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Looking at the people who are being voted for, here's my analysis.
-freeloader625
I think we're being a bit too hasty having him have with most votes. Sure his defenses were flimsy and irrelevant, but the reason we voted him in the first place was because he wasn't sure of the rules. This is a beginner's game, so I don't think this alone should be enough for a lynch.
The fact that he has, however, been flimsy with his defense leads me to believe that we may have gotten lucky accusing him. Another thing is that he continually cites his experience with SC2 mafia. I don't know if any of you played this, but it's not very difficult. You have 1 minute days and it is random lynching most of the time. Now it is possible to pin his poor defense on the easier mafia game, but I don't think that's really relevant at all. The poor defense is either caused by he is mafia, and a bad liar, or he's town, and a bad player.
I don't think however, that asking about the rules makes him mafia, and besides, if he was mafia, he would know the answer to the question. If we pretend he's really good at this game though, he might ask the question just to attempt to show inexperience and therefore be less likely to be lynched. I do think though, that if he were experienced, he would be able to foresee the fallout of his question. Therefore I think that he is just an inexperienced player looking for answers of how the game is played. That also is probably the reason his defense was so bad.
-lafali
This one is interesting because he only has 2 posts. Both not very informative. One of them patting aprudds on the back, the latter accusing him because of something that happened far before the first earlier post. he voted freeloader at first, RIGHT before his second post. But an hour after he accused aprudds, he unvoted for seemingly no reason, and has yet to vote.
lafali is acting awfully suspicious, but I don't think that 2 short posts is quite enough information to judge him on. However, keep an eye out on him, he does seem rather suscpicious.
-aprudds
He seems like an honest scum-hunting citizen, and his only vote so far is by pyo for the reason "aprudds - for a really arbitrary out of nowhere accusation". His accusation was reasoned by him, and he even stated it was partially just to get the discussion started. Honestly, he has been the most scum-hunting of us, so I think he's very town.
-TheAwesomeAll
Considering this vote seems like a joke, I don't have much to say. First of all, it wasn't nearly his first post, as monsterDraker said, and furthermore, it wasn't even anything that bad, it was just facts. It does lead me to be suspicious of monster though. He voted because the post "annoyed" him. He seems WAY to hasty to vote.
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Yea true, I stupidly joined the bandwagon to lynch freeloader from his posts.
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Hey guys,
This is all getting a bit out of hand, we seem to already be getting in each others faces over perceived (and real) sleights. I have only played mafia on battle.net, and this is going to be quite a different game to that.
What i believe is the crucial difference is that we have large amounts of time for discussion. This also gives us the time to create a solid plan for using whatever roles we have effectively (it would seem that way).
Maybe some of the more experienced players could expand on what investigative stratagies they have used; their pitfalls, and how we may evade those pitfalls.
Perhaps an added benifit will be that it will be very tricky for a mafia to come up with a generalized stratagy that is grounded in reason, so maybe there will be some suspiciously quiet people. (I assume it will be difficult for a generalized stratagy becasue i can only see the mafia being able to take advantage of a specific stratagy by getting their peolpe in the right places).
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On June 06 2011 04:22 rookie44 wrote:
Hey guys,
This is all getting a bit out of hand, we seem to already be getting in each others faces over perceived (and real) sleights. I have only played mafia on battle.net, and this is going to be quite a different game to that.
What i believe is the crucial difference is that we have large amounts of time for discussion. This also gives us the time to create a solid plan for using whatever roles we have effectively (it would seem that way).
Maybe some of the more experienced players could expand on what investigative stratagies they have used; their pitfalls, and how we may evade those pitfalls.
Perhaps an added benifit will be that it will be very tricky for a mafia to come up with a generalized stratagy that is grounded in reason, so maybe there will be some suspiciously quiet people. (I assume it will be difficult for a generalized stratagy becasue i can only see the mafia being able to take advantage of a specific stratagy by getting their peolpe in the right places).
Please refer to these guides on playing TL mafia.
For town: aidnai, GMarshal
For mafia: bumatlarge, chaos13
LSB's Newbie Guide
Mafiascum Newbie Guide
Introduction to Mafia (Flash)
Ver's town guide
Ace's Mafia Manifesto
Qatol's Town Guide
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On June 06 2011 04:01 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 01:30 monsterDrakar wrote:On June 06 2011 01:17 TheAwesomeAll wrote:Vain you make me look silly in your summary, but its great otherwise. I quickly made a list of inactive people, you can ignore the numbers. + Show Spoiler +
1. Munk-E
2. blackone
amazingxkcd
5. cherubael
6. teamsolid
8. Alderan
10. Drazerk has voted but not posted
12. Aril
14. TheKK
15. TranceStorm
16. heist
17. Sprungjeezy
18. monsterDrakar
21. supersoft
23. Xedat
24. grush57
25. Date_Reaper
26. CjrNinja
29. DeMorcerf
31. Kurumi
33. Clicker
34. Kairo
36. gtrsrs
38. tdAdonis
40. GGQ
I will quickly make a list of people who annoy me with their first post. + Show Spoiler +You got my vote. You earned it. More explanation, please. Why does this annoy you? Why do you feel justified voting for people who annoy you rather than people that you suspect are mafia?
Yes, it was very rude of me to not provide an explanation. I will not post one liners in the future. It's simple really:
A guy comes out of nowhere and makes a list with "innactives" when the game hasn't been running even for a full day. I would expect some people had not seen the thread at that time. The guy himself has JUST become "active", so he isn't on the list. What was more annoying was that the list wasn't even accurate. He posted an updated version (after being corrected by another player) and it still wasn't accurate. He makes himself appear helpful, while providing an absolutely useless piece of information. I do in fact categorize that behavior as scummy.
As I said before, I have no interest in participating in the bandwagon lynch of freeloader625. So all-in-all, if I am going to random lynch someone with a 1/5 chance of them being mafia, TheAwesomeAll seems like the best target so far.
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On June 06 2011 03:44 gtrsrs wrote:hi everyone i'm back my thoughts so far: - jesus christ, 7 pages of nothing - freeloader asked an innocuous question that was stupid but not scummy IMO in fact he made it quite clear the reasons he was asking: Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 12:44 freeloader625 wrote:
Omg I'm so excited for this. I read all the rules twice and just want to ask to anyone willing to answer (before the game starts) since these were not answered in the thread rules:
1) Since PMs are not allowed, how would mafia communicate with each other?
2) Once someone dies whether it be by votes or mafia hit, will their roles be revealed?
and then everyone ignored the fact that he asked another innocuous question too. clinging to false evidence ITT? - unfortunately it looks like a slip so i can see him getting lynched today - if he flips town, we'll need to re-evaluate the people who pushed for his lynch - dude who keeps posting haikus, please stop, that's thread derailment and very scummy. i can't even read your posts. i do not think there are any posting restrictions so only post what you HAVE to - that being said, i'm going to vote for you because i don't want to jump on the freeloader bandwagon (nor do i want to try and counterbandwagon onto aprudds for calling him out) - voting in this thread is not scummy, whoever said that. voting in this thread helps us keep track of bandwagons and reasoning behind votes. please vote in this thread when you vote in the voting thread. - there are too many posts in this thread. you probably don't have anything to say at this point. don't post for posting's sake. when you do post, please make long, well-thought-out posts. short posts derail the thread. i think one of the pages had like 10 one-line posts and that's not acceptable. it allows mafia to "blend in" with the town by posting similarly. - posts that have words but don't say anything are scummy - kurumi is naturally an annoying, accusatory spammer, don't read into it too much  (also no offense to kurumi) - from what i've seen of his play in other games, jackal is a strong player. don't let his abrasive personality cloud your mind from his usually very-informative, rational posts. at the same time, please use your own judgment when reading his posts and decide for yourself if you come to the same conclusions. if he is mafia he will use his "upstandingness" to sheep us around. ##vote: iGrok
So how common is it for townies to vote for/ lynch day1 people that they just don't like or find annoying? I mean in the face no real evidence for or against anyone is it worth it to eliminate inactive or annoying players?
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On June 06 2011 04:28 monsterDrakar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 04:01 GGQ wrote:On June 06 2011 01:30 monsterDrakar wrote:On June 06 2011 01:17 TheAwesomeAll wrote:Vain you make me look silly in your summary, but its great otherwise. I quickly made a list of inactive people, you can ignore the numbers. + Show Spoiler +
1. Munk-E
2. blackone
amazingxkcd
5. cherubael
6. teamsolid
8. Alderan
10. Drazerk has voted but not posted
12. Aril
14. TheKK
15. TranceStorm
16. heist
17. Sprungjeezy
18. monsterDrakar
21. supersoft
23. Xedat
24. grush57
25. Date_Reaper
26. CjrNinja
29. DeMorcerf
31. Kurumi
33. Clicker
34. Kairo
36. gtrsrs
38. tdAdonis
40. GGQ
I will quickly make a list of people who annoy me with their first post. + Show Spoiler +You got my vote. You earned it. More explanation, please. Why does this annoy you? Why do you feel justified voting for people who annoy you rather than people that you suspect are mafia? Yes, it was very rude of me to not provide an explanation. I will not post one liners in the future. It's simple really: A guy comes out of nowhere and makes a list with "innactives" when the game hasn't been running even for a full day. I would expect some people had not seen the thread at that time. The guy himself has JUST become "active", so he isn't on the list. What was more annoying was that the list wasn't even accurate. He posted an updated version (after being corrected by another player) and it still wasn't accurate. He makes himself appear helpful, while providing an absolutely useless piece of information. I do in fact categorize that behavior as scummy. As I said before, I have no interest in participating in the bandwagon lynch of freeloader625. So all-in-all, if I am going to random lynch someone with a 1/5 chance of them being mafia, TheAwesomeAll seems like the best target so far.
Sorry for the misunderstanding lol, my post page is messed up so you dont see all the posts in one thread, but in several.
here they are:
+ Show Spoiler +
Whereas you only made one post and the sign up post, and i forgot about it and missed it in checking it up. Even Demorcerf missed you. Im really sorry but if i could i would edit you out of the list.
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On June 05 2011 13:35 aprudds wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 12:44 freeloader625 wrote:
Omg I'm so excited for this. I read all the rules twice and just want to ask to anyone willing to answer (before the game starts) since these were not answered in the thread rules:
1) Since PMs are not allowed, how would mafia communicate with each other?
2) Once someone dies whether it be by votes or mafia hit, will their roles be revealed?
Thanks and GL everyone! (I've only played SC2 Mafia before and got hooked) Hmm, a bit suspicious no? Right when the PM are getting sent out too. Scum slip?
To address this, I've been around this mafia forum for a while, and I was mafia last game. In your post telling you that you are mafia, you are usually given a link to a private quicktopic where your mafia team can coordinate. So freeloader's question actually indicates the opposite of what everyone assumed; he's probably not mafia because he didn't know how mafia communicates.
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 06 2011 04:22 rookie44 wrote:
Hey guys,
This is all getting a bit out of hand, we seem to already be getting in each others faces over perceived (and real) sleights. I have only played mafia on battle.net, and this is going to be quite a different game to that.
What i believe is the crucial difference is that we have large amounts of time for discussion. This also gives us the time to create a solid plan for using whatever roles we have effectively (it would seem that way).
Maybe some of the more experienced players could expand on what investigative stratagies they have used; their pitfalls, and how we may evade those pitfalls.
Perhaps an added benifit will be that it will be very tricky for a mafia to come up with a generalized stratagy that is grounded in reason, so maybe there will be some suspiciously quiet people. (I assume it will be difficult for a generalized stratagy becasue i can only see the mafia being able to take advantage of a specific stratagy by getting their peolpe in the right places).
Day 1 in a game this size is always a cluster fuck. Things will start to sort themselves out after day is over.
Fishing for blues is a scummy thing to do. So don't do it.
There are a variety of things town can do that have the ability to catch scum.
I am not going to share them though. If I do that scum won't fall for them. PM games are easier to set up traps but they aren't impossible in a non PM game.
Scum have the advantage of information and communication. If you post the link to your scum channel it would give everybody new to the game a chance to see how you operate.
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On June 06 2011 04:28 monsterDrakar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 04:01 GGQ wrote:On June 06 2011 01:30 monsterDrakar wrote:On June 06 2011 01:17 TheAwesomeAll wrote:Vain you make me look silly in your summary, but its great otherwise. I quickly made a list of inactive people, you can ignore the numbers. + Show Spoiler +
1. Munk-E
2. blackone
amazingxkcd
5. cherubael
6. teamsolid
8. Alderan
10. Drazerk has voted but not posted
12. Aril
14. TheKK
15. TranceStorm
16. heist
17. Sprungjeezy
18. monsterDrakar
21. supersoft
23. Xedat
24. grush57
25. Date_Reaper
26. CjrNinja
29. DeMorcerf
31. Kurumi
33. Clicker
34. Kairo
36. gtrsrs
38. tdAdonis
40. GGQ
I will quickly make a list of people who annoy me with their first post. + Show Spoiler +You got my vote. You earned it. More explanation, please. Why does this annoy you? Why do you feel justified voting for people who annoy you rather than people that you suspect are mafia? Yes, it was very rude of me to not provide an explanation. I will not post one liners in the future. It's simple really: A guy comes out of nowhere and makes a list with "innactives" when the game hasn't been running even for a full day. I would expect some people had not seen the thread at that time. The guy himself has JUST become "active", so he isn't on the list. What was more annoying was that the list wasn't even accurate. He posted an updated version (after being corrected by another player) and it still wasn't accurate. He makes himself appear helpful, while providing an absolutely useless piece of information. I do in fact categorize that behavior as scummy. As I said before, I have no interest in participating in the bandwagon lynch of freeloader625. So all-in-all, if I am going to random lynch someone with a 1/5 chance of them being mafia, TheAwesomeAll seems like the best target so far.
Although I can understand most of your points, don't you think there needs to be a way of keeping track of inactives?
It's a 40 person game and without some type of spreadsheet or list it will be hard to keep track of the lurkers.
I think your taking it too personally. If you don't like the list he made why not contribute to it so we can all keep track of everyone instead of jumping the gun?
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On June 06 2011 04:34 Pyo wrote:So how common is it for townies to vote for/ lynch day1 people that they just don't like or find annoying? I mean in the face no real evidence for or against anyone is it worth it to eliminate inactive or annoying players?
It happens. Not a lot but it happens. Vigis shooting people they don't like also happens. I hate when it happens. Mafia is first and foremost a numbers game. When town can stay ahead of the curve town wins. When people start pushing for lynches because somebody is a pain in the ass (Guilty) it puts town in a very bad position.
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i kinda thought that we would want to prevent this :
+ Show Spoiler +-Naturally the town ended up discussing essentially irrelevant info to death and the mafia got to sit back and hide amongst all the other lurkers who were avoiding the thread for whatever reason.
and the whole freeloader thing kinda reminded me of it.
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On June 06 2011 03:44 gtrsrs wrote:hi everyone i'm back my thoughts so far: - jesus christ, 7 pages of nothing - freeloader asked an innocuous question that was stupid but not scummy IMO in fact he made it quite clear the reasons he was asking: Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 12:44 freeloader625 wrote:
Omg I'm so excited for this. I read all the rules twice and just want to ask to anyone willing to answer (before the game starts) since these were not answered in the thread rules:
1) Since PMs are not allowed, how would mafia communicate with each other?
2) Once someone dies whether it be by votes or mafia hit, will their roles be revealed?
and then everyone ignored the fact that he asked another innocuous question too. clinging to false evidence ITT? - unfortunately it looks like a slip so i can see him getting lynched today - if he flips town, we'll need to re-evaluate the people who pushed for his lynch - dude who keeps posting haikus, please stop, that's thread derailment and very scummy. i can't even read your posts. i do not think there are any posting restrictions so only post what you HAVE to - that being said, i'm going to vote for you because i don't want to jump on the freeloader bandwagon (nor do i want to try and counterbandwagon onto aprudds for calling him out) - voting in this thread is not scummy, whoever said that. voting in this thread helps us keep track of bandwagons and reasoning behind votes. please vote in this thread when you vote in the voting thread. - there are too many posts in this thread. you probably don't have anything to say at this point. don't post for posting's sake. when you do post, please make long, well-thought-out posts. short posts derail the thread. i think one of the pages had like 10 one-line posts and that's not acceptable. it allows mafia to "blend in" with the town by posting similarly. - posts that have words but don't say anything are scummy - kurumi is naturally an annoying, accusatory spammer, don't read into it too much (also no offense to kurumi) - from what i've seen of his play in other games, jackal is a strong player. don't let his abrasive personality cloud your mind from his usually very-informative, rational posts. at the same time, please use your own judgment when reading his posts and decide for yourself if you come to the same conclusions. if he is mafia he will use his "upstandingness" to sheep us around. ##vote: iGrok
You didn't actually mention iGrok in your post, but you voted for him. More explaining please?
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 06 2011 04:36 aprudds wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 04:28 monsterDrakar wrote:On June 06 2011 04:01 GGQ wrote:On June 06 2011 01:30 monsterDrakar wrote:On June 06 2011 01:17 TheAwesomeAll wrote:Vain you make me look silly in your summary, but its great otherwise. I quickly made a list of inactive people, you can ignore the numbers. + Show Spoiler +
1. Munk-E
2. blackone
amazingxkcd
5. cherubael
6. teamsolid
8. Alderan
10. Drazerk has voted but not posted
12. Aril
14. TheKK
15. TranceStorm
16. heist
17. Sprungjeezy
18. monsterDrakar
21. supersoft
23. Xedat
24. grush57
25. Date_Reaper
26. CjrNinja
29. DeMorcerf
31. Kurumi
33. Clicker
34. Kairo
36. gtrsrs
38. tdAdonis
40. GGQ
I will quickly make a list of people who annoy me with their first post. + Show Spoiler +You got my vote. You earned it. More explanation, please. Why does this annoy you? Why do you feel justified voting for people who annoy you rather than people that you suspect are mafia? Yes, it was very rude of me to not provide an explanation. I will not post one liners in the future. It's simple really: A guy comes out of nowhere and makes a list with "innactives" when the game hasn't been running even for a full day. I would expect some people had not seen the thread at that time. The guy himself has JUST become "active", so he isn't on the list. What was more annoying was that the list wasn't even accurate. He posted an updated version (after being corrected by another player) and it still wasn't accurate. He makes himself appear helpful, while providing an absolutely useless piece of information. I do in fact categorize that behavior as scummy. As I said before, I have no interest in participating in the bandwagon lynch of freeloader625. So all-in-all, if I am going to random lynch someone with a 1/5 chance of them being mafia, TheAwesomeAll seems like the best target so far.
Although I can understand most of your points, don't you think there needs to be a way of keeping track of inactives?
It's a 40 person game and without some type of spreadsheet or list it will be hard to keep track of the lurkers.
I think your taking it too personally. If you don't like the list he made why not contribute to it so we can all keep track of everyone instead of jumping the gun?
Inactives will be mod killed. Not worth tracking. It's lurkers you want to keep a tab on. People that post just the minimum. They usually pop in to proclaim they aren't lurking right after you mention their name. Those are the ones you want to watch for. Also the ones that post excuses in advance. I'm not talking about a guy that says on day 3 "I won't be able to get online until tomorrow night" I'm talking about the ones that come in and say "I have finals this week so I'll not be very active" Dunno if you see the difference or not but if you can't play why did you sign up?
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On June 06 2011 04:34 Pyo wrote:
So how common is it for townies to vote for/ lynch day1 people that they just don't like or find annoying? I mean in the face no real evidence for or against anyone is it worth it to eliminate inactive or annoying players?
i have a reason
On June 06 2011 04:49 GGQ wrote:
You didn't actually mention iGrok in your post, but you voted for him. More explaining please?
i most certainly did
On June 06 2011 03:44 gtrsrs wrote:
- dude who keeps posting haikus, please stop, that's thread derailment and very scummy. i can't even read your posts. i do not think there are any posting restrictions so only post what you HAVE to
- that being said, i'm going to vote for you because i don't want to jump on the freeloader bandwagon (nor do i want to try and counterbandwagon onto aprudds for calling him out)
##vote: iGrok
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Well, a lot of posts popped up so fast, while I was writing my first response. Here is what I will add - 2 things.
1.I used the profile/show posts feature of the forum and it seems that I misled myself about TheAwesomeAll's participation in the thread. The list was not his first post. My mistake.
2. Of course players who take the game seriously(especially those who live after the first few nights) will keep additional notes and/or spread sheets with post counts, etc. I believe that such information is very important, but not needed in the first half of Day1(especially if it is inaccurate). I will state the obvious and say that If someone has one post and someone else has 10 posts at Day1 their chances of being mafia are still 1/5.
That being said, I still stand by my original opinion that making such a list at this point of the game is useless and keep my vote as it is.
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On June 05 2011 18:31 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 18:28 Sprungjeezy wrote:
Kurumi, you come off as a towny that is reading too far into too little. It's important to remember that this game is full of beginners and important to remember people will try to take advantage of that, but people will still make mistakes such as hopping on a bandwagon without really thinking into it.
Time for bed for me though. Cya tomorrow. No. Scum wants Town to mislynch. Scum wants Town not to think about other suspects. Scum wants to make Town jump on one bandwagon and deny EVERY discussion about anything else. They are doing that,not only but they're advocating that as a good thing.
With regards to the Freeloader situation:
a. read the posts. I wasn't advocating mislynching. Lafali, admittedly, somewhat was:
On June 05 2011 15:16 Lafali wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 15:09 omgCRAZY wrote:
With this being a newbies game I wouldn't be surprised that someone wants to get a handle on the game.
What I find interesting is how aprudds was so quick to get everyones attention focused on someone else and how the game has barely started and yet cherubael and Jimboo are already throwing out votes. His subsequent posts were fishy. Due to that I hopped on the voting bandwagon along with them. Its a 40 player game, I'm sure we can afford a few mislynches. Regardless, we should continue scumhunting. We do have 48 hours.
b. As far as "not thinking about other suspects" there WERE no other suspects, this was page one and noone else seemed remotely scummy.
c. there wasn't discussion about anything else and nobody was stopping anybody from talking about anything.
So freeloader got accused on questionable evidence, and then defended himself in a somewhat suspicious fashion. So a couple of noobies (myself included) voted for him early on.
And the Kurumi comes in and makes up shit about what we're doing that has only a grain of truth in it, and treats myself and Lafali (who both voted for freeloader) as proven scum based on 2 and 4 posts (or so). Then, later, Vain posts
+ Show Spoiler +On June 06 2011 00:26 Vain wrote:On June 06 2011 00:07 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 00:01 aprudds wrote:On June 05 2011 23:20 Kurumi wrote:
By the most scummy player I meant Your suspicion. An example of good post would be an analysis pointing out the biggest slips of player X leading Town in a Scum lynch.Remember though: there's nothing wrong about being wrong(unless You're redtooth,then You commit suicide on Day 3) A good post could be summing up who attacked who and who defended who + Your thoughts about it. Everything that generates discussion is good. You must remember though,that without good evidence there's probably no point in bringing something new,because this will cause chaos.
Pyo,it is too fast for scum to bus too. Freeloader's situation is really uncertain. His small,but bandwagon is based on shitty evidence. "He asked a question,no townie would ask it!" Think for a second. What would happen if Freeloader was scum? Someone would pm him and tell him everything he needed to know,makes sense? Hell yes.
We aren't that vindictive,don't worry <3 But there are players who are magnets,namely Radfield and Kavdragon,who like to die Day/Night 1. Kurumi, you're talking for the sake of talking and stirring up too many accusations without any discussion or analysis. Talk is good, blind accusations are bad. This makes chaos and makes it hard to focus on one thing at a time. (AGAIN) There isn't much to go on right now. Here's what happened: 1 guy asked a dumb question. Scum Scale: *---- 3 guys bandwaggonned. Scum Scale: **--- 2-3 people throw around un-called-for accusations. Scum Scale: ***-- Oh, and Pyo called you out on being an ass. If you are an experienced player like you say, you should know that rapidly throwing out multiple low impact accusations just lead to you getting ignored or lynched :/ @Pyo You need somewhere to get a discussion started. The accusation was arbitrary, but it's the best thing there was after the roles got pmed and before the game started. After everyone starts posting their mind on this there will be a greater pool of posts to look over. My dumbness meter went over 9000. Before saying "HURR DURR YOU DID NOTHING" read my posts. I brought evidence why I think they're scum. On June 05 2011 18:07 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 13:47 Treadmill wrote:
It is a good spot, aprudds. We should keep an eye on freeloader625.
Jimbooo, we do have to lynch somebody. Being "hasty" isn't really a concern. And somebody with next to no evidence against them is a better lynch than everyone else with no evidence against them at all. Still, 48 hours yet. What? Bad lynches are good lynches? Are You a stupid Rat or You're a Noobtown? Lynch is the most IMPORTANT tool town gets. ##vote Treadmill He was actually saying that some evidence for a lynch was better as a random lynch with no suspicion. now i would like to see your compelling evidence and accusations because frankly i have only seen you throwing out accusations and calling people noobtown.
pointing out that Kurumi's being silly so Kurumi replies with
On June 06 2011 00:27 Kurumi wrote:
@Vain
Let aprudds defend himself.
which is dumb because a. nobody was talking about aprudds - his only relation was that he had been suspicious of freeloader (presumably Kurumi meant me or Lafali, but why conflate us?). And b. an argument is an argument, no matter who it comes from.
Either Kurumi is paranoid or he's scum defending scum, trying to derail any argument against freeloader. I'm leaning towards the former, because apparently he has a history of being like this, but a DT should check him out tonight.
Leaving my vote on freeloader 'cause there's noone with a better case against them. That doesn't speak to strength of the case against freeloader but rather to the weakness of any other case. (not voting Kurumi 'cause if he is scum, then freeloader probably is too).
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On June 06 2011 04:07 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 00:01 Vain wrote:On June 05 2011 23:08 Pyo wrote:On June 05 2011 22:45 Kurumi wrote:
You're not going to participating in lynching the most scummy player Pyo? While I understand place holder votes You need to know that people like me will remember that. I want to see a good post after You're back. And who exactly is the most scummy player? Freeloader? If it freeloader really is a scum and people are all jumping on him, wouldn't other scum try to draw attention away from themselves by sacrificing him? In other words by encouraging others to go for him, or at least promoting mob mentality, isn't that a huge red flag as being scum? Maybe I should change my vote back after all... Are people actually vindictive in mafia? Wouldn't that draw too much attention to themselves? Either way, my apologies, don't kill me off too quick  Also, what counts as a "good post"? Maybe point out an example? From what I've seen looking through old mafias is that "good posts" that are too on target, especially early on end up getting you killed. Hi all. I just read trough all of the post and i must say there has been alot of accusations already. especially with Kurumi barging in and calling almost everyone that has posted a noobtown or a rat. I made a list of what happened the past time so i may as well post it. It may not be complete in the sence of what everyone has said but i think it helps tracing who accused who + Show Spoiler +
freeloader625 asked a question about mafia and said he was new
aprudds says scum slip(accuses freeloader)
Jimbooo Does not want to make hasty conclusions
treadmill agrees with aprudds(accuses freeloader)
cherubael is a bit indifferent at first but then also accuses freeloader
35spike1 joins the bandwagon without much explenation
gtrsrs posts he will be back tomorrow
Aril defends freeloader625
Lafali also hops the wagon
cherubael accuses aril
DeMorcerf accuses freeloader too
heist not suspicous of people defending freeloader
omgCRAZY: Appruds quick to acccuse freeloader. Cherubael and jimboo thorw out votes
Aril: We should not gang up on people
omgCRAZY states he's new to the game
iGrok defends freeloader. Says voting early suspicious. suggest checking freeloader
monsterDrakar doesnt support Appruds accusation
TheKK defends freeloader625.states it was a legimate question
TheAwesomeAll also defends freeloader625.
TheAwesomeAll sees the other 2 post freeloader did make
Sprungjeezy also suspects freeloader
Kurumi thinks freeloader is town
kurumi votes treadmill
kurumi accuses lafali 2 times
Igrok tries to temper kurumi just as Sprungjeezy
rookie44 makes a post with some questions
Benjef votes without posting
Pyo posts the first analysis
Benjef explains why he voted
Pyo says he's a noob
Ok, Now Kurumi. Bandwagoning is not seen as a mafia only trait. Town joins bandwagons just as easily. For now Freeloader625 would still be my main target. It would give us at this moment the most information about who will be scum and who not. If he would be town it gives us the info that the people who were defending him are likely town. Why would they defend him if they are mafia? Furthermore it would lay suspicion on the people who accused him in the first place. The chance that they are mafia in that case would be alot bigger. If he turns out scum we can pat ourselfs on the back and continue the game with somewhat of a lead.As a last thing to point out. If you are town don't be afraid to post a good analysis that is pointing out weak scum play. It will maybe get you killed but in the end it will help you win. And we all play to win rigt Bolded part is very misguided play. Lynching for information, especially on day 1, is very weak. Taking into account the context, lynching freeloader for information is even weaker. The chance that he's mafia is very low, and if he flips green we have no usable information. The underlined question is very very easy to answer. Mafia always defend townies that they think will get mislynched. Why wouldnt they? It gives them free town cred. All we would get by lynching freeloader for information is a likely dead green and a pile of WIFOM.
Well to me a small suspicion to lynch is always better than no suspicion. I'm not saying he is 100% mafia but at the moment i don't see any better alternatives. Do mind that we are also playing with new players so i don't think what you are suggesting is very probable.
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On June 06 2011 01:32 TheAwesomeAll wrote:DeMorcef thanks a lot, how do you check it? or do you just remember? + Show Spoiler +
1. Munk-E
2. blackone
amazingxkcd
6. teamsolid
8. Alderan
10. Drazerk has voted but not posted
15. TranceStorm
18. monsterDrakar
21. supersoft
23. Xedat
24. grush57
25. Date_Reaper
26. CjrNinja
33. Clicker
34. Kairo
36. gtrsrs
38. tdAdonis
40. GGQ
UPDATED LIST plz ignore the previous one, credits to morcerf <3
this list doesn't tell anything about the people on the list... Maybe they're just lurking like I was.
You can delete me from that list btw.
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