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On July 25 2011 22:29 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Anybody who isn't voting for Jackal is a moron. Anybody who wants to discuss the possibility of him being an SK instead of scum is also a moron. You're just debating Apples and Oranges. He is NOT pro-town. Voting Kitaman gives us nothing. Voting Jackal gets rid of the deathy hallows shit.
By the way this has been going the following people are getting FoSed for ignoring Jackals lie, and more importantly going against the LAL policy:
-Sandroba
-syllogism
-Dropbear
Don't be stupid. A liar is in our midst. He is our best lynch candidate. DO NOT SPARE HIM FOR A "vigi hit." For all we know scum have a medic. Also if he is scum and he is a mason that makes him really dangerous. Guess who he's going to mason night 1? Probably the Mole. You guys want another mafia getting converted?
Is the lie you are referring to the part where his role PM suggests Voldemort isn't town? Because ON left out the part where his role PM says he is on a mission to kill Harry
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10465120
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10464768
What is the motivation for either lie? Why is deconduo saying there's no collaboration ("as far as he knows"; word games?) when there obviously is, unless they were both lying and ON's flip was faked
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On July 25 2011 22:36 Palmar wrote:
What the hell syllo, is your theory now that deconduo is bastard modding?
Jackal posted his role PM and then ON stated his role PM is almost identical. Then we saw ON's flip, so if it's not fake that pretty much confirms both of the players have almost identical roles. That is collaboration or there is a role that can send people fake roles or something absurd.
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But then having these wands and cloaks around wouldn't make sense, so I'm lost
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Decon claims all the roles were created by players and it would take basically a complete rewrite of one of the roles to come up with virtually identical Potter/Voldemort roles
All roles were made by players. Myself and Eiii added flavour to some. We changed the name of one role. Apart from minor balance changes, all roles are pretty much the same as they were sent to us
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On July 25 2011 23:25 Tackster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 23:23 syllogism wrote:Decon claims all the roles were created by players and it would take basically a complete rewrite of one of the roles to come up with virtually identical Potter/Voldemort roles All roles were made by players. Myself and Eiii added flavour to some. We changed the name of one role. Apart from minor balance changes, all roles are pretty much the same as they were sent to us hence they just duplicated a role rather than modified an existing one
Right, that makes sense
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On July 25 2011 23:28 Tackster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 23:27 syllogism wrote:On July 25 2011 23:25 Tackster wrote:On July 25 2011 23:23 syllogism wrote:Decon claims all the roles were created by players and it would take basically a complete rewrite of one of the roles to come up with virtually identical Potter/Voldemort roles All roles were made by players. Myself and Eiii added flavour to some. We changed the name of one role. Apart from minor balance changes, all roles are pretty much the same as they were sent to us hence they just duplicated a role rather than modified an existing one Right, that makes sense Well in that case I think the matter should be closed. Syllo while we're chatting can you give me your opinions on my FoSes?
My vote is already on Kita so not going to elaborate on that again. YM's actions make perfect sense for mafia as I already noted earlier, but I'm not quite seeing the same when I look at his post history. Heist's post history is fluff and him pushing for jackal lynch, which is something consider a mafia objective. However once again the post explaining his logic doesn't appear scummy, despite the logic being flawed.
Kita is still currently my pick out of the three.
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Newsflash to vigs: days have 48 hours and even if you are somehow a compulsive day vig, there is no reason to shoot early and when there has been little to no discussion about the target
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On July 26 2011 00:21 Jackal58 wrote:
If you guys don't see that for what it was you're blind. That was no Vig shot. That was scum shooting, not town.
Unless the idea was to somehow make your lynch more likely, that doesn't make sense to me. YM was a suspect and his role wasn't that powerful considering he already used one of his one shot abilities
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On July 26 2011 00:23 Tackster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 00:15 syllogism wrote:
Newsflash to vigs: days have 48 hours and even if you are somehow a compulsive day vig, there is no reason to shoot early and when there has been little to no discussion about the target ^ | | | THISp.s. Why syllogism? I'd probably have picked tautology...
Hey, no need to make fun of my English. It's a bad habit when writing online and in a hurry
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For some reason I thought YM had a role and not an alignment check, then it makes sense as a scum hit
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I'm more disgusted by the day vig who apparently shot and ran
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That was my guess by the way
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On July 26 2011 01:44 chaos13 wrote:
lmao. So that obviously means that Tack killed YM. But why? That just doesn't make sense to me. If they wanted him dead it probably would have been easy for the mafia to push for a lynch on him.
He had to use his ability today as his role changes daily
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On July 26 2011 01:49 sandroba wrote:
Man, either trackester really didn't think things through or super is also mafia. The result of him using his day kill should be obvious, and supersoft not inta-killing him after he got framed really makes me wonder. However he's a DT so let's keep him around a bit longer.
They would have never sacrified Tackster like that and Dropbear would have had to lie about supersoft's role as well then
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On July 26 2011 01:57 sandroba wrote:
Not really. Assuming DB is town, which I think he is, they couldn't be certain that he would reveal who got the Tim role. supersoft was basically cornered into shooting whoever shot YM, to prove he wasn't lying. Maybe they indeed did not think things through, but a more plausible explanation is that they are both mafia. It's not certain, but it explains things better than "mafia is dumb". It's worth keeping him around for DT checks anyway. If he's not mafia he's going to get shot eventually or confirm half the town.
Perhaps Tackster didn't think the role name would be displayed like that and thus the real Tim Roth wouldn't realize to do that. Tackster's role is much better for mafia than Supersoft's; just letting supersoft die would be by far the better option. Tackster is also a veteran while supersoft is a newer player.
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Someone lied about Supersoft's role though
Supersoft:This action will blow your cover and this will cause your alignment and role abilities to be revealed to the mafia
Dropbear:His kill causes his alignment and role abilities to be PMd to everyone of the opposite alignment to him
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On July 26 2011 02:12 chaos13 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 02:09 syllogism wrote:Someone lied about Supersoft's role though Supersoft: This action will blow your cover and this will cause your alignment and role abilities to be revealed to the mafia Dropbear: His kill causes his alignment and role abilities to be PMd to everyone of the opposite alignment to him lol did you just give yourself away as mafia? "Hm, they said this but decon hasn't PM'ed it to me or my team yet." Before I go ahead and lynch your scummy neck please explain to me if I'm seeing things right here.
Unless you suspect Deconduo changed Supersoft's role description due to his alignment, one of them is lying. It's possible, but I don't see any reason to do that
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Thinking more about it, it makes sense as a pure balance tweak (so before alignments were determined) as the role would otherwise be quite weak for mafia
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