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lurker check that's hilarious rol <3 /in | ||
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Does "as soon as a mod sees your shot it will be updated immediately" apply for the regular Vigilante as well? | ||
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On June 28 2011 11:59 Eiii wrote: he's just taking advantage of the lurker-killing mechanic to softclaim a KP role, I wouldn't worry about it too much. Ahh yes but which KP role, Vig/MH/Scum? @Wiggles, I'd shoot straight into anyone that's been on the lurker list for more than a day. No point letting a lurker live when you have the power to take them out. | ||
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On June 28 2011 12:13 hiro protagonist wrote: Sup town! I am 100% behind Gmarshal about lurkers/trolls. that is all I have to say about that. so everyone, lets get into it: towns lurker KP should be used once any lurker list is up. As such, I doubt very much that we will need to do a policy lynch on lurkers (which is something I almost always advocate). Conversely: mafia, with the lurker mod on, will try and be spammy. Vigs, please,please,PLEASE, just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense. Do not do this, Vig you should be targeting who they feel is scum, not anyone that is spammy. First off, scum are not stupid, they won't be spamming up the thread for the sake of spamming the thread. Second, by saying "just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense" in the thread will obviously signal scum to be very delicate and careful with their posting. FoS on you for this, it's a very flawed plan, everyone knows what a lurker is and what's not, if someone appears to be spammy and their playstyle lines up with scum then go ahead and shoot them but as soon as you start directing who the Vig should hit publically is when mafia get an advantage. | ||
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On June 28 2011 12:24 chaos13 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 28 2011 12:20 youngminii wrote: On June 28 2011 12:13 hiro protagonist wrote: Sup town! I am 100% behind Gmarshal about lurkers/trolls. that is all I have to say about that. so everyone, lets get into it: towns lurker KP should be used once any lurker list is up. As such, I doubt very much that we will need to do a policy lynch on lurkers (which is something I almost always advocate). Conversely: mafia, with the lurker mod on, will try and be spammy. Vigs, please,please,PLEASE, just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense. Do not do this, Vig you should be targeting who they feel is scum, not anyone that is spammy. First off, scum are not stupid, they won't be spamming up the thread for the sake of spamming the thread. Second, by saying "just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense" in the thread will obviously signal scum to be very delicate and careful with their posting. FoS on you for this, it's a very flawed plan, everyone knows what a lurker is and what's not, if someone appears to be spammy and their playstyle lines up with scum then go ahead and shoot them but as soon as you start directing who the Vig should hit publically is when mafia get an advantage. Does that really warrant an FoS? Are you willing to vote to back that up right now? Things like this should be kept in mind and used as evidence later on in the day phase when you actually have enough information and evidence to confidently label someone as scum. What it seems like here is that you're pushing a scum agenda trying to create an anti-town atmosphere of paranoia and weakly based suspicion. I respectfully disagree with your philosophy of not being aggressive against anyone. More pressure = more slip ups, that's the point. Just don't take it personally and bandwagon it etc. | ||
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Also, Can Medics protect someone EVERY 36 hours with no downtime? Or do they have a 12 hour buffer zone where they can't protect? | ||
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Good one hiro, Varpulis, you're a GMarshal clone, your post is exactly like his opening post. I imagine there will be an epic power struggle between you two for the role of town leader, then once the game is over the winner of said power struggle will flip red. Go at it! | ||
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By lists I mean "list of experienced players", lists of people you find scummy or lurkers etc. are perfectly fine. | ||
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On June 28 2011 14:46 DropBear wrote: Show nested quote + On June 28 2011 14:38 GMarshal wrote: A pro-town atmosphere is one in which it is possible to scumhunt and read the thread without having to wade through crap. Its explained in Ver's town guide, but basically it means no mud flinging, no beating dead horses, avoiding unjustified OMGUS and generally behaving as gentlemen towards each other. If we do this we can generate and use information, it will also encourage newer posters to post. Thats the theory at least ^_^ To achieve this don't random FoS, treat even stupid ideas with respect (shoot them down, but theres no need to say "God you moron, you suck" just shoot it down) and behave in a way that makes people *want* to post and listen to what you have to say. Also that post you pointed out is also similar to my post in the first 4 min of Closed Casket Mafia . Its a stylistic choice, and I really like the pictures of the grim reaper (not to mention I have like 12 I had ready for CCM, but then I was killed... ;_;) . Plus I hate lurkers, and I needed a conversation starter, so I chose to talk about them. Any other questions? Ok thanks for clearing that up for me. Beating dead horses I can agree with, as with behaving like gentlemen and mud flinging. If you eliminate unjusitified OMGUS votes my entire town play just disappeared, I always just attack people who call me and other relative newcomers bad lol. I hadn't seen the Closed Casket game, fair enough. Get back to reaping sir! What do you think about the exchange between Henry VI and Edward I? Are you giving an excuse to play differently in this game than other games? Perhaps you just want to justify your actions for later in the game, it's okay I'd do it too ^_^ GM I'll answer for Dropbear. I have indeed formed an opinion of ym and it is one of utmost respect. He is such a lively fellow who takes his time to shoot fireballs at anyone and everyone who posts because as we all know, scum are particularly vulnerable to fire. He seems to be trying to weed out any and all mafia before they can get slip out of sight and cause town to kill itself. I do have one qualm about his posts though, he seems to interchange the words scum and mafia often and this bothers me. Hyaach I want you to answer me: Why did you first speak out and say "blues should not kill whoever they want" and then retract your statement by saying "blues should kill whoever they feel is scummy"? Did you get scared when we called you out on it? Did you decide not to post anymore because you've attracted too much attention? What's your opinion of me, am I a quack or am I being helpful to town? Don't forget to post your reasons, ta <3 | ||
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On June 28 2011 14:55 sandroba wrote: Okay, I'm going to go completely against everything that's been said so far. Mafia are not dumb. They are very likely NOT going to lurk in this game. People should NOT be shooting into the lurker list until later or only if this becomes a real problem. You guys can argue WIFOM all you want, but I'm willing to bet mafia won't find themselves in the lurker list any time soon. Also we shall not make any lists this game. We will discuss 2-3 players at a time and leave blues to act on their own. I shall start discussing YM. You pretty much started being agressive as always, but I feel after Mafia XLII you must have learned already that this is gonna lead us to endless confusion, no? My opinion is that you are abusing your town meta this game, throwing pointless flawed acusations like there's no tomorrow. Makes a lot of sense as scum trying to hide their colors doesn't it? It does make a lot of sense but I seriously just have to throw it out there: My scum play is even worse than my town play, if you can imagine. You say I've thrown around pointless flawed accusations but I haven't really, in XLII I tunneled 2 people with lengthy analyses but this game I've done no such thing, nothing of the sort although I am trying to maintain the same level of aggressiveness. I agree with you that arguing WIFOM is stupid though. Who gives a flying fuck who the mafia are gonna shoot on that list (well the medic does but discussing it isn't going to help), all you're going to do is waste valuable time and space and confuse everyone and everything. | ||
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That was completely unexpected, I've never played a nightless game before. I'm going to assume that it was a scum hit? The mafia were clearly trying to blue snipe and LSB seemed as if he was creating a plan. This leads me to believe the scum misinterpreted this as a Vet (no not experienced player, I mean the actual role) trying to make a good plan/trap to catch scum. My guess? The mafia roleblocked him and killed him hoping he was a Vet or at least a blue. If the above is true, then this is a best case scenario for us as it means no other blue role will be roleblocked today. | ||
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Since someone is already dead, your save today won't count for jack. If you save someone 1 minute (okay you can be a little more relaxed on this lol) before the end of the day, then your save will overlap to tomorrow and you get to save another person as soon as your first save expires. Catch my drift? | ||
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On June 28 2011 15:49 youngminii wrote: Since someone is already dead, your save today won't count for jack. If you save someone 1 minute (okay you can be a little more relaxed on this lol) before the end of the day, then your save will overlap to tomorrow and you get to save another person as soon as your first save expires. Catch my drift? Scratch this, I was operating under the assumption that mafia only had 1KP. I don't know why, complete fail by me. | ||
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If you're going to make snide (rude) remarks about the people you are accusing, at least check your facts before blatantly throwing around 'facts'. I'm not impressed by the way you're handling yourself this game but I'm fairly certain you're not a scum. If I was a DT and I was suspicious of GM, I would check him. I'm not going to tell you to do it though since we're operating a "do what you want" policy this game afaik. | ||
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"Only one power can be used per day. A detective is limited to one lurker check per 3 Days." is why. Basically what you should be seeing is that lurkers are worthless to the town cause. They should be killed and the threat of being killed should discourage people from lurking. This is why I'm advocating killing anyone that's on a lurker list for more than one day. Detective checks are more important than Vig kills in that they can only choose to either check normal people or people from the lurker list. | ||
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This is why the threat of being kicked into the lurker list is enough, while blues should do what they feel is best. Enough of this talk imo, I absolutely agree with TheAwesomeAll's post but there's soo many people who basically haven't posted yet either. I'm going to head out for a bit and I'll stop clogging up the thread until more people have posted. Ciao ^o^ | ||
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I wasn't referring to TAA's most recent post, I meant the very length one up there. | ||
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the random bandwagon that has formed on sinani206 is nothing short of ridiculous, the arguments against him are completely unfounded and he has barely posted a defence, not that he normally does based on previous games anyway as a townie On June 28 2011 22:10 Palmar wrote: only problem with lynching sinani206 is that the last game I played with him his combo was: a) post fluff, lists and useless shit b) claim veteran c) get lynched. It's hard to analyse people who we know act super scummy as town anyway. But sure, he's the best idea so far, let's bandwagon this thing. if i hadn't seen you play in snmmiii i'd say you were 100% scum but you played exactly like this and it's just the wrong way to go, cease your ridiculousness right now i am satisfied with hyaach's answer to me more or less, i would now like to suggest a new lynch target syllogism he hasn't posted squat worth anything, all he's done is give a pretty damn blanket post regarding the setup his only real post in this thread is a bunch of "blues you should do this, but then maybe not because of that, but then you should be keeping this in mind... oh and we should avoid wifom" however, basically everything he has said creates wifom AND he's just lacing the thread with his 'content' posts without any scumhunting whatsoever, just making a post here and there very suspicious to me, much more so than sinani206 | ||
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On June 28 2011 21:29 syllogism wrote: This should go without saying, but don't post information regarding what you intend to use as a scum tell later on. A good player doing just that warrants a FoS. ironic | ||
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don't worry about palmar though, he's always like this i can only think of gmarshal as the best dt candidate for now okay i'm gonna head off now i'll be back when i wake up | ||
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If you are referring to your first post, I don't see how you can say your post was of substance when all you really said was "okay you can do this but then you can do that so I'm not sure what you should really do so you can just ignore all that if you want to" It's a bunch of WIFOM packed into a post that looked like content. You suggested we should coordinate who the Vig hits which is nonsense since it just gives scum extra sway into the vote while a Vig that relies on his own thinking is 100% sure that he's not being driven by scummy intentions. You're never going to find scum when your idea is to find someone that's posting seemingly too much, everyone knows this. My vote is going to you now. | ||
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On June 29 2011 00:23 syllogism wrote: Furthermore, you should read your own post history and attempt to find things that are "worth anything" and could be characterized as scum hunting. Hint: there's nothing to be found. This is not OMGUS, it's just a statement of a fact and as you know, 12 hours into day 1 is hardly when any decent analysis is to be expected. You're right. Let's just all post blanket statements since there's clearly nothing we can do on Day 1. Orrrrrr we can actually do something and maybe that will be cause for analysis for LATER and give us information for LATER. What do you think of GMarshal? Do you think TAA has any justification in his accusations? | ||
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The Palmar lynch I can completely understand. He's terrible yada he likes bandwagons he just wants to kill people etc. I KNOW This is his town play. Sure, there's a possibility that he's mafia and he's hiding behind his regular town meta (unlikely) but this is just him, you can't do anything about that. In fact, I've heard his scum play is excellent (never seen it myself), if so why would he post like a poor town? Anyway, between hiro drazerk syllo I'm gonna go with syllo. I firmly believe that both hiro and syllo are scum at this very moment, drazerk's posts are too shallow to make a judgement out of. For syllo, some of you are arguing that his first post about helping direct blues should relieve him as that is clearly town favoured. Wrong, go read that post again, it's a very heavily veiled post that doesn't actually help anyone. Do you really think a medic won't know that the last 6 hours of a day is unhittable? What syllo does is point this out, then says but medics shouldn't save straight away because scum will hit in the 6 hours before the last 6, but then it's up to the medics because if we tell them what to do scum will abuse it etc. etc. Then in the next paragraph he completely nullifies everything he said by saying "But nah, you can ignore everything I said if you want". Just remember, lots of scum like to make a huge 'helpful' post at the start to appear as townie as they can. I've seen this first hand. Every post he has made until Palmar calling him out has been extremely neutral and unhelpful to the town cause. As soon as Palmar gets to him, syllo OMGUS votes Palmar? Yeah and there was the whole EXTREMELY WEAK hiro voting for syllo for 'pressure' and after like a one liner from syllo hiro backs off. Best candidate, by far. Easily. | ||
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Do not bring shit from outside the game unless it is meta related. I expect anything about them to be ignored from here on in. | ||
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On June 29 2011 13:31 Varpulis wrote: Show nested quote + On June 29 2011 13:08 Palmar wrote: On June 29 2011 13:06 Varpulis wrote: On June 29 2011 12:58 Palmar wrote: Whatever, if you guys insist on clearing people on STUFF THAT ISN'T IN THE GAME, I'm going to do the same. Syllo popped on IRC at some point today and asked "does GF always submit mafia kills when he is still alive?". This doesn't paint him scum, again, generally I'd assume the guy could ask his scum team, but I'm not eating up some bullshit excuse that he's probably blue. he has one stupid out-of-the-game thing going for him, and one against him. I'd rather that NEITHER were brought up as an issue, but since someone is using that to defend him, I'm going to use that to accuse him. I don't suppose that you have proof? I don't recall bringing up outside of game evidence. Asking questions in the thread is inside the game evidence. Posting about the setup, roles, and mechanics during the game is inside the game evidence. His meta is not, but that isn't my main point. I even admitted that it's WifoM. yah, exactly, this is wifom. I can paste the IRC logs? But how about you look at the evidence at hand, the fact that he has posted almost exclusively blanket statements, the fact that he OMGUS'd me without the balls to put a vote on me with it, the fact that his defense relies on some analysis of mechanics that anyone wanting town credit could've done. I'd much rather you look at what I said in the post I voted against him and judged him on that. Bloody hell, you just don't stop, do you? Could you actually go read that big post about mechanics, and honestly tell me if you, as a mafia member, would post that just to gain town cred? Gonna say it again. It wasn't helpful. It was a whole bunch of WIFOM. Mafia like making a huge post that looks helpful to gain town cred. Seriously, can you actually re-read it please? | ||
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What syllo posted wasn't helpful to medics/blues in a strategical or tactical manner, which is what blues usually fail at. What he posted was semantics about the time restrictions, basically the real time aspects of it. The real time aspects were simple as shit to figure out, in essence what he said is this (for the medic part, which he ended up saying "you can ignore if you want" anyway). A medic protects someone for 36 hours. No one can be hit in the last 6 hours. Therefore, a medic should protect someone in the first 42 hours of each day. DO YOU REALLY think there's someone stupid enough not be able to figure that out on their own? | ||
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If you go back and read his posts he explicitly says "DT don't bother checking GM, if he's scum he's definitely GF so it would be a waste". To which I agree. Hence Drazerk is our best target. You can argue on whether or not he checked him but it doesn't really matter, he's the best target going on from the information we have. If you don't agree then there's either something seriously wrong with you or you're scum, plain and simple. In any case, he tunneled Drazerk pretty damn hard, I didn't agree with his opinions at all but here we are. | ||
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Could he have just tunneled Drazerk without a check? Yes. But it's just as likely that he did check him, we don't know for sure. What I'm trying to say is, Drazerk is the most logical lynch based on the information we have. You seriously want to lynch VisceraEyes for his somewhat questionable actions? It's not THAT scummy to prioritise him over the guy that the DT was gunning for. | ||
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I said I wouldn't vote him if it was just based on the analysis against him. However, with the whole DT thing I believe his lynch would be completely justified. @syllo, I somewhat agree and I was considering whether or not my vote on him is justified (I still think it is) and then I came across this: On June 29 2011 08:56 Drazerk wrote: Well looks like I am dead, At least when I am dead ill flip green Proving GM is innocent. Was bound to happen as I am always day 1 lynch suspect. When I die you will be at a disadvantage but at least you will have a Guaranteed Townie. ( Medics better defend him don't let my death be in vain ) I'm off to bed I am sick of this "nah i'm dead anyway i'm off see ya" attitude. I've been seeing this far too often lately and I'll be more than happy to policy lynch this. People speak of creating pro-town conditions? This is just about as anti-town as you can get. This attitude where you roll over and die is absolutely unacceptable. We have to create a town meta where this will get punished, just like lurkers getting policy lynched and what not. tl;dr kill drazerk | ||
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On June 30 2011 02:50 sandroba wrote: Okay, half your analysis is based on other players aligment. Let me say this, if you think GM or whoever else is scum go ahead and vote for him. The fact that Drazerk defended GM says nothing. Every aligment has resons to defend town/scum (they trully believe they are town / defending teamates/ gaining town cred). They way he went about defending GM gets him town points in my book even if GM is scum. Only the first post you quoted I agree it can be interpreted as scum behaviour, but I don't think it's soliid enough to warrant this huge quickforming bandwagon. fuck yeah you are the towniest motherfucker in this entire thread hi5 palmar i wish you'd just stick to one guy, other than that i've enjoyed your more recent posts let me ask you this if we lynch visceraeyes and he flips red, what information do we gain? am i suddenly scum because chaos13 linked us together? i hardly think so if we lynch drazerk and he flips red, dear god we have a ton of information, syllo is under fire, gm is under fire, lots of the people that are on the viscera train are under fire then again, based on recent games they're both probably non-red lawlawlawl remember: lynching based on analysis on day 1 is relatively difficult and pretty luck based, i'm a lot more comfortable following a possible dt check | ||
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VIG KILL GM NO DOUBT, NO HESITATION kill DT day 1? HAH | ||
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Did you seriously think VisceraEyes was playing scummy? Think very carefully and reflect upon these words: He is not the one that played badly. YOU are. | ||
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Nup, no one will agree with you unless it's a closed setup. Only very special circumstances or game setup would justify a DT lynch, which I still would not agree with. Have fun dying, you are almost definitely the GF. | ||
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I just realised there's no point shooting him if VisceraEyes is lying ^_^ | ||
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I can't see him EVER doing that as a solid townie who actually wants to win the game. Target identified. Shoot on sight. Also, RoL played horribly in XLII (sorry RoL!) and you know that. Don't try to bullshit your way out of the situation you created for yourself. Even your 'advice' to the Vigs is null. Vig shots never overlap, it's ALWAYS first come first serve and you know that. | ||
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Someone shoot him already. | ||
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What I don't understand is that GM suggested that we should kill you and now he's 100% supportive of your role, baiting mafia to roleblock him. Does not make sense, I just don't understand. | ||
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On June 30 2011 13:36 GMarshal wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2011 13:34 chaos13 wrote: Oh hell do I feel like an idiot now. Sorry Viscera So do I! ^_^ *still* haven't been shot. Vigi's really need to get on that. What lynch targets are we considering for today? I'll make a quick list based on the voting patterns alone, disclaimer should not be used as fact blahblah not a guarantee syllogism sinani206 DropBear Cthsazsa ~Opz~ Jackal58 Mig gtrsrs Palmar Varpulis GGQ Vain chaos13 aprudds Hyaach I'd expect most of the scum to lay in this list. Remember, this list is based solely off the voting patterns so a few of these can be stricken (like Palmar). Take your pick but you really shouldn't choose anyone outside of this list. | ||
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WHAT ARE YOUR OPINIONS ON PALMAR'S CONSTANT VOTE SWITCHING? DO YOU THINK VISCERAEYES COULD BE SCUM AND TRYING SOME GOSU STRATEGY? i hope the caps created a sense of urgency for your caffeinated brain | ||
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On June 30 2011 14:07 GMarshal wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2011 14:01 gtrsrs wrote: the caps have put me into a heightened sense of focus, I DON'T HAVE TIME TO FRY EGGS, I MUST EXPLAIN MY THOUGHTS NOW i think i've explained how i feel about GMarshal pretty well. TAA was onto something early, GMarshal acted in a very scummy way, but he has a "rep" which lets him slide with that kind of bullshit. my scumbell was ding ding dingalinging when he pulled the "oh yeah, i wasn't really suspicious of TAA, i was just gauging reactions" card. he's doing essentially what iGrok did in XL, which is to be all haughty and beg for others' opinions of him and DT checks (which he knows will come back green as he is the godfather). he's now softclaimed vigi and hardclaimed vet, but still hasn't taken a shot. every second that passes makes me think he's mafia tbh. Drazerk's buddy-buddying isn't helping his case either MORE QUESTIONS I was going to reply to this, but you know what, I wont. Bolded part never happened, I also never suggested I was a Vigi. I did claim vet, and guess what, easy as hell to confirm. I never, ever asked for a dt check and *all* my behavior has been pro-town. That is all. And Drazek budding up to me should tell you something, but go on and let the mafia sway your opinions. ^_^ Anyway, I'm done defending myself, where is my bullet so I can get to scumhunting? I'm tired and I want to sleep. feel free to scumhunt, nobody is stopping you we just won't take your words seriously until we get confirmation in fact, it's BETTER to state all your opinion now if a vig hits you and you lose your extra life, what's going to stop scum from shooting you afterwards? therefore you should get everything you want off your chest and all your suspicions so we can read it if you die | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On June 30 2011 13:41 youngminii wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2011 13:36 GMarshal wrote: On June 30 2011 13:34 chaos13 wrote: Oh hell do I feel like an idiot now. Sorry Viscera So do I! ^_^ *still* haven't been shot. Vigi's really need to get on that. What lynch targets are we considering for today? I'll make a quick list based on the voting patterns alone, disclaimer should not be used as fact blahblah not a guarantee syllogism I've already argued my case against him, he's so lolscum and I am voting for him sinani206 I dunno, I can see him being scum but as of right now I don't have anything to accuse him of DropBear I'm leaning towards scummy on this guy but syllogism is a much better lynch Cthsazsa Can't figure him out, either newbie or scummy which doesn't really help ~Opz~ Same as DropBear Jackal58 Pretty townie imo until I'm told otherwise Mig Holy is this guy flying under the radar or what? Guess I missed most of his posts considering he's not on the lurker list gtrsrs Pretty townie judging by his last few posts Palmar One of my main sources of entertainment this game, I'd be sad to see him go, probably townie although he may need a DT check in the near future Varpulis I'm leaning scum, I'm awaiting an analysis of him from someone else because I can't seem to pinpoint anything, will look again though GGQ Flying under the radar, made it on the lurker list, what can I say? No clue Vain I heard people having scum doubts on him, to me he's been under the radar, I will need to go back and check his posts chaos13 Same as Cthsazsa although a tad more scummy aprudds Unfortunate replacement so no idea, if a DT is going to use their 2 lurker check instead of their single check, I strongly suggest you check this guy (Mataza now) since he has less posts that we can suss out Hyaach Lurker list, not enough info, I'd shoot him if he spends another day on the list though I'd expect most of the scum to lay in this list. Remember, this list is based solely off the voting patterns so a few of these can be stricken (like Palmar). Take your pick but you really shouldn't choose anyone outside of this list. tl;dr kill syllogism | ||
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Might be too late though. Kill syllo. | ||
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On June 30 2011 18:17 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2011 18:11 syllogism wrote: If your action is on a timer and you are roleblocked, do you get the notified of the roleblock immediately lol stop soft-claiming and just ask the hosts in pm. the funny part is 1. he's not soft claiming a specific role, just that he's blue 2. there's absolutely no reason/point to soft claim at this point in the game 3. he's pointing a target on his back for mafia unless he's a vet who's trying to take a hit which i highly doubt conclusion? he's scum Lynch syllogism 2011! | ||
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Still gunning for you lalalala syllogism is scum etc. etc. | ||
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First: Misunderstanding the mechanics of a new game for a few posts is not scummy AT ALL. This was literally for like 10 minutes where I forgot Mafia had 3KP and I've been called out on it like 5 times already, give it a break. Second: When I say "I assume that was a scum hit", that's basically me saying "I'm sure that's a scum hit", it doesn't take a genius to figure that out. Third: I did think GM was a good DT target, and then TAA came in and corrected me by logically deducing that GM would very likely be GF if he was scum. I agreed but I didn't voice my agreement because I didn't want to spam up the thread, instead I simply stopped saying DTs should check GM. Fourth: When did I actually say I'll come out and do an analysis in the first place? Why are you expecting this of me? Fifth: Analysis =/= post by posts. Pointing out someone's actions and why they relate to scum = analysis, which I have done. Sixth: I had no opinion on Drazerk, so what? The evidence that was on the table was our DT had been tunneling Drazerk and without a better candidate he's obviously the logical lynch. Seventh: If you really think the 'analysis' on VisceraEyes was legitimate and should have been taken seriously, then you need to work on your scumhunting skills and I am clearly wasting my time trying to respond to you. Eighth: I never said GM was townie, in fact I still think he's pretty damn scummy. However he claimed Vet and if a Vig shoots him that's the best way to confirm him so why would I want to lynch him? Ninth: Why are you making it all about VisceraEyes vs Drazerk? Mafia isn't about getting two people and herding everyone into voting for one of them. You seem to think that because I thought VisceraEyes was townie, I should be inclined to vote for Drazerk. This sir, is a flaw in logic. Tenth: Why do you keep taking things out of context? When I said Drazerk would be a good lynch for information, I say that as an extra benefit. At that point I was trying to convince people on the VisceraEyes bandwagon to switch to Drazerk. The point I was trying to make was that on TOP of the evidence already against Drazerk (TAA's tunneling mostly) there was the added benefit of information. I appreciate you taking the time to try and get me lynched and I hope this response was fitting. Lynch syllogism 2011! | ||
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I'm currently co-hosting Closed Casket Mafia and I've been following the game very closely for entertainment purposes. That game only has 1KP and I accidentally brought that line of thinking when I was making the post where I slipped. Hope this can reassure some people as to why I made a silly (more like lolnoob) mistake. I still don't see how it's that scummy though. | ||
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Context: Mig had been very aggressively trying to get VisceraEyes lynched. Then: + Show Spoiler + On June 30 2011 03:27 Mig wrote: I am back! I am voting drazerk. Just quick word on my reasons why. A) Not sure if the dt did actually check him but there is probably some % chance that he could have. B) Townies more often tend to let their actions speak for them where as mafia try and make a town play then point it out for everyone to see. Draz makes a martyr post then immediately links to a game where he did the same as townie. This just sets off immediate warning bells to me because he wasn't really just giving up like his post was saying but instead was trying to copy his play as town from a previous game and hope people would notice. This just strikes me as a very scum thing to do. Quick thoughts on a couple others Visceyes - Not nearly as aggressive as he normally is as town, makes a ton of non committal posts where he really contributes nothing. Also like I said earlier scum post when it is convenient for them not for the town. Anyone who promises analysis then fails to deliver should make everyone extremely suspicious. Would be an excellent vig shot. GM - GM may actually have real life issues he is dealing with but we can't really know. But he did promise the town analysis that he hasn't delivered on. He just stopped in made one post saying people shouldn't link him and draz together then disappeared. If he does come back soon and make a good analysis it probably isn't an issue but for now I am a bit wary. Less than 30 minutes later: + Show Spoiler + On June 30 2011 03:54 Mig wrote: Actually after re reading. I have changed my mind. I am more inclined to agree with chaos about VE. Visc hasn't just promised once saying he was going to make analysis but has done it repeatedly. He then provides absolutely nothing for the town, takes 0 stands on any players and when pressured he rushes out an analysis on draz (the person most analyzed by other players already). And really it just seems so opposite from Visc's normal town play. His opinions are often wrong but he has strong opinions and he has no fear expressing them and attacking other people. This game has been pretty much the polar opposite. The vote switch itself is quite scummy, but then again if Palmar does it every 5 minutes If you can get past the fact that he made this scummy vote switch, then you'll see that his posts actually have a lot of consistency, something you won't find a lot of scum doing. Mig wanted VisceraEyes dead for a while because he wasn't playing according to his meta. He even states this in the first quote how VisceraEyes usually plays a very aggressive townie and this didn't fit. This actually makes perfect sense, considering how VisceraEyes claimed DT and I think Mig pointed this out himself. As a DT you're less likely to stick your head out which completely lines up with everything Mig had against VisceraEyes. My opinion? Town. | ||
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On June 30 2011 23:28 syllogism wrote: Though early on Youngminii made a weird comment about our "only DT" dying. If there's no roleblocker, would that indicate there's only one dt Ahh you've got a keen eye lol I actually wanted to edit that to change it but I'm not allowed to and I didn't want to spam up unnecessary posts. By only DT I meant the only confirmed DT. Anyway syllo I went through your recent posts and I'm pretty damn satisfied. I'll unvote you in a sec. On a related note, a while ago I was coming up with random theories and by the end of it I basically determined that you and chaos are opposite alignments. I'll go through my line of thinking soon (if I can retrace my train of thought) but I had come to the conclusion that one of you were scum and you seemed to be scummier so I pressed for you. It's also easier to gauge your reactions since I've actually seen you play before, I've never seen chaos play so yeah. | ||
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I went through chaos13's posts and he's so god damn pro-town. Looks like my vote is staying on you buddy. | ||
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surely it wouldn't hurt to tell us, right? | ||
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syllogism sinani206 Varpulis (pending check) Vain | ||
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July 01 2011 00:22 GMT
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the fuck happened you all devolved into a pack of ravenous wolves or something i don't even why are you possibly getting rid of our vet when we can have someone shoot him? on that note, why HASN'T anyone shot him yet | ||
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July 01 2011 00:35 GMT
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On July 01 2011 09:31 Eiii wrote: that's the thing, even if he does get shot the only word we have to go on is GM's, unless we want a vig to claim (which I assume we don't). we lose nothing if a one shot vig claims if gm really is mafia then his only option would be a scummate claiming which is far too risky and well worth it for us if he doesn't get shot by the end of the day we'll lynch him | ||
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July 01 2011 02:05 GMT
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We're doing pretty well though, 2 mafia down ^_^ | ||
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July 02 2011 00:17 GMT
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why am i getting hanged | ||
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July 02 2011 00:23 GMT
#1265
okay well i might as well claim i'm mad hatter, my only bomb is on hiro right now which i planted on the first day i then changed my bombs to dropbear and opz (lurker bomb) on the second day, which is why when dropbear died (go look at the posts following his deaths) i seemed frustrated that the vig shot him, you can also see me dropping breadcrumbs about my death, "i'd have to be mad to etc.etc." unfortunately i found out quite late that i had been roleblocked day 2 and so my bomb is still on hiro there you go i warned you | ||
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July 02 2011 00:25 GMT
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anyway this game is basically in the bag so whatever i'm still curious as to how this bandwagon on me started | ||
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July 02 2011 00:30 GMT
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That makes sense I guess, the only thing I can say is chaos13's play is /facepalm worthy. | ||
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July 02 2011 00:30 GMT
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July 02 2011 00:33 GMT
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July 02 2011 00:34 GMT
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July 02 2011 00:37 GMT
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On July 01 2011 00:40 youngminii wrote: Good snipe but you REALLY should have shot GMarshal. I am disappoint. On July 01 2011 00:47 youngminii wrote: syllo is right, I made a distinct effort to avoid talking about DropBear. Basically DropBear showed pretty huge scum behaviour, any town KP role worth his weight would have targeted him. This tells us our Vig is very competent ^_^ On July 01 2011 00:52 youngminii wrote: But I didn't claim credit, I'd have to be mad to try and take credit for something I had no part of. o.o Me leaving breadcrumbs right after DropBear's death. | ||
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July 02 2011 00:38 GMT
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July 02 2011 00:44 GMT
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+ Show Spoiler + supersoft replaced sinani206. I'd lynch supersoft, I have no opinion on sinani201 but if he's the other lynch candidate.. | ||
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July 02 2011 00:55 GMT
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i know it's a bit off topic but are you fucking serious man this goes to anyone that gets on a lurker list, if you're directly trying to screw your team over then good job, you've done it | ||
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July 02 2011 01:45 GMT
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IS EPIC WOW | ||
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July 02 2011 01:57 GMT
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I seriously can't believe both of the major Day 1 lynch candidates were both scum. That almost never happens. | ||
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July 02 2011 02:07 GMT
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On July 02 2011 11:04 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Also, here's some simple logic: We have one person we're pretty sure is scum Everyone else we have to bandwagon on with three hours left, and without discussion We have one lynch tonight We have lurker kills tomorrow So, we lynch the person we are pretty sure is scum now, and that gives us enough time to make actual analysis against the other people, some of whom will certainly be on the lurker lists. As opposed to: Save the only person who has concrete analysis against him to shoot him the next day Scramble to find someone else to lynch and hope they're not town (Or in Palmar's case not really care) Now, what makes more sense? My vote is staying on Hiro, for lack of better reasoning on others. Good Night. This post seems scummy to me. For lack of a better target, I am voting you. | ||
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July 02 2011 04:12 GMT
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On July 02 2011 12:44 Mataza wrote: Show nested quote + On July 02 2011 06:54 VisceraEyes wrote: :O NOOOOOOOOO That means I'm in all likelihood the last DT...no pressure or anything. @syllo and everyone concerned about the timing of my Draz check The fact of the matter is that I didn't SAVE my check, I checked him about an hour after I first could. The reasoning was based on meta, admittedly. Remember what I said about martyrs? I followed SNMMIV because SNMMII was my first game here and I bore witness to his little ploy in that game. I didn't like it then, in spite of him being town all along. I thought he might try the same nonsense in this game so I wanted to find out his alignment RIGHT off the bat. Not much of a reason, but there isn't much of a reason to do anything that early in the game...from what I gather, blues typically have to wait until after d1 to make any checks, which is AMPLE time to have sufficient reason to check someone. Also, regarding my Kenpachi vote, I've played a couple of games with this guy and I've read some too...he's active when town, to the point of annoyance sometimes. I guess I just missed the guy. It was really just a pressure vote, but I felt it was justified because of his inactivity / presence on the lurker list. If he was still on the lurker list tomorrow, he was my #1 priority to check. I'm reading over 206 and YM's posts now...I was leaning pretty town on YM before, so I'm starting with him. I can´t believe Viscera actually submitted this post. 1. If you would check someone based on meta from SNMM4, I think it would gtrsrs(I think no one else from that game is in here) 2. Kenpachi is active when..... actually never to my knowledge. Didn´t read everything yet, but is this post the reason VE got shot? i assume the reason he got shot is the crap that he was posting was becoming more and more suspicious and desperate AND because 2 dts flipped (TAA/drazerk) so a 3rd dt was unlikely | ||
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July 02 2011 06:55 GMT
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so who should i put my bombs on? | ||
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July 02 2011 06:57 GMT
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July 02 2011 07:00 GMT
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July 02 2011 07:06 GMT
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^_^ | ||
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July 02 2011 07:06 GMT
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July 02 2011 07:11 GMT
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it's FIFTEEN against one do you know how ridiculously easy that is and the one is obvious as fuck too | ||
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July 02 2011 07:12 GMT
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even easier | ||
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July 02 2011 09:20 GMT
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currently selecting two people of my own choosing to ruthlessly blow up | ||
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July 03 2011 15:41 GMT
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any issues with that? too bad | ||
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July 04 2011 02:34 GMT
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July 04 2011 06:37 GMT
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faaaaaaaaaaaaaail | ||
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July 04 2011 08:18 GMT
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@Mafia: You guys were too uncoordinated to do anything. Constantly bussing your teammates just because they're under pressure is not the way to go. gg | ||
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July 04 2011 08:42 GMT
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i don't think jackal's plan would have followed through i would have bombed him and eiii and then the plan would have been long forgotten, i have problems with the way jackal plays | ||
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