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On July 10 2011 00:19 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 00:17 Ace wrote:On July 10 2011 00:12 deconduo wrote:On July 09 2011 23:39 Jackal58 wrote:Great game. I now wish I had waited 1 more day to confirm Amber.  I was afraid he was going to get lynched though. Everybody had him down as scum. Why was Decon mod killed? That hurt. Breadcrumbing my role  There was nothing in the OP to suggest it was illegal so I feel it was kinda harsh. o.0 There is no way for a Vigilante to breadcrumb their role unless you want to somehow prove you shot someone in prior nights which is hard to justify. When you breadcrumb it means hiding results of past investigations, or past Medic protections so that when you die people can figure it out. You can't do that using a PM because no one else would know what it means unless they have the same PM or you quote it directly from the mod. That was the point, if there was another vig in the game they would know my claim is legit. Still, it was a good game and I don't mind too much.
Cheating:
Cheating includes (but is not limited to):
1. Posting after death. You may have one polite goodbye post, but it may not contain any potentially game-changing information.
2. Ruining the game by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town.
3. Logging on to someone else's account to get their role or looking over someone's shoulder to get their role.
4. Comparing role PM times to determine roles.
5. Posting screenshots of your inbox.
6. Posting any PM you receive from a host.
7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip.
8. Signing up more than once using smurf accounts.
9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits.
10. Sharing accounts with other players. Only you may post on your account.
It falls under this more so. It's kind of bullshit that you can basically auto confirm each other by using role PM's, since no one except those with the same role have any way to detect it, which is unfair and is using elements outside the game to win, which is just gay and not fun.
So while you are not posting the exact PM from the host, you are posting fragments, and that would be arguing petty semantics.
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To my amusement, both of them died on Night 0. I assumed the worst and that all 4 Mafia remained. Night 1, I questioned why no one has claimed being role blocked yet. I swear this role would have existed in Ace's game, base on what I know of Ace and what he had commented in other threads, (just like how much he dislikes Bus Drivers in his games). It would all make sense if the Role Blocker had died Night 0.
Actually, this was part of our plan. We were going to roleblock+kill people for 2 nights so that we hid the roleblock from being shown, then when we actually roleblocked someone they would look suspicious claiming RB on D3 or something since no one had claimed previously. On top of that we were also a bit worried of roles that activate upon being killed, so we figured two birds, one stone. Namely Zombies/Virgins/NRA member, etc. The problem with that was that our roleblocker died N0 -_-
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I also still think the DT claim was poorly played. I think you should of been able to push a case on me without claiming, and claiming puts the town in an awkward position assuming there is no flips. Even if the idea was mafia supported, it was still a valid strategy.
I admit the reason we also pushed it as the smart play was because while theoretically the town should lynch the DT first in that scenario, we knew SAYING it should happen and actually making it happen would be hard, since everyone wants to trust blue roles and not just haphazardly throw them away. On the flip side of that, if one of us decided to claim DT later on we could force the town to lean to not killing us, since I knew they wouldn't want to anyway. Policy lynching DT's is always a tough sell, and I figured we should establish the need and reasoning behind how DT's should play earlier on. It would allow us to kill you if we notice what you are doing, while hopefully keeping the town off our asses.
Even though there are ways we can use a DT policy lynch to our advantage as mafia, to deny the danger of a DT claim to the longevity of the town would be foolish. Think about if we fake claimed with the same case as you, it wouldn't be hard to sell it up the river for the next few nights, especially if we KNEW we killed one DT already.
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On July 10 2011 09:30 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 09:24 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
To my amusement, both of them died on Night 0. I assumed the worst and that all 4 Mafia remained. Night 1, I questioned why no one has claimed being role blocked yet. I swear this role would have existed in Ace's game, base on what I know of Ace and what he had commented in other threads, (just like how much he dislikes Bus Drivers in his games). It would all make sense if the Role Blocker had died Night 0.
Actually, this was part of our plan. We were going to roleblock+kill people for 2 nights so that we hid the roleblock from being shown, then when we actually roleblocked someone they would look suspicious claiming RB on D3 or something since no one had claimed previously. On top of that we were also a bit worried of roles that activate upon being killed, so we figured two birds, one stone. Namely Zombies/Virgins/NRA member, etc. The problem with that was that our roleblocker died N0 -_- I had thought of that plan, because if I were Mafia, I would have likely done the same. I was actually more concerned of getting Role Blocked than dying on Night 2. We can all agree that Caller is crazy ;/
Without a doubt I can agree. I remember when I was arguing with him before I died I said something like "You are full of shit, and you have more than 1 kill" and he said something about how if that were true he would be lying and would get lynched, and is therefore playing against his win condition. I said something in reference to his Insane Israeli bus driver claim, and how I wouldn't put it past him.
Then 5 minutes after I die he goes "Oh btw I have 2 hits"
I face palmed so hard that I woke up two hours later on the floor with a palm print scar on my forehead.
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I really think I could of fought off your accusation if I played it a bit better. Namely attacking everything you said, your mild analysis of me, your claim, and not strayed off into what the fuck caller might be thinking. The biggest issue I faced was starting to argue when I was already like 2 votes away from my lynch. Your case was alright, but basically just came down to "I checked rol." and whether or not the veracity of your claim could stand up to scrutiny, which if I played it right, it shouldn't have. That's my opinion though, while I may not have lived and I might have still gotten lynched it definitely wouldn't of happened in such a quick pace. I am surprised at how quickly the town just decided to rape me, it was a bit disappointing considering how frail I felt your case was.
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Fishball, I am fairly good at looking at a situation from an unbiased standpoint. When I say your case against me was pretty much "lol I checked him" I assure you, it was. The people who suspected me were you, and if you want to count caller shouting randomly how I slipped as him suspecting me, then I guess you can count him too. I didn't see anyone else really suspecting me, even if my play was sloppy.
I still think you played it out wrong, even if it worked for a bit. And by a bit, I mean until you, BC, and caller proceeded to die and confuse the town which all half stemmed from your DT claim.
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