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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 09 2011 18:11 GMT
#1961
Curu btw you posted this a while ago

"I do not like the idea of name claiming but if you all agree to it then so be it."
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 09 2011 18:15 GMT
#1962
My main problem with your anti-claiming tirade is that you are so vehemently against it. If you were town with some delicate secondary win-con, it would be much better to just concentrate on that instead of focusing on the other possible weaknesses of name claiming, because they are far less believable.
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
July 09 2011 18:17 GMT
#1963
kk, finally read through, couple posts I wanna address:

On July 10 2011 00:27 sandroba wrote:
Also feel free to nuke me to prove I'm not lying. Beware of the radiation though =P.


Nuking you proves nothing, all it proves is that you can survive a nuke. It also doesn't prove, even if you are a zombie, that you're actually aligned with town. Why are you so eager to get shot when it proves nothing?

On July 10 2011 00:55 syllogism wrote:
Regarding GMarshal, while I still think he is likely town, there is one possibility for him to fake claim. It's unlikely and ballsy, but it relies on the notion that there are "two diametrically opposed factions" who won't dare to counterclaim because the opposing faction's win-con is to kill the other one. I found it a bit odd how he claims he got to choose his leader, while the OP seems to imply both of them are in the game.

Show nested quote +
A small Chinese restaurant that has two diametrically opposed factions:
Leaders: Cash Mai-Check and Malt Soydong.


This is wrong. If there were two factions, and they had to kill each other, the real Cash Mai wouldn't want to claim, no. However, in that case, the opposing faction would have just killed GM, because they thought he was the real Cash-Mai, and because he lost two lives, and would be wide open for a hit. So, he's either not lying about his name, or there aren't two Chinese factions who want to kill each other.

Also, ~OpZ~ is scummy as fuck, and that was a good catch for the win-con on Chaos' death.
you gotta dance
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 09 2011 18:18 GMT
#1964
Oh you are right about that, that was dumb. I think I even considered that possibility before, dismissed it for that reason and then forgot

Anyway, given Caller said he combined two roles, I think it's likely those were the ones
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 09 2011 18:21 GMT
#1965
Wiggles, well actually the real ones would know he is fake claiming because a) Chinese restaurant would never publicly claim b) because he would have had to lie about the part where he said he got to choose between two leaders
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
July 09 2011 18:23 GMT
#1966
Hey guys, I am P4\/LOL's Dog. Somehow I am bright enough to use nukes and I even have two of those (that's one of the reasons I am not going to use them, too scared lol). I am obviously part of Trollviet Union. I have special win condition (don't worry, it doesn't involve killing anyone! ) Now onto the promised Coagulation re-read.. Oh also, since chaos13 flip was pretty much debunked I think YM is pretty legit, though Mafia could make a gambit ; OPZ stated that he would bandwagon on YM if there was one going, that screams scum to me and I am voting OPZ for now.
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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 09 2011 18:26 GMT
#1967
So do you really have a posting restriction during nights
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 09 2011 18:28 GMT
#1968
Also look at your own theory: Me and YM are scum. I pruposefully make him waste an anti-nuke on me and made him suspicious for no reason OR I'm not immune to nukes and fake claimed Zombie after the night post told people to watch out. I also nuked YM after chaos flipped with the same name he claimed, before syllo pointed out the discrepancies. YM also wasted an anti-nuke on himself for no reason, because since he's gonna survive this nuke and is scum and not brit, that means he could have taken the nuke the day before and saved his anti nukes for protecting his peers. I nuked YM who you think is scum for no apparent reason aswell, since I'm scum too. Even if YM was not scum and I was scum, I would have wanted him lynched, not nuked, since I would know he was town and thus not lying about being brit. But then again I'm evil and completely idiotic scum so I did it just for kicks. I also open claimed Lenin when no one asked me to, because whatever let's do shit at random and hope for the best. I also wasted my time doing a huge analysis on Palmar, which luckly for me flipped conspirator, because I would look bad if he flipped townie. Let's not forget I tried to lynch someone else later when he claimed conspirator, because my intention is to be as suspicious as possible and not hop on easy bandwagons. Also I'm bussing my mate Opz right now for no reason, since fuck my win conditions. Great theory. You read CCM, do you believe that's how I play scum?
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 09 2011 18:32 GMT
#1969
On July 10 2011 02:35 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 02:18 sandroba wrote:
Not necessarily someone is lying, and if someone is I would assume it to be TAA. Let's assume only one chinese as per syllo theory. That leaves 4 factions to distribute a lot of townies, not necessarilly evenly. Let's not jump to conclusions. Winston claim is pretty balsy, so he's prob town.
JeeJee and Curu where is your claim?
@curu I'll answer any questions you ask if you claim your name. You have needlessly outted that you have a power role, but you refuse to share your name? Why is that? From what you claimed so far your name should have no barring on your power.

29-6= 23
23-2=21
21/4=5.25
atm we have YM getting counted as british, while he claimed a name that already existed. Also i can proof quite easily that im british, since im a veteran and i got that extra live i have 3 lives atm, and i can miss one np.
nuke:TheAwesomeAll

jeejee's gonna take that second life away from ya
have fun
lalala
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
July 09 2011 18:35 GMT
#1970
Syllo you have a grand total of two people asking me for my name. I don't see how this is in any way a majority.

There are two ways you are getting my name.

1. A majority (that means significantly more than two) ask me for it. At least this shows me Town is willing to unify in a stance.

2. I am convinced that sandroba is scum and sandroba seems to be convinced that I am scum.

If sandroba submits to being lynched today and it goes through and he flips green, I will give my name and submit to being lynched as well or night Vig'd. Since we are both convicted then a one-for-one trade seems fair enough to me. One scum for one Town.

I am going out for a bit now.
wat
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 09 2011 18:37 GMT
#1971
I'm not 100% convinced you are scum btw. A townie should never propose something like this.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 09 2011 18:38 GMT
#1972
On July 10 2011 03:35 Curu wrote:
Syllo you have a grand total of two people asking me for my name. I don't see how this is in any way a majority.

It was more in response to your speculation about there being posting restrictions that prevent claiming. At least we now know it doesn't apply to you. Anyway, I don't think there's a need to force you or most players to claim today if we are lynching Opz
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
July 09 2011 18:39 GMT
#1973
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 07 2011 09:09 Coagulation wrote:
GMarshal IF U DIE and flip GREEN
Who would be good nuke targets?


This is the only post by Coag which has any substance and value.
Why? Because it something we could grab in case GM really died (aka suspect list) and discuss. (answer from GM)
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 07 2011 08:27 Coagulation wrote:
gmarshal use it on me. i have a ton of nukes anyway

A lot of nukes but You never used them, too scared, scum?
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 07 2011 05:50 Coagulation wrote:
Drazerk fake claimed?? And then got caught and pretends it was to prove a point?

LOLWUT?

Coag calls Drazerk stupid, but that's it. There's no:
A) "Town would never lie."
B) "What's Your real name then?"
C) "STOP ROLE/NAME CLAIMS"
There's no expressing thoughts, nothing. He just calls Drazerk stupid and refuses to give an opinion on him.
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 07 2011 05:39 Coagulation wrote:
NOPE. IM BOREITISH
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2011 05:34 chaos13 wrote:
On July 07 2011 05:29 Coagulation wrote:
town sure shit the bed in this one.


I couldn't agree more. You scum or conspirator?



+ Show Spoiler +
On July 05 2011 13:37 Coagulation wrote:
I have Nukes. Alot of them. Scum are going be nuked excessively as long as im alive. Also your death threats are meaningless to me. I am Un nukable. Anything you send at me will only rain on my neighbors.

I believe it was first claim in the thread.. way to go..
This is the first claim about a lot of nukes, he promises to nuke scum. He called for nukes on Palmar and Drazerk I believe. The fuck? They're scum but You're not going to kill them? What? How do You work, Coagulation?!
So what do we have:
Coagulation is unnukable Boretish with a lot of nukes.
He isn't scum hunting. He is not nuking scum. He calls for nukes but does not nuke. He claimed unnukeable and instead of being #1 Scum target and attracting those. He does not give a fuck what we do. He did not discuss policies, operations, NOTHING. Coagulation is scum.

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youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 09 2011 18:39 GMT
#1974
On July 10 2011 03:35 Curu wrote:
Syllo you have a grand total of two people asking me for my name. I don't see how this is in any way a majority.

There are two ways you are getting my name.

1. A majority (that means significantly more than two) ask me for it. At least this shows me Town is willing to unify in a stance.

2. I am convinced that sandroba is scum and sandroba seems to be convinced that I am scum.

If sandroba submits to being lynched today and it goes through and he flips green, I will give my name and submit to being lynched as well or night Vig'd. Since we are both convicted then a one-for-one trade seems fair enough to me. One scum for one Town.

I am going out for a bit now.

what rubbish is this

you say "if we kill sandroba and he flips green i'll claim"
and then you go on to say "a one for one trade seems fair enough"
"one scum for one town"

i hope you get killed tomorrow or tonight
lalala
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
July 09 2011 18:40 GMT
#1975
Syllo it could be Caller making fun -_- because literally I got info that I need to post in polish for entire night, that's all.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
July 09 2011 18:43 GMT
#1976
ADD:
He claimed unnukeable as fast as possible, instead of being scum's #1 target during the day and making scum nuke him without knowledge that wouldn't do shit.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
July 09 2011 18:53 GMT
#1977
On July 10 2011 03:39 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 03:35 Curu wrote:
Syllo you have a grand total of two people asking me for my name. I don't see how this is in any way a majority.

There are two ways you are getting my name.

1. A majority (that means significantly more than two) ask me for it. At least this shows me Town is willing to unify in a stance.

2. I am convinced that sandroba is scum and sandroba seems to be convinced that I am scum.

If sandroba submits to being lynched today and it goes through and he flips green, I will give my name and submit to being lynched as well or night Vig'd. Since we are both convicted then a one-for-one trade seems fair enough to me. One scum for one Town.

I am going out for a bit now.

what rubbish is this

you say "if we kill sandroba and he flips green i'll claim"
and then you go on to say "a one for one trade seems fair enough"
"one scum for one town"

i hope you get killed tomorrow or tonight


I'm basically kamikaze-ing sandroba. Reading comprehension please. If he dies and flips green I die. One for one.

Given that I'm convinced sandroba is red then I firmly believe there is one red one green among us. He isn't fully convinced I'm red though apparently so I doubt he'll agree to the plan if he is green. And he definitely won't if he is red.

Ok actually going out now.
wat
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
July 09 2011 18:57 GMT
#1978
What the fuck just happened?
How did everyone just suddenly forget about YM? Does everyone really believe that "I WAS FRAMED!" BS??

On July 09 2011 22:10 youngminii wrote:
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

I hate you Caller, what the fuck arhguiyfdhgjpit4n ehrgiaPEISmv jnop'i
You want my thoughts?
You really really want my thoughts?
I think Deconduo is 100% scum, undoubtedly.
PaqMan is 99% scum for trying to defend me when in the best move available is to nuke/lynch me. He doesn't even question it, he just says yeah nah he's town.
Most of the rest of the active people are town.
Kill lots of lurkers.

That's it.

##Nuke Deconduo


What are you talking about? I never once suggested you were Town. I was arguing that it would be really stupid to nuke you. I told Mig that he should be pushing for your lynch, not trying to fucking launch a nuke.

Oh look, YM launched a nuke AGAIN and nobody does jack shit about it?
WTF is wrong with you Town.

I'm all for lynching YM now.
t(ツ)t
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
July 09 2011 18:58 GMT
#1979
##Vote Youngminii
t(ツ)t
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 09 2011 19:00 GMT
#1980
Well I'm getting tired of convincing people over and over, it would be nice if we could just all press the big red button and end this right now. It's going to be depressing if I'm wrong.

Btw Chaos13's flip still isn't in op. Wonder why
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