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Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
July 09 2011 17:10 GMT
#1941
On July 10 2011 02:07 Curu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 02:05 youngminii wrote:
to be fair (speaking as the cohost of that game), it's not really comparable
in CC it was the role that citizen claimed allowing him to slip through
in this game we're going for names

..which isn't any better lol
if i was scum i'd just ignore the whole name claiming thing


So you agree with my point that name hunting isn't any better and is devastating for Town when even one goes wrong.

Then say only Mafia would be ignoring name claims?

wat


To be honest I agree with you, I hate name claims and I hate role claims ( Unless they are fake and mine ) we let people slip through to easy.

However, There are five British players which seems to high, considering we are all veterans it is a VERY easy nation to claim if you are say a nuke immune zombie?

I've already explained why mine is different and if you read through the thread it should make perfect sense to you.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
July 09 2011 17:11 GMT
#1942
On July 10 2011 02:02 youngminii wrote:
i've decided

i want to kill taa
but i still want to lynch opz


I'm willing to nuke TAA if we get a consensus.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 09 2011 17:18 GMT
#1943
Not necessarily someone is lying, and if someone is I would assume it to be TAA. Let's assume only one chinese as per syllo theory. That leaves 4 factions to distribute a lot of townies, not necessarilly evenly. Let's not jump to conclusions. Winston claim is pretty balsy, so he's prob town.
JeeJee and Curu where is your claim?
@curu I'll answer any questions you ask if you claim your name. You have needlessly outted that you have a power role, but you refuse to share your name? Why is that? From what you claimed so far your name should have no barring on your power.
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 09 2011 17:19 GMT
#1944
On July 10 2011 02:07 Curu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 02:05 youngminii wrote:
to be fair (speaking as the cohost of that game), it's not really comparable
in CC it was the role that citizen claimed allowing him to slip through
in this game we're going for names

..which isn't any better lol
if i was scum i'd just ignore the whole name claiming thing


So you agree with my point that name hunting isn't any better and is devastating for Town when even one goes wrong.

Then say only Mafia would be ignoring name claims?

wat

i didn't mean ONLY mafia would ignore name claims
i meant smart mafia would just ignore it because it's not like everyone will agree to name claiming
lalala
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 09 2011 17:23 GMT
#1945
k, there is also the possibility that mafia know chaos13 true role name, but that should only cover one of them for fake claiming purposes.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 09 2011 17:26 GMT
#1946
It's an amazing coincidence though to have all the initial claims to be from the faction with the easiest gimmick and easy to wiki leaders
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
July 09 2011 17:26 GMT
#1947
On July 10 2011 02:07 syllogism wrote:
CCM isn't like this setup at all


Ok so it was a roleclaim that allowed him to fly under the radar. Smart roleclaim. But it could still be seen through if you can analyze it correctly: http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/KLbkqknwcuh

Name claims you can't rely on anything except lucking into a player claiming someone else who is already in the game. In a game of luck and randomness, Mafia comes out on top because they have information and can influence decisions.

On July 10 2011 02:18 sandroba wrote:
Not necessarily someone is lying, and if someone is I would assume it to be TAA. Let's assume only one chinese as per syllo theory. That leaves 4 factions to distribute a lot of townies, not necessarilly evenly. Let's not jump to conclusions. Winston claim is pretty balsy, so he's prob town.
JeeJee and Curu where is your claim?
@curu I'll answer any questions you ask if you claim your name. You have needlessly outted that you have a power role, but you refuse to share your name? Why is that? From what you claimed so far your name should have no barring on your power.


I have not outed that I am a power role. I said some of my powers are undeniably more useful than others. Mafia can believe I have a useful one or useless one right now as they want to believe. WIFOM come at me Mafia.

You outed yourself with nuke immunity without anyone asking you. Are you seriously this contradictory?

I'm going to point out the biggest flaw in all of your nameclaim bullshit right now. You are all operating under the assumption that Mafia can mask flips. If Mafia also has a name/role DT then they find a world leader, kill him, move his flip to something else and have one of them claim the world leader. You all instantly believe he is 100% confirmed Town. We instantly lose on lylo.

You're a smart guy sandroba, you helped come up with the fake roleclaim in CCM didn't you? Did I just puncture a hole in your new plan?
wat
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 09 2011 17:26 GMT
#1948
Jeejee and Curu should claim
TheAwesomeAll
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands1609 Posts
July 09 2011 17:35 GMT
#1949
On July 10 2011 02:18 sandroba wrote:
Not necessarily someone is lying, and if someone is I would assume it to be TAA. Let's assume only one chinese as per syllo theory. That leaves 4 factions to distribute a lot of townies, not necessarilly evenly. Let's not jump to conclusions. Winston claim is pretty balsy, so he's prob town.
JeeJee and Curu where is your claim?
@curu I'll answer any questions you ask if you claim your name. You have needlessly outted that you have a power role, but you refuse to share your name? Why is that? From what you claimed so far your name should have no barring on your power.

29-6= 23
23-2=21
21/4=5.25
atm we have YM getting counted as british, while he claimed a name that already existed. Also i can proof quite easily that im british, since im a veteran and i got that extra live i have 3 lives atm, and i can miss one np.
nuke:TheAwesomeAll
dr Helvetica <3
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 09 2011 17:37 GMT
#1950
That's terrible and doesn't prove anything. We can't tell if it's a dud or know if your real role has extra lives or resistance.

Also vote Opz
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 09 2011 17:38 GMT
#1951
Yes I did. How is this relevant again? What's your reason for not claiming your name again?
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
July 09 2011 17:38 GMT
#1952
On July 10 2011 02:26 syllogism wrote:
Jeejee and Curu should claim


Convince me that nameclaims are the way to go and I'll give you mine. I'm giving analysis, I'm giving my thoughts, I'm giving scenarios where nameclaim is bad, all you guys are giving is "i'm not mafia. u name claim now."

On July 10 2011 02:35 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 02:18 sandroba wrote:
Not necessarily someone is lying, and if someone is I would assume it to be TAA. Let's assume only one chinese as per syllo theory. That leaves 4 factions to distribute a lot of townies, not necessarilly evenly. Let's not jump to conclusions. Winston claim is pretty balsy, so he's prob town.
JeeJee and Curu where is your claim?
@curu I'll answer any questions you ask if you claim your name. You have needlessly outted that you have a power role, but you refuse to share your name? Why is that? From what you claimed so far your name should have no barring on your power.

29-6= 23
23-2=21
21/4=5.25
atm we have YM getting counted as british, while he claimed a name that already existed. Also i can proof quite easily that im british, since im a veteran and i got that extra live i have 3 lives atm, and i can miss one np.
nuke:TheAwesomeAll


I bet Palmar is laughing his ass off right now.
wat
TheAwesomeAll
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands1609 Posts
July 09 2011 17:39 GMT
#1953
On July 10 2011 02:37 syllogism wrote:
That's terrible and doesn't prove anything. We can't tell if it's a dud or know if your real role has extra lives or resistance.

Also vote Opz

I think only conspirators have no nukes, and i didnt fire a nuke yet this game. And yes my role has one additional live, im a ww1 veteran.
dr Helvetica <3
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 09 2011 17:39 GMT
#1954
That's all fine, we don't have to rely on names (indeed we are lynching Opz), but the fact you are so reluctant is highly suspicious.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 09 2011 17:40 GMT
#1955
You are free to disregard nameclaims all you want, but either way you should claim your name.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 09 2011 17:50 GMT
#1956
@Curu I also like how you adressed opz as a lurker, but failed to comment on my analysis that proves he's scum.
I wish I didn't waste my nuke on YM today.
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
July 09 2011 17:56 GMT
#1957
On July 10 2011 02:38 sandroba wrote:
Yes I did. How is this relevant again? What's your reason for not claiming your name again?


Special win conditions, possible anti nameclaim mechanics, I just threw up a plan that Mafia could abuse (I'm sure there's more I haven't thought of), veiled interests.

What's your reason for wanting everyone to nameclaim? Give me something concrete other than we might luck into someone claiming the same as someone else.

It's relevant because I saw through your plan in CCM and given your agenda now I am trying to see through it in this game.

You've done a brilliant job of directing the attention away from you and YM. Obviously either no one posting now has read through WaW1 Mafia or everyone missed that Caller pulled the exact same bullshit you are now and he won because of it.

My reluctance to claim my name paints me as suspicious but the 10 million suspicious ACTIVE ACTIONS other people have taken don't paint them as suspicious? Actions > words people.

OpZ came out and explained why he was lurking. Just like you explained why you had a scumslip that's been confirmed now (1 KP Mafia). I gave my thoughts on OpZ already.

I will gladly martyr if that is the only way to get the Town back on the right track. I'm not going to survive a nuke. I do not have antinukes. Hit me with one and you can find my name and my role and you can confirm for yourself why I am so against nameclaims. Maybe then someone will listen to my analysis and get this Town back into the right atmosphere.
wat
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
July 09 2011 18:04 GMT
#1958
i think that chaos in the name of caller game is pretty shoddy town behavior. so stop it.

ym/sand/syllo saying a lot of things but it all depends on opz defense .. mostly i think they're picking a target who they are sure they can get lynched because they want to direct attention away from themselves .. i don't think all are scum though but i'm still suspicious of ym/sand especially because of yms original claim appearing to be less legit than chaos

pretty much i don't think town is supposed to win this game unless some of you have some insane role you can't reveal .. i'm not gonna vote watchtower 'cause if town can't behave then they deserve to die .. no idea what i'm voting bth
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 09 2011 18:04 GMT
#1959
The reason for nameclaim is that it's extremelly unconfortable for mafia to do it. They have to either claim someone low key or wait until many players of a faction have claimed already so they can be safe. It reduces town's targets and makes it easier to find scum.
If I did not make it clear before, I don't care for your special win conditions. Since you haven't claimed you are under heavy scrutiny. Deal with it =P.
Fake roleclaiming in CCM was used as last resort and is not something mafia is willing to do unless they need to. It's very hard to fake a plausible role and explain your actions acordingly. It's not in anyway relevant to this game though, since I'm not asking for roles, I'm asking names. You can be against it for your own reasons, but you can't argue it isn't pro-town.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 09 2011 18:09 GMT
#1960
@curu Did you not read the post I quoted from opz? Did you read my analysis? You are merelly commenting on opz's lurker behaviour, which really does not mean much, not the incriminating post.
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