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On July 02 2011 08:10 Hyaach wrote:I agree its too much of a coincidence for VE's result. But if he isnt shot tomorrow by the mafia, we either have a bad medic or his just not a target for mafia. @gtrsrs Show nested quote +On July 02 2011 00:52 gtrsrs wrote:
and actually the case against hiro is pretty decent so i'd be willing to throw down a hiro vote you dont see to have too much of a problem jumping into any bandwagon. Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 14:13 gtrsrs wrote:On June 30 2011 14:09 youngminii wrote:On June 30 2011 14:07 GMarshal wrote:On June 30 2011 14:01 gtrsrs wrote:
the caps have put me into a heightened sense of focus, I DON'T HAVE TIME TO FRY EGGS, I MUST EXPLAIN MY THOUGHTS NOW
i think i've explained how i feel about GMarshal pretty well. TAA was onto something early, GMarshal acted in a very scummy way, but he has a "rep" which lets him slide with that kind of bullshit. my scumbell was ding ding dingalinging when he pulled the "oh yeah, i wasn't really suspicious of TAA, i was just gauging reactions" card. he's doing essentially what iGrok did in XL, which is to be all haughty and beg for others' opinions of him and DT checks (which he knows will come back green as he is the godfather). he's now softclaimed vigi and hardclaimed vet, but still hasn't taken a shot. every second that passes makes me think he's mafia tbh. Drazerk's buddy-buddying isn't helping his case either
MORE QUESTIONS I was going to reply to this, but you know what, I wont. Bolded part never happened, I also never suggested I was a Vigi. I did claim vet, and guess what, easy as hell to confirm. I never, ever asked for a dt check and *all* my behavior has been pro-town. That is all. And Drazek budding up to me should tell you something, but go on and let the mafia sway your opinions. ^_^ Anyway, I'm done defending myself, where is my bullet so I can get to scumhunting? I'm tired and I want to sleep. feel free to scumhunt, nobody is stopping you we just won't take your words seriously until we get confirmation in fact, it's BETTER to state all your opinion now if a vig hits you and you lose your extra life, what's going to stop scum from shooting you afterwards? therefore you should get everything you want off your chest and all your suspicions so we can read it if you die yeah, this it's like, drazerk just tried the martyring strategy and it didn't work at all now you're trying it? think second time is a charm? stop begging for hits (that won't come) and go bus your teammates some so we know who to lynch on day 3 Is GM next on the mafia lynching plate? You're only analysis was a reply to YM after your supposedly sarcastic reply to 201's post. In which you discussed about GM again. Wiped mud on Palmar's pretty pro-town play by not taking a clear stance and leave his alignment hanging in suspense . And then lastly try to help VE get a firm solid hold on his DT claim Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 13:54 youngminii wrote:
GTRSRS HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT GMARSHAL?
WHAT ARE YOUR OPINIONS ON PALMAR'S CONSTANT VOTE SWITCHING?
DO YOU THINK VISCERAEYES COULD BE SCUM AND TRYING SOME GOSU STRATEGY?
i hope the caps created a sense of urgency for your caffeinated brain Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 14:01 gtrsrs wrote:
the caps have put me into a heightened sense of focus, I DON'T HAVE TIME TO FRY EGGS, I MUST EXPLAIN MY THOUGHTS NOW
i think i've explained how i feel about GMarshal pretty well. TAA was onto something early, GMarshal acted in a very scummy way, but he has a "rep" which lets him slide with that kind of bullshit. my scumbell was ding ding dingalinging when he pulled the "oh yeah, i wasn't really suspicious of TAA, i was just gauging reactions" card. he's doing essentially what iGrok did in XL, which is to be all haughty and beg for others' opinions of him and DT checks (which he knows will come back green as he is the godfather). he's now softclaimed vigi and hardclaimed vet, but still hasn't taken a shot. every second that passes makes me think he's mafia tbh. Drazerk's buddy-buddying isn't helping his case either
as you can see from my first vote, palmar was my first suspect for mafia. i felt he had a very scummy statement leading into hopping on a bandwagon. he's since become a much stronger pro-town player - but i don't know if that's because (a)i called him out on his scumminess, (b)he saw a chance to hop on a noobscum with a bus, or (c)he actually is town and wants to lead. i'm leaning towards (c) but i won't rule out either of the other two. i read through all of PTP and he was a very passionate, active, albeit not always correct player. he seems to be just as gung-ho in this game so i'm fine with him taking the wheel for now. as long as scum keep popping up, i don't care how many people he votes for. as the game progresses, he'll obviously make a good DT check target the longer he stays in the "head boy" position
nope - visceraeyes seems legit to me. 2 legit. 2 legit 2 quit. i was forced into a roleclaim on d1 of SNMMIV so i sympathize for him. now that you've pointed out it could be a strategy that will be on the back of my mind, but again, as long as we keep flipping mafia instead of greens on lynches, i'm fine with him being alive for now.
MORE QUESTIONS
YOU GET POPPED TOMORROW!!!!!!!
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On July 02 2011 08:11 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2011 08:08 ~OpZ~ wrote:On July 02 2011 08:02 Palmar wrote:
Looks like I actually missed a person on my potential leader chart day 1.
I really like your style syllogism.
And yes, it's totally insane. let's hear his report tomorrow.
The cool part? He _doesn't_ tell us who he is investigating and he doesn't tell us the results until we're into the 6h before the lynch period, so he can't have his mafia buddies off the investigated person before we can call him out on the lie.
But not tonight
Tonight there shall be someone else hanging. I really would like you to stop posting....and possibly die. But I was more concerned in hitting 100% scum, not 70%....I think someone who can argue convincingly should take a look at you. Like YM, or Jackal. I can't. But you've wanted us to wait for VE for a while, and wanted me to hit GM all day. Fuck that. Go back to day 1 and check why VE was up for this whole thing anyway. (what's that, was it my aggressive push and analysis towards him that got him to fake that roleclaim in the first place?) But anyway, nice shot Opz.
Good point...I was with you too tho...He was spamming. It was bugging me. What's it to you?!
I just haven't seen you posting like you were at VE since then. Time draining my memory away. No one's been pressuring, and I've been away most of the day.
Atleast now, I think I'll be left alone about this lurking shit -_-....*afk next 32 hours*
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On July 02 2011 08:11 GMarshal wrote:Sure. Keep telling yourself that. But people were listening to him, no one doubted his report on Visc. So tell me, how does your argument that I am scum based on wanting to lynch the DT stand now? Does it look... weaker? What are the arguments for me being scum now? Other than defending Drazek, which I will admit was a blunder on my part. Again, I'm cool with confirm shooting me tomorrow, but at least this makes the majority of the arguments against me null and void.
No....You get Comp vig'd tomorrow. Hush your face.
Matter of fact, you might make lurker list tonight, so I might shoot you myself.
LETS LOOK AT THIS SITUATION WILL WE?!
1 mafia up for lynch - newb
another mafia up for lynch - fake claims DT
Gmarshal -being god father- "LETS LYNCH THE DT, MAKE SURE HE'S DT" knowing the DT is scum and that the action basically *confirms* Drazek, or at least creates doubt, THE SCUM THAT WAS BUDDYING HIM ALL DAY....Ya dig?
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On July 02 2011 08:23 gtrsrs wrote:
mafia shot viscera
i'm calling it right now
also surprise surprise GMarshal pops back in from his real life dilemma to try to start a late bandwagon
my scumbell lost some of its confidence when i pushed for a lynch on Xedat on a scumtell i was 100% sure of and he flipped green
was hyaach's case really decent? really? i don't think so. all he did was highlight my short posts and go LOOK SCUM. i retain that i haven't done anything remotely scummy this game and all my actions have been pro-town
note that i'm not counter-accusing him. i don't think he's scum, just overeager townie
anyways i'm 100% sure GMarshal is scum, still. he's trying to prod me into insulting him so i get modkilled. it's exactly the same way aprudds got me riled up in SNMMIV and derailed the town. GMarshal was the moderator so he is just trying to repeat the same tactic. but where aprudds was just misreading something, GMarshal is doing it intentionally to derail town.
*yawn*
Hey, you were defending me earlier...I appreciate it, n all, but if you're scum you knew I was town. =D
Oh, can I get a MEDIC?!
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On July 02 2011 08:26 gtrsrs wrote:
wait i'm just reading ~opZ~'s posts
are you claiming vigi then? x_x
and you're claiming the hit on VE? nice shot but
why haven't you shot GM yet?
...I don't need to answer why I haven't shot GM yet. I didn't want to shoot GM. It was that simple. I'm not sold on him being scum. Now stop asking me about it. I've claimed VIG already. I've claimed hitting VE. I hit Scum with my hit. Are you telling me hitting Veteran is better than hitting Scum?
You people are ridiculous. I didn't waste me hit and you question me for it. The Comp Vig can hit him tomorrow.
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On July 02 2011 08:32 gtrsrs wrote:
actually come to think of it
if the mafia hit VE who was under a ton of pressure anyways
then claimed vig
they would be trying to lure the real vig out so they could snipe him immediately tomorrow morning
so i think if you are the real vig (which would mean ~opZ~ is lying) then you shouldn't claim
not that i expect this scenario but
that's what should happen if that's the case
LMAO....Dude...Gtfo... I claimed it instantly, AND I HIT RED. But here. Just to make you hush about mechanics:
Can Mafia hit another Mafia Member?
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...K, who thinks the medics should role claim? Think about it...two vigi's with lurker shots, medics claim, who are probably lurking anyway, mafia KP is what, 1? Won't need the medics protection, too many confirmed townies around here....
But plz discuss this, its just an idea.
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On July 02 2011 14:45 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2011 14:44 Mataza wrote:On July 02 2011 14:43 GMarshal wrote:On July 02 2011 14:41 ~OpZ~ wrote:
...K, who thinks the medics should role claim? Think about it...two vigi's with lurker shots, medics claim, who are probably lurking anyway, mafia KP is what, 1? Won't need the medics protection, too many confirmed townies around here....
But plz discuss this, its just an idea. 1.) How do you know scum won't fakeclaim?2.) How do you know we have medics? Seems like a less than brilliant idea to me... I would hope they do. It would mean we are 2 piss easy kills away from winning this. I dont understand how it helps. Say two medics claim and one is scum. How do you tell from that?
...Scum is either YM, or someone very low key...i.e. we'll be looking at the medics anyway (hypothetically)
I just assume we have medics? It was a thirty player game, so far with 2 vig's, a hatter, a comp vig, and (assuming YM is right) another hatter. He's going to suicide today, lowering the player base again. Me and the other vig both have lurker hits left, 2 more hits, plus our lynch....we have enough KP to find that mafia.
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On July 02 2011 14:45 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2011 14:44 Mataza wrote:On July 02 2011 14:43 GMarshal wrote:On July 02 2011 14:41 ~OpZ~ wrote:
...K, who thinks the medics should role claim? Think about it...two vigi's with lurker shots, medics claim, who are probably lurking anyway, mafia KP is what, 1? Won't need the medics protection, too many confirmed townies around here....
But plz discuss this, its just an idea. 1.) How do you know scum won't fakeclaim?2.) How do you know we have medics? Seems like a less than brilliant idea to me... I would hope they do. It would mean we are 2 piss easy kills away from winning this. I dont understand how it helps. Say two medics claim and one is scum. How do you tell from that?
Look at his posts. Analyze him. Kill one. I don't think we wont be able to kill...-_-...Jeez, we're just looking for one person out of 17 or 18....
I'm confirmed
Vig killed drop bear
YM is gonna blow up himself
Medics claiming would just shrink the pool of players to look through, because we don't need any protections to win....
I don't see how this is a problem. We would need 8 mislynches to lose if YM didn't blow up....
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On July 02 2011 14:57 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2011 14:53 ~OpZ~ wrote:On July 02 2011 14:45 GMarshal wrote:On July 02 2011 14:44 Mataza wrote:On July 02 2011 14:43 GMarshal wrote:On July 02 2011 14:41 ~OpZ~ wrote:
...K, who thinks the medics should role claim? Think about it...two vigi's with lurker shots, medics claim, who are probably lurking anyway, mafia KP is what, 1? Won't need the medics protection, too many confirmed townies around here....
But plz discuss this, its just an idea. 1.) How do you know scum won't fakeclaim?2.) How do you know we have medics? Seems like a less than brilliant idea to me... I would hope they do. It would mean we are 2 piss easy kills away from winning this. I dont understand how it helps. Say two medics claim and one is scum. How do you tell from that? Look at his posts. Analyze him. Kill one. I don't think we wont be able to kill...-_-...Jeez, we're just looking for one person out of 17 or 18.... I'm confirmed Vig killed drop bear YM is gonna blow up himself Medics claiming would just shrink the pool of players to look through, because we don't need any protections to win.... I don't see how this is a problem. We would need 8 mislynches to lose if YM didn't blow up.... Fair enough, I just don't really see the advantages to the whole medics claiming thing, but we can run with it. What are you going to do if no medics claim?
Eh? hang someone and possibly shoot someone.
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Can we get the Day 2 Lurker list? I'm sure that's what YM is waiting for, along with the other Vigi. Comp Vig, you should claim your shot, after you shoot of course. Mafia can't claim vig. Medics should really consider claiming. It doesn't matter if you die, it just narrows the list. Hell, I give to shits about dying, as should any townie/blue role at this point.
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...Oh damn....Sad face...
Anyway...Hyaaaaaaaach?! Good bomb target for YM?!?!
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On July 03 2011 01:53 syllogism wrote:
The scum team should just concede instead of making us waste time on this
Agreed. If he thinks he can go 8 days without being found out...Well...that's hilarious. Cuz I really don't mind lynching anyone. It'll take 3/4 days just to kill all the people "confirmed" if there is a medic that's refusing to claim, it'll take even longer, because he should be protecting myself and/or the other vig. I seriously should probably go read who claimed it again. Gmarshal is two hits to kill...
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On July 03 2011 02:10 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2011 01:58 ~OpZ~ wrote:On July 03 2011 01:53 syllogism wrote:
The scum team should just concede instead of making us waste time on this Agreed. If he thinks he can go 8 days without being found out...Well...that's hilarious. Cuz I really don't mind lynching anyone. It'll take 3/4 days just to kill all the people "confirmed" if there is a medic that's refusing to claim, it'll take even longer, because he should be protecting myself and/or the other vig. I seriously should probably go read who claimed it again. Gmarshal is two hits to kill... -__- Sinani201 claimed it and got hit Kinda sucks, that he got killed before the lurker list was produced so he couldn't use his hit. Like, you would be dead now too OpZ, without the chance to shoot today, if the mafia had 2kp. This is something that probably should be taken care of for the future, cause I really like the anti-lurker mechanic. Just make sure no one can die until the list has been produced, and of course get it up slightly faster. Don't get me wrong, huge thanks to the hosts and their helpers for doing this, just a suggestion for the future. Anyway, yes, I'd be grateful if the mafia spared us several days of wifom and just conceded.
Oh....Sry, been looking at the OP, not the rest of thread.was a nice fucking graph from him....lmao...
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I will not be voting Hiro. Too many mafia have pointed at him....And YM should be blowing him up or something, right?
And GTRSRS, townies don't want to die for town....They want to live...But no body should be caring about dying at this point because the games in the bag...Your posting a lot more, and its becoming useless....
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On July 04 2011 01:56 hiro protagonist wrote:Yea, shoot me. I'm pleased with how this game went and sad that I did not have time to be apart of it  all of my suspects have flipped scum so I am feeling good about my observation skills. Just like my previous posts, I have very little time and this will be my last post for the day. I will vote for who I think is the last mafia (I wish they would just conseed, unless palmar really is scum, cus I think he is the only One left that could win this for them, IMO) ##Vote: Mig
going with this
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Vote for hyaaach, because I would like you to be complacent with dying to a lynch. YM not killing himself is begginning to annoy me.
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On July 04 2011 04:52 Mig wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2011 04:38 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Vote for hyaaach, because I would like you to be complacent with dying to a lynch. YM not killing himself is begginning to annoy me. Huh? Why do you want me to be complacent with being lynched? If someone wants to throw a random vote on me with no reasoning there isn't any point to defending myself. But if someone wants to make a case against me why wouldnt I counter it?
You've been lurking. Hiro has been attempted bus by every mafia...Voting for him seems counter productive, ya dig? You, Hyaaach, Palmar, YoungMinii are my mafia suspect list. And RoL, if I die before my extra vig hit is an option -_-....
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I agree with the plan. A lurker would be foolish to think he could direct the thread out of no where once all of confirmed people are dead. If youngminii doesn't suicide today, I'm lynching him tomorrow. Did he claim hatter before I shot VE or after?
I'm going to reread when Varp was shot by mafia, and I suggest everyone else does too.
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On July 02 2011 06:13 Cthsazsa wrote:
This whole argument about whether ViscEyes is a DT or not is major WIFOM that's cluttering up the thread, especially with the one-liners.
He's not getting lynched today, he's going to help us determine who's red and who's green. I'm sure that everyone realizes he could be lying about his results, and that's obviously going to be taken into account.
I actually believe that he is a DT. The only reason VE didn't completely out Varp was because his check returned blue. Why the hell is this still a controversial issue?
Right now we need to be discussing possible lynches for today.
Another good hit....Like Palmar, wanted discussion of VE to subside.
On July 01 2011 19:10 Palmar wrote:
By the way, on a completely unrelated note.
I re-read everything by chaos13 I could find, but at this point I don't think he's scum. But given it's based on my analysis, this probably just means he's not a cop.
Probably town
Supersoft (replacement for sinani206)
Cthsazsa
Mig
chaos13
Eiii
VisceraEyes
Null read
gtrsrs
Mataza (replaced aprudds)
youngminii
Jackal58
Vain
~OpZ~
Could be scum
GMarshal
Hyaach
hiro protagonist
Sinani201 AKA Nisani201
Mr. Wiggles
syllogism
This is just based on quick observation of the current state of the game. Note that I've listed like 6 possible scum, which obviously is never going to be correct.
I'm particularly interested in Hiro Protagonist (who was accused early by now known mafia, but then just disappeared) and Mr. Wiggles (who wrote a pretty damning analysis of Hiro Protagonist).
Note VE being on his "Probable Town list"
On July 01 2011 18:01 Palmar wrote:
I agree with almost everything that has been said so far.
Great job Varpulis.
About the GM thing. It's extremely unfortunate that he hasn't been shot. What he's posting right now seems genuine, but it also isn't help the town any way. There are still way too may loose ends, and as some of us have noted, part of his posting looks like his typical mafia death. I would be all for confirming him town because he is a great asset for us if he is on our side. I have great respect for GM as player.
But there is simply no way we're letting him live through the game without confirming him. He has pulled way too many scummy things to do it. Yes, there are several things that point towards him being innocent, but so are there quite a few very incriminating things.
It's by far the worse alternative, but he has to hang.
I still strongly oppose using DT checks on the lurker list. Do you really think we have multiple mafia in there VisceraEyes?
But yes, us not having a one-shot vigilante would make perfect sense, seeing the lack of shots into the lurker list. We're doing great, let's keep on track.
Wiggles's points about the effect of Varp's death on VE's alignment are completely correct. This does not tell us anything about it. But at the moment I think VE is still a nice gamble for the town to trust. So we're not changing anything.
Reasons to distrust palmar is he kept siding with Wiggles....I don't remember who pushed to lynch Wiggles though, could easily of been Palmar....lmao...
On July 02 2011 06:11 Palmar wrote:I don't think VE requires more discussion at present. I agree with everything Mr. Wiggles just said, so let's leave his advice he final point of the discussion. Now I want to direct everyone to two very important posts in today's discussion. 1. Syllo's analysis of youngminii http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=237124¤tpage=47#9272. My accusation and sinani206's analysis on his twin http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10085514If people are still doubting youngminii is a great lynch candidate, then I'd like to point out that sandroba and chaos13 both suspected him. In addition Cthsazsa who is very likely pro-town has pointed a finger his way. Sandroba happens to be one of our better analysts, and chaos13 is a good solid player. So it's not just syllo who is pushing that lynch. Sinani201 is being accused by his twin, myself, sandroba pointed out the analysis was excellent at the time. There are other links. GM and Kenpachi (along with myself) both commented on how that analysis on 201 was only done when being pressured. But with chaos13's breadcrumbs, I don't think 206 (or supersoft, now) is scum. So let's hear it town, should we lynch YM or sinani201?
Again, agreeing with Wiggles, and pushing YM or Sinani, WHO were both mafia targets....By Wiggles and VE
On July 02 2011 06:54 VisceraEyes wrote::O NOOOOOOOOO That means I'm in all likelihood the last DT...no pressure or anything. @syllo and everyone concerned about the timing of my Draz check The fact of the matter is that I didn't SAVE my check, I checked him about an hour after I first could. The reasoning was based on meta, admittedly. Remember what I said about martyrs? I followed SNMMIV because SNMMII was my first game here and I bore witness to his little ploy in that game. I didn't like it then, in spite of him being town all along. I thought he might try the same nonsense in this game so I wanted to find out his alignment RIGHT off the bat. Not much of a reason, but there isn't much of a reason to do anything that early in the game...from what I gather, blues typically have to wait until after d1 to make any checks, which is AMPLE time to have sufficient reason to check someone. Also, regarding my Kenpachi vote, I've played a couple of games with this guy and I've read some too...he's active when town, to the point of annoyance sometimes. I guess I just missed the guy. It was really just a pressure vote, but I felt it was justified because of his inactivity / presence on the lurker list. If he was still on the lurker list tomorrow, he was my #1 priority to check. I'm reading over 206 and YM's posts now...I was leaning pretty town on YM before, so I'm starting with him.
Same as before....Wanted YM or 206 to take the death. Good Lynch.
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