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3 will be alive tomorrow, it's going to be lylo for us. JeeJee or Palmer.... It's hard to really say JeeJee is scum so it would have to be the person playing his role from the start. I'm going to go through some of ILJ's posts... | ||
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On July 03 2011 08:37 ilovejonn wrote: I'm going to confirm this claim to be true. LSB is not scum, nor am I. The plan I had today since we lynched RoL, was to check his dead body to confirm if Fishball was actually Cop or not, thus confirming him and myself as town. However, my plan wasn't really necessary as it seems like someone could reveal roles on Day posts, and I also did not expect THREE kills. I am the Forensic Scientist, basically I can check the roles of dead people. Why am I so sure LSB isn't lying? Because he said he mimic'd RoL checking a dead body. I had investigated deconduo's body and he revealed to be a Vigilante. I also found out on that same check that Scamp's body was missing. RoL's dead body check returned as Mafia Janitor and not mafia Coroner. I was confused as to why Scamp's body was missing, but if my speculations are correct, RoL's role can clean up dead bodies therefore not allowing people like me to check them. I also checked GGQ on Night 0, he returned Busy Paramedic and town aligned. The only people I haven't checked are GMarshal, and Scamp. But I know there are more coroner's left. Caller has kept on saying Fishball and BC are scum, and then they died. Obviously he is trying to justify his kills just by repeatedly saying they are scum and he was certain since it's no flip that he'll be safe. But as we can see Fish and BC didn't flip scum. My vote is going to be on Caller today. ##Vote: Caller Let's pick this apart: 1. I'm going to confirm this claim to be true. LSB is not scum, nor am I. Notice the immediate mention of "I am not scum." Scum typically manipulate situations to appear more town. Townies don't need to legitimize their actions, they know they're town. Keep this thought in mind, as it's for this reason that I was so mad about the immense lying of pro-town players throughout the game. 2. I am the Forensic Scientist, basically I can check the roles of dead people. Okay you were right about your role name, but basically this isn't a good claim. This is not what your role does. Your role is more of a watcher role, not a detective role. You can read more about the forensic scientist here, but basically your role includes "target[ing] a dead player and learn[ing] who targeted them during the game." Checking roles is for the cops, you wouldn't know roles or alignment. Watcher roles are also a very good claim for mafia because these roles work well for town OR mafia aligned players, unlike a pro-town godfather or a mafia virgin. When I did a little research about the virgin role it didn't seem very "ace like" to give the mafia team this role. This role has 0 benefit to them and just creates more of a mess for them to clean it up. They need to lynch a mafia to get a no-kill night? That's when they do their best work! They're going to sacrifice one person for 0 gain? Or if that player accidentally gets lynched the mafia team is penalized for not helping him? Yah okay. 3. Why am I so sure LSB isn't lying? Because he said he mimic'd RoL checking a dead body. I had investigated deconduo's body and he revealed to be a Vigilante. I also found out on that same check that Scamp's body was missing. RoL's dead body check returned as Mafia Janitor and not mafia Coroner. The real answer is because you're scum and he wasn't lying. Okay lie no. 1: You "knew about" 3 people in 2 night phases: Deconduo, Scamp, and RoL. Lie no. 2: Deconduo was a vigilante. Maybe, but you're a watcher role, and this was discussed to death. Lie no. 3: "I also found out on that same night that scamps body was missing." You can't tell us his role, but you know that his body was missing? That's not what your role does. It basically can check roles, right? Lie no. 4: Your scum buddy RoL told you about Scamp because he really might be the janitor, or coroner, who cares what it's called. He claimed Coroner himself when he called Caller a jackass. Lie no 5: Your dead body check once again revealed a role. What's nice is we don't really know what that role was because it wasn't visible. Now I'm wondering why Ace would have the watcher check roles of dead people when the town police officer just needs to stay alive past night 2. That makes your ability worthless after night 2. 4. I was confused as to why Scamp's body was missing, but if my speculations are correct, RoL's role can clean up dead bodies therefore not allowing people like me to check them. I also checked GGQ on Night 0, he returned Busy Paramedic and town aligned. Lie no. 6: Your speculations? You were told what happened. RoL proly masterminded this retarded stunt 5 days ago and he's probably laughing at how no one caught this clusterfuck yet. You checked someone on Night 0?! Do you know what a forensic scientist does?! I'm not an expert by any means but I've watched enough CSI to know that in order for an investigation to occur, a crime needs to be committed. How the hell did you even check any dead bodies before anything happens? I can't believe no one caught this. Lie no. 7: "You checked GGQ on Night 0." He probably is a medic. You probably also didn't need to worry about anything because the town can't really account for his role. I'm going to re-iterate that your role is not an investigative role. You're a watcher. This never happened. Your ability most likely started on Night 1, when you could actually use it. Lie no. 8: "RoL's dead body check returned as Mafia Janitor and not mafia Coroner." VS "RoL's role can clean up dead bodies therefore not allowing people like me to check them." If he cleans up dead bodies then he's a janitor. I bet he cleaned up GGQ on Night 0, and Deconduo on Night 1. Remember, Deconduo got modkilled, so it would have been a really good idea for him to clean up that body to confirm his vigi claim. This would have legitimized a LOT of pro town players. This is also how you knew this information. You probably did watch people, but they weren't these two. 5. The only people I haven't checked are GMarshal, and Scamp. But you knew that Scamps body went missing? I hope town makes the right move and takes out ILJ//JeeJee. | ||
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Sorry JeeJee the inconsistencies got me too riled up. I was pretty sure I was next to die. I thought that would have put some signals in some peoples minds. Palmar just because I dress up a turd doesn't mean it's a turkey dinner. You're easy to pursuade  | ||
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On July 09 2011 19:43 Palmar wrote: good writeup kurumi, I agree with most of it. The mistake was ultimately mine, I simply did not have the balls to make an independent decision. Can we get a link to the mafia QT? There are some things that I really, really had a problem with though. My big mistakes were getting caught up in a useless argument with VisceraEyes on day one, and then obviously the end-game. But here are a few that really had a detrimental effect on town. a) BC's claim. The idea was novel, I really like the fact that his read on Fishball was so strong that he was willing to lie to confirm him. But man... when you lie as town, you better make damn fucking sure that you cannot get caught, cause that's when the shitstorm happens. I learned this lesson in PTP. b) Caller's trolling and repeated lying. Sure, I can get the idea behind claiming one-shot vigilante in order to avoid roleblocks, but why the hell did you not just say "sorry, my bad" after killing BC. I'm almost sure that you'd have gotten away with it. Everyone knew then that BC had been lying, even if it was for the good of town. So we basically wasted a lynch because you felt the need to lie again. c) Kurumi/ILJ/Chezinu. All of those guys did very little to establish their innocence, at least in my opinion. Instead of trolling and throwing one-liners, then I'd really appreciate it if people would attempt to look pro-town. I wasted effort going after Kurumi, and Chezinu got cleared by a confirmed innocent, and he STILL got lynched, only based on the fact that he was scummy as hell anyway. ILJ was just... not beneficial to town. If JeeJee had been playing from the start we'd have rocked this game, easily, but ILJ did nothing to show he was innocent early on. VE/Deconduo got themselves modkilled. That was pretty stupid. Anyway, I agree with everything you said except the conclusion Kurumi. Town had at least a very reasonable chance to win this game. We fucked up repeatedly and didn't make any massive game-changing plays really. Yes, the mafia didn't have to do much to achieve the win, but at least citi.zen's claim was well thought out. Kudos to Sandroba for that... I told you he was a good player not playing to his standard  Any number of things could've turned this into the town's favor, we just kept fucking up. a) Caller simply claiming the kill on BC b) VisceraEyes not getting himself modkilled (I was 100% sure on him being town) c) Me not fucking up the end-game d) Chezinu actually put effort into proving his innocence e) ILJ doing the same, or JeeJee having played from much earlier f) ILJ not screwing up his roleclaim g) BC not lying to confirm Fishball I think even just one of those things would've turned the game into town's favour. The numbers would have been town favored if these modkills never happened. Damn you Deconduo!!!!!!!! | ||
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On July 11 2011 06:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The game maybe wasn't necessary, but It was a hope to set myself up as a target for a mafia hit before caller. Also, as horrible as it sounds, almost everyone was trolling at the point I fake claimed and honestly the only way to really get discussion going I figured was to do something insanely outlandish. And it worked, oddly enough. Though I don't think anyone actually believed Caller to be scum. I couldn't see either of you actually being scum. It just looked like troll vs troll and a lucky guess. | ||
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