EPTAs such, until he reappears to explain his actions I am throwing my vote there.
vote jeejee
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As such, until he reappears to explain his actions I am throwing my vote there. vote jeejee | ||
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Dt's should be looking at me/jeejee/drazerk/redff med should protect kenpachi (never thought i'd say this) / drh / mig / curu vigi's should shoot whoever they feel is red or opt to wait to use your hit. I am well aware that as of now people are looking at me, but until I have some solid posts to respond to, or day post comes up the bc you all know and hate will be behaving. | ||
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On August 03 2011 02:41 JeeJee wrote: it points out the fact that sandro's vote isn't a real vote. apparently not everybody realizes that pressure votes are a joke. i think both of those candidates are a stupid idea. red is being ragged on due to him opposing a tempting plan, but not one without faults. his concerns are legitimate. claiming over-defensiveness as a scum-tell is something i particularly dislike, having been lynched for it multiple times as a townie. further, the people pushing him are useless people like minii who just jump on the hate with zero reasoning whatsoever. the extent of minii's posts are as follows: Fin. varp is being ragged on due to wishy-washness. i just re-read his posts, and the tldr progression is as follows -vigi dont shoot on hunches -be active -no problems re dayvig plan -realizes its better to delay or outright not do the plan due to stacked hits -random fos on trotske i see re-evaluation there, not wishy-washiness. do you see otherwise? random fos are just as useless as pressure votes. sandro and varp are both bad in that department as far as i'm concerned. by itself though, it doesn't mean much, and there's nothing else yet. as for me, i don't have scum leanings on anyone. town leans yes, scum leans no. Note that rather than draw emphasis to the posts of those accusing varpulis, or any of varps posts he just sums the series of posts varp made up. I would normally say that this is a moot point, however he did opt to find it worth quoting posts in relation to redff. Why would you defend two people within one post but only bring attention to specific posts on one bandwagon? Possibly moot, but definitely not normal. His next post is 7 hours later saying Hi to drazerk. Followed by 3 hours later appearing to take off on a post that I had made an hour before his post. On August 03 2011 12:30 JeeJee wrote: looks like cobbles picked up on the same thing i have. what particularly irks me about drazerk today is that he has been posting in the other mafia thread on his usual time of 5-10kst +/-1hr so he has been reading this thread as well. but he declined to weigh in, leaving his vote as-is (essentially throwaway). didnt even answer a simple "how are you" =( usually when people say 'lurking is a scumtell', i disagree because they clump 'afk' and 'lurk' as interchangeable. afking means nothing as far as i'm concerned, just look at ace in snmm5. lurking (ie being there but not speaking) a la drazerk is a different story. still not voting, but i'll be here before the deadline tomorrow, no worries. This post is the first one that seriously tries to move a bandwagon away from varpulis. This is done by first using my name as a “backup” as well as using a lot of out of thread reasoning. He then refuses to vote as he will be around for the deadline. Moments later he makes a post saying screw it, and votes. Now, as someone who mentioned early in the thread he doesn’t believe in pressure voting, we know that this vote is meant to be solid “I believe this person is scum”. We also know that as of roughly 10 hours before he voted he had no scum leanings on any player. How is it that someone who has been moderately inactive much like himself, is suddenly sure of the guilt of another player when his reasoning is “inactivity in this thread but active outside of it” He couldn’t find anything in thread? Or in irc to help. He then spends the next bit of time after the lynch to accuse players of bad logic, spam, and refusal to even defend himself from general accusations. He attacks my accusation that I made of him by saying “I brought him up first” when all he had done previously was say “hi how are you” to drazerk. Overall he has had 17-18 posts all game where a fair majority of them have been spam or generally unhelpful / noncommittal. | ||
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On August 05 2011 09:19 JeeJee wrote: responses in bold/red. as for claims,i think it's a good idea. unless you just happen to have a reasonable explanation for the missing KP. hell, even if mig's mafia, he can't just kill off all blues and hope nobody notices -- and him dying would cut mafia kp in half. lucid/red are being unreasonable imo. yeah nothing is 100%, but it's much more likely mig being town than mafia I am glad that through all of this "defending" you still opt to not weigh in heavily on the current day. More to the point however you directly misread a section of what I posted against you. Note that rather than draw emphasis to the posts of those accusing varpulis, or any of varps posts he just sums the series of posts varp made up. I would normally say that this is a moot point, however he did opt to find it worth quoting posts in relation to redff. Why would you defend two people within one post but only bring attention to specific posts on one bandwagon? Possibly moot, but definitely not normal. minii was hating on red, not varp. if he were hating on varp, i'd have put him in the varp category. it doesn't matter who he is hating when the hate is ill-founded given that he hasn't provided any reasons for it I had already implied the minii bit was in reference to red. The issue was that you were using posts to defend red whereas you were not using any to defend varp. It shows a "weak" and almost unmemorable defense of a mafia roleblocker. As for your vote of drazerk. Is he lurking and inactive? yes. However, taking the opportunity to jump and appear to try and start a bandwagon when you yourself have also been fairly lurky and inactive is well odd. You then rather than actually give reasonable responses to most people questioning you at that period you opt to do small posts that provide next to nothing. Not only that, but you appear frequently enough to "comment" on the goings on of the thread but you never leave a lasting mark on anything. The posts are very neutral and if someone wasn't looking at you they were be unmemorable. You are a much better player than this and as such should be more active or at least much more contributing than you are now. | ||
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On August 05 2011 10:21 youngminii wrote: To clarify: TAA and BC spent Day 1 trying to focus fire on JeeJee. TAA either lied or something went horribly wrong in the night actions. BC is now trying to focus fire on JeeJee as he was one of the people being looked at yesterday. Here is what's likely: If TAA flips red, JeeJee should be green. BC is more likely red than green. If JeeJee flips green, BC and TAA are both motherfucking red. If BC flips red, JeeJee should be green. TAA is more likely red than green. In other words, kill TAA/BC. If you are the DT and you checked JeeJee who turned out green, claim to Mig right away who should then post this in the thread, whereupon we lynch TAA/BC. I love that by "trying to focus fire on jeejee day 1" was actually very late into the day. Misconstrued evidence. You also neglect to mention If BC is green it is more than likely Jeejee is red and taa is likely green Or if TAA is green it is more than likely jeejee is red and BC is more than likely green Or if JeeJee flips red, TAA and BC are more than likely green. I love that you purposely miss scenarios that are actually relevant to the argument you are trying to make. Killing JeeJee would almost fully clear or damn two players where as killing myself or TAA doesnt fully reveal the alignment of the other two players. | ||
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On August 05 2011 10:31 youngminii wrote: Very late into the day is still during the day. Stop throwing around words to make my argument appear weaker. It still happened and you guys still tried to protect Varp. You are absolutely aware that lynching for information comes AFTER lynching for scum. You and TAA are very likely scum in my eyes, why should I go after the information route? You are scum and you are purposely trying to weaken my argument. I am not purposely trying to weaken your argument, its just weak. To make a fully logical argument to prove someone is scum, especially in an instance your using possible scenarios, you must account for all possible variables. Hell even if you don't at least attempt to. You clearly ignored the possibility of jeejee being scum. Why are you so sure that he is town whereas myself and taa are scum? You have yet to prove this. You have opted to use the "taa is scum because he did this, whereas bc pushed for jeejee so he must be red" You have not posted analysis that damns me in any way, you are instead linking me to taa who you strongly believe is red. Make a serious case against me instead of wifoming or your argument is weak and lackluster. If you have some serious convictions against me push it. This isn't "i believe so and so is red so kill him" without proof or solid analysis your proposing a lynch based on nothing but a gut read. | ||
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On August 05 2011 10:34 JeeJee wrote: are you being serious right now? the current day is three hours old. again, you are misinterpreting what i said in the precise manner that i said you would. lurking isn't scummy if you clump afking and lurking as the same thing. i already said this yet you're doing it anyway? lurking by its intended definition is scummy. realize the difference between hiding and not being there. it's the same as the difference between lurking and afking. i never lurked. you insinuating that i did is laughable. as for your last words, thanks but i don't deserve the rep i seem to have around here. every single game i played this year (except where i subbed in ccm) i have been mafia, where it's very easy to run along with the herd, half-hiding and never calling out anyone, and nobody notices. even if you fuck up, you have teammates to cover you. it takes no skill (imho). being townie is a whole other ballgame and i'm doing my best. i guess you don't remember the games where i was townie since they were so long ago, but i routinely got lynched in them =\ hopefully it wont happen here So you just outlined the things you that you do while as red yet you are continuing the same line of play? How is that intelligent? Trying your best does not mean do what you did as red. You're not analyzing anyone, your barely posting, and your not committing to your ideas or even sharing them. Now that is mean of me to say, you have posted some, but not in any convincing way at all. I put lurking and afking in the same category because both are anti town behaviour. Neither benefits the town and provide areas mafia can hide in. Of afking and lurking mafia are more likely as of late to lurk as they can appear when needed but be gone and almost invisible otherwise. However you are barely doing or saying anything to defend yourself aside from now using meta arguments? If you are town then prove it. Step up and be town. | ||
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Last night, the primary people on irc to talk about any suspects were myself, curu, ghrur, ON, and Lucidity. thats 5 of 13 players. After much discussion last night the group of us centered on one of chaos13/taa for one red, and that one red was most likely hiding in the vets. That would leave one of syllo/me/drh/lucidity as a potential. Of the 4 people with suspicion thrown on them, we have syllo/taa/chaos/drH. Of them, syllo and taa both appear. Syllo comes back to talk very generally without strongly standing on anything, and taa has started pushing multiple people as suspects, never staying on one long enough. He has also misread some posts. Both of them have been very wishy washy on irc and aside from agreeing that I am scum along with chaos13 have flip flopped on who to lynch. Syllo has not even attempted to do any serious analysis and Taa keeps jumping from targets like he can't make up his mind. Factor in that of chaos13 he has basically given up, he appeared to days ago. He has been completely inactive on irc and in thread. EVERYONE has accused him and has 0 defense. Typically this happens when its a townie and mafia are content to let him die. As such I am less inclined to believe he is scum as YM who was playing very similar flipped town. As such I would like to not off him today. Obviously this makes me look insanely terrible should he flip mafia as such I will take the accountability of this. Instead I would say we should lynch one of TAA or syllogism. As both syllo and myself are in the vet list, and the overwhelming majority believes that one of the vet claimers is red. I propose a 1-1 trade. If syllo flips town I die the next day. I am banking on him being the red within the group. Now before anyone asks "why syllo". If you look at the situation we had before analyzing deeper into the vet claims and just took 1 of the vets is red. We had 5 vets (before mig died) Lucidity, myself, drh syllo and mig. Mig has died and revealed he was a vet. So we have 4 left, and 2 dead confirmed ones. If you lynched through the order of the vets, lucidity > me > drh > or = syllo. Regardless of the situation, he would die last or second last of the vets provided no red appeared before him. If we lynched through the vets and cleared out actual vets like I believe would happen, he would ultimately win the game. This got me thinking however. How is it that he was the most confirmed of the vet claims when he has yet to commit to anything solidly during the course of the game? He has lurked, barely participated in discussions outside of pm's with mig and has talked very generally about almost everything. He has left no real lasting mark yet is confirmed. His main reason for this was "mig told me he was vet day 1 and he didnt die. If I was mafia why would I shoot him instead of rb and shoot him" which is wifom. He has done absolutely nothing but follow the pack and talk to mig. As such I ask the town to lynch him first. If you disagree with this, then off me first. Regardless, the following lynches should be him and me. Ignore everyone else until we both flip. ##vote syllogism | ||
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On August 10 2011 18:00 syllogism wrote: Some do, the most important one doesn't, and I didn't spend whole day attempting to deflect the lynch from mafia. Unless I've completely overestimated BC, his town play can't be this awful. He has been against two of the mafia lynches so far and pretty much concluded that chaos13 can't be mafia because he has been lurking and not defending himself or something. I actually figured he was unlikely red for the same reasons ym/redff flipped town, but hey everyone screwed up. As for saying I've been against two mafia lynches, I voted for a confirmed mafia 2 days running. So I was actually for a mafia lynch 2 days running. However, until you and I both flip the point is moot. If you flip red then I voted for a red 3 lynches in a row like everyone else. regardless due to his flip I know I shall be the first to die, my role will flip and you will shortly follow. No biggy. | ||
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On August 12 2011 00:25 syllogism wrote: If the mafia was gullible enough to believe that BC and DrH are medics, they had to take them out before their rb dies or autolose. Roleblocking one and shooting the other makes perfect sense in that situation; indeed, the whole plan was to get them to waste their shot like that. Of course it's possible that they wasted a shot intentionally to gain town cred, but I don't think we can read too much into that either way. Why not read into that? That is exactly what I would have done as mafia, it is something drH would at least consider. Factor in how you were "confirmed' day 1, its also plausible for you to pull off as well. I know based on my actions the previous day I am fucked. HOWEVER. If you start lynching into the vet list once you do not stop at me. When I flip vet you don't stop, syllo and drH must follow. IF both of them flip town you would lynch lucidity then move onto ON. Provided no better analysis appears. I have no issues with how you guys opt to start lynching be it inactives or into the vet list, however if you start with 1 you finish it before moving on. However what baffles me the most is the longer you wait to clear out the vet list the more likely you will sit at lylo in a situation you don't know who is red and who isn't. The general fact people are discussing killing inactives before offing the vets screams to me that the mafia does not want you lynching there, trying to put it off. I could be horribly wrong, but regardless, if you start with vets you finish clearing them before moving into inactives, regardless of how much that scares you to have people left that you don't want there. | ||
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