Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia III

On June 05 2011 06:13 youngminii wrote:

You bring up a plan to create discussion while knowing it was completely bullshit, then you tell everyone to ignore the idea (making the discussion null and void anyway)?

That's completely retarded, big FoS, if all the inactives come back before the end of the day my vote goes to you.

On June 04 2011 23:40 Mataza wrote:


Yes, it´s quite sensible really. With my normal start I was widely perceived as random and scummy, which is not good for my play whatsoever.
I could of course say it´s only good for my town play, but that would be deceiving you.
As Scum, lynching me is obviously what I don´t want.
As Town, lynching me would be a mislynch and that´s also bad for town.

Also Prplhz get a grip on yourself. Since this setup has no PMs, claims are just a bad play.
I only advocated claims in SNM2 because we could deduce the exact setup. Here, we have to do it by plain old scumhunting.

For example tomorrow we know the kill of night 1. Now for example if I would drop dead, it would make Palmar a suspect. Then again you can go by the fact that Palmar wouldn´t be that straightforward and look for someone who furthered an argument between us 2 without getting himself involved.
Just like Giygas badly tried to play me and Viscera against each other in SNM2.


Vanilla vs Vanilla as working assumption, all in favor?

On June 04 2011 12:48 sinani206 wrote:
Yes I completely agree, but if we don't have any outstandingly scummy players there is no point in choosing the scummiest player (who might not be very scummy at all) over a player with one post and an unexplained vote.

On June 04 2011 13:58 sinani206 wrote:
Varpulis, why did you change your mind so quickly after Hesmyrr posted?

On June 05 2011 13:40 sinani206 wrote:


He only responds to people and does not contribute to the discussion at all. He talks about some joke that obviously does not have to do with the current game, and then asks me and Mataza some silly questions. There had not been too much wrong with Mataza's play at this point in time, so I don't see why he begins metagaming with his first post. His question toward me was particularly pointless, because I specifically stated that it was a list of players who had not posted since the Day 1 post. I obviously could not name myself in the list because by posting the list I myself would be posting. Silly filler questions to help his active lurking regimen.

##Vote stefftastiq

On June 06 2011 01:21 youngminii wrote:

...
what is this
really

I'm gunning for you because your reasoning/play has been scummy so far, it doesn't have anything to do with whether I agree or disagree with your 'methods'.

Also, less belittlement please.

Basically your post had no real content. You reaffirm your belief that lynching inactives is stupid, yet you never disagreed with anyone about it earlier. There are plenty of people other than sinani advocating the inactive lynch, including myself, yet you don't even consider this in your crusade against sinani.

Then you go on and post a bunch of bullshit for the sake of content.

No, you are definitely the scummiest in this town.

On June 06 2011 06:00 Varpulis wrote:
Sinani claimed it was an error in copying from his excel spreadsheet, iirc. Palmar started on Mataza, switched to youngminii, hasn't changed his vote since.

On June 06 2011 11:33 youngminii wrote:
Don't know if I'm the best cop check. I think it may be safe to play the next day or two assuming I'm town, no? I mean unless you really think my play is really scummy, but there's definitely better people to check imo, especially:

Palmar. He's nearing the top of my scum list but there's a little voice in the back of my head telling me he's just a crappy town player. If we can get a cop to check him I'd be a lot more reassured.

On June 06 2011 10:51 Kavdragon wrote:
So I'll be honest here. I saw giant bandwagon on a player who had no one really defending them. That is a town tell for me. Don't get me wrong, I think that sinari looks scummy, but that big of a landslide of votes is not going to happen to a mafia player.

So I was going to press for Original Name, becaues he was lurking back and not posting much other than defence.

This claim (which sinani's been painfully obviously hinting at for the since he asked if a vet could be lynched) is changing things. If I were mafia, and I was about to be lynched, I would 100% claim vet. It's not confirmable unless you are shot, and obviously the mafia isn't going to shoot their own member. After they claim vet they have an excuse to be alive for the rest of the game "Because the mafia know that I am a vet".

In short, the vet claim makes me think more than anything that Sinani is scum. I think I think that the vet claim is a last ditch attempt to save their own, and by the looks of it it's going pretty well.

##Unvote
##Vote Sinani

On June 05 2011 03:29 youngminii wrote:
Originalname you shouldn't be speaking for palmar. Let him speak for himself and we'll judge how scummy his actions/response is. I mean by speaking for him it kind of looks like you're helping him, and it's way too early to be defending people, considering we have almost no information.

As for the vet claiming, I'm all for it if the entire town can get behind it. If the vet is a liar, I think we'll figure it out eventually as the days go on. If the vet dies first night because of a roleblock + hit, then we'll know that there is a roleblocker in the game. I don't see the downsides outweighing the advantages to this.

On June 06 2011 10:28 youngminii wrote:
Guys if you won't listen to logic, can you at least listen to math? IF, IF Sinani is vet, then we will be losing a pretty big town power role. Honestly, do you really want to risk that instead of waiting one more day for a confirmation?

Most, if not all, of the mafia would definitely agree with the lynch on Sinani (assuming he is vet). Don't get caught up in the bandwagoning imo.

man if sinani ends up being scum i'm never gonna play mafia ever again

On June 06 2011 11:03 youngminii wrote:
sinani, you played pretty terribly, not for the reasons everyone else is saying (well kinda)

you should definitely have a bit more content in your posts, you made yourself a very, very easy target. you shouldn't EVER give up with a "whatever" attitude, you should be defending yourself to the end. your entire defence was mounted by me, and that's just unacceptable. you can't rely on having someone else risk their reputation to save you just because they think you're not scum. you have to mass appeal to everyone else.

in any case, this sucks. palmar and prplhz on huge fos because they (warning: theory) both tried to absolve themselves in the end, realising that they were about to lynch a vet and didn't want to have their hands covered in blood

On June 06 2011 12:11 youngminii wrote:

Well I mean, if the town is coordinating the detective check, mafia is probably going to (OH GOD I'M GONNA MAKE WIFOM) kill the person we agree to check. I mean if they don't, they're just stupid.

In any case, I'm going to lean on the fact that I defended sinani from the start to remove any suspicions on me for now. I don't know exactly why you think I'm suspicious and I don't really want to know right now (in favour of other discussion) so try to look at the fact that I defended sinani, sinani flipped blue, and postpone your suspicion on me.

I think the general consensus is to check Palmar for now, hopefully it turns out to be eventful.

@OriginalName I think Mataza is pretty scummy and flying under the radar to be honest, no point in acting on this yet though.

On June 08 2011 06:32 youngminii wrote:
Funny how if we actually went through with the plan we wouldn't have lost our vet, but that's just derailment and I won't discuss that.

Kav, don't flame him like that during the game. Leave that for endgame discussion.

At this point, anyone that's not voting for ON will obviously be put under scrutiny if he flips red.

@Dementrio: Yes I've backed off Palmar quite a bit, steff/unichan/prplhz are all scum candidates too. My gut tells me steff is just an overeager town, but that could apply to both the others too.

@Prplhz: Your pressure against Varpulis is stupid. None of those reasons are scumworthy and you are guilty of the last line of reasoning yourself. I kind of don't like how you're just completely avoiding voting for ON, but I mean if you both really were scum you'd probably be trying to lynch an actual lynch candidate instead of randomly pressuring Varpulis.

What vexes me right now is that other than ON, the highest number of votes on anyone is 1. Either scum knows ON is done for and is bussing him or they're extremely uncoordinated. I don't like how unichan and JeeJee are abstaining their votes until later, they could be just waiting until the last moment in case another lynch candidate pops up. I'm going to say JeeJee's doing this out of bad play, and unichan is the more suspicious one.

Note: Palmar has posted contentless content again for the past few posts. Keep an eye on him.

On June 09 2011 06:15 youngminii wrote:
You're absolutely right JeeJee, I don't disagree with your vote against Kav. Personally however, I think it is a misguided attempt at trying to find scum just because you think ON's lynch isn't justified.

I'm still of the belief that ON's lynch will give us more information than lynching anyone else can. I also think he's the most scummy in the town right now. If he flips green, I promise I'll support you in getting some answers from Kav.

I never said "lol get some coaching" was a valid response, in fact I told Kav not to say that type of stuff in game because it doesn't contribute anything towards scumhunting and just makes you look weaker to the newcomers when a more experienced player says it.


This may very well be true, but there is another option. Misguided town. If ON flips red I won't be blaming you because you do have the right intentions.

On June 09 2011 23:07 prplhz wrote:
Okay Palmar's plan is actually not terrible this time.

If there is a vigilante he should seriously consider shooting somebody, a hit will be awesome and a miss will not be too terrible. If there is a cop he should also strongly consider claiming, depending on what information he's got so far.

Also, were noone roleblocked on day1? In SNMMII no roleblocker meant only one blue role for town. I seriously doubt that there is a vig or a cop (and almost certain that we don't have both). So do not rely on them people, we may just have to do the scumhunting ourselves. I may be away for the first part of day1 but I'm almost certainly here for a good part of the rest of it.

On June 10 2011 04:40 Kavdragon wrote:
less activity during the night is a myth invented by mafia in every game. More content to analyse is better for town. What's bad about it?

In other news, I have a vig target! Dementrio has 5 posts in this game and is lurking hardcore. He comes in posts once or twice, then leaves and doesn't come back till the next vote.

On June 12 2011 06:23 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
When does this day end?
ALSO DROPBEAR/GMARSHAL GET ON IRC

On June 12 2011 21:15 dementrio wrote:
yea I think despite all the flak lurkers get, lurking is pretty much the best way to not get lynched. I only played 2 games, both as scum, and got deep by lurking while town was yelling "lurkers you are scum! but I'll lynch the active guy!"

look also at unichan who was here till the end. Imo someone who talks will always look more suspicious than someone who doesn't. It sucks because I think it makes for less enjoyable games