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On August 08 2011 16:19 Barundar wrote:
1) chaos13: Kept saying varp is scummy, but refused to throw down a vote on him and soft pushed Drazerk instead. Pushed for Munk-E lynch before YM before this flip.
That's the short version of it.
I forgot to post it in the voting thread D:
Can you explain from a scum perspective why a mafia would "refuse" to vote on their scum buddy when they stated in the thread that they were going to and said scumbuddy was going to be lynched anyway?
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I can see plenty of reasons why saying it would be more important than doing the actual vote.
Whos your suspects chaos and why?
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YM for the same reasons that everyone else has stated multiple times.
Curu because he is flying way under the radar, and getting by without actually contributing much (anything) in the way of analysis and scumhunting. If you do a filter on his posts and read through them all you'll see what I mean.
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A Danishman and a Canadian walk into a bar...
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On August 08 2011 22:05 Ace wrote: A Danishman and a Canadian walk into a bar...
Go on....
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On August 08 2011 08:19 redFF wrote: Mig i would like your reasoning to treating syllo as telling the truth and munk-e as lying scum.
3 things
1) I claimed vet to syllo before n1. So he could have rbd and killed me but instead I was just shot.
2) he knew about the fake plan and it succeeded.
3) he knew about all the vet claims before JeeJee claimed. So he would have warned JeeJee not to claim medic most likely.
Do any of these things 100% prove syllo is town? No. But combined the odds that he did all 3 as scum are very very low.
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DrH did tell me that he told YM that he was a vet day 1. So that confuses things a bit. He may have believed Doc was just lying to him tho, I can't say for sure.
Either way YM is still a good candidate but Chaos/lucid are both very good candidates as well.
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On August 08 2011 21:17 chaos13 wrote: YM for the same reasons that everyone else has stated multiple times.
Curu because he is flying way under the radar, and getting by without actually contributing much (anything) in the way of analysis and scumhunting. If you do a filter on his posts and read through them all you'll see what I mean.
I've been mostly discussing everything on Skype with Mig.
You're calling someone else for not contributing? Seriously? Why don't you go filter your own posts?
Mig suspects me because a few hours before the Varp lynch I asked him how he feels about switching to JeeJee instead. Obviously this made me look terrible after Varp flipped, but not as bad now that JeeJee has flipped too.
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On August 09 2011 00:44 Mig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 08:19 redFF wrote: Mig i would like your reasoning to treating syllo as telling the truth and munk-e as lying scum. 3 things 1) I claimed vet to syllo before n1. So he could have rbd and killed me but instead I was just shot. 2) he knew about the fake plan and it succeeded. 3) he knew about all the vet claims before JeeJee claimed. So he would have warned JeeJee not to claim medic most likely. Do any of these things 100% prove syllo is town? No. But combined the odds that he did all 3 as scum are very very low.
On August 09 2011 00:47 Mig wrote: DrH did tell me that he told YM that he was a vet day 1. So that confuses things a bit. He may have believed Doc was just lying to him tho, I can't say for sure.
Either way YM is still a good candidate but Chaos/lucid are both very good candidates as well. So they both knew about the fakeplan, and it succeeded. K thanks, more stuff on ym please this aint enough.
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YM didn't know about the fake plan I believe. YM only knew that DrH had told him that he was a vet day 1. I told drh to tell YM that he was lying about the vet to protect himself as a medic if he was questioned. So YM could have still thought DrH was just lying to him.
Syllo on the other hand knew completely about the fake plan and what everyone's role's were.
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But ym had still been told drh was a vet.
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So youngminii, why were you super active in thread and IRC, unafraid to push your reads and convictions, but then once Varp/JeeJee died and your super scumslip got pointed out why have you completely disappeared off the face of the Earth?
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Also as Mig pointed out to me youngminii was fiercely pushing a lynch all liars policy (has he ever been known to be firmly behind a policy lynch before...) while JeeJee was getting hanged.
He wanted a policy lynch (already very unusual for him) when there was a practically guaranteed scum in our sights.
He didn't contribute a single thing on JeeJee besides fiercely defending him (and his defense was: DT check him he'll return Town -> JeeJee Godfather). Even from the start of night 1 he was asking DTs to check JeeJee and Vigs to leave him alone.
I don't see a better scum candidate than youngminii at this point.
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Yea YM is probably best I had forgotten the IRC TAA push. It is really unlike YM to try and push for a policy lynch, and it is horrible play day 2 after we have just lynched a scum.
So kill YM kill chaos kill lucid.
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Actually put me at the front of that queue, as the only way I'm going to be listened to is if I'm dead.
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So what's your analysis Lucid? Kill all of the Vets 1 by 1 even though they all look decently Town?
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Feel free to actually make a case against someone lucid. The only large analysis I have seen you do all game have been against Munk-e and Redff (town and likely town). You have argued about game mechanics 3 days into the game and repeatedly tried to cast doubt on me and the other people who are likely town. You repeatedly state one of the other Vet claims is lying but when we ask you which one you say you have no clue lol. You didn't claim vet to me until we were already onto day 3 lol because apparently I might have been running some insane master scum plan so you couldn't trust me. You bandwagoned onto varp and you have contributed nothing this entire game to help the town. And by claiming Vet now instead of after n1 when everyone else did (when it should have been insanely obvious I was town 99%+) you have managed to muddle everything and bring even more suspicion onto yourself.
Basically everything you have done this game has been scummy and has hurt the town lucid. So prove me wrong by actually providing some analysis of who is the scummiest or which of the other Vet claims is lying.
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The problem with the vets is that even if they're not vets, they aren't necessarily mafia. It might be pointless to lynch through them. I'm thinking Lucid looks very fishy, but I still support the YM lynch come day.
On another note, where did Drazerk disappear to?
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