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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
July 09 2011 16:47 GMT
#1921
Also YM/sandroba if you are on the scum team I commend you. Caller must be proud of you for playing the exact same style as he did in WaW1 (acting so ridiculous no one thinks you're scum) and getting away with it again.
wat
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 09 2011 16:48 GMT
#1922
Lets recap the problems with the day post and youngminii being mafia

1. Wrong victory condition (copied straight from OP). Youngminii knew the correct victory condition.
2. No axis campaign listed. The OP specifically states that "The Axis Campaign will begin the following night and will be announced in the Day post. ". This isn't conclusive unfortunately as it could be be announced on the next day post, rather than this one
3. The probability of mafia hitting the person who was used for fake claim on the same day is very low.
4. Youngminii wasn't forced to name claim. Why would mafia claim for no reason, especially such a high profile figure
5. This is WIFOM, but mafia hitting chaos13 didn't really make sense. There was nothing in his posts that hinted he was some high value target and he wasn't really pushing anyone hard. There were better targets. The only thing in posts stands out is the bit about NOT BELIEVING CLAIMS. It makes perfect sense to hit him if they were going to use him to frame someone. Not so much if they were afraid of him counterclaiming.
6. Youngminii's actions on day 1 don't make sense for mafia; this is obviously arguable
7. Youngminii's acting is stellar if he is actually mafia. Kudos in that case. Given the evidence against him, I think most players would give up
8. The day post is really lacking in content. Conveniently Caller was around so this doesn't prove much.
9. Chaos13 didn't counterclaim. Maybe he wasn't around, maybe he didn't want to claim until day 2 so he wouldn't be sniped before he got his extra life. Also, according to that day post, his ability is day vig...
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
July 09 2011 16:48 GMT
#1923
On July 10 2011 01:45 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 01:38 Drazerk wrote:
On July 10 2011 01:37 kitaman27 wrote:
Drazerk, the timing of your claim doesn't make sense. If you truly wanted to find heart, wouldn't it make more sense to claim at the beginning of today to prevent any nukes from firing or at the beginning of day three now that a nuke has already been fired? Does the fact that YM's nuke is fake still prevent you from finding heart?


It was a joke, I was getting annoyed by all the nukes and people listen to captain planet.

drazerk if you go on with this i start doubting you are really captain planet.


He's not Captain Planet. It's obviously another fakeclaim.

The only serious claim he's made so far is Winceton Churchill. YM says that makes no sense. Why?
wat
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
July 09 2011 16:48 GMT
#1924
On July 10 2011 01:44 youngminii wrote:
imo either drazerk or taa (or both) is lying
didn't coag claim british as well?
lol @ drazerk, so cute, i wanted to find a heart
also iirc someone claimed winston churchill's name already, but i might very well be mistaken


Someone is lying about being British but I haven't seen churchill's name used other than me, Or else I would of instantly sniped him out
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
July 09 2011 16:49 GMT
#1925
On July 10 2011 01:44 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 01:43 JeeJee wrote:
Mornin' boys, tossed my vote on ULTRA for the op

Now onto the fun stuff

So YM nuked dec without consensus but he's already getting nuked, I can ignore him.
Sandro nuked YM but I think it's justified given that YM is pretty much guaranteed scum, and everyone who posted seemed to agree on killing him

My arsenal lies in wait.

hihi catch up before you post kthx


I caught up since the night post. You claimed a relatively unimportant role (I think? I am not a history buff) but then it ends up flipping night 1. Tough luck bro =\ But there is no way there are two of you, so one of you is lying.
And one of you is dead, so I'm inclined to trust that guy.
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
July 09 2011 16:50 GMT
#1926
On July 10 2011 01:48 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 01:44 youngminii wrote:
imo either drazerk or taa (or both) is lying
didn't coag claim british as well?
lol @ drazerk, so cute, i wanted to find a heart
also iirc someone claimed winston churchill's name already, but i might very well be mistaken


Someone is lying about being British but I haven't seen churchill's name used other than me, Or else I would of instantly sniped him out


Everyone Boreritish has had some play on their name with being boring. Why not yours?
wat
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 09 2011 16:51 GMT
#1927
too many british
me coag drazerk taa deconduo
?

also, why did deconduo's name claim include 'sir' when drazerk's didn't? host slip up or scum slip
lalala
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
July 09 2011 16:52 GMT
#1928
Unless it's just another fakeclaim to prove your point. Which I'm inclined to believe.

I'm going to hit myself now for actually getting dragged into this nameclaim analysis nonsense even once.
wat
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
July 09 2011 16:55 GMT
#1929
On July 10 2011 01:51 youngminii wrote:
too many british
me coag drazerk taa deconduo
?

also, why did deconduo's name claim include 'sir' when drazerk's didn't? host slip up or scum slip


Drazerk is fake obviously. No idea who TAA's guy even is meant to be.
TheAwesomeAll
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands1609 Posts
July 09 2011 16:56 GMT
#1930
On July 10 2011 01:51 youngminii wrote:
too many british
me coag drazerk taa deconduo
?

also, why did deconduo's name claim include 'sir' when drazerk's didn't? host slip up or scum slip

ok, you say 5 is an unlikely high number of british people, and say one of us is probably fake, good reasoning, so far so good.
Now it turns out you already exist, and you essentially claimed someone else's role.
Only if i could connect the dots...
dr Helvetica <3
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
July 09 2011 16:57 GMT
#1931
On July 10 2011 01:49 JeeJee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 01:44 youngminii wrote:
On July 10 2011 01:43 JeeJee wrote:
Mornin' boys, tossed my vote on ULTRA for the op

Now onto the fun stuff

So YM nuked dec without consensus but he's already getting nuked, I can ignore him.
Sandro nuked YM but I think it's justified given that YM is pretty much guaranteed scum, and everyone who posted seemed to agree on killing him

My arsenal lies in wait.

hihi catch up before you post kthx


I caught up since the night post. You claimed a relatively unimportant role (I think? I am not a history buff) but then it ends up flipping night 1. Tough luck bro =\ But there is no way there are two of you, so one of you is lying.
And one of you is dead, so I'm inclined to trust that guy.


-Why was his role given when he flipped whereas no one elses was?
-Why does he have a different victory condition?
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 09 2011 16:57 GMT
#1932
that's funny but if i include chaos it would be 6 british, so someone's lying either way
lalala
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 09 2011 16:58 GMT
#1933
"Sir Winston Leonard Spencer-Churchill", Sir Winceton Borenard Churchill would have been more believable. The only issue with his "fake claim" is that it's a pretty ballsy one.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
July 09 2011 17:00 GMT
#1934
Lets just say I am the least boring person in the Boreritish Empire and so am forced to jump a few hoops.
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 09 2011 17:02 GMT
#1935
i've decided

i want to kill taa
but i still want to lynch opz
lalala
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
July 09 2011 17:03 GMT
#1936
On July 10 2011 01:58 syllogism wrote:
"Sir Winston Leonard Spencer-Churchill", Sir Winceton Borenard Churchill would have been more believable. The only issue with his "fake claim" is that it's a pretty ballsy one.


He's had two other fake nameclaims that were believed instantly. What is with your fascination with nameclaims? Do we really want to turn this game into flavor hunting and let the people who have scum actions go unpunished?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=235762

This should be required reading. Mafia won this game because a fake claim slipped through and became confirmed Town. sandroba was on this scum team that won because of a fake claim slipping through. sandroba now is fanatically pushing name claims.

Hmm.
wat
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 09 2011 17:05 GMT
#1937
to be fair (speaking as the cohost of that game), it's not really comparable
in CC it was the role that citizen claimed allowing him to slip through
in this game we're going for names

..which isn't any better lol
if i was scum i'd just ignore the whole name claiming thing
lalala
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
July 09 2011 17:07 GMT
#1938
On July 10 2011 02:05 youngminii wrote:
to be fair (speaking as the cohost of that game), it's not really comparable
in CC it was the role that citizen claimed allowing him to slip through
in this game we're going for names

..which isn't any better lol
if i was scum i'd just ignore the whole name claiming thing


So you agree with my point that name hunting isn't any better and is devastating for Town when even one goes wrong.

Then say only Mafia would be ignoring name claims?

wat
wat
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 09 2011 17:07 GMT
#1939
CCM isn't like this setup at all
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
July 09 2011 17:08 GMT
#1940
On July 10 2011 01:57 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 01:49 JeeJee wrote:
On July 10 2011 01:44 youngminii wrote:
On July 10 2011 01:43 JeeJee wrote:
Mornin' boys, tossed my vote on ULTRA for the op

Now onto the fun stuff

So YM nuked dec without consensus but he's already getting nuked, I can ignore him.
Sandro nuked YM but I think it's justified given that YM is pretty much guaranteed scum, and everyone who posted seemed to agree on killing him

My arsenal lies in wait.

hihi catch up before you post kthx


I caught up since the night post. You claimed a relatively unimportant role (I think? I am not a history buff) but then it ends up flipping night 1. Tough luck bro =\ But there is no way there are two of you, so one of you is lying.
And one of you is dead, so I'm inclined to trust that guy.


-Why was his role given when he flipped whereas no one elses was?
-Why does he have a different victory condition?


I'm not the host, how would I know?
If you're telling me this is another no-flip game, you're retarded. The one thing I trust so far is the flips that happened so far. Nothing else.
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
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