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 Just to catch up with everything, Sandroba's plan has already been sufficiently debunked. If RoL is actually masoning with tons of people... good for him I guess? but as was pointed out with sandroba's plan, if RoL dies, all those people lose their mason connection, so... yeah, regardless, I'm not masoning with anyone AT LEAST until day, and even then, I'll probably save one of them for a few days when I have better reads on everyone. I'm really relieved to have a PM game again, haven't been too many recently. | ||
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Saying scum will be discouraged from hitting the zodiac list because of making themselves look more suspicious is BS-- 1) there are statistically 1-2 scum in the list of 8, with three KP even if all three hits go into the zodiac list, that leaves us with 1-2 scum out of 5, when the general population is already 1 out of 5. 2) numbers are rarely a good way of scumhunting anyway (I konw impervious probably disagrees) 3) saving forum vets is more important than saving random noobs 4) medic prots are a better way of discouraging KP than threats about looking suspicious That being said, I think that impervious and myself have as much experience as players like youngmini or scamp or Wiggles (scamp might have played a bunch before I got here, not sure). So is there any reason we're not included in the list? | ||
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For other new-er blues in this game, i'm gonna bring this up since Chaos13 is dead already anyway: look at chaos13's posts. There's like 4-5 of them from N0, and all but maybe one are giving blues advice, asking for blue advice, or otherwise discussing blue roles. IMO, he was a pretty obvious snipe. Moral of the story: don't spend a lot of time talking about blues and nothing else. We can talk about this more post-game. Scamp, the game GGQ is talking about is XXXVII. Ver = Ser Aspi. Although he and jackal did use PMs well, especially when it came to the endgame, the town kinda got lucky with a huge town circle that cleared LSB who otherwise would have been a great and easy mislynch for scum to push. So... yeah, like almost every game, it wasn't perfect play (or what we imagine is perfect) that won that game for town. Back to this game: I can only assume that Pondo was an attempted blue snipe. Not sure about kita. I find it odd that scum went for blue snipes over forum vets n0. I take this to mean that BC's zodiac was successful in deterring hits... Well, that's only good for us imo. | ||
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##Vote: Grassgiraffe On June 09 2011 20:08 AnxiousHippo wrote: I can account for this guy. He's my friend IRL, he won't let you down. Your friend said you wouldn't disappoint. Prove him wrong, make my day. | ||
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On June 15 2011 15:31 ilovejonn wrote: Tell me again why a townie would not say those things. Everything I said was to include an extra option to show that you should not do something straight forward and instead be flexible based on what might happen in the future. And you're telling me a townie wouldn't say it out, biased much. Going to sleep see you in a few hours. This is exactly the wrong approach--the scum approach. "Hmm, I need to look like a townie, what would a townie say in this situation?" Townies say all kinds of things--we have sinani206 (presumably town) for instance saying, don't meta, scum hunt. We have BC saying we should use a zodiac list and not protect people on it night 0, etc. In a lot of cases, it's not what is said, it's how. And how you made your post is exactly what YM picked up on--you WERE uncertain and timid. Therefore, your defense actually makes you look worse in my eyes. If you're gonna defend yourself, tell me these two things: 1) do you agree/disagree that your current play is similar to your scum play in XXIX rather than your town play in XXVIII. 2) can you provide a rationale for why your posting so far looks like your scum play more than your town play? And sinani, btw, you saying don't use meta b/c of night 0 start is bullshit. Maybe you're worried because you didn't post anything at night, and that doesn't fit with your town meta? whatever, meta is a very important part of good analysis, and having one little mechanic change is not going to change that. | ||
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On June 15 2011 17:17 Scamp wrote: Well, my vote will be on aidnai until he can shake off the stench of spam and blue-snipe bragging. And oh yes, I see this and I'm ignoring it. I feel entitled to make 2 spam posts in a mafia game ON MY GODDAMN BIRTHDAY. | ||
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it's obvious this is what scum do when the thread moves 0.02 pages per hour morons | ||
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The main issue I'm having now with your latest post is the disconnect between this: On June 16 2011 02:40 ilovejonn wrote: ... I'll be posting analysis when I actually have a plausible case... and this On June 16 2011 02:40 ilovejonn wrote: ##Vote: GGQ. If you don't have a plausible case, why vote? | ||
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Sinani has a good point about OpZ, and it applies to scamp as well in my opinion. Both zodiac list players, both voting for me with almost zero thread presence other than a one liner excuse for their vote. (scamp also did show some aggression towards GGQ but doesn't seem interested in following that up). Very disappointing to say the least -- every newb townie is like "hurr durr, this guy is active/vocal, he's suspicious, FOS", but why supposed vets are doing this is beyond me. Another, maybe bigger problem is that the other zodiac players (most of the town actually) are awol still... BC, wiggles, node, RoL? edit BEFORE post: ok, left this open for a while I was doing other stuff, I see it's been ninja'd severely, but I have to leave and can't change anything right now. | ||
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I'll be honest, I think the thread is moving far too slowly. A large portion of the town has not posted, because they are all waiting to see...something, I don't know what. Maybe this will help everyone understand my posting in this game: I'm extremely bored at the moment irl and disappointed every time I check this thread and it's been 2 hours with no posts TT. So yeah, I'm making some noise. And yeah, it's day 1 and it's pretty difficult to make all my posts "productive" or "useful". I'm gonna post a list of people that are too quiet so far, or not at all day 1. (I'm obviously shifting focus away from all the scum we've already found with out amazing day 1 scum hunting.) BC Node Kenpachi (lol) Sandroba - haven't heard from this guy since his plan got shot down :/ hiro protagonist GGQ grassgiraffe - total afk demorcerf - this guy has one post from N0, kinda longish, which is chock full of questions directed at no one... he appears unable to think things through as a townie, either is a paralyzed noob or a scum mig - only post is re: sandroba's plan, after it was already dead. impervious - a couple substance free posts N0 along with the statement "once it's day we can talk" Landenc - total afk jacinto - total afk lazorbear RoL - said he would be productive in 9 hours, about 11-12 hours ago. Not to be a stickler, just saying... Thats like half the town, and we're halfway through our second phase. | ||
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Also, I'm removing BC from my totally-inactive-so-far-day-one list. | ||
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As for the day's plan: I don't mind remaining a discussion/lynch target for the moment. If nothing else, my big mouth today should give others SOMETHING to give an opinion on. | ||
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ILJ's response to pressure makes him look scummier than the original pressure did. That being said, this is only a day1 case, and at least ILJ is one of the active ones. (yah i'm mostly parroting BC). The case against Sinani is basically: wtf?!? Why would a townie post that way? Well, consider also, why would a scum post that way? It's easier for me to imagine a townie posting that way than a scum. Consider: a townie doesn't want the thread to be derailed by a bad analysis, so he tries to nip it in the bud. Maybe? Also, he changed his mind in the correct direction, which is kinda null in my opinion, not scummy. Long story short, I don't really think there's a good case against him. If we had to lynch among the three of us, ILJ would get my vote. But I doubt my vote will actually go there. | ||
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1) we're not even trying to find a scum, we're just punishing bad behaviour. This is better left to vigi's, ala Ace's nice advice piece here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=232671 2) It's a scum favored delay tactic -- we give up a real lynch which people have argued back and forth about, and in the end we get --- another round of night kills, a bunch of day 1 discussion that means a lot less without any relevant flip. 3) ILJ is as good as an inactive at this point. 4) ILJ responded poorly to pressure, you're not gonna get much better than this day 1. All that said, ##VOTE: ilovejonn | ||
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cute pressure by YM -> bad defense 1) don't meta me 2) why wouldn't a townie say these things? 3) OMGUS (I hadn't voted him, but I was keeping the pressure on him at that point) 4) scum are happy with how this is going, go look at lurkers, sayonara ILJ said he would post an analysis when he found a plausible case, instead he voted for GGQ and then me without any case whatsoever. ILJ never yet has posted a good explanation for the similarities between his play this game and his play as scum in past games. ILJ made a bad defense, and when the pressure turned up checked out of the thread. He's the best lynch today. | ||
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On the other hand, I've been reading hiro's posts and holy shit he is scummy. If I thought that ILJ was innocent, I would be pushing hiro right now, I don't care if it's three hours to lynch. And you're right viscera, the huge scumslip is not the most, much less the only scummy thing he's done. Sandroba, you get +town cred if you make a real case on him. | ||
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a) claiming DT b) timing c) claiming DT d) claiming DT... | ||
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ILJ, you want to find scum, that's the list you should be looking at. BloodyC0bbler, LandenC, Jacinto, VisceraEyes, hiro protagonist Lurkers, including hiro, plus viscera, who tried to make sandroba look scummy for pushing hiro. You five on the GG list, switch to hiro or provide a reason why you don't think he's scum. There's absolutely no evidence for/against GG right now, it's an easy copout lynch and a way for you to skate by today without taking a stance on anyone. I'm staying on ILJ because I don't care if it's him or hiro that gets lynched today. BTW, i'm pleased with the collective non-response to RoL's bullshit. | ||
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your list becomes suspicious if/when you flip town. There are, in my opinion, good reasons to vote for you. There are no good reasons to vote for GG. Shraft has been making posts that are easy to make as a scum, but they aren't NECESSARILY scummy, and certainly if you flip red he'll look a lot better. Visc, I see what you're saying now. | ||
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On June 15 2011 04:07 Shraft wrote: Quelling discussion during N0 isn't necessarily a bad thing. In fact, there is nothing we can accomplish with discussion now that we can't do during D1. With this in mind, we should refrain from posting so that we don't accidentally give away any blue roles to the Mafia. Anyway, I had my graduation today and I am going out with some friends. I will be back to read the thread tomorrow evening. On June 15 2011 04:07 Shraft wrote: Quelling discussion during N0 isn't necessarily a bad thing. In fact, there is nothing we can accomplish with discussion now that we can't do during D1. With this in mind, we should refrain from posting so that we don't accidentally give away any blue roles to the Mafia. Anyway, I had my graduation today and I am going out with some friends. I will be back to read the thread tomorrow evening. Does shraft say anything here? no, just excuses for not saying anything. This is easy for a scum to do. BUT, a townie could easily make this post too...I know townies that don't like posting at night (i'm actually one of them), and I know people have other things that keep them from the thread...so it's null. Pretty much all of Shrafts posts are the same as this for me...easy posts for scum to make, but not necessarily scummy. oh shit it's time... | ||
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On June 17 2011 15:01 FudgeMunkey wrote: KP means Kill power! For every kill power the Mafia has they can kill each night... Mafia currently have 3 KP so they can kill 3 people per night... Hope that cleared it up. Are you sure? i think it could mean kenpachi... And why are you laughing RoL? that's a serious business accusation against you... + Show Spoiler + trollolol on a serious note, I'm going on vacation for a couple days, will only have my kindle to post on. So I'm gonna do my heavy lifting now, I normally don't like posting at night, but what the hey... | ||
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hiro protagonist Here is my case against hiro. 1) He hides his true agenda with his posts, and does not follow through with his "townie" lines of thought or actions, proving that they are for show only. 2) He is afraid of looking suspicious. 3) He made two posts that are bad enough to be considered scum slips, i.e. he let his true colors shine through. 4) Comparison to his scum play in SNMM II shows important similarities. There are other points that could be brought up, but this should suffice. And maybe other people will find them too anyway... 1. No follow through/hidden agenda On June 14 2011 11:53 hiro protagonist wrote: anyone up for a little night time scum hunting... He never in any sense followed through with this idea. So, what could possibly be the agenda here? It appears that hiro protagonist desires night time discussion of lynch targets, correct? Wrong, look at this post of his later: On June 16 2011 14:11 hiro protagonist wrote: ... @OpZ: I agree that some of those players look scummy. I am curtain that Mafia has all ready posted in fact. but after going though the thread, I dont see that many scum tells. There is just not enough for me to go on right now. Lets keep up the pressure on those three. [edit: he means ILJ/sinani/aidnai trio] FoS on Sandroba: Maybe I am reading this wrong, but Sandroba is know for Sticking his neck out with plans like the one he said. He is also really good at wiggling out of suspicion. It would make sense for scum to bate out talk on night one that would give them info on players, so they can better aim there hits. His plan did just that. So Sandroba, may I ask why you would say this on night zero? Would it not be better to wait till day 1 to bring this up? are you still interested in applying you plan? depending on his answers, I might vote for Sandroba. Otherwise, I think lynching one of the lurkers might be a good idea. He never followed through with pressuring anybody, including sandroba. He instead went with a 'safe' vote on GG, until he had to save himself. Furthermore, he FoSes Sandroba for "bating out" discussion on night 0? That completely contradicts his first post... So what did he hope to accomplish himself with that first post? Simple, he wanted to post like a townie. 2. Afraid There is a decided lack of 'risky' posting from hiro. He votes for a total lurker, he shoots down an obviously horrible plan; but everything else he does he is reluctant about. Look at the posts that hiro is comfortable making: + Show Spoiler [safe posts] + On June 14 2011 13:05 hiro protagonist wrote: Shoots down a plan that is already dead.Yeah, lets not put all our eggs in one basket. Lets not do any plans like this. I am sure anyone with a brain can see why this is a god awful plan. On June 14 2011 13:10 hiro protagonist wrote: This is so vague and 'safe' it's hard to say whether or not he failed to follow through...EBWOP: I know its night time, and thats when we talk about blue roles, but lets not focus all of our energy into "what should blues do, and mansion me plz!!!" come day, lets focus on getting to know one another. On June 14 2011 13:22 hiro protagonist wrote: Beating a dead horse...hell, even if you are town, Mafia is simply gonna spam you with PMs claiming there DTs and messing with you. There are so many ways this could go wrong... Its night fucking Zero! Do not claim. No plans. That is all. It is obvious at this point that hiro is comfortable with shooting down sandroba's plan. That's an issue where it is clear what a townie should think, therefore those are easy posts for him to make. How about when asked for his opinion of aidnai/ILJ/sinani, who were the current vote leaders? On June 16 2011 14:11 hiro protagonist wrote: @OpZ: I agree that some of those players look scummy. I am curtain that Mafia has all ready posted in fact. but after going though the thread, I dont see that many scum tells. There is just not enough for me to go on right now. Lets keep up the pressure on those three. FoS on Sandroba: Maybe I am reading this wrong, but Sandroba is know for Sticking his neck out with plans like the one he said. He is also really good at wiggling out of suspicion. It would make sense for scum to bate out talk on night one that would give them info on players, so they can better aim there hits. His plan did just that. So Sandroba, may I ask why you would say this on night zero? Would it not be better to wait till day 1 to bring this up? are you still interested in applying you plan? He is completely unable to give an opinion on us, and instead goes back to discussing Sandroba! Best explanation? He was unable to accuse us townies because he knew it was BS, thus he was scared. One more point to prove his fear: In his defense against sandroba, hiro says two things: 1) your accusations are not worth responding to 2) here is a response to each of your accusations This doesn't make sense: if he is a townie and honestly did not think the accusations had "maret", why respond? I think he is a scum that got spooked. 3) Scumslips This post has already been brought up, but I have to include it for completeness + Show Spoiler [scumslip] + On June 17 2011 06:28 hiro protagonist wrote: yeah, thing is Mig, BC is calling out those lurkers to post. It worked too. So step it up guys if you want to play. As for the lynch targets, sinani, and ILJ still look suspicious to me. ILJ more so, because his slip into lurker mode. I want to see him scum hunt, cus right now the only contribution I see from him is defending himself. However, I wont vote for him because he is under the gun, We have ample opportunity to see if he slips up, or scum tells. One person that is really flying under the radar is Impervious. So far all his post have had little substance, and smell sightly of scum. As for the lurkers, One stands out and thats grassgiraffe. The others have yet to post much but grass last post SCREAMS out "I made my vote, and I'm out". I know, because that sounds exactly like some of the lurkers in SNMMII. They would simply come in once or twice during the day and say,"yep, I agree with so and so, vote: name here". I am 90% sure he is town, and 100% sure we dont need him. come prove me wrong grass. ##Vote: grassgiraffe and his other scumslip (imo) On June 16 2011 14:11 hiro protagonist wrote: Ok, I should have said hat I was gonna be gone most of the day due to the Stanly Cup finals. My bad. Would have been home sooner+ Show Spoiler + but I had to avoid the fucking riots -__- God dammit Vancouver @OpZ: I agree that some of those players look scummy. I am curtain that Mafia has all ready posted in fact. but after going though the thread, I dont see that many scum tells. There is just not enough for me to go on right now. Lets keep up the pressure on those three. FoS on Sandroba: Maybe I am reading this wrong, but Sandroba is know for Sticking his neck out with plans like the one he said. He is also really good at wiggling out of suspicion. It would make sense for scum to bate out talk on night one that would give them info on players, so they can better aim there hits. His plan did just that. So Sandroba, may I ask why you would say this on night zero? Would it not be better to wait till day 1 to bring this up? are you still interested in applying you plan? depending on his answers, I might vote for Sandroba. Otherwise, I think lynching one of the lurkers might be a good idea. I've gone over this post a bit already, but there's more in here: in this post, hiro a) apologizes for activity, when he was doing better than half the town b) fails to give an opinion on aidnai/ILJ/sinani, despite not being directly asked (OpZ asked everyone) (why did he bring it up at all, right? scum WANT to contribute, they WANT to blend in, but it's so fucking hard for them!) c) "let's keep up pressure" -> do nothing about it d) goes back to easy mode discussion on sandroba e) "not enough to go on" "i think" "might be" general wishy-washiness 4) Similar scum play in SNMM II Check out these posts from hiro as scum in surprisingly nomal mini mafia II. On May 17 2011 02:58 hiro protagonist wrote: Its true that lurking round is a good place for scum to hide, as there is little evidence to indict them. how ever all but 3 of us have posted and I doubt that ALL of the inactives will be scum... best bet is a scum has already posted, so we should try to sniff em out! If we don't have a good lead by tomorrow, then we should ask the lurkers to step up and explain themselves... Does this sound familiar? a) sure scum has posted b) we should find them! with no follow through of course + Show Spoiler + On May 17 2011 12:23 hiro protagonist wrote: Ok, here are my thoughts so far, the first two people I gonna talk about are the ones i have the most read on/talked the most o far: VisceraEyes: He was the most active in the first few pages, with most of his post wanting simply for all active players to say hi. Also mentioning not to take suspicions of one another as a bad thing. I can agree with this line of logic, as it will foster a more friendly town, and get in on the scum hunting. His FoS of Mataza looks more like a call for discussion then an actual accusation. my worry is that he is almost TOO town, and is a likely prime hit for Mafia, unless of course he IS Mafia. Mataza: considered the most suspicious as of right now, and with good reasoning. His first post was one of feinting a cop role. and Has been very Defensive initially when VisceraEye ask a question. Then he points the finger right back at VisceraEyes. after that he claims that he "just wanted to see how you would react". However he made a good post about how he wants to talk about what everyone else thinks, and his post are in the vein of scumhunting (when his not busy defending himself). not sure what to think of him tbh. Next up GiygaS, nord, Palmar,: These 3 have the most posts with the least amount of Analysis. most likely town wanting to hang low or wait and see before going into to much discussion. GiygaS has done the most in getting discussion going, expesialy around what VisceraEye and Mataza have been saying. not alot to go on. prplhz: quite at first but then a solid post with good analysis. Deepblue, Steff, Karshe: still need to here more from them. deepblue has gotten in pretty late with just a one liner. gonna watch to see if he is gonna just slide under the modkill, as there are still some inactives, and is laying low(as in acting scummy) thats it for now. TLDR: a whole bunch of analysis where he doesn't find anyone that scummy. + Show Spoiler + On May 18 2011 09:05 hiro protagonist wrote: Ok, LOTS to go on here, gonna give my take on things: The General feeling for the first day started like this: the town began giving intro post that most had no content. the exception to this is of course Mataza, who kinda claimed Cop, and then retracted it.( I still do not like is explanation). the first three people to really get the ball rolling where ViscaraEyes, GiygaS, and Mataza. Of the three, I liked VisEyes approach the most, and Mataza's the least. but these 3 started talking, there still talking, and its leading somewhere. the way I feel about it is the longer they talk, the long one will slip up, and for me that does not make them A high priority lynch. Is one of them Mafia? man it sure looks like it. the next list of people include me: Hiro, Karshe, Palmar, Prplhz, and nard. Of this group, Prplhz and Karshe have had the most helpful post in my eyes. Palmar and nard mostly made some general post about the situation. Im leaving me out because thats a job for someone else. Where does this leave me? I starting to look at inactives to vote for. but which one? The only one I feel right now that would be an ok vote would be Skrammen, and heres why. the only post by Skrammen is one of agreeing with Mataza, apparently for no reason, ether he is a terrible Maffia, or a terrible townie. Mataza, I want to believe your town, but the way you go about playing just rubs me a bit. I LOVE that you are taking swings at people, but as soon as some one wants to have a disscusion, you ether turn your finger on them, or call them a Bandwaggoner. I also dont like that almost every defense you say "I just wanted to see how you would react." that might be true, but it leaves me with no read on you... what would we get if we voted Skrammen? if he flips town, we got a good reason to trust Mataza. If he flips scum, well, Mataza has some explaining to do... will decide in a bit, to give more inactives time to post He's given a list of three possible scum. He says there is probably scum in there somewhere, BUT that the lynch should go elsewhere. Guess where? + Show Spoiler + On May 18 2011 09:48 hiro protagonist wrote: gonna stay with my line of logic, and vote skrammen. I cant believe more people are not on him given his VERY little content, and insta bandwagon vote. Best case scenario: town votes GiygaS, and he flips scum. We got reason to trust one another and the hunt is in full swing. worst case: GiygaS flips green, and we have lots of suspicions. Very good chance of Mafia breaking up trust and getting us to turn on one another. good no mater what: voting Skrammen. we get ride of a terrible player, and we get a possible read on Mataza. I chose this one. Eather way, Im happy with day one. ##Vote: Skrammen He votes for a lurker, a "terrible player" a burden to town blah blah blah. This should sound pretty familiar to us now... In Summary: hiro is trying to play safe, hide his true intentions, and avoid suspicion, but he slipped hard. He is scum. | ||
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On June 17 2011 18:59 FudgeMunkey wrote: Oh sorry KP may mean KenPachi, I didn't read the posts before... but for those of you who are unsure then i may have cleared something up about Kill Power. Oh yeah, fudgemunkey, you're scum too. | ||
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On June 17 2011 01:26 DeMorcerf wrote: ... @mataza, I see that you posted while I am writing this; aidnai already said the exact same thing about me. I am very new, and in my night post I asked a couple questions and rhetorical questions; (I'll try to avoid the '?' key in the future; my earlier day post had none.) Dude :D I was pretty amused by mataza saying the same thing as me too. So... you're obviously around and reading the thread right? Tell me who is scum. | ||
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sandroba is silly, but we knew that already. Visceyes is silly too I guess. | ||
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aidnai
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+ Show Spoiler + On June 16 2011 14:47 Mig wrote: Thoughts aidnai - aidnai posted in n0 that medics should ignore what BC said and protect the people on the zodiac list. Mafia then proceeded to blue snipe with 2 of their shots and shoot kita, someone unlikely to get medic protection on the Z list. Obviously this isn't even close to hard evidence but people should remember that aidnai pushed for a plan that was what the mafia either wanted or took advantage of n0. Besides that though I don't really have any problem with his posts, and he is active enough that I think he would be a bad day 1 lynch. ilj - I am suspicious of. I played with him last game where he was scum. He seems a lot more outspoken right now in defending himself than he did then. But he said repeatedly at the end of the game how bad he played etc. I am sure he planned on changing his meta for the next time he was scum. So I find it very suspicious when he tells youngminii don't try to meta me because I may just be trying to play differently. If he is trying to play differently it is much much more likely that he would be trying to adjust his scum play and not his town play. Still though he has been decently active and outspoken in defending himself so he is not my preferred lynch for day1. sinani - my preferred day 1 lynch. I played with sinani when he was scum in XXXIX. One of the main things sinani did that game was try to look like he was contributing without actually helping at all. He posted a list on inactives without commenting on it and he posted an extremely half-assed and nonsensical analysis of his thoughts on all the current players. He is doing the exact same thing here. He has posted several times criticizing other people's thoughts and telling various people to step up and start scum hunting without actually doing a single thing to contribute himself. His play to me seems consistent with his scum play in XXXIX So I am voting sinani. Brief thoughts on a couple other players Sandroba - bad plan day 1 but I am not suspicious of him. It is more likely for townies to introduce large/risky plans at the start of the game than it is for mafia since it draws a lot of attention and scrutiny to the player. Also just feels to me like he had town's best interests in mind but didn't completely think through the possible risks. node/impervious/ggq - I know all 3 of these players can contribute actively and be very pro town. The game is still early but people should keep their eyes on them if they don't become more active. Not even sure about that, because I would not have been checking sandroba if I was DT...maybe another pair of eyes would be good. Random stuff: On June 15 2011 03:17 syllogism wrote: The only plan the town needs is everyone contributing, relentless analysis and focus on the most suspicious players. As noted, this is a standard game, the mason mechanic aside, so there's no way to break the game. Would love to see you follow your own advice a bit more dude. Jacinto/GG get awards for most hardcore lurking--won't be shocked if they get modkilled sooner or later. Fudgemunkey has not weighed in on a single relevant issue. look at his posts: they are all in regards to either game mechanics or RoL's hare-brained ideas. ILJ/sinani/aidnai debate? nope. hiro? nope. nothing about night kills, night actions, no interaction AT ALL. yet, he's around to answer questions nobody asked or defend himself. This dude is very suspicious, to say the least. I want to hear from Mataza and demorcerf what they think of hiro/fudgemunkey or any other scum target they have. | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
RoL did indeed make me kill my internet connection. I also had a mini vacation. But I'm back now, and caught up. LYNCHING ROL IS DUMB. I'm masoned with him, you can take my townie credit for what it's worth on this one. We don't lynch to punish bad behaviour. (Vigis should do that). We lynch to kill scum. The reason this is so important is that if we policy lynch RoL, we aren't forcing anyone town or scum to do analysis, defense, etc. People like to say we don't lynch for information--I think it's more accurate to say we certainly do lynch for information--you just don't get any information UNLESS you are lynching to kill scum. I'm going to drop my case against Hiro for the moment. I have a number of reasons for this, the biggest among them being the assessment that he actually believes and stands by what he posts. Even though his scumslip is, frankly, ridiculously bad coming from a townie, he seems to actually believe that it was justifiable, which means he is not hiding. I'm going to agree with RoL (and scamp!) that syllogism should be our scum target today. Scamp makes his suspicion known via this post On June 17 2011 07:47 Scamp wrote: coupled with his vote on Syllogism.I need to go and I won't be back before the deadline. As stated earlier, I don't think either ILJ or GG are scum so I won't be voting for them. However, I do like aidnai's case against him as outlined a few posts before this one. Also my read on GG is null but I'm suspicious of a few people that are voting for him. You can treat my vote as an abstain vote but it's going on someone who I will be looking at more closely on the next day. Reading syllogisms posts, what I see is that he flings suspicion on multiple people without ever pushing for a lynch or following through. Coupled with the fact that the lynch he DID push (ILJ's) he was wishywashy on, I'm pretty convinced we found our first scum here. | ||
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