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heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
July 09 2011 19:52 GMT
#2001
prplhz, hold firm. do not give in to his wiles
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
July 09 2011 19:52 GMT
#2002
if only lol
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 09 2011 19:54 GMT
#2003
By now it's obvious the current deterrent isn't sufficient. Perhaps our approach was flawed. What we really need is

the Doomsday machine

[image loading]

A machine that is to be triggered automatically and at the same time is impossible to untrigger. Deterrence is the art of producing in the mind of the enemy... the fear to attack. And so, because of the automated and irrevocable decision making process which rules out human meddling, the doomsday machine is terrifying. It's simple to understand. And completely credible, and convincing.

If a nuke is launched, everyone follows the suit by launching their whole nuclear arsenal. Crude, but effective. I would not rule out the chance to preserve a nucleus of human specimens. It would be quite easy... heh heh... at the bottom of ah ... some of our deeper mineshafts. The radioactivity would never penetrate a mine some thousands of feet deep.

That was a softclaim btw
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
July 09 2011 19:59 GMT
#2004
Analysis is all wrong....I'm quoted as being GGQ....

But I'm fine with lynching GGQ....
On July 09 2011 13:06 PaqMan wrote:
Hey GGQ, where's your analysis?
I'm really confused by your posts.
Actually GGQ you're looking scummy as fuck to me. Do any of you guys know how many posts he has in this thread?
SIX

This dude has been lurking so hard and I'm fucking surprised that he's managed to fly under everyone's radar for this long?
What has this dude done that actually counts as contribution? Jack shit.

Let's take a look at his posts? And while we're at it, let's keep track of everyone He's FoS'd too!

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On July 07 2011 11:02 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Dudes, n dudettes, I'm on pizzage 28....@_@....making notes and shit.

Eii is another person I suspect @_@....But That's from earlier shit....page 9ish to 11ish I think....Wrote a star by his name even....His lil tussle with Sandroba...Basically....You all talk to damn much. Gmarshal talkin bout hypothetical abilities....@_@...Like GTFO.


"Eii is another person I suspect"

There is others that you've been suspicious of besides Eii?? And yet you fail to actually tell the town who they are?...

GGQ's FoS list:
Eii


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On July 07 2011 13:48 GGQ wrote:
I just caught up.

Guys I don't like:

Mig, Cthsazsa, deconduo

No, I'm not going to justify that right now because I have to go to bed because I work tomorrow. I pray this game looks better in the morning light.


"No, I'm not going to justify that right now...."

Well, are you ever? I highly doubt it.


GGQ's FoS list:
Eii
Mig
Cthsazsa/PaqMan
deconduo

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On July 07 2011 14:27 GGQ wrote:
I'm gonna switch to Palmar since sandroba isn't getting lynched.

It's gonna be hard to have an opinion until the dust clears tomorrow. Right now this town couldn't find it's own ass with a compass.


"I'm gonna switch to Palmar since sandroba isn't getting lynched."

Wait, What??? What the Hell happened to the other 4 guys that you've grown oh-so-suspicious of?
Why did you suddenly *forget* about them?

I'm very confused about this. You're jumping on the Palmar BandWagon because Sandroba isn't getting lynched? WTF.
Why did you even vote on sandroba in the first place? Your reasons seem to be absent.

"It's gonna be hard to have an opinion until the dust clears tomorrow."

Uh-huh.
You're doing an excellent job in blending in and avoiding discussions by refusing to form your own opinion and choosing sides in arguments.

Now, let's check out this bad boy...




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On July 09 2011 09:57 GGQ wrote:
On July 09 2011 09:43 heist wrote:
ALSO NO MORE NUKES. PRETEND WE HAVE WATCHTOWER. JeeJee I doubt you would have nuked if you didn't have anti-nukes to waste on yourself (if you are telling the truth). YOU do not have antinukes. WE, the TOWN, has anti-nukes. Please don't treat them as your personal nuke med kit.

One last thing. I think YM is town. Sure, no one claimed his anti-nuke, but given its power I can understand. Also the diverted target, Palmar, makes no sense for mafia. He was suspicious in a lot of the town's eyes and a popular lynch target.


Because that worked so well yesterday...

Yeah, that's right, I'm here kids. The age of the Great Lurk is over, and GGQ has arrived to play some mafia. I think GMarshal is sketchy as fuck but I thought so last game too, and I was wrong. Who knows? Sandroba is shifty as well, but hey he's a zombie (ftr I went to Moscow and saw Lenin's corpse, it wasn't moving when I was there) so we're probably best off killing him. Hopefully vigilantes will take care of that issue since we can't do it with nukes and we'd rather lynch scum.

So I called out three players earlier, I'm still leery on deconduo but Mig seems pretty straight up to me nowadays. My main suspicion now is Cthsaza/Paqman who I would like to promote as a primary lynch target for the next cycle (as soon as Caller deigns to honour us with a day post). I'll write an analysis later is no one else is convinced just by me mentioning his name.



"I think GMarshal is sketchy as fuck but I thought so last game too, and I was wrong. Who knows?"

You've got to be joking here. You're joking, right?
You're not getting Town Vibes from GM, you're thinking that he might be scum, and that he's acting really scummy right now. But because you had the same feeling about him last game, you're going to dismiss it?..
Am I the ONLY PERSON who sees how flawed this logic is? That move right there by GGQ is just screaming SCUM to me.


"Sandroba is shifty as well, but hey he's a zombie... so we're probably best off killing him. Hopefully vigilantes will take care of that issue since we can't do it with nukes and we'd rather lynch scum."

Wow. Wow wow wow.
Notice how he clearly states that Town is BEST OFF KILLING HIM, but goes on to suggest that "hopefully" vigilantes will take care of it. He pretty much acknowledges that Sandroba is a threat to Town, and proceeds to shrug it off.

"I'm still leery on deconduo but Mig seems pretty straight up to me nowadays."

So you're still feeling bad vibes from deconduo? And of course, you simply leave it as it is, with no explanation whatsoever for your reasoning.
Just like Mig himself stated, he's had like 2 posts in the last 50 hours. How in Hell does Mig seem "pretty straight nowadays" ???
Something is really off here.


"My main suspicion now is Cthsaza/Paqman who I would like to promote as a primary lynch target for the next cycle... I'll write an analysis later is no one else is convinced just by me mentioning his name."

Yet again GGQ completely fails to give his reasons as to why I'm his "Main Suspicion".
Why would ANYONE be convinced I'm scum "just by you mentioning my name". What is that last part even supposed to mean? Do you think I'm scum because I changed my name?

What this looks like is a half-assed attempt to start a bandwagon on me. At least put more effort into it next time.


I guess you're going to have to make an analysis on me.
OYA what ever happened to Eii? Did you completely forget about him, too?

Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
July 09 2011 20:02 GMT
#2005
missile update in a sec i just got back

regarding things people asking:

here's how ULTRA works:

mafia have a night hit and some other ability that affects another player in a negative way (i.e. if they have medic protections or whatever, those don't count, whereas a roleblock, dt check, frame, etc. do count)

they hit bob with the night hit and use the ability on tim

you will see bob and tim's names show up

if they also protect rob, rob's name will not appear.

also theawesomewhateverurnameis your nuke didn't fire because you didn't put ## next to it

originalname's primary mistake was not putting a picture with the day post
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heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
July 09 2011 20:07 GMT
#2006
Can you announce axis campaign?
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 09 2011 20:07 GMT
#2007
What the fuckkkkk. When there is a simple answer or a complex answer for something like YM's role claim 99% of the time the simple answer is going to be right. Look at PTP when wiggles and GM were basically caught they both came up with a ton of ridiculous elaborate scenarios to try and save themselves. Now we have to believe the mafia's campaign allowed them to re write the death post? Isn't that such a stretch.

But the wincon thing and the fact his powers were listed meh it is such strong evidence. So fine I will believe YM for now I suppose.

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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-09 20:15:17
July 09 2011 20:08 GMT
#2008
KABOOM!
[image loading]



A mushroom cloud explodes over youngminii's head.. Unfortunately for him, he was doing a cartwheel at the time of the explosion, and the explosion's shockwave caught him right between his legs. The force from the nuclear blast cleaved him neatly in two shortly before vaporizing him, with his one left ball being bisected in the process. Such a tragic way to die.

youngminii, Borenard Montgomery, has met the force of a thousand suns.

Youngminii's missile is still heading for deconduo. Day (caller is bad) ends in 17 hours.
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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 09 2011 20:08 GMT
#2009
Oh I'm good
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
July 09 2011 20:09 GMT
#2010
Oh right:

Axis have chosen the Marco Polo Operation.
The radiation count is: Low.
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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 09 2011 20:09 GMT
#2011
Can we nuke/lynch whoever argued against me
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 09 2011 20:09 GMT
#2012
I fully support everyone claiming their name btw.

I am No Means Yesenhower of BRAHMERICA.

Also has kita or wiggles made a useful post yet? I am not sure I have seen them attack a single person yet.
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heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
July 09 2011 20:10 GMT
#2013
LOL. caller you are a baller
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 09 2011 20:10 GMT
#2014
Wait why did YM die? I thought he had an extra life.
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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 09 2011 20:12 GMT
#2015
Wait night ends in 17 hours? It's not day?
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 09 2011 20:14 GMT
#2016
HAHAHA okay that was an okay way to die

gl town

+ Show Spoiler [as promised] +
On July 09 2011 13:55 Mig wrote:
YM you might as well not even bother because honestly unless caller/ON made some huge mistake and gave you guys the same name you clearly made yours up lol. It is really unimaginably unlucky that you chose the same name as the guy who died right after.

I hope the rest of the town checks this asap so we can nuke you soon.

On July 09 2011 14:01 Mig wrote:
Oh also another point for why nuke is way better than lynch here. This case is so blatantly obvious that if we lynch him today no scum hunting will get done. So we can actually get some work done if YM dies soon.

Also if anyone else is a day vig like chaos was please claim and kill YM. Would save us from having to raise the radiation level.

On July 09 2011 14:05 Mig wrote:
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On July 09 2011 14:00 youngminii wrote:
maaaaaaaaaaaaaan this is a terrible scenario for me
i assure you i'm a townie though


Quick come up with some other lie to claim haha.

I really am laughing so hard. I can't get over what a good fake claim it was and then the odds that BM would be used in the game and THEN he was the first person killed by the mafia.

On July 09 2011 14:22 Mig wrote:
Yea I wondered the same heist. I would just guess chaos just missed it. It actually makes me wonder what do people think about everyone role claiming their leader? There are only so many military leaders people can pick from for each country. We may run into more people who fuck up their claims.

On July 09 2011 14:23 Mig wrote:
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On July 09 2011 14:21 youngminii wrote:
nah i call bullshit

why is chaos's role PM plastered all over his death post
that's like, DESIGNED to frame me or something


rofl could you come up with a more implausible scenario.

On July 09 2011 14:28 Mig wrote:
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On July 09 2011 14:26 youngminii wrote:
y'all gonna eat your words when i flip town


What words are we going to eat exactly? What possible scenario could make it so you and chaos were the same person?

On July 09 2011 14:44 Mig wrote:
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On July 09 2011 14:41 youngminii wrote:
why

it's already been said that zombies win with town, why would i care if town knows?

are you seriously suggesting you'd rather have an extra life then an anti-nuke/extra night hit? although i guess the night hit part is unconfirmable


It has been said that zombies win with town by whom exactly? Certainly not caller/ON. Zombies could very easily be a third party that wins on their own for all we know.

And how do we even know you shot down matza's nuke? Maybe one of your mafia teammates panicked when they saw it heading towards you and shot it down themselves. You already lied about your leader name there is no reason you couldn't have lied about your anti nukes.

On July 09 2011 14:55 Mig wrote:
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On July 09 2011 14:51 youngminii wrote:


see here's the thing, you're thinking about this with a closed mind
if you were to actually accept that there's a possibility that caller's a hateful guy that just want to make us suffer you might just see that some of the stuff i'm saying is making sense

clearly you don't remember this thread very well, or you just haven't read all of it

- i warned mataza that if he nuked me, i would anti-nuke it, it was completely up to me
- if you read the faction lists you'll see that the CCCP and by extension, the zombies, are under ALLIES

just think about it for a second without being instantly dismissive


Ah ok so we are supposed to protect you based on the argument that caller gave you the same name just to fuck with us. I see.

And ok maybe you had anti nukes if you can't use them as night hits (we have no way of confirming that) then they are the exact same as extra lives. So who cares if you use one or the other?

And no the CCCP are not all zombies. Sinani was CCCP and he died to a nuke. So the zombies are likely part of several different factions, or sandroba made up his roleclaim about being part of CCCP/being a zombie.

On July 09 2011 15:12 Mig wrote:
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On July 09 2011 15:08 PaqMan wrote:
Fuck. I really don't want to nuke him because if he survives everything's going to be batshit-insane WIFOM.
And there are certainly better things to lynch imo.

Decisions, decisions...


Huh nuking makes it simple. We nuke if he survives we lynch.

And wtf there are better things to lynch? Do you think we have better candidates to lynch? Really? I mean he claimed the same person as chaos. And his only real defense against it is Caller decided to fuck with us and give people the same names. Which doesn't even really make sense because YMs claim was slightly different from the real name.

On July 09 2011 15:27 sandroba wrote:
I learned to never question my own analysis again. Feel free to lynch me if you want.
Nuke: Youngminii

On July 09 2011 15:20 heist wrote:
lol YM. Care to share the names of the rest of your nation? I'd love to hear what you are going to come up with.

On July 09 2011 15:21 youngminii wrote:
how would i know
o.o

On July 09 2011 15:25 heist wrote:
obviously you would make them up haha

On July 09 2011 15:31 Mig wrote:
There is NOBODY better to lynch. Use some common sense my god.

No matter what we must kill YM. He attempted to fake claim the same person as a confirmed townie there shouldn't even be a debate.

On July 09 2011 15:33 Mig wrote:
And I would have waited for more people to give their input but I don't really care that much that sandroba nuked him. If he survives the nuke we will lynch him.

On July 09 2011 15:38 Mig wrote:
.......................................................................................

It is a caller game so we are just going to assume caller gave people the same role name? Really. I mean really. You honestly are telling me you think it is more likely for caller to be giving townies the same name than YM was fake roleclaiming?

And look we nuke YM if he dies then wonderful we can use the rest of the day to actually scum hunt. If he survives we lynch. I mean we should use our nukes very sparingly but this couldn't be more clear cut. YM was caught in a mafia lie. Don't try and argue he should slide based on Caller theoretically just giving players the same name, which would make 0 sense.

On July 09 2011 15:38 sandroba wrote:
I don't know why he anti nuked me. At this point I can see how suspicious I might be since he protected me. Feel free to nuke or lynch me as you see fit, cuz I don't want to waste any more of town's time discussing me. If nuking me would satisfy you I advise it since it's unlikely scum would waste a anti-nuke on me knowing that I'm immortal. But anyway, you guys know what's best. Whenever I'm sober again (~24hours) I'm gonna post analysis nailing most of the scum team.

On July 09 2011 15:40 sandroba wrote:
@chaos why the hell didn't you counter claim his ass? Way to go man.

On July 09 2011 15:42 sandroba wrote:
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On July 09 2011 15:28 Mig wrote:
Sandroba if YM flips red why do you think he saved you with his anti nuke?

Look at my analysis of YM and that should tell you why he saved me. Anyway his claim was good, that's the only thing that changed my mind and I blaim chaos for not counter claiming him. Idc if you guys choose to lynch me today, but I'll make sure I'll take at least 2 scum with me.

On July 09 2011 15:48 sandroba wrote:
I'm not martyring, I want to live, but since YM (confirmed scum) chose to protect me I can see how that would make me suspicious.

On July 09 2011 16:23 sandroba wrote:
Also let me remind you guys that YM claimed Bernard, so all theories regarding Scum being fed fake claims have gone to hell. I claimed Lenin, so as long as no one counter claims me you have no reason to doubt it.

On July 09 2011 16:40 Curu wrote:
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On July 09 2011 15:38 sandroba wrote:
I don't know why he anti nuked me. At this point I can see how suspicious I might be since he protected me. Feel free to nuke or lynch me as you see fit, cuz I don't want to waste any more of town's time discussing me. If nuking me would satisfy you I advise it since it's unlikely scum would waste a anti-nuke on me knowing that I'm immortal. But anyway, you guys know what's best. Whenever I'm sober again (~24hours) I'm gonna post analysis nailing most of the scum team.


And nuking you would most certainly not satisfy me. You claimed nuke immunity yourself. Good job trying to fish out some more nukes and chaos.

I say we nuke YM and lynch sandroba.

On July 09 2011 16:49 Curu wrote:
Also if we nuke YM we vote on who we think is most scummy to launch these nukes. None of this player list bullshit. I advocated hard for a randomized list if we used player list and sandroba advocated just as hard against it. If he's scum this leads me to believe that the players near the top of the list are not scum and he wants Town to be wasting their nukes.

It might take more than one nuke to kill YM. I propose we launch three max (even that's pushing it a bit. Maybe just two). If he still doesn't die we lynch one of him or sandroba and hope there's a Vig to take care of the other at night.

On July 09 2011 19:03 Kurumi wrote:
Lol we're even discussing lynching/nuking the guy who's claim turned to be false? I am voting YM now.

On July 09 2011 19:05 syllogism wrote:
How much should we read into flavor? I was so convinced YM couldn't be scum, that I dismissed this earlier, but could it be YM had special nukes that couldn't be shot down?

"Mataza saw all the nukes heading out and thought, gee, what a nice way to go. So he ran out into the middle of the field to welcome the new missile. Unfortunately for him, the missile armed a bit later than timed.""

That would make GM's claim about his anti-nuke failing due to "shoddy chinese technology" a lie

On July 09 2011 21:20 sandroba wrote:
@kurumi aka YM2 who is scum bro? care to give some opinions instead of the bland posting?

On July 09 2011 22:00 sandroba wrote:
So the plan is the following: day is suposed to end when the nuke lands. But it would be useless to lynch YM if he's already dead so we use artificial methods to prolonge the day and find out if YM died or not from the nuke. About 1 hour before the time my nuke lands on YM someone that has no nukes nukes me (so we don't raise radiation pointlessly) or if everyone wants to make sure I'm not lying you can fire a real one, but I advise against it. This way we can nuke YM again if mafia uses anti-nukes on it OR lynch someone else if he's indeed dead.

On July 09 2011 22:19 sandroba wrote:
How in hell are you going to flip green? Are you collor blind?

On July 09 2011 22:25 Kurumi wrote:
Anyone up to date who is linked to YM? We might net two scum or even more tonight.
lalala
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-09 20:15:56
July 09 2011 20:15 GMT
#2017
and since chaos13 didn't get a good enough death scene

Chaos13 waved goodbye to the town. He was going to take a vacation for the weekend. Unfortunately for him, as he was leaving in his jeep, his driver was drinking some strange coffee and eating some sort of white meat dish when suddenly he swerved into a tree. Chaos13 made the poor choice of resting his hands on his lap: the crash caused his hands to yank down his fly, extending his ill-shapen member out of his pants, which promptly was severed by the glass that shattered after one rather large apple broke the windows. Chaos13 proceeded to death from shame of no longer being a man.


IS THERE A CLUE IN THERE? I DUNNO!
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 09 2011 20:17 GMT
#2018
I don't understand why he died tho? I thought extra lives made it so you survived nuclear blasts. Shouldn't YM have gotten an extra life with our last operation?
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JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
July 09 2011 20:21 GMT
#2019
k this makes no fucking sense

if YM was telling the truth then he should have lived through the nuke, unless sandroba's zombie nukes are 2x as powerful
if he's lying, why did he flip what he said he would flip? and how does chaos13 being the same person factor into this
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
July 09 2011 20:21 GMT
#2020
On July 10 2011 05:17 Mig wrote:
I don't understand why he died tho? I thought extra lives made it so you survived nuclear blasts. Shouldn't YM have gotten an extra life with our last operation?

Here's a hint: I'm an asshole.
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