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[QUOTE]On June 18 2011 09:14 LandenC wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 18 2011 08:52 Mig wrote:
vigs
landen/giraffe are fine.QUOTE]
Again, why am I here? Me and you Mig have the same amount of posts. So this from sandroba's list:
[QUOTE]On June 18 2011 05:21 sandroba wrote:
Both extremelly inactive and based on voting thread alone Giraffe has a high chance of being mafia.
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Is just not true. Also curious about what you meant sandroba about giraffe being a high chance of being mafia because of the voting thread. Is that because of the vote on sinani206?
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I believe he meant how there were a lot of votes on Giraffe that got moved to others closer to the deadline.
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@ hiro
First, Mig clearly DID read what you wrote...but his point stands. Even if you ARE town, a DT would be HARD PRESSED to clear you without outing himself...your posts are just too scummy to make a decent case for your innocence without claiming.
Also, what do you mean you're an easy target? Why would Mafia waste KP on someone who appears to be the subject of tomorrow's lynch barring some sort of biblical-level scum-slip...not the kind you made, but something truly EPIC.
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On June 18 2011 10:07 hiro protagonist wrote:
EBWOP:
Vis, I meant an easy lynch target, not mafia hit
Ah, I see.
Yes, you are that...but not just for Mafia.
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So out of curiosity, WHY did you say you're a good DT check if you you DON'T need help defending yourself? That's just a wasted DT check if you're capable of such an act.
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So you're proposing Sandroba's OG plan AGAIN?!
JESUS EFFING CHRIST
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No one's luck is that good. These people claimed in PMs, I almost guarantee it.
Does anyone know who these guys were linked with mason-wise?
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Do you have any reason to believe this other than you want RoL dead?
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My name is VisceraEyes, and I support a lynch of hiro protagonist.
Reasons to follow (when I'm near a computer -.-)
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RoL, I agree with YM. Your uselessness is reckless at this point, and it's obvious that it's intentional. Are you waiting for a certain percentage of the town to call you to action or something? Anyone I've asked has said you're at the very least okay at this game, I'm just not seeing it in THIS game.
I honestly hope I'm not the only person to do this. He either doesn't want to play, is scum, or is waiting for the proper amount of pressure. The answer to all three options is a vote.
##Vote: RebirthOfLeGenD
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On June 19 2011 03:01 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I feel like I should inform all of you that I may have killed Aidnai. We were playing BW and I was trying to show him how to port forward and told him to reset his router, I didn't realize he wasn't hardwired and he walked away before I could give him the rest of the directions to fix it. So I dunno when he's going to figure this out. I sent him a PM with the directions on how to reconfigure his network and port forward, but he hasn't responded yet so I can only assume that he hasn't fixed his internet yet.
OMG dude...useless information is useless. It would've meant something if someone had noticed that he was gone for a while, but as it stands this post is absolutely meaningless, especially considering half the town is voting you so you'll contribute.
The longer that goes by that RoL does NOT contribute, the more sure I am that I have NO need to change my vote once he DOES post some kind of contribution.
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Well, like with the rest of your posts, this one refers to contributions you'll make either A) when you feel like it or B) when you catch up on the thread.
In the meantime, you still have like 4 or 5 votes on you, and I for one like where my vote is at for now.
I'd like for some veterans to weigh in on RebirthOfLethargy's inactivity.
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ebwodp:
RoL actually has SIX votes on him. That's a fair amount of pressure, as the last lynch was decided between 7 votes on ILJ and 6 on hiro. But as his play is legendary, we should assume his tolerance to pressure is legendary as well.
Just sayin
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@RoL
That suits me. I was never after you doing all the work, you've presented a decent case against Syllo and now I'm satisfied that you've contributed. I've unvoted you.
@Rest of Town
The only reason I was so vocally trying to get RoL to contribute is because A) he's on the damn list and that's what we're SUPPOSED to do, and B) because honestly, his behavior d1 DID appear scummy to me. It STILL looks scummy to me. But he's ABSOLUTELY right about the thread. If he were mafia, someone would be in here defending him.
As for my case against Hiro, it's coming. But I'm LITERALLY laying in bed next to my wife, and I don't have the cognitive capacity currently to coherently explain my points. I'll look at the facts early tomorrow. But as a teaser, chew on this. Hiro had literally NO input on the Zodiac List n0. Practically didn't even acknowledge it. This is in SPITE of several vets speaking up in support of it.
And someone on the list got pwnd n0. My guess? Scum were instructed to talk about anything BUT the list unless they knew what it was and how to sound intelligent about it.
Anyway, I'm done tonight...I WILL get a case together tomorrow.
Thanks for contributing RoL. I'm certainly going to go look at Syllogism's post more thoroughly.
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hiro protagonist
Night Zero
+ Show Spoiler +On June 14 2011 11:53 hiro protagonist wrote:
anyone up for a little night time scum hunting... This is hiro's first in-game post. It speaks of an eagerness to start scum-hunting which sounds good on paper, aside from the complete lack of information to actually DO any scum-hunting. On June 14 2011 12:31 hiro protagonist wrote:
@chaos: thats a lot of WIFOM in your questions.
I think Varpulis has the right idea. ilovejonn has a good point to. Here is my opinion:
1. DTs: your discretion.
2. Medics: protect those that you think are strong players, Vets.
3. Vigs: dont put on you batman suit tonight.
As for PMs, Im gonna save mine till daylight. I dont want to lose someone right of the bat. It goes without saying to save one PM for later in the game. The power of the PM choice gets stronger the longer the game goes on. This is his next actual content post. Please note that there's no actual content in this post at all - simply restating what others have already said in his own words. Also note the fact that he notices chaos13's post about blue activity. chaos13 died at the end of n0. On June 14 2011 13:05 hiro protagonist wrote:
Yeah, lets not put all our eggs in one basket. Lets not do any plans like this. I am sure anyone with a brain can see why this is a god awful plan. On June 14 2011 13:10 hiro protagonist wrote:
EBWOP: I know its night time, and thats when we talk about blue roles, but lets not focus all of our energy into "what should blues do, and mansion me plz!!!" come day, lets focus on getting to know one another. On June 14 2011 13:22 hiro protagonist wrote:
hell, even if you are town, Mafia is simply gonna spam you with PMs claiming there DTs and messing with you. There are so many ways this could go wrong...
Its night fucking Zero! Do not claim. No plans. That is all. On June 14 2011 16:36 hiro protagonist wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 16:28 aidnai wrote:Wow, this started quicker than I expected. That's fine with me though  Just to catch up with everything, Sandroba's plan has already been sufficiently debunked. If RoL is actually masoning with tons of people... good for him I guess? but as was pointed out with sandroba's plan, if RoL dies, all those people lose their mason connection, so... yeah, regardless, I'm not masoning with anyone AT LEAST until day, and even then, I'll probably save one of them for a few days when I have better reads on everyone. I'm really relieved to have a PM game again, haven't been too many recently. <-----------Zodiac List is introduced RoL's masoning has nothing to do with Sandroba's plan... he just wants people to mason him. This is the end of his contributions n0. Interesting to note: he never once takes a firm stance on anyone. He claims to WANT to vote Sandroba, says he'll PROBABLY vote for a lurker...and ends up voting for ILJ, a bandwagon based NOT on inactivity, but on suspicion (apparently). Also interesting to note, he has literally NO input on the Zodiac List that several veteran players spoke up in favor of. Doesn't even mention it. Instead, he speaks EXCLUSIVELY about the list.
Day 1
+ Show Spoiler +On June 16 2011 14:11 hiro protagonist wrote:Ok, I should have said hat I was gonna be gone most of the day due to the Stanly Cup finals. My bad. Would have been home sooner + Show Spoiler +but I had to avoid the fucking riots -__- God dammit Vancouver @OpZ: I agree that some of those players look scummy. I am curtain that Mafia has all ready posted in fact. but after going though the thread, I dont see that many scum tells. There is just not enough for me to go on right now. Lets keep up the pressure on those three. FoS on Sandroba: Maybe I am reading this wrong, but Sandroba is know for Sticking his neck out with plans like the one he said. He is also really good at wiggling out of suspicion. It would make sense for scum to bate out talk on night one that would give them info on players, so they can better aim there hits. His plan did just that. So Sandroba, may I ask why you would say this on night zero? Would it not be better to wait till day 1 to bring this up? are you still interested in applying you plan? depending on his answers, I might vote for Sandroba. Otherwise, I think lynching one of the lurkers might be a good idea. On June 17 2011 06:28 hiro protagonist wrote:
yeah, thing is Mig, BC is calling out those lurkers to post. It worked too. So step it up guys if you want to play.
As for the lynch targets, sinani, and ILJ still look suspicious to me. ILJ more so, because his slip into lurker mode. I want to see him scum hunt, cus right now the only contribution I see from him is defending himself. However, I wont vote for him because he is under the gun, We have ample opportunity to see if he slips up, or scum tells.
One person that is really flying under the radar is Impervious. So far all his post have had little substance, and smell sightly of scum.
As for the lurkers, One stands out and thats grassgiraffe. The others have yet to post much but grass last post SCREAMS out "I made my vote, and I'm out". I know, because that sounds exactly like some of the lurkers in SNMMII. They would simply come in once or twice during the day and say,"yep, I agree with so and so, vote: name here". I am 90% sure he is town, and 100% sure we dont need him. come prove me wrong grass.
##Vote: grassgiraffe What I find the most interesting about this post is NOT the 'scum-slip' that most everyone else noticed. It was the safe-vote on grassgiraffe. He's been pushing Sandroba as scummy up to now, but not only hasn't presented any kind of case against him, but doesn't even vote for him. On June 17 2011 06:35 hiro protagonist wrote:
@Wiggles:
For the reasons I stated. If Grass comes in and says something, hell anything, that would be of an contribution, I will take my vote off him. I will urge others to do the same. If I had to vote for someone else, I would vote ILJ or Impervious. What? What about Sandroba? You've been pushing him as the most scummy so far, and you appear to just dismiss that line of thought entirely. So you don't find him scummy? You do, but find others MORE scummy? You don't think a lynch on him will be successful? Take a stance on something sir. On June 17 2011 06:39 hiro protagonist wrote:
@OpZ:
Yes, ILJ is indeed on radar. If he gets lynched tonight, I am fine with that. If he lives today, then I want ether him or impervious to stand trial on day2. On June 17 2011 06:46 hiro protagonist wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 06:37 ~OpZ~ wrote:On June 17 2011 06:35 hiro protagonist wrote:
@Wiggles:
For the reasons I stated. If Grass comes in and says something, hell anything, that would be of an contribution, I will take my vote off him. I will urge others to do the same. If I had to vote for someone else, I would vote ILJ or Impervious. Change your vote now, as opposed to later, when inactives come rolling in to bandwagon the person with the most votes to "feel" cool. No, I rather the inactives not be here later on in the game. makes scum hunting so much easier. That's fine and well of course, if you intend to do any scum-hunting. So far, you've shown that no, you'd rather bandwagon to victory. On June 17 2011 07:27 hiro protagonist wrote:
you guys make a good case for ILJ.
@OpZ: I will not switch from one random lurker to another. I voted on grass for reasons I stated. also, for those that voted on some one and the only reason you voted for them is "yeah, I agree with XXX...", thats shotty play. you NEED to give your own reasons for voting for some one. not just other peoples reasons. As far as I am concerned, Grass IS the only lurker now (with ILJ being kinda lurky)
If Grass shows up, then I will switch to ILJ. What I want is ILJ to show up as well. Also, just food for thought, but If someone states that they are not gonna be round much, It makes them an easy target for Mafia to mislynch... What I find interesting about this post is that he calls agreeing with people as reason for their votes "shoddy play". Why is this interesting? Have a look back at his posts. He has almost NO opinions of his own on anyone...and every 'advice' post he makes is basically restating something that 2 or 3 people have already said. On June 17 2011 07:39 hiro protagonist wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 07:29 sandroba wrote:Okay people I ask you to turn your attention to this post:On June 17 2011 06:28 hiro protagonist wrote:
yeah, thing is Mig, BC is calling out those lurkers to post. It worked too. So step it up guys if you want to play.
As for the lynch targets, sinani, and ILJ still look suspicious to me. ILJ more so, because his slip into lurker mode. I want to see him scum hunt, cus right now the only contribution I see from him is defending himself. However, I wont vote for him because he is under the gun, We have ample opportunity to see if he slips up, or scum tells.
One person that is really flying under the radar is Impervious. So far all his post have had little substance, and smell sightly of scum.
As for the lurkers, One stands out and thats grassgiraffe. The others have yet to post much but grass last post SCREAMS out "I made my vote, and I'm out". I know, because that sounds exactly like some of the lurkers in SNMMII. They would simply come in once or twice during the day and say,"yep, I agree with so and so, vote: name here". I am 90% sure he is town, and 100% sure we dont need him. come prove me wrong grass.
##Vote: grassgiraffe Serious scum slip right here. First of all, your reasoning for not voting jonn, which you are suspicious of, is totally bullshit. Second, how the fuck can you be 90% sure giraffe is town from the grand total of 1 post (which is a terrible post) he has made so far? Seems to me you have more information than I do. Even then, you are 90% sure he's town, you are suspicious of jonn and you quickly jump on giraffe bandwagon??? Hello contradiction! Vote for this mafia right now, day1 doesn't get any better than this. LOL, most of your accusations have no maret. but I will answer the few that you bring up: First of all, explain how my not voting for ILJ is total bullshit? I am 90% sure that Grass is town because he is acting like a board townie would. Any real scum would have chosen his words more carefully. You would agree, no? Lastly, no I didn't bandwagon anybody. I made a damn good post why I was voting Grass, and in that time three other people said they where voting for grass with much less reasons then I had. nice try Sandroba, got anything else for me? So begins the defense of hiro protagonist. What I didn't like about this post was that he defends his vote with "I made a post about it, and others voted with less reason, so  " People don't vote off lurkers knowing for 90% sure that they're town. People vote off lurkers because there's a VERY real possibilty of them being lurking scum. If they're not, yeah, they're not contributing anyway so it's not a HUGE loss, but the vote is made because they COULD be scum. Hiro votes GG knowing for ALMOST CERTAIN that GG is town. That's a scummy vote. Period. On June 18 2011 05:20 hiro protagonist wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 05:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On June 18 2011 04:45 hiro protagonist wrote:
No, Wiggles, It would have only took one person to switch there vote from ILJ to insure my death. I did not want to be the victim of a last minute vote switch. Hell, youngminii all ready said that he wanted to change his vote me... In that case it would have been tied, 6-6, and GG would have been lynched. There wasn't a good reason to change your vote, except to ensure your own survival, which wasn't even in that much danger. So, it has to be put down to nervousness. But then, why are you so nervous? Why was your vote on GG in the first place, and why did you switch to ILJ? Did you think ILJ was scummy? Then why didn't you vote him initially? If you were town, you would want to lynch scum, not another town so that you can live, so why the switch? What made you want to make sure that ILJ died as compared to yourself, or GG? -_____________________- I cant believe i did not realize that. FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU Well, my vote switch didn't actually change the out come of the lynch, It only made me look scummy lol. so that sucks. Let me be clear, I wanted GG to die, not ILJ. I still want GG to die... I got to learn not to say every little thing in my head, because apparently when you say more than one thing at a time people see it as a scum slip -__- This has got to be the weakest defense of a vote I've ever seen. "Oh man, I didn't notice. Not even when I typed it." Speaking of typing it: I couldn't find where he said in-thread that he was switching his vote. I looked briefly, and obviously I've been going through his posts...if it's in there, I don't see it. Just in the voting thread. I find that VERY scummy. It feels like hiding his vote.
In conclusion, I feel like hiro protagonist is the best lynch candidate for today, based on his indecisive voting, scummy behavior and over-defensiveness.
##Unvote
Vote: hiro protagonist
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I think shooting me is a terrible idea. I gave analysis on hiro that supported my vote and I've given my thoughts on all relevant lynch subjects so far. What in the holy PISS makes you think I'm scum?
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Rebirth, honestly, I ISO'd hiro's posts and did that analysis before I read anyone else's cases...and I'm pretty sure that I'm one of the VERY first people to find hiro scummy.
What's interesting is that you're encouraging checking/killing exclusively people on the RIGHT side of the effing lynch. Regardless of who's scummy among those votes, that fact alone is pretty scummy of you. What I find the most amazing is that it doesn't seem to be dispopular in the thread. If I wake up dead in the morning, I'm going to be VERY upset......
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Now the blues do what they do, we sit and stew about who gets doo doo'd and boo hoo unless we're saved by you know who.
No really, we either continue to scum-hunt, or do the thread average: wait until morning and start throwing FoS around randomly and lynch townies. Not to mention waste medics on people who aren't targets and suggest vigging/hatting townies.
I prefer to scum-hunt, personally. Considering the luck, I'm going to just assume one of the few cops left is going to die and we WON'T get lucky with a productive investigation. All we have is the posts of the confirmed townies, the lurking/PMing vets barking orders that don't make sense and our scum-senses available to us.
I for one am going back to look at the posts of the recently departed with the trusting eye that only a green-flip provides. Good luck everyone.
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And if he's lying, he survives another night, we lose another day lynching him and Mafia KP does NOT suffer because we've spent 5 cycles dicking around.
BC, tell me how confident you are in his claim. I understand wanting to be cautious about it, but we're talking about a lot of wasted time.
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BC God damnit.
After losing 10 townies so far, you thought that maybe a 1 for 1 trade against a POSSIBLE mafia was a good idea? [/rant]
Okay, well all we can do at this point is lynch Node assuming he's not mod-killed, right? I mean, you think he's scum...I haven't detected the FAINTEST hint of scum in any of his posts, aside from lack of them, but I'm a noob. So yeah? Lynch Node, DT check hiro, start scumhunting at dawn?
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Ugh...this is a mess. Clearly I wasn't ready for this. How do you vets do it? I mean, I know at least half of you just lynch people at random and pick up the pieces halfway through, but some of you vets are REALLY good.
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