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On June 17 2011 05:34 LandenC wrote:
BC your right I am new. So I did wait until I could see where the day was going before jumping in and probably making a terrible post. Read your post over a couple times and I see your point. Still time for me to change my vote to someone else.
Discussion seems to have picked up recently so thats good.
I suggest either giraffe or lazobear as you seem to be active now. both of them have 1 post I believe?
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On June 17 2011 05:44 sandroba wrote:
@BC Well you could say that the sinani and aidnai bandwagon were created in response for jonn's bandwagon. Seeing that he crawled back into lurking I think he's a very valid candidate aswel. I've reread demorcef's posts and retract my statement that lynching him today is a good option.
ilovejonn/LandenC/grassgiraffe are all good options imo.
Possibly they did because of his bandwagon but he has still been posting. Landen has just started posting and grass has made 1 post and 1 vote. Day 1 with the little discussion overall we have had and the options, I would rather remove someone who isn't contributing positively but avoiding the modkill and being replaced by a player who would actually play.
If ILJ continues lurking into day 2 I would say he would make a wonderful lynch then, just as if landen goes into hardcore lurking in day 2 he would make one as well. But as of now they have proven far more town aligned than others.
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On June 17 2011 05:50 Mig wrote:
Kenpachi posts exactly like this every single game. And does it make any sense for kenpachi as mafia to call out BC, one of the most vocal people, as GF when he could just as easily lurk along without making any waves? Targeting kenpachi right now is terrible.
BC I really dislike posting a list of 3 inactves. Since there is 0 evidence to defend any of them providing 3 choices will just make it easier for mafia to influence the lynch and guarantee a town is hit. Would prefer if you just strongly push for 1 target that you feel is best.
I don't really get the defense of sinani. Last game he played as mafia he showed that he likes to fake contribute exactly as he is doing now. He actually made one decent analysis that game and it was when he tried to bus his own team mate, so I know he is capable of writing decent posts if he puts the effort in. Everything he has posted has been without any real thought or effort to provide content for the town. I mean he hasn't defended himself at all or done any actual scum hunting whatsoever and he is clearly lurking because he insta responds when directly questioned. The only thing that somewhat worries me is the fact a bunch of people have jumped on voting for him without providing any real reasoning. Despite that I still think he is the best lynch.
Sinani looks like a total tunnel to me. As for killing 1 of 3 inactives it is far better day 1. They have no evidence revealing if they are town or mafia. They are being unhelpful and not contributing, and by removing them now, it forces players to play. The longer you let people lurk and be inactive the easier it is for mafia to hide. Do I like the prospect of one of them flipping town? No. Do I like the idea of us killing an active player on really tenuous and tunnel like analysis? no. If sinani, or aidnai or Ilovejohn is red they are active enough to display that, whereas someone whos not posting anything aside from sheep voting is not being active enough to give us an idea without a dt check or killing them.
It is far less damaging to us to remove an inactive who might flip town who also might as red than it is to kill someone who was tunneled if they flip town.
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On June 17 2011 06:02 Mig wrote:
I am fine with killing an inactive. I am saying don't list 3 candidates because mafia will just influence the lynch and guarantee their guy isn't hit. It is much better for the town if you just strongly push for 1 of the inactives instead of discussing all 3 of them.
Of the 3 one is now posting, 1 was brought to my attention is on the potential modkill list so that only leaves giraffe.
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sandroba's list for the purpose of making discussion it was a good move as the list wasn't just made to make a list. People who responded to it properly kudo's. The vig targets go along with what I had been advocating with the lynch so no problem with that.
The medic list seems fine for his justification. I don't like that he included as many names as he did on the don't protect list purely as it gives mafia too much free range to shoot into if they so desired. Dt checks are fine.
As to the current situation. Dt's should not be checking Hiro at this point in time. I say this as someone who has just caught up he is practically begging to be checked so he can be cleared. With someone with this much heat on them they know whatever they flip to on a dt check will be "clear" ie he could be scum or town. The mechanic lets mafia choose their gf at any point in time. With the way he is asking for a dt, then mason speaks to me that the mafia are potentially seeing what the chances are for getting town on board with his idea and if it works trading himself for dts and potentially more blues.
Based on that behaviour dts should leave him alone, and vigi's / hatters can decide if they want to take a shot at him.
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On June 18 2011 10:45 hiro protagonist wrote:
@BC Im cool with that i guess...
btw, why come out and say that 20 min before the day post? Most people have most likely sent in there actions no? are you allowed to change it after you send it in?
been busy most of the day. The bit of time I was at my machine before this there had been all of like 7 posts from the last round i had seen, nothing that really warranted me responding to.
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On June 18 2011 16:48 syllogism wrote:
I'm frankly getting sick of most of the veterans barely playing the game. This was specifically a game which gave preference to players who would be active. I'm willing to lynch RoL, BloodyC0bbler, Node, Scamp, GGQ, though obviously RoL is the most worthless one thus far. BloodyC0bbler hey you made the zodiac list for the specific purpose of forcing people to be active and we've yet to see any analysis from you and it's day 2.
It's 5:30 in the morning and your bitching I haven't made analysis? I have been more active than you this entire game so don't go there. As for analysis I shall do it when I get home from work if I have the time. Analysis on people takes a huge amount of time which I may not have until tommorrow.
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On June 18 2011 18:34 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 18:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 18 2011 16:48 syllogism wrote:
I'm frankly getting sick of most of the veterans barely playing the game. This was specifically a game which gave preference to players who would be active. I'm willing to lynch RoL, BloodyC0bbler, Node, Scamp, GGQ, though obviously RoL is the most worthless one thus far. BloodyC0bbler hey you made the zodiac list for the specific purpose of forcing people to be active and we've yet to see any analysis from you and it's day 2. It's 5:30 in the morning and your bitching I haven't made analysis? I have been more active than you this entire game so don't go there. As for analysis I shall do it when I get home from work if I have the time. Analysis on people takes a huge amount of time which I may not have until tommorrow. Oh I'm perfectly conscious of my hypocrisy, and I didn't mean today, but overall you haven't done any analysis of your own either and just wanted to lurker lynch instead. At least I've an excuse since this is my first game, but you specifically made a list of players, including you, who should step up and bizarrely recommended that those players shouldn't be DT checked or medi protected. I suppose the natural explanation is that you aren't playing for town victory.
Or you should learn more about the players on said list. I urged the town to lynch an inactive on day 1. Why? Because no one could agree on any one target during day 1. The few who were up on the docket were the first accused on very very weak analysis. Analysis is something that newer players should realize is not something that is magically done day 1. There is little to no information and barring some insane scum slip it is very hard to net a red. It is even harder when the activity of a thread is so low that half the players all appear the same level of shady.
With luck this game day will provide a good amount of posts to spend the hour to 2 hours writing out a pbp analysis of someone, but as of right now I am heading off to work. If luck is with me I shall have an hour or two mid to late afternoon before I take off to bartend a wedding.
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Worst 36 hours of my life that I can remember in ages. However I am back and my schedule is now back to standard life so I shouldn't be mia so long. To start with, I have just caught up on the thread and anyone voting for RoL unvote now. With so little discussion against his lynch it is clear mafia are content with him dying. Factor in his general acting like an ass to me would imply that if he is town he is using it to dodge night hits. Why the hell else would you be so apathetic?
Now as to the two other vote targets proposed below.
On June 20 2011 04:28 Varpulis wrote:I'm still really unsure about syllogism. I've read through his posts 3 times, and I can't confidently say mafia or town. I'm leaving my vote on Hiro, at least for the time being. I suggest that we consolidate our votes to three possible lynches, to avoid letting scum hide behind outlier votes. - syllogism
- Hiro Protagonist
- RebirthOfLeGenD
Is that list OK with people? Everybody should pick one, and vote for them, providing reasons as to why they are picking that person over the other two. Protest voting a lurker or somebody in no danger of being lynched is not going to accomplish anything.
Hiro has two days worth of suspect behaviour, and has been on the lynch twice. IF he survives this lynch he should be getting vigi'd. Simple. Syllogism has called people out for not contributing and then barely contributed himself. He then follows it up using the excuse.
On June 19 2011 05:50 syllogism wrote:
It's just frustrating to even to even attempt scum hunting when play like that is tolerated from veterans. It is decidedly anti-town, even if it's more likely he wouldn't play like that as scum.
Now i say this is suspect purely for one simple reason. He doesn't believe RoL would perform this way as scum, but then doesnt try to figure out why RoL is playing the way he is and still votes to kill him. He has since unvoted and has opted to analyze another player on very weak analysis. After this analysis he doesnt even back it up with a vote. Major FoS on him for now. As a new player who has a ton of expectations you don't follow through on what you expect of others, nor do you properly pressure the people you expect more from and rely on other people to do it for you. This being said your activity level throughout the day as well as attempting to do analysis (even if it was terrible but everyone starts at the bottom before learning) I am willing to give you another day to step it up. Hiro has not really done a whole lot, and the moment votes started swapping from RoL elsewhere (syllo and hiro) the thread picked up in activity from what I can see. As such it seems mafia more likely to be opposed to one of the two of these players being lynched.
vote hirotheprotagonist
Vigi's whichever of the two doesnt get lynched, the other should be shot.
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On June 20 2011 05:02 syllogism wrote:
I've to disagree with your assessment of my analysis. Perhaps the metagame here is different, but players refusing to commit into voting on people who can actually be lynched is anti-town. Also I'd like to note we still haven't seen ANY analysis from you.
Are you seriously asking for another massive block of text pushing another lynch target this close to day end?
Me posting any huge monster post of analysis at this moment could/would be detrimental so close to day end. That is in terms of post by post analysis.
There are multiple people I could analyze for doing suspect behaviour. Youngminii for tunneling RoL but never voting for him. That post began the bandwagon that could still get RoL killed.
How about LandeC for being inactive until called out, post enough to appear to be there then vanish into lurker country.
I could continue this or choose one of these people and heavily analyze their posts, but at this stage in the day it is not constructive. Even if you preface the entire thing with "do not vote for this person today" if the analysis is compelling people will vote there. Then if the lynch turns out bad, it looks horrible on me.
As of right now the best route for town is to stay concentrated on either you or Hiro. If the one of the two of you that is lynched flips town we vigi the other. Simple as that.
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On June 20 2011 05:16 hiro protagonist wrote:
Seriously, why is it when I vote for an inactive, its scummy, but when BC or node does it, they get no flack? No matter what I do, its scummy.
RoL: what changed your mind about me?
##vote syllogism
I agree that the vote should be between me and syllogism. Both act scummy, one of us is probably scum. should give us good info with the votes. I'm fine with the other being viged like BC said.
I am tired of defending myself, vote for who you think is more scummy. peace.
I had no issue with your voting for an inactive, I had issue with other bits of your posting. I honestly believe you phrased your post oddly with your GG vote. As a note for next time rather than giving statistics that make you look scummy, instead say you would prefer to policy lynch an inactive. It looks less horrid and is much more understood by most.
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Swaying argument in pm land has led me to believe syllo is a better lynch atm.
vote syllogism
On June 20 2011 10:18 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 04:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Worst 36 hours of my life that I can remember in ages. However I am back and my schedule is now back to standard life so I shouldn't be mia so long. To start with, I have just caught up on the thread and anyone voting for RoL unvote now. With so little discussion against his lynch it is clear mafia are content with him dying. Factor in his general acting like an ass to me would imply that if he is town he is using it to dodge night hits. Why the hell else would you be so apathetic? Now as to the two other vote targets proposed below. On June 20 2011 04:28 Varpulis wrote:I'm still really unsure about syllogism. I've read through his posts 3 times, and I can't confidently say mafia or town. I'm leaving my vote on Hiro, at least for the time being. I suggest that we consolidate our votes to three possible lynches, to avoid letting scum hide behind outlier votes. - syllogism
- Hiro Protagonist
- RebirthOfLeGenD
Is that list OK with people? Everybody should pick one, and vote for them, providing reasons as to why they are picking that person over the other two. Protest voting a lurker or somebody in no danger of being lynched is not going to accomplish anything. Hiro has two days worth of suspect behaviour, and has been on the lynch twice. IF he survives this lynch he should be getting vigi'd. Simple. Syllogism has called people out for not contributing and then barely contributed himself. He then follows it up using the excuse. On June 19 2011 05:50 syllogism wrote:
It's just frustrating to even to even attempt scum hunting when play like that is tolerated from veterans. It is decidedly anti-town, even if it's more likely he wouldn't play like that as scum. Now i say this is suspect purely for one simple reason. He doesn't believe RoL would perform this way as scum, but then doesnt try to figure out why RoL is playing the way he is and still votes to kill him. He has since unvoted and has opted to analyze another player on very weak analysis. After this analysis he doesnt even back it up with a vote. Major FoS on him for now. As a new player who has a ton of expectations you don't follow through on what you expect of others, nor do you properly pressure the people you expect more from and rely on other people to do it for you. This being said your activity level throughout the day as well as attempting to do analysis (even if it was terrible but everyone starts at the bottom before learning) I am willing to give you another day to step it up. Hiro has not really done a whole lot, and the moment votes started swapping from RoL elsewhere (syllo and hiro) the thread picked up in activity from what I can see. As such it seems mafia more likely to be opposed to one of the two of these players being lynched. vote hirotheprotagonist Vigi's whichever of the two doesnt get lynched, the other should be shot. Did you just scumslip by assuming that either of these players would flip green? Anyways, I think at this point Node is the highest priority for a vig shot, we can't let people on YOUR zodiac list lurk that hardcore.
Based on how both appeared on the lynch docket at roughly the same time and thread activity has spiked at the same time, I would gather 1 is red, whereas the possibility of a second is there it is not guarenteed. If the lynch flips green vig the survivor as that is who the red will be.
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On June 20 2011 10:56 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 10:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Swaying argument in pm land has led me to believe syllo is a better lynch atm. vote syllogismOn June 20 2011 10:18 GGQ wrote:On June 20 2011 04:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Worst 36 hours of my life that I can remember in ages. However I am back and my schedule is now back to standard life so I shouldn't be mia so long. To start with, I have just caught up on the thread and anyone voting for RoL unvote now. With so little discussion against his lynch it is clear mafia are content with him dying. Factor in his general acting like an ass to me would imply that if he is town he is using it to dodge night hits. Why the hell else would you be so apathetic? Now as to the two other vote targets proposed below. On June 20 2011 04:28 Varpulis wrote:I'm still really unsure about syllogism. I've read through his posts 3 times, and I can't confidently say mafia or town. I'm leaving my vote on Hiro, at least for the time being. I suggest that we consolidate our votes to three possible lynches, to avoid letting scum hide behind outlier votes. - syllogism
- Hiro Protagonist
- RebirthOfLeGenD
Is that list OK with people? Everybody should pick one, and vote for them, providing reasons as to why they are picking that person over the other two. Protest voting a lurker or somebody in no danger of being lynched is not going to accomplish anything. Hiro has two days worth of suspect behaviour, and has been on the lynch twice. IF he survives this lynch he should be getting vigi'd. Simple. Syllogism has called people out for not contributing and then barely contributed himself. He then follows it up using the excuse. On June 19 2011 05:50 syllogism wrote:
It's just frustrating to even to even attempt scum hunting when play like that is tolerated from veterans. It is decidedly anti-town, even if it's more likely he wouldn't play like that as scum. Now i say this is suspect purely for one simple reason. He doesn't believe RoL would perform this way as scum, but then doesnt try to figure out why RoL is playing the way he is and still votes to kill him. He has since unvoted and has opted to analyze another player on very weak analysis. After this analysis he doesnt even back it up with a vote. Major FoS on him for now. As a new player who has a ton of expectations you don't follow through on what you expect of others, nor do you properly pressure the people you expect more from and rely on other people to do it for you. This being said your activity level throughout the day as well as attempting to do analysis (even if it was terrible but everyone starts at the bottom before learning) I am willing to give you another day to step it up. Hiro has not really done a whole lot, and the moment votes started swapping from RoL elsewhere (syllo and hiro) the thread picked up in activity from what I can see. As such it seems mafia more likely to be opposed to one of the two of these players being lynched. vote hirotheprotagonist Vigi's whichever of the two doesnt get lynched, the other should be shot. Did you just scumslip by assuming that either of these players would flip green? Anyways, I think at this point Node is the highest priority for a vig shot, we can't let people on YOUR zodiac list lurk that hardcore. Based on how both appeared on the lynch docket at roughly the same time and thread activity has spiked at the same time, I would gather 1 is red, whereas the possibility of a second is there it is not guarenteed. If the lynch flips green vig the survivor as that is who the red will be. The way you said it made it sound like you expected either of them to flip green.
based on thread I would guess 1 of them will flip green. If we lynch red then i'd hold off vigi'ing the other. If we had managed to catch two red in this set I would figure mafia would most likely bus one of them to potentially clear the other. As the votes are fairly evenly split I don't really see that situation here.
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On June 20 2011 13:28 Varpulis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 13:01 sandroba wrote:
RoL, why are you asking for DT checks on people on hiro's lynch while asking for a vig shot on hiro? That's like you are already assuming he will flip green. What the hell is your logic here? ...when did he ask for that? What am I missing in PM land?
On June 20 2011 11:00 flamewheel wrote:
Day 2 Vote Tally
Votes for RebirthOfLeGenD (2): FudgeMunkey, Node,
Votes for syllogism (10): RebirthOfLeGenD, GGQ, Jacinto, Mr. Wiggles, Kenpachi, Shraft, hiro protagonist, LandenC, ~OpZ~, BloodyC0bbler
Votes for hiro protagonist (7): sandroba, Varpulis, Mataza, youngminii, VisceraEyes, DeMorcerf, syllogism
Votes for Node (1): sinani206
syllogism is to be lynched. aidnai and grassgiraffe will be modkilled.
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So here is the dealio. No one, and I repeat no one shoots hiro. There are new developments that I cannot go into detail at this exact time to explain but no one takes a pot shot at him. I repeat
until further notice, no hatter/vig shoots hiro
When things are fleshed out more I will give you more info, but for the next bit of time keep your guns holstered.
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Heres the deal. Hiro has rc'd and his role is easily provable throughout the night, as such that is the intention. If he doesn't come through he gets lynched, however if he does come through we have a confirmed blue, garner a good amount of info from voting lists and thread, and saves a vig/hatter for another target.
Everything will be cleared by end of night phase.
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On June 21 2011 01:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
And if he's lying, he survives another night, we lose another day lynching him and Mafia KP does NOT suffer because we've spent 5 cycles dicking around.
BC, tell me how confident you are in his claim. I understand wanting to be cautious about it, but we're talking about a lot of wasted time.
I went back through the thread and went through alot of his posts. Far to many of them were begging or pleading for a blue to confirm him. With his role town kp is completely wasted. By that I do mean wasted.
Basically the only two options here would be he is gf, or he is what he claimed. If he doesn't follow through on what he has been instructed on doing we net the gf. For that simple confirmation alone I am willing to risk this.
Also on an unrelated note, node is scheduled to die tonight.
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On June 21 2011 01:39 Mataza wrote:
Also C0bbler, I will hold you accountable for the shit that´s going down tonight.
I expect it to be honest.
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On June 21 2011 07:09 Incognito wrote:
Flamewheel won't be around for the day post, so if you haven't already, please send me your night actions. Night ends in 4 hours.
Ok now theres an issue -_-.
I know hiro pm'd his action to fw but no idea if fw passed any night actions onward. As such his method of confirming himself may be now gone via this night cycle. As this may or may not be the case and I know hes mia for the rest of the period.
He claimed hatter. He was supposed to be suiciding into node tonight for multiple reasons.
Node is on a small group's scum list, the flip of hiro would shed light on his aggressors and voting lists. It would also save town kp from killing town kp.
As such Anyone who is on I pose this.
How do you wish to proceed now that his night action may not be going through due to incog not having it?
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On June 21 2011 10:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
BC God damnit.
After losing 10 townies so far, you thought that maybe a 1 for 1 trade against a POSSIBLE mafia was a good idea? [/rant]
Okay, well all we can do at this point is lynch Node assuming he's not mod-killed, right? I mean, you think he's scum...I haven't detected the FAINTEST hint of scum in any of his posts, aside from lack of them, but I'm a noob. So yeah? Lynch Node, DT check hiro, start scumhunting at dawn?
Eh, of all the vets he is by far the most inactive and I know as town he is fairly active. IT also seemed to make more sense as if hiro didn't suicide we know hes red. With all the dt begging as well he would most likely be gf.
It seemed a far better solution than letting a town vig shoot him thus wasting two kp roles.
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