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Biggest problem however is whether we have a day vig or not. Could the people who still havent commented on it do so? The sooner we know if the majority of the town agrees with the plan the sooner we can focus on who to kill/lynch. | ||
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In the past few games we've been less reliant on blue roles and won, you want to abuse PMs and the assumption we have such roles to win, this is just going backwards. The fact that you came up with a plan is fine, but you need to come to the realization it is in most cases unrealistic. Are you against it because you are against relying on blue roles, or because of the setup? | ||
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Are you against the plan because it is relying on blue roles, or because of the setup? | ||
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I like syllogism's post above me though, a shot tomorrow is more likely to hit mafia. | ||
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Regarding the plan i don't think we have a majority for using a vigi shot day one, so vigi shouldn't claim just yet. | ||
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 I guess thats a good thing. | ||
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The purpose of the question is to figure out if mafia can fake a vigi+veteran combo, be considered confirmed town, and proceed to abuse the suggested plan. It's good thinking and doesn't say anything of his alignment as such. The problem is he asks the question, and then keeps it's significance to himself. As I see it a townie who got the idea would proceed to warn the town about it, not keep it to himself. | ||
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#Vote JeeJee | ||
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On August 04 2011 09:27 redFF wrote: why medic on mig? A medic on ON or DrH is wayy better. Mig was the one starting the case on varpulis, posting the initial analysis and pressuring him through the day. I consider ON and DrH town as well though. As a side note Trotske is most likely town based on Varpulis' FoS. I wouldn't DT check JeeJee or BC, if mafia they are most likely to be the godfather. | ||
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On August 04 2011 10:06 redFF wrote: For all we know Varp knew he was getting lynched so decided to attack trotske and they could be both scum? Also please read the thread gf is random. He posted the FoS before there was a case against him, it was one of the cardinal points in the initial analysis. Please read thread? And yeah I know it says random, but every host messes around with the rolls for balance. | ||
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For today I'd prefer to lynch out one of JeeJee and chaos13, simply because I don't think every single scum banded on the varp lynch. JeeJee and chaos13 where both on the Drazerk wagon, which was the most obvious attempt of a vote switch to save varp. BC was on Drazerk as well, but his posting comes across a lot more town like for me. I agree with BC's case that JeeJee has failed to take hard stances, he has been defending players instead of pressuring, and now he downplay his ability as town. chaos13 kept seemingly refusing to place his vote on varp, until he suddenly realised Drazerk's meta didn't fit his scum play. It took him 48 minutes to change his mind. For now, ##Vote JeeJee | ||
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On August 01 2011 09:48 Kurumi wrote: Three Legged Electrosapper Robot You're newly created abomination of RED. Thanks to all improvements, You can defy all laws of normal game, thus making classes useless! Roleblocker, roleblocks during the night, duh! Every class is notified about roleblock! Cancels Heavy's life! BLU Medic Archimedies and You are the greatest doctor team of all! Thanks to Your amazing ZE inventions You can bring Your teamnates from the worst injury! Just a Medic. Chooses to protect one person every night, thus giving "additional" life for that night. Player, if hit will be notified of protect, Medic won't. | ||
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On August 06 2011 04:51 Sevryn wrote: I'm sorry I'm catching up on the thread how am I connected to these people? Sevrin the problem is you are the most invisible poster in the thread, I can't remember anything of your stances or posts, neither good or bad. If you are town you should try and be more active and involved. For an example you could look into YM and chaos13? | ||
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On August 07 2011 01:19 Barundar wrote: Munk-E is in danger of getting modkilled. Everyone else is fine. Scratch that. Lucidity haven't voted. redFF's vote is not counted in Kurumi's vote count either. Maybe repost it with bold? | ||
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. Looks like we got this game in the bag. | ||
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On August 07 2011 06:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i dont wanna defend myself too much but can i just say that when people were casting all kinds of doubt on the varp lynch and calling it bad (jeejee immediately saying there was no reason for it on day 2) i was the one who really pushed it in irc. it was large parts a gut read but my feeling was strong. there was a golden opportunity to switch onto drazerk or lucidity on day 1 and knowing my ability to get town to stupidly follow whatever i say, if i were scum i guarantee varpulis would not have been lynched on the first day lol I felt like an idiot for not voting varp, but at least I got my vote on gf ^^ | ||
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On August 07 2011 06:28 TheAwesomeAll wrote: i voted on jeejee before it was cool :3 hipster TAA | ||
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webirc seems down for me. | ||
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On August 08 2011 05:59 Lucidity wrote: YM would have been the safer lynch after Munk-E claimed Vet. But town will get cocky with 2 scum lynches in a row. That lynch proved that one of the other Vet claims in the Mig group is false though. If anything it proved that it's quite likely we have a bunch of vets. Just stick to lynching based on analysis, thats how Varp and JeeJee died... | ||
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On August 08 2011 08:42 redFF wrote: Yup so here's a question. If Munk-e was scum for claiming vet and it was unreasonable there were 5 vets when munk-e was alive. How come now hes dead and flipped vet are we not looking at the other claimed vets. And before you say they counterclaimed jeejee, no they didnt. Jeejee claimed medic, not vet. So from a mafia perspective claiming vet/medic would have been fine. I'd like to ask that we dont majority lynch again, as it leaves us with very little vote discussion. This game is not as won as some of you may think. Let's have a look: DrH: Pushed varp then godfather. Claimed hit last night. BC: Voted for godfather day 1. Claims roleblock last night. Mig: Lead the varp lynch. Claims hit night 1. Syllogism: Has clearly been working closely with Mig day 1. Has been pushing for both Varp and JeeJee. I trust Mig's judgement on this one. How is any of them not confirmed? Then we have lucid claiming. He is by no means confirmed, but the timing of his claim makes no sense from a scum perspective. If he just learned about Munk-E being vet, claiming vet himself would be the stupidest thing to do. It's way more likely that he just saw a problem with the logic that let to the Munk-E lynch, aka: 5 vets is stupid, lynch liar lol. Anyway mafia can kill anyone they want tonight with roleblock + kp combo. Mig I hope you give all information to one of the other confirmed towns. YM+chaos13 still seems by far the most likely scum combo. | ||
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1) chaos13: Kept saying varp is scummy, but refused to throw down a vote on him and soft pushed Drazerk instead. Pushed for Munk-E lynch before YM before this flip. 2) YM: Silly Mig push after Mig post varp analysis. Silly TAA push after 2-3 votes stack on JeeJee. Post about DT checking godfather and killing BC + "when DT check returned green". That's the short version of it. | ||
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Whos your suspects chaos and why? | ||
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I still think we are dealing with a relatively inexperienced mafia team. Hitting Troske and redFF, roleblocking kenpachi, not roleblocking their target points toward newer players. My suspect list: Sevryn: Invisible poster, who has failed to give mafia/town reads but pops up after day post. Called out but continued to be invisible. Has connection to Troske. chaos13: His day 1 play is the most incriminating part about him, he changed opinion between varp and drazerk in around 45 minutes based on meta analysis. Up untill that point he found both scummy, but he would just rather vote for dazerk. Lucidity: Scum didn't try to push his lynch day 1 when varp was under fire, claims veteran but insist one of the other veterans has to be fake claiming. At the moment I'm leaning lucidity. | ||
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Lynching just because of assumptions as to the setup is silly. Yes when we have 4 veteran claim, the 1 medic claim seems fake, because it's out of place. But remember when Munk-E got lynched for claiming vet as well? He actually was vet. We don't know the number of power roles in the setup, we know that mafia has 2 roleblockers and a godfather, it's entirely possible that we have more than the standard four powerroles, specially since mafia has all the tools they need to completely nulify them (2 roleblockers from start). The case against Syllogism is mainly based on him being extremely inactive in thread, and that he would be the last of the vets to get lynched. But what has he actually done that is anti town? He has voted Varp and was one of the first on JeeJee day 2. He has argued for mass claim to Mig, which like it or not netted at least one scum (JeeJee). How is that anti town, compared to an inactive like Sevryn? | ||
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First of all I don't think BC is scum. He pushed the JeeJee lynch and was part of the town circle. Also he has appeared town in the conversations I've had with him. That said, I think he was/is wrong on syllo being mafia (not sure if you still think this?). Second of all we have to prepare for a potential lylo. That means getting rid of people we don't have a read on. And while I agree Kenpachi is a lurker who can be hard to read, Sevryn has simply been lurking more hardcore this game. On top of that sevryn sheeped after BC on to Drazerk day one like chaos13 and JeeJee - in fact he didn't even comment on the varp case at all. | ||
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On August 11 2011 08:15 Lucidity wrote: So we're accepting that there are 6 Vets now?? It's silly to lynch solely based on guesses as to the setup. We now know there are at least 5 vets, but Munk-E got lynched because no one thought that was a possibility. If we lynch BC is it because of his actions yesterday, not his claim. | ||
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On August 11 2011 17:46 syllogism wrote: Oh and regarding sevryn; I've a hard time believing they were desperate enough to save varpulis to have 3 of their own vote in a block on a lynch candidate that didn't really have meaningful support from town Just wanna point out this is wifom and goes for BC as well. | ||
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Kenpachi was the first to break the wave of votes going on to syllogism yesterday and vote chaos13 instead. While I agree he is also unreadable and should be killed off before lylo, I think sevryn is way scummier. | ||
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On August 12 2011 17:18 syllogism wrote: This town is starting to really tilt me. Lynch kenpachi. Lucidity is a ridiculously bad lynch. Why would mafia claim vet when there were 5 vet claims and we were about to lynch one (munk-e)? If you say WIFOM, I'll strangle you; some actions in mafia are always more likely than others. The only question is whether we can accurately estimate which is more probable. In this case it's trivial; lucidity is almost certainly town and a vet. Kenpachi voted chaos13 yesterday when there was a wagon forming on you. Lucid never vote, and was complaining at votes stacking up on chaos13. Sorry but that seems like the best lynch today for me. | ||
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Hammer'd. | ||
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