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OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
August 07 2011 22:51 GMT
#841
On August 08 2011 07:31 Munk-E wrote:
Oh wtf! You guys lynch me in a half hour before i even get to claim?

W/e we still win.


You claimed to mig.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
August 07 2011 23:16 GMT
#842
Sorry how is syllogism confirmed veteran? For all we know he could be lying about it.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
August 07 2011 23:19 GMT
#843
AHAHAA WAIT MUNKE WAS A VET? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
August 07 2011 23:19 GMT
#844
Mig i would like your reasoning to treating syllo as telling the truth and munk-e as lying scum.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
August 07 2011 23:42 GMT
#845
Yup so here's a question. If Munk-e was scum for claiming vet and it was unreasonable there were 5 vets when munk-e was alive. How come now hes dead and flipped vet are we not looking at the other claimed vets. And before you say they counterclaimed jeejee, no they didnt. Jeejee claimed medic, not vet. So from a mafia perspective claiming vet/medic would have been fine. I'd like to ask that we dont majority lynch again, as it leaves us with very little vote discussion. This game is not as won as some of you may think.
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 07 2011 23:46 GMT
#846
On August 08 2011 08:42 redFF wrote:
Yup so here's a question. If Munk-e was scum for claiming vet and it was unreasonable there were 5 vets when munk-e was alive. How come now hes dead and flipped vet are we not looking at the other claimed vets. And before you say they counterclaimed jeejee, no they didnt. Jeejee claimed medic, not vet. So from a mafia perspective claiming vet/medic would have been fine. I'd like to ask that we dont majority lynch again, as it leaves us with very little vote discussion. This game is not as won as some of you may think.


I agree with red here. What's the reason for Syllo being confirmed Vet?
But whatevs, it's night. Let's see what happens.
darkness overpowering
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
August 07 2011 23:51 GMT
#847
On August 02 2011 21:04 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2011 09:20 chaos13 wrote:
DrH has the right idea here. Yes, confirmed townies are excellent. However, mafia can easily fake claim a role like medic or vig, and then we would need to waste our DT checks in order to confirm those claims. Not only that, but we have no idea who the day vig actually is. If it's in the hands of a weaker player, that could lead to complete and utter disaster. Having one player coordinate all the actions of the blues is never a good thing. There is far too much room for error in such a situation, especially since mafia are able to PM and influence the game as well. Ultimately, however, it is up to the individuals with the roles to decide what to do. Discussion about this is very good, but I would rather not waste all day with it. Just something to keep in mind if we're still arguing about it in 24 hours.

Vigis, because there are probably a lot of you in here: Do not shoot unless it is at confirmed scum. If you feel you must shoot anyway, take out lurkers and liars. This sort of common sense is all too often ignored, and results in dead town. Even take DT claims with a grain of salt. If analysis points to a player being town when a claimed check has shown red, proceed with caution. It could be a miller or a scum's fake claim in order to waste a vig shot, especially if the claimed DT player has been under suspicion.

No one is confirmed scum until they flip. You even go on to say red checks can be millers or the DT fake claiming; vigs should be shooting at people they believe are likely scum. Overall I'm not a huge fan of this post as you joined the anti-sandroba plan wagon quite late, you cover all the angles without really taking a strong position and the part about DTs fake claiming feels a bit forced.

On August 08 2011 03:51 syllogism wrote:
Not much to add. 5 vets would be absurd even with 2 RBs

##vote Munk-E

So then one of the remaining claimed vets is scum then right?
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
August 07 2011 23:52 GMT
#848
Has anyone claimed being blocked today?
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
August 08 2011 00:03 GMT
#849
On August 08 2011 05:37 OriginalName wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 05:36 Barundar wrote:
Lulz. Can we lynch YM?


yes.

YEAH FO'SURE LETS MISLYNCH AGAIN.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
August 08 2011 00:07 GMT
#850
we shouldnt majority lynch tommorow, we should go back to regular lynches and here analysis and cases instead of retardedly lynching ppl off of "scumslips"
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 08 2011 00:10 GMT
#851
On August 08 2011 08:52 redFF wrote:
Has anyone claimed being blocked today?


Yeah, BC has claimed roleblocked.
darkness overpowering
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
August 08 2011 03:07 GMT
#852
wtf is going on here.

So we unexpectedly have majority lynch and a shortened phase and Munk flipped vet? Well then we really need to start looking at those other vet claims
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
August 08 2011 03:32 GMT
#853
On August 08 2011 12:07 chaos13 wrote:
wtf is going on here.

So we unexpectedly have majority lynch and a shortened phase and Munk flipped vet? Well then we really need to start looking at those other vet claims

I feel like this is some weird medic/vig/dtless setup, with just a bunch of vets. Continue lynching based on post analysis, town outnumbers mafia so greatly that we can afford to do that. If we hit a dead end, come back to the mig circle (mig/me/bc/syllo) and start doing some digging.
RIP Aaliyah
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
August 08 2011 03:45 GMT
#854
On August 08 2011 12:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 12:07 chaos13 wrote:
wtf is going on here.

So we unexpectedly have majority lynch and a shortened phase and Munk flipped vet? Well then we really need to start looking at those other vet claims

I feel like this is some weird medic/vig/dtless setup, with just a bunch of vets. Continue lynching based on post analysis, town outnumbers mafia so greatly that we can afford to do that. If we hit a dead end, come back to the mig circle (mig/me/bc/syllo) and start doing some digging.

I agree, lets have some ym/chaos13/lucid/whoever you think is scum analysis people.
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
August 08 2011 04:18 GMT
#855
pretty funny

i'll just say i already know drh is a vet so i knew mig was lying about the medic claims
drh should be able to support this but he doesn't seem to remember much so idk

either way i don't care if you kill me since i've been nothing but useless to town
i still stand by taa/bc being scummy as fuck
lalala
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
August 08 2011 04:21 GMT
#856
basically on day 1 or sometime early on irc he pm'd and it went something like:

drh: are you medic
me: lol no wtf i'm vt
[long miscommunicated conversation because drh thought i meant VET and not Vanilla Townie but it gets cleared up]
me: you must be a vet, huh, there's no reason for you to rolefish medic from me unless you wanted to try and 'trap' me into thinking you were an important blue role
drh: yep, i'm vet
[blahblahblah]

so basically i would never have hit drh
lalala
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
August 08 2011 07:08 GMT
#857
On August 08 2011 08:42 redFF wrote:
Yup so here's a question. If Munk-e was scum for claiming vet and it was unreasonable there were 5 vets when munk-e was alive. How come now hes dead and flipped vet are we not looking at the other claimed vets. And before you say they counterclaimed jeejee, no they didnt. Jeejee claimed medic, not vet. So from a mafia perspective claiming vet/medic would have been fine. I'd like to ask that we dont majority lynch again, as it leaves us with very little vote discussion. This game is not as won as some of you may think.

Let's have a look:

DrH: Pushed varp then godfather. Claimed hit last night.
BC: Voted for godfather day 1. Claims roleblock last night.
Mig: Lead the varp lynch. Claims hit night 1.
Syllogism: Has clearly been working closely with Mig day 1. Has been pushing for both Varp and JeeJee. I trust Mig's judgement on this one.

How is any of them not confirmed?

Then we have lucid claiming. He is by no means confirmed, but the timing of his claim makes no sense from a scum perspective. If he just learned about Munk-E being vet, claiming vet himself would be the stupidest thing to do. It's way more likely that he just saw a problem with the logic that let to the Munk-E lynch, aka: 5 vets is stupid, lynch liar lol.

Anyway mafia can kill anyone they want tonight with roleblock + kp combo. Mig I hope you give all information to one of the other confirmed towns.

YM+chaos13 still seems by far the most likely scum combo.
Bartundar
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
August 08 2011 07:12 GMT
#858
On August 08 2011 16:08 Barundar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 08:42 redFF wrote:
Yup so here's a question. If Munk-e was scum for claiming vet and it was unreasonable there were 5 vets when munk-e was alive. How come now hes dead and flipped vet are we not looking at the other claimed vets. And before you say they counterclaimed jeejee, no they didnt. Jeejee claimed medic, not vet. So from a mafia perspective claiming vet/medic would have been fine. I'd like to ask that we dont majority lynch again, as it leaves us with very little vote discussion. This game is not as won as some of you may think.

Let's have a look:

DrH: Pushed varp then godfather. Claimed hit last night.
BC: Voted for godfather day 1. Claims roleblock last night.
Mig: Lead the varp lynch. Claims hit night 1.
Syllogism: Has clearly been working closely with Mig day 1. Has been pushing for both Varp and JeeJee. I trust Mig's judgement on this one.

How is any of them not confirmed?

Then we have lucid claiming. He is by no means confirmed, but the timing of his claim makes no sense from a scum perspective. If he just learned about Munk-E being vet, claiming vet himself would be the stupidest thing to do. It's way more likely that he just saw a problem with the logic that let to the Munk-E lynch, aka: 5 vets is stupid, lynch liar lol.

Anyway mafia can kill anyone they want tonight with roleblock + kp combo. Mig I hope you give all information to one of the other confirmed towns.

YM+chaos13 still seems by far the most likely scum combo.

Explain this statement!
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
August 08 2011 07:19 GMT
#859
On August 08 2011 16:12 redFF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 16:08 Barundar wrote:
On August 08 2011 08:42 redFF wrote:
Yup so here's a question. If Munk-e was scum for claiming vet and it was unreasonable there were 5 vets when munk-e was alive. How come now hes dead and flipped vet are we not looking at the other claimed vets. And before you say they counterclaimed jeejee, no they didnt. Jeejee claimed medic, not vet. So from a mafia perspective claiming vet/medic would have been fine. I'd like to ask that we dont majority lynch again, as it leaves us with very little vote discussion. This game is not as won as some of you may think.

Let's have a look:

DrH: Pushed varp then godfather. Claimed hit last night.
BC: Voted for godfather day 1. Claims roleblock last night.
Mig: Lead the varp lynch. Claims hit night 1.
Syllogism: Has clearly been working closely with Mig day 1. Has been pushing for both Varp and JeeJee. I trust Mig's judgement on this one.

How is any of them not confirmed?

Then we have lucid claiming. He is by no means confirmed, but the timing of his claim makes no sense from a scum perspective. If he just learned about Munk-E being vet, claiming vet himself would be the stupidest thing to do. It's way more likely that he just saw a problem with the logic that let to the Munk-E lynch, aka: 5 vets is stupid, lynch liar lol.

Anyway mafia can kill anyone they want tonight with roleblock + kp combo. Mig I hope you give all information to one of the other confirmed towns.

YM+chaos13 still seems by far the most likely scum combo.

Explain this statement!

1) chaos13: Kept saying varp is scummy, but refused to throw down a vote on him and soft pushed Drazerk instead. Pushed for Munk-E lynch before YM before this flip.

2) YM: Silly Mig push after Mig post varp analysis. Silly TAA push after 2-3 votes stack on JeeJee. Post about DT checking godfather and killing BC + "when DT check returned green".

That's the short version of it.
Bartundar
Lucidity
Profile Joined July 2010
South Africa603 Posts
August 08 2011 09:43 GMT
#860
Scum, you're slow.
Valar Morghulis
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