TL Mafia XLII

On June 15 2011 06:51 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

This is wrong. You make way too many assumptions here, first of all, who cares if the mafia is found out? You act as if mafia are absolutely self serving, which they aren't. They are part of a team. If I was mafia and I played an intricate part in my teams victory, just because I die doesn't remove from what I have accomplished, and I still get the win. So yes, mafia might eventually get found out in a circle, but by then they will have gotten enough info to justify their deaths.

And a godfather can easily fake a medic, vigilante, and veteran role so just excluding vet's from your circle doesn't do shit. A medic/vigilante/veteran role cannot guarantee confirm a player in one night, only a DT check can. If you spend 3 night cycles circle jerking yourself around with DT checks then mafia can just float in the inactives. As stated earlier, DT's should be checking inactives, active players WILL be outed by superior behavior analysis by good players.

The circle plan sucked. My plan was better because it involved me doing something I am good at, and that others know I am good at, and doesn't involve having our blues suck each other off for 3 night cycles while trying to coordinate their collective stupidity.

On June 15 2011 12:38 aidnai wrote:
That WAS my birthday wish ilj!

For other new-er blues in this game, i'm gonna bring this up since Chaos13 is dead already anyway: look at chaos13's posts. There's like 4-5 of them from N0, and all but maybe one are giving blues advice, asking for blue advice, or otherwise discussing blue roles. IMO, he was a pretty obvious snipe. Moral of the story: don't spend a lot of time talking about blues and nothing else. We can talk about this more post-game.

Scamp, the game GGQ is talking about is XXXVII. Ver = Ser Aspi. Although he and jackal did use PMs well, especially when it came to the endgame, the town kinda got lucky with a huge town circle that cleared LSB who otherwise would have been a great and easy mislynch for scum to push. So... yeah, like almost every game, it wasn't perfect play (or what we imagine is perfect) that won that game for town.

Back to this game: I can only assume that Pondo was an attempted blue snipe. Not sure about kita.

I find it odd that scum went for blue snipes over forum vets n0. I take this to mean that BC's zodiac was successful in deterring hits... Well, that's only good for us imo.

On June 15 2011 13:26 aidnai wrote:
rofl, sorry for spam/derail guys, but xsixVer just beat col.Catz on taldarim, cross positions, using tank/marine with epic multipronged attacks and NUKES lol... poor catz plays without sound so he can listen to music, got nailed by the nukes like 4 times omg...

On June 15 2011 13:05 aidnai wrote:
at this moment, Ver is playing catz on catz' stream

On June 15 2011 14:32 aidnai wrote:
since nobody is stepping up and posting anything... I guess I'll go ahead and start pressure voting.

##Vote: Grassgiraffe



Your friend said you wouldn't disappoint. Prove him wrong, make my day.

On June 15 2011 17:17 Scamp wrote:
Well, my vote will be on aidnai until he can shake off the stench of spam and blue-snipe bragging.

On June 16 2011 03:41 sinani206 wrote:


Hey, guess what? You're on the Zodiac List. Let's see some better analysis out of you. This is bandwagon shit which might have been overlooked had you not been on the list, but since you are, I feel the need to pressure you a little. You posted obvious info here while accusing him of posting obvious info. Step up your game.

On June 16 2011 03:41 sinani206 wrote:


Hey, guess what? You're on the Zodiac List. Let's see some better analysis out of you. This is bandwagon shit which might have been overlooked had you not been on the list, but since you are, I feel the need to pressure you a little. You posted obvious info here while accusing him of posting obvious info. Step up your game.

On June 16 2011 04:47 sinani206 wrote:
Yeah I was actually going through the list and you were first. I would've done him next.

On June 16 2011 13:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
For reference, people who haven't posted/contributed since Day 1 post:

Impervious
Node
hiro protagonist
GGQ
grassgiraffe (Likely Modkill, no posts)
mig
LandenC (1 post in game)
Jacinto (1 post in game)
Lazorbear (1 post in game)
RebirthofLegend

This list actually makes me a little sad, because more than half of these people have played before, or are veterans, but we still have terrible activity.

On June 16 2011 12:52 ilovejonn wrote:
Yeah, I feel scum are definitely content with the environment right now, and obviously liking the discussion at hand. We'd be better off voting for lurkers to force them to talk as I feel there are plenty of scum hiding right now. Night 0 start + half way through Day 1 and A LOT of people have bare minimum posts, heck some people haven't even started posting since the Day post. This really irks me. However, they WILL have to come up with a reason to vote anyways or risk being modkilled. I'm expecting by the end of the Day half ass bandwagons and reasons for voting will be formed and we can further examine those people.

Note: I'll be away from 11 am - 6 pm for most days coming.

On June 17 2011 05:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


Your new so maybe you don't understand some things. Day 1 is near impossible to scumhunt unless people realllly fuck up somewhere along the line. It's even harder when players like yourself opt to sitback and not post until pressured. You were lurking, you got called out, and suddenly the person who does it is red.

You mention I am red because of the zodiac list? all the names of players on that list are people who will prove their alignment via play in thread, analysis done on them, etc... Dt checks are far more useful being directed at people (much like yourself) who are lurking hard and not contributing. If someone is unreadable because they skirt by sheeping the entire game a dt check can clear them or damn them very quickly. A gf is much more likely to be hiding in a list of veteran players than it is amongst lurkers as well.

Making myself accountable for my actions and adding scruitiny to myself is not pro mafia, its pro town.


You then mention most of my posts are on bad plans? pushing to kill lurkers? Wow, since when is trying to organize people from doing bad moves an anti town play? Trying to organize people and get them to realize bandwagons they are on are most likely wrong is not mafia play.

Take a look at the major 3 bandwagons. All 3 started fairly early and had next to no opposition except from the players involved. No one was defending them? at all? Instead there was next to no discussion, people sheep'd onto some of those lists not even justifying themselves. That screams mafia are content to sit back and let the shit happen.

Use your head people.

On June 17 2011 06:28 hiro protagonist wrote:
yeah, thing is Mig, BC is calling out those lurkers to post. It worked too. So step it up guys if you want to play.

As for the lynch targets, sinani, and ILJ still look suspicious to me. ILJ more so, because his slip into lurker mode. I want to see him scum hunt, cus right now the only contribution I see from him is defending himself. However, I wont vote for him because he is under the gun, We have ample opportunity to see if he slips up, or scum tells.

One person that is really flying under the radar is Impervious. So far all his post have had little substance, and smell sightly of scum.

As for the lurkers, One stands out and thats grassgiraffe. The others have yet to post much but grass last post SCREAMS out "I made my vote, and I'm out". I know, because that sounds exactly like some of the lurkers in SNMMII. They would simply come in once or twice during the day and say,"yep, I agree with so and so, vote: name here". I am 90% sure he is town, and 100% sure we dont need him. come prove me wrong grass.

##Vote: grassgiraffe

On June 17 2011 04:57 Kenpachi wrote:

I can understand how mad you are because most vets tend to have the same response atleast once (or more!)

I say BC is mafia because I dont really see the usefulness in his posts. He made a lot of lists and pointed out a bunch of inactives (including you) but really, thats it. I guess its brash to accuse him of being mafia when i think there is nothing to talk about but still.

On June 17 2011 06:13 Jacinto wrote:
Allright, I agree with voting the lurkers. BC's argument makes sense. We have to make them start posting, or kill them. If we don't and they happen to be mafia, we're gonna be in trouble later on.
I change my vote to GG because of his extreme inactiveness, him breaking the scilence with a very wierd post, where he just dashes in, jumps on the BW without explanation, dashes out.
+ Show Spoiler +
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However, I still FoS ILJ.

##Vote grassgiraffe

On June 17 2011 06:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Unvote sinani206

##Vote: grassgiraffe

I admit that I sheepishly voted sinani based on weak logic and the desperate hope that he'd actually flip red. I agree that inactivity is more effectively dealt with now rather than later, and I hope the remaining lurkers after today will see GG as an example.

HA...GG.

GG, GG.

On June 17 2011 06:35 hiro protagonist wrote:
@Wiggles:

For the reasons I stated. If Grass comes in and says something, hell anything, that would be of an contribution, I will take my vote off him. I will urge others to do the same. If I had to vote for someone else, I would vote ILJ or Impervious.

On June 17 2011 07:29 sandroba wrote:
Okay people I ask you to turn your attention to this post:



Serious scum slip right here. First of all, your reasoning for not voting jonn, which you are suspicious of, is totally bullshit. Second, how the fuck can you be 90% sure giraffe is town from the grand total of 1 post (which is a terrible post) he has made so far? Seems to me you have more information than I do. Even then, you are 90% sure he's town, you are suspicious of jonn and you quickly jump on giraffe bandwagon??? Hello contradiction!

Vote for this mafia right now, day1 doesn't get any better than this.

On June 17 2011 10:14 aidnai wrote:
OpZ, switching to shraft seems dumb. if you and jonn switch to hiro, you'll have a real counterwagon going, personally I'd love to see the lynch between jonn/hiro, instead of grass giraffe. Grassgiraffe was always the copout lynch, and should have been abandoned long ago.

ILJ, you want to find scum, that's the list you should be looking at.
BloodyC0bbler, LandenC, Jacinto, VisceraEyes, hiro protagonist
Lurkers, including hiro, plus viscera, who tried to make sandroba look scummy for pushing hiro.

You five on the GG list, switch to hiro or provide a reason why you don't think he's scum. There's absolutely no evidence for/against GG right now, it's an easy copout lynch and a way for you to skate by today without taking a stance on anyone.

I'm staying on ILJ because I don't care if it's him or hiro that gets lynched today.

BTW, i'm pleased with the collective non-response to RoL's bullshit.

On June 17 2011 10:52 Kenpachi wrote:

No. I believe those who are spread over are the mafia. (Im looking at you GGQ, Opz, RoL)

On June 17 2011 11:09 Kenpachi wrote:
it was me OpZ. you were one of them solo vote on a random person

On June 17 2011 13:34 sinani206 wrote:


Just making sure all blues see this tonight

On June 17 2011 20:35 Mataza wrote:
RoL, that´s pretty fucking weak sauce.
"I could post a lot and help town, I just don´t want to. Maybe I will start to post more if you kill Kenpachi"

Are you shitting us? Why the F' sign up to a game and then go ahead with a plan that gives you the chance of being Superman in PM land and then say "The game is boring I´m watching TV instead".

Apart from any alignment, what kind of attitude is that?

On June 19 2011 10:21 Mataza wrote:

Huh, odd.
At the start I assumed your strategy was for you to draw a hit since you are veteran or already have a Doctor at hand to protect you.

But isn´t this behavior rather selfish?
Lie to get Doctor protection *and* be avoided by mafia hits.
On the other hand there is LAL for a reason. If you lie too often, people stop believing you, even if you tell the truth.

For you 2 questions:

• 1. Why did you do 2 half assed role claims in the thread, other than you being a mischievous badger?
  
  
• 2. Why did you refuse to help town until Kenpachi is killed?

Bonus question: Youngminii already told us he is masoned to RoL. If you really have only 3 masons, why did you find the time to post BS in the thread, but not PM anything serious with one of your 3 PM buddies?

On June 20 2011 08:08 Varpulis wrote:

Yo ~OpZ~, what up with the stealth vote?

On June 20 2011 12:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Idea for night actions
Currently here is what I would like to do. I want ALL vigilantes to target hiro tonight. Vigilante hits get refunded if they are stacked with mafia or anything else, so we won't be wasting hits. I will also carefully think through how I would like to try to organize the remaining DT/Hatters and on what subjects to have them act.

All ideas are welcome for this. my initial thoughts are Mataza, DeMorcerf, and VisceraEyes

On June 20 2011 12:45 ~OpZ~ wrote:

Shraft? He had a decently helpful post, but his thoughts on this vote, and last vote. I dunno...

On June 21 2011 11:14 Mataza wrote:
There has to be another hit or save tonight:

Hiro suicided Node

Sandroba died.
Mafia KP was cut by one for mismodkilling aidnai yesterday.

On June 21 2011 11:30 Mataza wrote:
Alright, no I didn´t send someone else.
Nobody else claimed hit so far, that´s all I have in my favor.

I claimed veteran to my other contact earlier, just without the Sandroba telling RoL part, if that helps.

On June 21 2011 11:45 Mataza wrote:


To explain in full:

I have another contact who knew I am blue night 0 and who I told I am actually Vet day 1.
This person (hopefully) knows I contacted Sandroba. I am pretty sure I informed him.

I proceeded to randomly ask Sandroba a couple of meaningfull questions, which he thought was suspicious, so he told RoL.
After I explained to him in a way that made sense, he realised it was probably a mistake to tell RoL right away. We proceeded to call it a plan from then on.

On June 22 2011 07:58 VisceraEyes wrote:


I find it interesting how you're distorting the timeline around OpZ.

1st, OpZ pushes aidnai, based on spam.
2nd, OpZ claims indifference to lynching either aidnai, Sinani and ILJ
3rd, OpZ tunnels ILJ hard
4th, OpZ scum-switches to GG, an inactive lynch target that was already on the docket.

GTFO scum.

On June 22 2011 00:50 youngminii wrote:
stop being silly
lynching opz or rol is nothing more than a crapshoot

get a lurker, the lurkers at this stage are just scummy as all hell
landenc (and probably demorcerf) would have been modkilled for inactivity if they weren't mafia, the fact that they are keeps them coming back to make one single post

obvious lynches

On June 22 2011 01:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
Man, YM, you're ABSOLUTELY RIGHT about lurkers...if I wasn't so convinced of RoL and OpZ, I'd be all about your agenda - especially since in this game, preference was given to people with proven inactivity. But I hardly think that OpZ and RoL are crapshoots...did you even read my analysis? Did you not hear Mataza? Obviously RoL is going to say it's bullshit. He's just been as good as outed as red. Would YOU own up to it if it was you?

On June 23 2011 03:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, I've made my final decision.

##Vote: RebirthOfLeGenD

While I hate that there's no proof of Sandroba telling RoL in no uncertain terms that Mataza is blue.

While I'm suspicious of Mataza's reaction to BC requiring proof.

There's something I can't get past.

RoL claimed Vigilante.
First of all, the outside view of Vigilantes is the exact same as scum. They kill someone at night. Second, the only time I've EVER seen someone claim vig BEFORE someone is shot and killed....is when it's scum trying to save their life. What good does claiming do if it's true? Mafia will likely role-block him, so his plan of killing FudgeMunkey is out. All it serves to do is to save himself. Furthermore, I agree with Mataza's assessment that if the Mafia wanted RoL dead, they would have killed him n2 instead of FAKING some kind of super-play, and do so knowing there's no proof.

As far as RoL's behavior, d2 he did literally just WAIT until a few hours before the deadline, then start throwing around insults until enough votes were off him. He's been actively lurking since the very beginning. I'm sure he and BC will tell you that it's because there's no point in playing until d3...but in doing so, town has literally been put in a position where we have to either trust in Mataza's plan, or believe someone as scummy as RoL to survive. If we don't hit scum today, we're dead.

And I believe RoL is scum. I believe he's been actively lurking, sniping blues (they've had EXCEPTIONAL aim), and watching 24 the whole game.

I conclude this post with something everyone should factor in.

I'm masoned with Mataza. He claimed Veteran to me d1. This means that if he's scum, he fake claimed me d1, put on a show of crumbing DT (he's not very good at it, obviously), and ultimately waited until d3 to put his fake plan. It's too much of a stretch for me. Vote RoL.

On June 23 2011 04:48 Shraft wrote:
Yes, claiming vig won't really help much at all.

Call me gullible or stupid, but I'm starting to lean more and more toward not lynching RoL. I have had this feeling all game long that he was blue or green.

On June 23 2011 05:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
I was under the impression that alignments are randomly generated. Is that not the case?

On June 21 2011 12:57 youngminii wrote:
I like the lurker attack.

Out of the lurkers, landenc seems the most scummy to me. Fudgemunkey seems like a townie that became bored towards the later stages. Vote going to landenc for now.

On June 22 2011 01:55 youngminii wrote:
yeah okay
there's quite a decent chance that they're all red

the only reason i was hesitant on lynching rol was because he's masoned to so many people
but yeah all the evidence points against him, if he ends up non-red though i will not be happy

On June 22 2011 04:03 youngminii wrote:
You gave us an alternative lynch yesterday. Fool us once, shame on you, fool us twice, shame on us.

You've had 3 days to 'dominate' and use your PM network. It seems as if your recurring theme this game is "fuck you I'll dominate this game later".

Anyway if you don't end up scum then mataza will obviously have some explaining to do.

On June 22 2011 09:25 youngminii wrote:
wiggles i'm curious as to why you put so much effort into defending RoL

then you make one line saying 'i agree with this guy'

especially when:




surely you'd have to have thought i was pretty townie if you wanted a medic to use their save on me

i don't want this to be ignored, answer it when you're here

On June 23 2011 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Balance cannot be used as far as I can see. Anyone got anything else? Time is ticking.

On June 23 2011 05:57 Mataza wrote:

You have a point, but as was said already, balance is a weak argument for someone to be scum or town.

The way this game presents itself to me I´m inclined to heavily question everyone on the zodiac list. I wrote down the initial reactions of the players after I claimed veteran and my plan.

And the one question I ask is, why does BC fight against my plan in order to save RoL?
He tried really hard to debunk my plan and discredit my conclusion. He then came to the conclusion that my plan is extremely convoluted and the easy explanation is that I am scum doing a really laughable play.

And that same person is the one who found Node in a sea of inactives that is half the players. By virtue of being on the zodiac list and not being helpful, unlike the other inactives who weren´t helping.

Also the vets on this list had no comments for this at all. Only Youngminii commented on this, and he is the lynch proposed by RoL.
Analysing votes was never helpful in a game without heavily debated lynchs or votelist checks.
If these people are supposed to save the town with their experience, I damn well want to see at least something.
"Newbie attacks RoL and BC, let´s analyse the day 1 and day 2 votes and distance ourself from RoL."
This is NOT what I was expecting.

On June 23 2011 06:22 Mataza wrote:
If you count balance as evidence, I have my special evidence right here:

Look, it´s almost the entire zodiac list.


I don´t believe in coincidences.
I don´t believe the results of last night just looked like my plan worked, but actually didn´t.
I don´t believe that Bloodyc0bbler actually thinks it is the best explanation that I am scum with a very questionable plan.
I don´t believe that everyone on the zodiac list has had very few comments for this and in unison think that youngminii is scum, when RoL should be under heavy suspicion again.
I don´t believe that RoL is a vigilante.


Fact is there has been no scum on the lynch block yet. Aside from RoL, all major suspects flipped innocent. RoL is the only person to get away alive from being nearly lynched.
I don´t think this is a coincidence either.

On June 23 2011 06:42 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

I have played enough games to know it would look like a desperate mafia ploy, but it's true and I figure it's more important that you know I am a vigilante before you go murdering away your hopes of winning this game.

On June 23 2011 07:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
And a slight correction: The vets aren't voting for you because they think Mataza is wrong...not because they think you're town. There's a big difference.

On June 23 2011 10:21 Mr. Wiggles wrote:


Hmmm? Do you mean mafia's going to shoot you? Or you're going to suicide into someone? You're keeping the bomb on BC, or are you telling us because you're moving it?

Also, what made you want to claim, and aren't you afraid of RB?

On June 23 2011 10:44 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
A roleblock is only known to blues who get roleblocked and have active actions, so theoretically the reds could have just failed to ever role block a blue.

On June 23 2011 11:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
They didn't know he was vet, right? Right? That wasn't a scum-slip, right? Right?

On June 26 2011 12:09 FudgeMunkey wrote:
HA HA HA!!!

Varpulis and all you cows!!!

Im not mafia!
I told u!!!



Oh and yeah... GG mafia!

On June 26 2011 19:18 Scamp wrote:
Bleh. My streak of never protecting a mafia has ended. I wonder if it counts though because it was night 0?