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Why are we masoning ROL? I feel as if the PM system in this game is designed to create an information network that can (and most definitely will) be infiltrated by mafia if used incorrectly. That said, I won't be masoning anyone anytime soon. | ||
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if everyone does mason you then i'm sure mafia would be willing to use 2KP to sever half the town connections | ||
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On June 14 2011 22:10 Impervious wrote: Personally, I don't see why we should do anything right now. There's no information to get a decent target for a vigi, and the more we discuss veteran players, the more targets we present for the mafia (and, subsequently, also decrease the likelihood that a medic will protect a vet that gets targeted). Let's wait for the day post. Quelling any form of discussion is terrible, if not scummy. The best way to analyse people is if said people are making discussion, it's very tough to analyse something that's not there. In any case, RoL's plan makes absolutely no sense to me. Who knows, maybe you'll find a scum or two, good luck with whatever you're trying to do. aidnai, you can have my spot on the list if you wish, I don't wish to be there at all. I agree with you in that BC shouldn't have told the medics not to save people on the list, leaving that opportunity open (and unspoken) gives scum wifom as to whether or not they should kill us. Instead, BC's taken this away and is hoping that they won't kill us in case they look suspicious(??). I don't even understand why it's suspicious to kill us, if I was scum I'd kill the vets straight away knowing they wouldn't be protected. | ||
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Spam: Spam is not tolerated, nor is any off-topic material. Do not discuss Proleague here. Do not talk about Starcraft II here. Play Mafia here. My first suspect for this game will be ilovejonn. He has 7 posts since game start, all of which are blanket posts that have no real content. Here are several of his posts: + Show Spoiler + On June 14 2011 11:54 ilovejonn wrote: I don't know... I think that requires a few (and by a few I mean a whole lot) more posts. Fluff On June 14 2011 12:15 ilovejonn wrote: @Varpulis I think I'll have to disagree with point number 2. I'd suggest waiting it out so that most people have posted and use their checks on who they think would be scum based on the posts made during night 0. I mean the whole point of this game IS to find scum, unless of course you find the posting behaviour of a "strong player" a bit suspicious, then yea go ahead and use your check on them. If not I heed people to wait until near the end of the night cycle to submit your actions. (unless of course you won't be there on time) Note the uncertainty in this post: "I think", "I'd suggest", "unless of course", "If not", "unless of course (again)". This is quite scummy behaviour, to me it looks like he's just trying to reassure everyone that you don't HAVE to follow his rules if you don't want to because he doesn't want to seem suspicious in any way whatsoever. Which a townie wouldn't do. Hell, not even a blue would do that. On June 14 2011 12:56 ilovejonn wrote: no This is in response to Sandroba's plan. While this is a lot more forward and not as uncertain as the previous post, he's still not contributing any content with this. If you look at this post as if ilovejonn was town, why would he bother making it? If you look at his mafia play (see below) this post kind of stands out pretty clearly. On June 14 2011 13:37 ilovejonn wrote: I'd also like to suggest that people on this list, if you're on towns side of course, to start posting, because you know, getting killed Night 0 sucks. Again with the "I'd also like to suggest". He also doesn't actually post anything, he just quoted the almighty Zodiac list and said "guys you should post" which is the entire point of the list in the first place. On June 14 2011 13:59 ilovejonn wrote: I think we need to move on. The plan is bad, no one should do what sandroba suggested, now we can all stop posting about it. "I think". Obvously the plan is bad, everyone is moving on, you want everyone to stop posting about it yet you're posting about it. There's nothing here, the plan's been heralded as terrible by most of the players. On June 15 2011 11:12 ilovejonn wrote: People who did not post N0: 10. sinani206 17. grassgiraffe 23. LandenC 24. Jacinto Putting 26. Lazorbear in as well for 1 very short post. What's the incentive for a townie posting this? Weeding out inactives. Has there been talk of an inactive lynch? No. Then why would you post this? To me this looks like ilovejonn is trying to quietly push for an (easy) inactive lynch by posting all the inactives. Notice that he doesn't just outright say "hey these guys are inactive, let's lynch one if he continues to lurk", he doesn't even accuse them of lurking. He literally only puts the list up and lets us make of it as we want. Which can only be one thing, an inactive lynch. This is so pure scum play. Content that's not real content, an agenda that's not explicitly stated and this goes well with his contentless posts that he made Night 0. He avoids the list by having posted pointless dribble. Now you might say "but youngminii, maybe he's just a bad town, you're being too harsh on him". Thankfully I went and looked at his game histories. I have two that I will share with you, one where he's a townie and one where he's scum. I'll only limit showing you the very early game posting habits of ilovejonn. + Show Spoiler [ilovejonn's town play] + Okay, for his town play I'll be referring to Mafia XXVIII. What I want you to see is how his posts are either (or a mixture of) helpful, loaded with content, fearless and very accusing. Here's a few of his first posts: On April 09 2011 08:12 ilovejonn wrote: All the newbs read this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=147475 please On April 11 2011 00:11 ilovejonn wrote: If I appear to be inactive, that's because I am really sick atm. I've read 10+ pages and right now GMarshal and Protactinium are top of my list for mayor. However as there is no voting thread yet for whatever reason :S, I'm going to stay in bed and rest until the thread is up and my voting is required. I also like Protact's posts a lot more than GM. Yes, GM is easy to read, but I agree with Protact that he isn't superbly great at analysis. Protact's each and every post was filled with so much content, meeting quality over quantity in my eyes, and gets to the point without beating around the bush. As a town leader (yes, I know his win-condition is not town) and an analyst, I would much more likely be in favor of Protact. I believe even by having him alive in the early game while he still feels like siding with town, he can create a much ideal environment for the town. At least his posts motivate me to play and post better. Also, sure if you think me being sick is an excuse, but I just wanted to get this out there in the case I really cannot post due to illness. I'm already trying my best to keep up with this thread by at least posting Day 1. On April 12 2011 04:02 ilovejonn wrote: ##Vote ilovejonn Placeholder until I get back from work and read everything tonight. He's not even afraid to vote himself as a placeholder. That's how fearless he is as a townie, he doesn't give a second thought to "oh what if people think I'm abstaining my vote until later so I can voteswitch more easily". No, he just does it, because he has no reason to be scared. You are only scared if you are guilty. On April 12 2011 12:14 ilovejonn wrote: If my counting is correct, Dr. H is leading the mayor position with 13 votes and Pardoner landing onto GM with 12 votes. (By the time I am typing this up) There are people who have yet to vote, but with this many new players in the game I'm expecting 1 or 2 modkills. Somehow because GM attracts new players to vote for him it is very unusual and scummy. What I find more scummy is the fact that there are a ton of switch votes towards Dr. H that is making him lead in votes. Like Kavdragon said, Dr. H has said that he would not run for mayor, BUT because he doesn't trust anyone else as mayor other than himself (because that would avoid mafia influence) he ran for mayor. His whole mayor platform is just, "I'm willing to listen to town discussion but if I decide that the town decision doesn't sound right to me, I will lynch whoever I feel is scum. (Even when the majority of the town says the lynch target is not scum) Also, don't blame me if I lynched town because everyone makes mistakes." Yet, he is getting votes purely because of people having a town read on him. I want a townie as Mayor too, but definitely not Dr.H. Having said all this, I'm not saying that Dr. H is scum, I just do not feel comfortable with him being Mayor, especially with all the vote switches onto him. I'm inclined to believe there's at least 1 scum on the list of people that voted for him. These are a few people who decided to switch to him (not complete list of who voted for Dr. H) 13.kevconsim - GM > DocH 16.tnkted - tnkted > DocH > GM (changed vote while I was typing this) 18.urashimakt - Prot > DocH 27.DoctorHelvetica - GM > DocH (lol) 28.darmousseh - GM > DocH 33.redFF - Prot > DocH This list serves no purpose other than for me to keep track of who voted for what, but I decided to share it for those of you who do not do these types of record-keeping. My unwillingness to vote for Dr. H is based on the fact that there are many vote switches for him, as well as the general feelings I get from reading his posts. What I wanted was for GM to be Mayor and Protactinium as Pardoner. I'm not saying the Pardoner is not an important role. I have read about why having scum in this role is not beneficial as it gives reds a free no lynch cycle, but I am still willing to take the risk and offer Prot the position as I feel his abilities and skill can be very beneficial to town, even if he decides to turn against us during the late game. Think about it this way, we have him in the position, he uses his KP and DT checks depending on our decision or we lynch him. Except for his last one to complete his win condition of course. We don't have him in a position and he is forced to use his own judgement and KP that will most likely hit 1 or 2 townies (due to blacks are better off playing townie-like than-scum like). In conclusion, I will place my vote on Protactinium in hopes that he can get the Pardoner position. But the chances are probably very slim because there's less than an hour til Day ends. Just look at how much content this post has! This is great, this is analysis, this is deciding what to do and making a detailed post about what he feels and what he's going to do. All of those quotes were back to back, there was no mindless dribble between them, he didn't spam up the thread with one word posts, he made great posts that were of use to town. This is wildly different to how he's been playing this game. + Show Spoiler [ilovejonn's mafia play] + For his scum play I'll be referring to Mafia XXIX. Again, only the earlier posts (after the day post) as this is what pertains to the current context. On May 04 2011 12:36 ilovejonn wrote: blue font scared me there.... damn you. On May 04 2011 12:59 ilovejonn wrote: Apparently redtooth thinks Irish slipped cause he thought he knows 3-4 ppl playing in this game as ppl on his scum team. Just a misunderstood post imo. On May 04 2011 13:13 ilovejonn wrote: Yes guys.. don't edit. ever. Ahh, there's the ilovejonn we all recognise, all these posts are back to back, starting with his first post after the day post. Absolutely nothing, no content, ONE post faking content. I see a connection. On May 05 2011 04:26 ilovejonn wrote: Just finished reading the thread. I read really slow as I'm often thinking about other stuff when I read. First I'll give my opinion on the Irish13 discussion even though it has dropped. I like what redtooth did do get responses out of people but as he said himself, it became a null tell when almost everyone defended Irish. The post redtooth used to invoke responses from was a post that could have been misinterpreted by people and from seeing people defend Irish, it leads me to believe Irish isn't scum. I've only played 4-5 games on TL mafia, but I'd like to ask what does RSV/RQV stand for? Secondly, my gut feelings tell me that redtooth and chaoser are not scum based on their posts. They are actually quality posts, and even if they are scum, at least what they are posting benefits town for now. It is better to heed the advices in their posts than to bash them for it (for now). I don't want another Kavdragon incident in here again where we lynch someone because they are "too pro-town". Pretty silly. Last but not least, FOS Kurumi and Airblade. Kurumi for his posting behaviour. Why are you posting like that? Maybe English isn't your first language but what about the post with numbers? Are you trying to breadcrumb something? I'm just not understanding your posts. Airblade for saying "At least if we lynch him and he flips town, we won't have to attempt to read those type of posts anymore." That is extremely anti-town. Of course you would want to lynch someone who isn't scum, because then you'd waste a day AND lynched a townie, am I right? Wishy washy. No REAL fos, just a few uncertain questions asked. Also he posts this after other people have already basically raised the same issues. I'm aware ilovejonn hasn't made any posts like this in the current game but I point this out because it is textbook scum play and he's displaying the usual uncertainty and "oh no I'm guilty how do I cover it up as best I can?". On May 05 2011 04:34 ilovejonn wrote: I don't think you should kid about lynches. Our votes are very valuable and it's basically our only way of killing scum. "I don't think", note how he doesn't say this in his town play. On May 05 2011 07:03 ilovejonn wrote: I think this is true. I don't know why he would ask questions such as what was your mafia experience. Sure it generates discussion but is any of that really relevant to scum hunting? Unless this is another one of his plans to draw out responses.. Speaks for itself, not real content, similar to posts in current game. I'm going to end this here. Even though there are more posts I can quote, they're mostly of the same dribble and will only repeat what I've been trying to point out. You can check it out yourself. Verdict? I'm voting for ilovejonn, he's the best lynch candidate (and the first of the game I guess) I can see. I am well aware I'm under scrutiny because of that Zodiac list crap and that if I am wrong about this, I might just be creating an easy bandwagon for mafia to jump on. That said, if you are a townie make sure you don't just jump on the bandwagon until you've read the analysis and read his responses. I eagerly await your response, ilovejonn. | ||
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Since there's no voting thread yet, ##Vote ilovejonn And happy birthday aidnai ^^ | ||
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On June 15 2011 14:52 ilovejonn wrote: hokay there buddy. First off, I'm not going to make a rebuttal out of every point you made because clearly with your PbPA you're stretching a lot of points to justify a conclusion you already had in mind beforehand with posts that don't actually add anything. Also, don't try to do a meta-read on me, I might be playing different because I want to, I may be playing different because I've learned a few things, I might like to use "I think" or "unless of course" because I deemed it necessary to show that I am unsure (it was n0 after all). When you meta read someone, you're heavily biased to see what you wanted to see in the first place anyways. Let's read one of those points: What makes you say a townie wouldn't do that? Wait a minute, I read my post again and what? You take those words out of context and shape them into something that you deem scummy. I lol'd. It also seems to be a recurring theme in your analysis. I'm done here because I don't want to waste time defending myself when I could possibly find scum, but I like the direction you're going for generating discussion since there aren't any posts since Day 1 started, so thanks. Interesting post. I'm not really stretching a lot of points, your posts literally fall into my big box of scum. I am not meta-reading you, I am using meta to support my argument, there's a difference. Also, I'd have to ask, why would you play differently if you won both games, alive and well? That's easy, you're not. You can't just decide to switch off who you are. How did I take those words out of context? The context is you saying those things in this game and in the game you were mafia. A townie doesn't say these things, a townie says what's on his mind without hindrance. You don't want to waste time defending yourself, but you're not finding scum either. You've been decently active and haven't made a single post with content in it. This is a contradiction. Your response has been pretty poor so far, did you even read the part where I showed your scum play and your town play? You kind of just ignored it and said "I might be playing different because I want to", which isn't really a defense. There's no real discussion other than this so unless you're actually going to go find some scum, why don't you spend some time defending yourself? There's nothing else to do so far, why are you avoiding the pressure? | ||
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On June 15 2011 15:09 sinani206 wrote: youngminii: Stop metagaming. Or at least if you have to, don't use it as your only argument. I can see why would be useful in some situations, but with a N0 start, playstyles will be drastically different. It's a good start for early pressure, but don't make it your only argument against anyone. ilovejonn: youngminii is the only one accusing you... Why are you responding with such a long argument? You should ignore accusations like that and just look for more scum. The fact that you are even responding at all is kind of scummy. Just ignore pressure accusations like that and scumhunt. No need for this defense. ? Playstyles aren't different just because of a Night 0 start. I don't get it, there's literally no other discussion, why am I not allowed to accuse/pressure people? Why should he get to ignore it? He's not scumhunting, as we can obviously see, why shouldn't he take the time to defend himself? How is responding to it scummy? None of what you are saying is making sense, except that I am indeed the only one accusing him. | ||
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Anyway, first off, I am scumhunting, I made this post because ilovejonn's play is scummy to me. I am using meta to back my argument, not AS my argument. Second, will you please look for yourself and see that he is not making any effort whatsoever to scumhunt? If he's not going to do anything, take the time to defend yourself. This is not a defense. Just in case you can't separate it for yourself, here is my accusation WITHOUT the meta. + Show Spoiler + On June 14 2011 11:54 ilovejonn wrote: I don't know... I think that requires a few (and by a few I mean a whole lot) more posts. Fluff On June 14 2011 12:15 ilovejonn wrote: @Varpulis I think I'll have to disagree with point number 2. I'd suggest waiting it out so that most people have posted and use their checks on who they think would be scum based on the posts made during night 0. I mean the whole point of this game IS to find scum, unless of course you find the posting behaviour of a "strong player" a bit suspicious, then yea go ahead and use your check on them. If not I heed people to wait until near the end of the night cycle to submit your actions. (unless of course you won't be there on time) Note the uncertainty in this post: "I think", "I'd suggest", "unless of course", "If not", "unless of course (again)". This is quite scummy behaviour, to me it looks like he's just trying to reassure everyone that you don't HAVE to follow his rules if you don't want to because he doesn't want to seem suspicious in any way whatsoever. Which a townie wouldn't do. Hell, not even a blue would do that. On June 14 2011 12:56 ilovejonn wrote: no This is in response to Sandroba's plan. While this is a lot more forward and not as uncertain as the previous post, he's still not contributing any content with this. If you look at this post as if ilovejonn was town, why would he bother making it? If you look at his mafia play (see below) this post kind of stands out pretty clearly. On June 14 2011 13:37 ilovejonn wrote: I'd also like to suggest that people on this list, if you're on towns side of course, to start posting, because you know, getting killed Night 0 sucks. Again with the "I'd also like to suggest". He also doesn't actually post anything, he just quoted the almighty Zodiac list and said "guys you should post" which is the entire point of the list in the first place. On June 14 2011 13:59 ilovejonn wrote: I think we need to move on. The plan is bad, no one should do what sandroba suggested, now we can all stop posting about it. "I think". Obvously the plan is bad, everyone is moving on, you want everyone to stop posting about it yet you're posting about it. There's nothing here, the plan's been heralded as terrible by most of the players. On June 15 2011 11:12 ilovejonn wrote: People who did not post N0: 10. sinani206 17. grassgiraffe 23. LandenC 24. Jacinto Putting 26. Lazorbear in as well for 1 very short post. What's the incentive for a townie posting this? Weeding out inactives. Has there been talk of an inactive lynch? No. Then why would you post this? To me this looks like ilovejonn is trying to quietly push for an (easy) inactive lynch by posting all the inactives. Notice that he doesn't just outright say "hey these guys are inactive, let's lynch one if he continues to lurk", he doesn't even accuse them of lurking. He literally only puts the list up and lets us make of it as we want. Which can only be one thing, an inactive lynch. This is so pure scum play. Content that's not real content, an agenda that's not explicitly stated and this goes well with his contentless posts that he made Night 0. He avoids the list by having posted pointless dribble. | ||
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On June 15 2011 15:31 ilovejonn wrote: Tell me again why a townie would not say those things. Everything I said was to include an extra option to show that you should not do something straight forward and instead be flexible based on what might happen in the future. And you're telling me a townie wouldn't say it out, biased much. Going to sleep see you in a few hours. Yes, I am saying a townie wouldn't be as secure as you were in your posts. It's something that scum tend to do so that they don't appear to support a point/argument/strategy too much in case the rest of the town rejects said point/argument/strategy, in which case the scum would think he's drawn too much attention. It's a psychological thing. | ||
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I dunno about aidnai, I just can't fathom scum being THAT out there and spammy. I completely agree with you in that aidnai is just spamming but.. He's just so open about it. Think of it this way. If you were scum and you went for that style of play where you end up spamming a bit, would you admit that you were spamming? If a blue got sniped and you were indeed part of the mafia that sniped him, would you openly brag? I can't see ANYONE being that bad as mafia. I guess what I'm trying to say is that if aidnai were scum, he'd be the worst scum I've seen in a long time, which is a possibility I guess but not one I'm willing to vote for *at the current time*. Now as for sinani, he looks pretty scummy to me. Let's check the facts so far: He didn't post Night 0 and defended himself by claiming that there was no point in posting He told ilj to completely ignore my analysis and told me that my analysis was shit (paraphrasing) then did a complete 180 turn and apologised to me then told ilj to respond to my analysis He accused OpZ of bandwagoning and to show some better analysis. Try and look at these 3 points from the perspective of mafia and town. What incentive does a townie have to not post Night 0? Not much really. He argued "what's the point in posting wifom etc." but not only is that semi-nonsense (sure you should try and avoid spam but I'm sure you can post something of value) it doesn't really make logical sense. If you create wifom at Night 0, the people that get affected by it most are mafia. For point 2, why would a townie do this? First off, why in the world would a townie tell ilj to ignore my analysis? You can disagree with it, fine, but when there's literally no discussion going on, what's the point of ignoring it? From a mafia point of view, MAYBE ilj and sinani are both mafia, maybe sinani is just being proactive and coming to the defense of someone he knows is town (mafia like to look as townie as possible by semi-defending those that they know are town), I don't really know. The part where he flips it around and apologises to me strikes me as odd though. I don't feel as if he's wronged me in any way, why the apology? I can see this happening from a mafia that wants to regain my trust(?) or something? Anyway point 3, you can't tell someone to analyse people without having any posts with content ==;; I feel as if I've stretched out my points on this one a bit, but for what it's worth (WARNING: META) in SNMMIII I was absolutely 100% certain that sinani was town based off his posts from the first day. His town play that game was so town-like (to me at least, he got lynched that day so I guess others thought he was scum) which I cannot say the same for this game. | ||
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I agree with BC in that if we don't find have a strong case on anyone, we should lynch an inactive, HOWEVER I find the current vote list intriguing. 3 votes on ilj, fair enough, they were all pretty early on. 3 votes for aidnai, again pretty early on and doesn't seem indicative of any bandwagoning or anything. 2 votes for sinani? Both relatively late? For all the flak sinani has been receiving in the past few pages and how scummy his play looks, this looks really suspicious too me. Honestly, how hard would it have been for scum to bandwagon on sinani? For one thing, he looks suspicious as all hell, the ilj/aidnai cases were a bit too early/a non-issue to bandwagon on, but sinani's like a prime target. Is the mafia just trying to let town do whatever they want then vote at the end? (note: it's likely 4-5 of the mafia haven't voted yet, anyone that's already voted should have some pressure relieved since scum like to save their votes towards the end of the day). Again, we see sinani hasn't voted yet and he hasn't really put much of a defense up either. He kind of said something about the SNMMIII thing and then realised it was wrong... Then let it kinda subside without talking about it? Maybe his scumbuddies told him to lay low and hopefully the pressure will just disappear? Which seems to be happening, since a lot of people have fos and stuff on him but only 2 people have voted. Put everyone he's done so far in the game together, coupled with the things I've stated in this post and I'd say he's the best lynch target for now. So in the end, I'm voting sinani. | ||
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I dislike the kenpachi vote, isn't he always like that? It's like trying to lynch bill murray for talking too much ==;; | ||
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Suggest others do the same. | ||
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On June 17 2011 05:12 Kenpachi wrote: because what you say is insanely obvious. Also, inactive lynching never gets my vote because you know.. theyre inactive? they kill themselves. /facepalm | ||
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By the way, imo DTs should check the inactives/lurkers as there's definitely a good number of mafia among them, and they'll be the hardest to read by virtue of what they are. | ||
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Switching vote to ilj. | ||
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On June 17 2011 07:47 GGQ wrote: Lynching an inactive is a crapshoot, lynch an active lurker who is skating by with the barest skeleton of contribution. Lynch Impervious. You literally just said "Doing X is a crapshoot, we should do Y. Do Z." Anyway, man this thread has become a crapfest in the past few hours. Perfect conditions for mafia to be honest. | ||
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On June 17 2011 08:19 VisceraEyes wrote: FoS Sandroba He's either trying to protect someone by shifting votes last minute or making some kind scum-hunting-power-move. I'm more inclined to believe the former. nono it's essentially ilj vs grassgiraffe the likelihood of either of them being mafia is actually quite low, but yeah even if one of them was scum you could just vote for the other to 'hide' your vote, no need to shift your vote to someone completely random | ||
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So uhh, Kenpachi, you realise that pointing out A FUCKING BLUE at night will result in his death right? | ||
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How the fuck is that not scummy. Here are some golden quotes. On June 14 2011 13:32 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: err, guys. Just to point something out. It's "mason" not "manson" "mansion" or any other aberration of the word. On a game related note. This is a NORMAL set up, regardless of whatever this silly PM mechanic is. Focus on behavioral analysis because there is no way to legitimately break the game set up that doesn't come with considerable risk. Think of it this way, in a normal set up with the ability to PM, would you ever recommend a mass role claim Day 2? No, so why the hell would this be any different? Hint: It's not. Focus on behavioral analysis and putting pressure on people, that is how towns have won games in the past, and that's how we will win this game. Making a plan to abuse format is always secondary to behavioral analysis in any set up. My next set of grievances would be that. 1. We can't be sure of your alignment. 2. This plan sucks. 3. I don't know anything of your ability to competently deal with an influx of PM's and sort out the bullshit from the nonbullshit. 4. Plan sucks. NOTE: He came up with the 'plan' to mass mason him. I have actually mason'd him and he's literally done NOTHING about it. We've sent each other 3 PMs basically saying 'sup'. Why the fuck would you make half the town mason you when you're literally not going to do a single thing about it? On June 14 2011 16:02 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I currently just received another masoning, which brings me to 6. Still waiting on others. Ideally I would like to have minimum of 10 people. FOR WHAT? On June 14 2011 17:42 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: medics protect me, problem solved. My goal is different then sandroba's because he wanted to form some half assed blue circle. I am going to use it to kill mafia. I don't use it just to scum hunt, but also to town confirm. Process of elimination baby! That's bullshit, it's the exact same reason as sandroba and you managed to word it differently. On June 15 2011 03:15 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: there is no framing in this game. Stop talking about it. Holy shit. I know where I am placing my bomb tonight, this is ridiculous. WHY WOULD YOU SOFT CLAIM MAD HATTER? ON THE FIRST NIGHT? Nah this is just scum pretending to leave bread crumbs. On June 15 2011 06:55 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I have a better method of organizing blues that doesn't involve a potentially scum third party and is completely transparent to the town. X,Y,Z,1,2 are all inactive players. I take the player count (30) divide by 5. we get groups of 6. if you are a DT/Vig between 1-6 shoot/check X If you are a DT/Vig between 7-12 shoot/check Y If you are a DT/Vig between 13-18 shoot/check Z If you are a DT/Vig between 19-24 shoot/check 1 If you are a DT/Vig between 25-30 shoot/check 2 Minimal overlap, rapes lurkers, don't need some shitty plan that gets you killed, the best part of it is that anyone can make the list of who to check/vig and it can be carried out. What the fuck nonsense is this. On June 15 2011 07:36 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: All I need to say to this is, I am that good. My track record speaks for itself. The only track record necessary in my eyes is this game. It scream out "HAS DONE NOTHING" On June 15 2011 22:44 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I will be a sober, conscious, contributing member of XLII society in roughly 9 hours. On June 16 2011 17:26 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I had a much busier day then I thought, and I ended up going to a party 2.5 hours away last night on an hours notice. But tomorrow I will try to be much more active until I head back into new jersey for a couple of days. Seriously? You get half the town to mason you then you make excuses about how you've been inactive? Nonononononono. "but youngminii you have the let him fly! just wait for him to spread his wings and soar gracefully over the shitfest that TL Mafiaa XLII has become!" On June 17 2011 04:09 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: That's it, Lynch kenpachi. This is ridiculous. You are retarded, and trying to read words off a rock is going to be annoying, so I say we are better off just getting you out of the way right now. This is not flying, this is madness. On June 17 2011 04:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Seriously though, I am not joking. Fuck the other 3 candidates. That was the single worst thing I ever ever read. He is inactive then makes a blanket statement with NO evidence then falls back into inactivity? It's so reckless, and annoying. It needs to go right now. Lynch kenpachi, honestly maybe I make bold statements but at least I provide reasoning. WHAT REASONING ARE YOU KIDDING ME On June 17 2011 09:06 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I just got my DT check back, Kenpachi is mafia. ?????????????????????? ??????????????????? ?????????????????? You said this in the day. I don't even know why'd you say this, it's just stupid. On June 17 2011 18:22 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Remember that time I carried you in Merc Mafia? don't hate~~ just hand grenade He just used past experiences to gain cred even though he's done literally jackall for this game. I did this once too (it was Mafia XXX that was analysed by Ver, just in case you're curious). This is a big factor in the reason why I personally believe he's mafia, but I know most of you won't accept this as a point in my argument. On June 17 2011 18:25 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Just some FYI, every day when I wake up and F5 this thread I am given a choice. I can A. Do some analysis and make sure you guys don't fuck up too bad, or B. Watch a marathon of 24. So far 24 has won the last 2 days. Maybe, just maybe if a vigi shoots Kenpachi tonight, 24 will lose the mental coin toss tomorrow. Just some advice. Why are you playing this game. He makes half of town claim to him, does nothing, pulls this shit?? He's giving excuses for being inactive later. ALERT ALERT THIS IS SCUMMY. On June 18 2011 11:20 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Things like this is why you were supposed to be killed last night. damn it. This just looks like he's taunting town to see how far he can get away with it. I'm sure it is too. Him being mafia can also explain his whole "DTs don't check anyone in the Zodiac list (including me)!!!" What do you have to say RoL? Because at this point you look FAR scummier than Kenpachi or even Hiro is. | ||
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On June 20 2011 04:28 Varpulis wrote: I'm still really unsure about syllogism. I've read through his posts 3 times, and I can't confidently say mafia or town. I'm leaving my vote on Hiro, at least for the time being. I suggest that we consolidate our votes to three possible lynches, to avoid letting scum hide behind outlier votes.
Is that list OK with people? Everybody should pick one, and vote for them, providing reasons as to why they are picking that person over the other two. Protest voting a lurker or somebody in no danger of being lynched is not going to accomplish anything. There's no need to explicitly state "these 3 people", it'll become a battle between them anyway. I know I posted a bunch of stuff on RoL but I never actually voted for him because it was just pressure, which seems to have made its point ^^ I'm voting for Hiro because, what can I say, he just seems really scummy to me. He's been accused by two people with separate analyses (which have made perfect sense by the way, I don't know why I didn't pay more attention to them earlier) and lol at his responses He just keeps going around being scum. I COULD give examples, but aidnai and sinani already have. My mind is undecided about Syllogism by the way. | ||
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If I were DT I would check RoL. If I were Vig I'd hit hiro. That is all. | ||
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On June 21 2011 11:20 ~OpZ~ wrote: So you let it leak you were blue to RoL, and they popped Sandroba and you? Did anyone else know about this plan? ANYONE. BC, for instance? ...Time to look at vote lists. of course bc knew about the plan have you been reading the thread AT ALL? | ||
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On June 21 2011 11:11 Mataza wrote: Bam! I love it when a plan comes together. Veteran here, I have taken a hit. I don´t know how exactly the death math turns out but I´m hit regardless. FoS RoL, since Sandroba told RoL via PM I´m blue. Coincidently Sandroba mysteriously died tonight. Removing the witnesses too, are we? mm i'm betting my money on another explanation rol and node were going head to head quite a bit i know they could be doing the shift but the simpler explanation is usually the right one, and for now we should take that into consideration | ||
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which is why my post count randomly soared (LR threads) and i haven't been posting here as much it finished though so i've got my full attention here | ||
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On June 21 2011 11:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Makes sense. If you told us both same night it wouldnt be tell you anything about either of us. This PM land stuff is tempting me to mason one of you. How secure if your PM circle? | ||
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On June 21 2011 11:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I currently have 3 mason'd people alive, 1 as of like 2 hours ago, 1 who mason'd me then never messaged, and one I mason'd. Hiro and sand were both mason'd to me. Hiro mason'd me start of last night, and sand end of day 1. Is the person who mason'd you 2 hours ago someone who hasn't posted in the last 5 pages? I had a guy mason me a couple hours ago too. | ||
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Out of the lurkers, landenc seems the most scummy to me. Fudgemunkey seems like a townie that became bored towards the later stages. Vote going to landenc for now. | ||
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lynching opz or rol is nothing more than a crapshoot get a lurker, the lurkers at this stage are just scummy as all hell landenc (and probably demorcerf) would have been modkilled for inactivity if they weren't mafia, the fact that they are keeps them coming back to make one single post obvious lynches | ||
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there's quite a decent chance that they're all red the only reason i was hesitant on lynching rol was because he's masoned to so many people but yeah all the evidence points against him, if he ends up non-red though i will not be happy | ||
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You've had 3 days to 'dominate' and use your PM network. It seems as if your recurring theme this game is "fuck you I'll dominate this game later". Anyway if you don't end up scum then mataza will obviously have some explaining to do. | ||
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On June 22 2011 06:25 VisceraEyes wrote: @RoL Is there any way your 'mafia tutorial' would NOT apply DIRECTLY to ~OpZ~ as well, if not more accurately than it applies to YM? his mafia tutorial is 100% incorrect don't listen | ||
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On June 22 2011 09:07 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: the problem with this is if I die then tomorrow we are 7-5 mafia, however if I am right on youngminii, which I am then we will be 9-4 which is much better. the problem with his is if I die then tomorrow we are 7-5 mafia, however if EVERYONE is right on rol, which EVERYONE is then we will be 9-4 which is much better. | ||
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then you make one line saying 'i agree with this guy' especially when: On June 18 2011 06:50 Mr. Wiggles wrote: If I were a medic? aidnai, youngminii, maybe someone else. Blues should use their own discretion though. surely you'd have to have thought i was pretty townie if you wanted a medic to use their save on me i don't want this to be ignored, answer it when you're here | ||
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On June 22 2011 09:25 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Wow, solid argument youngminii. Why don't you give a shot to debunking my analysis or actually contributing? You are scum and the next 25 hours of this game are going to be dedicated to me making sure you die in my place. ? you didn't debunk my analysis a few days ago why should i treat you any better than you've treated me? i even mason'd you and you barely used that | ||
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On June 22 2011 06:04 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Alright well, lets start off with a basic explanation of mafia thread behavior. First off on day one, they will either start or support a bad lynch which is pretty easy and lacks suspicion just because everyone knows day 1 sucks. After that the mafia generally start and support bad lynches, but generally they won't comment on the lynch, or will express their reservations about the target. Most importantly though, when a town is fucking up, just let them run their war path and don't do shit. This is blatantly false. Mafia do not start or strongly support lynches the first day. Even IF we assumed they did, HOW WAS THE LYNCH ON ILJ EASY? I literally took 7 posts of him based on what I thought and made that into an analysis for pressure. I then moved off of him because his reactions did not fit the scum picture. The only reason I moved back was because it was either a choice between ilj or grass, and at the time I thought ilj was scummier than grass, if I had to choose. The funny thing about "After that the mafia generally start and support bad lynches" is that the syllogism lynch was terrible and started by RoL. I voted for hiro because again, I thought he was scummier than syllogism and they were the only 2 to choose from. Youngminii is guilty of all of the above. Day 1 he started the wagon on ILJ with shitty reasoning and later claimed it was to apply pressure, and that he didn't think ILJ was scummy, which is complete bullshit. Read his relentless assault against ILJ, a helpless townie who got hit by a train. He goes PBP then when ILJ starts trying to counter it he continues to bash him relentlessly. ILJ not being skilled enough to defend himself gets freighted. It's not entirely ILJ's fault though, day 1 is hard to defend yourself, especially for newer players. lol Day 2 he half ass pushes me, and as soon as I post back he claims its just to pressure me to start posting. Smart by him, since it took him off my radar temporarily, and because arguing with me would of been stupid to do. At that point the wagons on syllogism and hiro are already building, and youngminii goes AFK and lets us fuck up on our own. The thread inactivity had me feeling weird, but unluckily for me most of my scum suspects were on hiro, so I pushed through with the syllogism lynch thinking that was enough. But look at this from a mafia perspective. None of your members are under fire and the town is on its way to a bad lynch and utter confusion the next day? what are you to do as scum? Sit back and let them fuck themselves. Which is exactly what he did. Maybe he was busy with dreamhack LRing, but honestly he is still on TL.Net and you are telling me you were WAY too busy to even look at the mafia thread? Even between games? Bullshit. I think RoL has something against pressure. I did the exact same thing to ilj the day before?? Yeah I was AFK for the syllogism/hiro trainwreck, but so was half the town. Stop tunnelling. Day 3, he knows my lynch is a crapshoot and acts coy at first, then jumps on my bandwagon. But seriously, don't take my overview of this entire scenario for fact, I am going to go a step further and give you an analysis of youngminii, even if you bastards are going to kill me anyway. Day 1 This is where he starts his band wagon on ILJ. As pointed out later, a lot of this is stretched, and to be honest this is a fine thing to do just to get ILJ to start posting. But he goes further then that. There was pages of this bullshit, him going back and forth with ILJ just reiterating his shitty points and twisting ILJ's words. From ILJ's defense posts its pretty clear he was townie, he wasn't responding in a passive aggressive way and the wagon on him built too easily. But seriously, why is youngminii tunneling so hard here? It was off an analysis he later admits was just for pressure and wasn't even good. So let me get this straight. The goal of you relentlessly attacking ILJ was to just judge his reaction? Then why didn't you focus on other people after he gave more than adequate responses to your shitty analysis? Well hey, maybe we can say the pressure revealed to you he must of been mafia! ...but then we have this! So you are pretty sure that neither of them are mafia? Cool, then why did you push ILJ so hard? Simple, because right now you are trying to avoid town backlash for tunneling a townie for half the day cycle until a sufficient band wagon had formed. lol most of this is bullshit and clear tunnelling In fact he's doing what he accused me of doing to me RIGHT NOW! :O Day 2 One of the first posts of day 2, you pressure me hard then claim it was a lawljoke to get me to post. This is seriously a condemning post when contrasted with his response to Mataza's accusation of me on D3. Just so no one misses the point, I am going to travel to the future for a moemnt. Seriously, why do you hate pressure? Yeah it's extended pressure because I don't like being a pussy with one post against the guy and as soon as he posts something I move back, I'll stick against him until I'm satisfied with his answers. Exactly as you are doing to me. EXACTLY. (By the way he's interrogating me on skype if you hadn't realised). So lynching me and opz is a crapshoot huh? You did an analysis of me not even a day ago to "pressure" me, but now there is a seriously good case against me and you respond that its a crapshoot? This is mafia knowing we are heading into a shit direction and trying to be the one voice of reason in this mess, except anyone with any sense of reasoning would lynch me off of mataza's post. So far Mr. youngminii has showcased quite a bit of bipolarity. One minute hes pushing the shit out of ILJ, the next he is saying how much of a shitfest the lynch was. The next day I am scum suspect #1, and the following day when someone else is pressuring me, all of a sudden I am a crapshoot? Bullshit. When I die you are coming with me. If you take the stance of someone who DID NOT BELIEVE the trap that Mataza claimed was true, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING RIGHT NOW ON SKYPE, then yes, lynching you or opz would be a crapshoot because we basically had nullreads on both ya'll. I don't get why you hate my pressure. I really don't. This is you hiding behind other peoples analysis on a lynch in which you are letting the town fuck itself up. You know my push on syllogism is going bad places, and you know the hiro lynch is going bad places? What to do as mafia? Post agreeing with someone, get your vote in, go afk and let the town fuck itself. Which is exactly what you did. WHAT DOES THIS EVEN MEAN HALF THE TOWN DIDN'T EVEN POST THE OTHER HALF DID WHAT YOU ARE ACCUSING ME OF your analysis is frustrating very This is a classic scumtell the "Oh what bad luck for us!" bullshit. Thanks for accusing me of tunneling guy who pushed ILJ relentlessly Day 1. Proceeds to go AFK for rest of the night cycle. I didn't say it was bad luck. I said you made a rubbish case filled with tunneling, just like you're doing to me right now. And yeah, I didn't post much in the night cycle because THERE WAS NOTHING TO POST and NOBODY ELSE WAS POSTING. I don' recall ever arguing with node, especially since I barely posted except making fun of kenpachi in Day 1, and node was playing from a cell phone. Now the obvious explanation for this post is that you are distancing yourself from a lynch you know is going to be bad, even if the face of a solid and good case against me. + Show Spoiler + On June 17 2011 17:22 Node wrote: If RoL is blue (and the safe money is on he isn't) he's a vet trying to draw a mafia shot by claiming everything under the sun. But the fact that Kenpachi of all people realized that he's playing terribly should underline just how useless RoL has been so far this game. I also fail to understand how Kenpachi is pointing out a blue when he calls RoL the GF. On June 20 2011 08:30 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: No one defended me or said ANYTHING for the first 24 hours of the day. Stop making stupid arguments. I made sure to wait that long before starting to defend myself just so that when people made your exact counter argument, I can show that no one defended me for the first 24 hours where I was 6-7 votes up. I know you aren't stupid enough to actually believe what you are saying, so that leaves the next question of why are you saying this? If there is a mad hatter, I would without a doubt suggest you as a target. On June 20 2011 10:26 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: When voting is this close its most likely we have one mafia. If we had two they would just bus one of them, if we had 0 then it wouldn't be split. If we lynch a green, then we hit the other imo. Node is an alright hit too, when the night phase comes I will try to organize DT/Vig/Hatter accordingly. On June 17 2011 10:19 Node wrote: Hey guys, sorry that I've been absent for most of the day, but I'm finally caught up on the thread now. Between an ill-timed power outage and my computer shitting its bed I haven't been able to post. Hopefully there will be no more issues from here on out. My thoughts: I don't think ilovejonn is scum. The initial case presented against him by youngminii was flimsy at best, and I don't understand what was so bad about his defense. I dislike that he went inactive, but I can understand his vote on GGQ, and at least he has been following the schedule he set for when he won't be here, unlike, say, RoL. I also like his analysis of Shraft. Speaking of which, RoL needs to step it up. He's posting like shit. He's claimed both Mad Hatter and Detective now, and I'd bet all of my money forever that both claims are BS. If anyone knows the value of not claiming detective on motherfucking day 1, it's RoL. He's also tried to get a ridiculous number of people to blow their mason usage on him, though if I had to guess he's gotten three people max. The only person he's gone after is Kenpachi, the textbook definition of "easy target", especially on day 1. I also find the timing of the Overall I think he's only served to confuse and mislead the town, so for now I'm going to FoS RebirthOfLeGenD. I don't think any particularly good cases have been brought up against any of the three main lynch targets (sinani, ilovejonn, aidnai), though the only one I'm pretty sure is town is ilovejonn. So unless something drastic happens in the next 45 minutes, I'm perfectly fine with voting for a lurker. Voting grassgiraffe. this is just funny, trying to not appear scum while asking if BC's PM circle is secure? Well it probably is unless he invites you into it rofl. ?? Junk/tunnel/fail ?? hey I completely agree with this post, but only because I know I am town, and I am pretty sure opz is also town. Once again staring in the face of a good argument, youngminii knowing I am not scum decides to try to build town credit by expressing his concerns. lalala COMPLETE tunnel Wow, wasn't it hard to sway you here? (Read: It wasn't) and I have 2 masons alive at the moment, and saying my lynch was a crapshoot doesn't equate to you worrying about my mason count. BUT GUYS, IF WE FUCK THIS UP YOUNGMINII WONT BE HAPPY? Hint: He knows it's a fuckjob. I went with it because he said he was SURE. I told you and I'll tell everyone else this, I rejected to idea first until he said he was CERTAIN that you fell for the trap. Unfortunately mataza fucked up. This is why I'm (generally) against traps, it makes newer players overeager and they try all this shit which ends up blowing up in town's face. Do it once you're a vet. Please. Hey mataza, he's already trying to set you up for tomorrow's lynch, he knows this train is going south, and he wants to make sure everyone knows you were in the conductors seat as this train went off a cliff. In 3 posts, mere hours apart his conviction on me as gone from "THIS IS A CRAPSHOOT" to "FUCK ROL, but srsly, if hes town kill Mataza" LOL tunnel MAYBE you should think about it and realise "hey, if player Y's plan makes CERTAIN player X is red, and player X flips green, player Y better have some explaining to do" Conclusion I would like it if you guys would lynch youngminii instead of me, but I figure that isn't going to happen. The case is VERY strong against youngminii. I would also like to stress this next point. When I flip green, do NOT kill Mataza, kill youngminii. So far on Day 3 all youngminii has done was set him up to be the one guy who stood against my lynch. So do what you guys want to do, like I said earlier, I will go silently to my death. If you think this analysis makes enough sense I would encourage you to vote youngminii in my place, then hell have me vigi'd tonight if you want. I really don't care. Anyway, I am heading to the gym for now, I will drop my vote on youngminii and whoever wants to follow suite feel free. But I stress that you must NOT hold Mataza accountable for my lynch, and instead look at youngminii. Youngminii's posting actually makes me even less suspicious of Mataza because he is clearly trying to set mataza up for tomorrows lynch. I imagine I can't have much more to say. Maybe when I get home I will try to do some more analysis, but for now this is all I have. GL ##Vote youngminii Yeah no this was a rubbish analysis with 99% tunneling involved. HOWEVER, I do feel RoL is just being a silly townie, and apparently (based on what he's been telling me on skype) the plan was a fail plan and sandroba/mataza simply fucked up. Confirm, mataza? Also, I took the time to reply to this terrible post, at least take the time to read it with an open mind (RoL stated that he's 100% sure I'm scum and that he won't ever relent no matter what happens on skype). | ||
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i seriously cannot find it for myself even though i'm reading your posts over and over again am i missing something because i'm blind? [19.06.2011 20:58:08] Sandro Maculan: not telling [19.06.2011 20:58:12] Sandro Maculan: just crumbing ?? | ||
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if you are wrong about this look, basically if we lynch RoL today and he flips non-red, then (i dunno what the rest of town is thinking but i'm assuming they'll take RoL's analysis for truth) I'll be lynched tomorrow and we'll lose you can understand why people are apprehensive to listen to your 'plan' either way, i'll move my vote back to RoL since absolutely no one is looking to vote for landenc/demorcerf (WHICH IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING BY THE FUCKING WAY) | ||
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On June 22 2011 15:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote: So, your claiming that RoL was told of something that you don't actually have proof of? This is sounding scummier by the moment. Are you really thinking Mataza is scum? He's obviously 99% a vet. Uncharacteristic play from you. | ||
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you can't seriously expect me to believe scum mataza had the foresight to plan this from the very start his entire argument hasn't really been debunked it's just an issue of whether or not to believe mataza or rol rol's good enough to know what to do in this situation (as scum), and if you're convinced the OBVIOUS vet is scum then obviously rol's doing a good job but yeah if neither of them are red this whole situation is fucked and mataza shall never be trusted again ![]() | ||
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On June 22 2011 16:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You mean like your analysis on him day 2? which was very familiar to your day 1 tunnel of ILJ that led to a townie? kenpachi's too i'm just saying, if you want to look for them they're there i'm sure you could weed out all the retarded parts of them | ||
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On June 20 2011 12:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Idea for night actions Currently here is what I would like to do. I want ALL vigilantes to target hiro tonight. Vigilante hits get refunded if they are stacked with mafia or anything else, so we won't be wasting hits. I will also carefully think through how I would like to try to organize the remaining DT/Hatters and on what subjects to have them act. All ideas are welcome for this. my initial thoughts are Mataza, DeMorcerf, and VisceraEyes HAHAHAHAHHA AHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH | ||
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On June 22 2011 17:45 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: ....? You caught me, I am definitely not above using elaborate strategies to confuse mafia. wait.... look at how I avoided dying so far? There is a reason that while we are both considered vets, that I am on a whole different level and its because I can change up styles to do what needs to be done. Much like Jack Bauer.... ok there's absolutely no way i'm letting you live today just wait until the game is over and you'll see that your tunneling of me was terrible if not horrific once we kill you maybe we'll FINALLY get to tackle the lurkers | ||
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- I want to focus on lurkers, primarily LandenC and demorcerf - Mataza claimed Vet and that he was hit. He also claimed to have set up a plan with Sandroba (who is now dead) - This plan was sprung and apparently paints RoL as scum - Mataza is absolutely sure that the plan went off, RoL denies taking the bait while Mataza claims Sandroba made absolutely sure RoL took the bait - BC thinks Mataza is making this all up in an elaborate plan set up by the mafia - RoL posts an analysis where he believes that I am mafia - RoL claims Vig, however just last night he posted: [QUOTE]On June 20 2011 12:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Idea for night actions Currently here is what I would like to do. I want ALL vigilantes to target hiro tonight. Vigilante hits get refunded if they are stacked with mafia or anything else, so we won't be wasting hits. I will also carefully think through how I would like to try to organize the remaining DT/Hatters and on what subjects to have them act. All ideas are welcome for this. my initial thoughts are Mataza, DeMorcerf, and VisceraEyes - RoL claims he was 'tricking' the mafia Basically it's coming down to lynching RoL based on Mataza's plan, his slip up with the Vig claim and his past history I guess, or me based on RoL's analysis. Keep in mind the same tunneling style that RoL used in the previous day's syllogism lynch. | ||
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On June 23 2011 00:41 Varpulis wrote: I'm not sure if I'm overly trusting or just being stupid, but RoL is making a lot of sense to me. His points, coupled with BC's criticism and Mataza's lack of evidence leads me to believe that it's either a ploy by scum or a really unlucky circumstance. Also, I've been very suspicious of FudgeMunkey for a long time. If RoL vigi's him tonight, I'm content with letting him live. FudgeMunkey half responded to my analysis, ignored RoL's, and continues to lurk and sheep. ##unvote ##vote Youngminii If he flips green I want to see RoL dead by the morning, k? you know why scum claim vig don't you because scum can hit people herp derp | ||
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On June 23 2011 01:13 Varpulis wrote: If scum want to kill themselves, i'm cool with that. If FudgeMunkey isn't scum i'll be quite surprised. you have to learn to differentiate townies that just get bored of the game and scum who are barely hanging on by a thread fudge is the former, landenc is definitely the latter and probably demorcerf too, dunno about jacinto shraft is flying way under the radar too see the thing i'm afraid of is the scenario where we're just all town shooting at each other while 4/5 scum are lurkers that haven't come up on anyone's radar because they've just hidden in plain sight | ||
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what's with the hostility man i have NEVER, not once said that i am better than anyone else in this game in fact, the ONLY person who's been tossing around the "I'm the best player ever guys I'm going to tear shit apart" is RoL okay basically EVERYONE in this thread has to take it down a notch, a hostile town is good for scum, don't misinterpret my posts as discrediting you, i am merely pointing out what i believe, if you don't like it then okay fine but obviously i'll try to convince you otherwise for the purposes of winning this game this applies to you too mataza, stop being a trigger finger at anyone who doesn't agree with you | ||
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![]() sorry i wasn't here at the end of day, i was unconscious (long story) also, nothing was taken to heart, don't worry ^^ | ||
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![]() saw it coming | ||
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FAAAAAAAAAAAAAIL | ||
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mataza and sandroba made a plan led to the most fail thing i've ever seen ALSO rol and bc made a plan rol was basically lying about fucking everything to get his way because he thought he was right in every step of his plan, which he devised WITH bc an example was bc claimed vig to rol and so when rol was under pressure he claimed vig and was going to use bc's vig powers to clear himself so that he could press his own agenda pm games always end up like this, godddddd | ||
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but yeah that game didn't end well for town there's always next time ^_^_^_^_^ | ||
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if you're vet, do what RoL did and make yourself the center of town with people masoning you if you really want to make a trap, make it OBVIOUS, it really is a poor trap because it relies on someone catching onto a HINT i basically knew BC was scum as soon as RoL told me about his exchanges with BC (after i died) but obviously i couldn't say anything to him, it still shocks me that RoL didn't see it what i learnt from this game: 1. policy lynches should become more of a norm in public games seeing as lurkers get away with everything 2. tunneling is terrible, i mean i was pressuring/tunneling but with only 48 hours to decide who to lynch, even though i moved my vote away my pressure votes/analyses basically became the actual lynch just because there was usually only one other person to lynch who was just as bad of a lynch as the one i started oh and RoL just tunneled to the death which was obviously bad 3. stop using pm land as 99% of the game, if pm land was a country then BC would be dictator of the world 4. i suck (and so do you) also did the mafia hit sandroba and mataza out of sheer coincidence? | ||
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STOP FUCKING LYING AS A TOWNIE WHAT THE FUCK | ||
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IF i ended up town, we auto-lose because town would lynch you the next day NO MATTER WHAT at that point it would have been better for you to roll over and die, or at least out BC for what he was saying (which was 100% obvious based on what you were saying to me), i'm not saying you should have done that but i'm saying even that was a better choice than tunneling me you tunneled me because you were absolutely sure that i was scum and you would not change your vote NO MATTER WHAT I DID OR SAID, that's literally worse than tunneling, you even TOLD me this in our skype convos where i constantly pleaded with you to change our votes because of the possibility that we were both town shooting each other which would result in a scum auto-win i don't get why you're trying to make excuses for your play, you played terribly, live with it | ||
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you basically made it all about you and me did i ever say i played good? no, but i'm not going to sit here and watch you go around saying everyone else did shitty while you played probably the worst out of all of us you boasted about being fucking pro at the start you lurked the first day and a half you lied you tunneled two townies you refused to back down you sided with a godfather ? where did you play well? am i missing something? | ||
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i practically begged you not to lynch me on skype i kept trying to convince you but you kept pulling out your "i'll stop if you tell me who your scum buddies are" or "why, so you can win the game scum?" you literally did not listen to a word i said it's not that i didn't try, it's that you selectively chose not to read what i was telling you | ||
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