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i.e. "I know Karshe is lying about his role because I gave him ______" or "We may not want to lynch Karshe because I gave him the power to smite all those who voted for him." Of course that could lead to false claiming... | ||
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I don't think a mass claim will ever help town. If you know someone is lying about their role later on there's no reason you can't call them on it. Whoever gave me my role sure has a strange sense of humor. =P | ||
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On May 31 2011 05:58 Varpulis wrote: LAL is in effect. If lie, we kill you. Period. I support this. In a game that's already going to be crazy enough from the roles, there's no reason for townies to be lying. | ||
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So far I'm not convinced Mataza has done anything scummy yet. He made a strange move that could have been considered a blunder in SNMM and ended up being a townie getting lynched. So far my impression from him is that he's an active player that posts first and thinks later. No offense intended, Mataza! | ||
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On May 31 2011 12:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Hi, I know you don't know me and I don't know you. However you have yet to post anything meaningful or helpfully contribute in any way. You like one liners and playing the newb card. Please think constructively on relevant topics as opposed to randomly creating a green townie list, that serves no one in any helpful manner. As I said, I'm still getting caught up with everyone's posts, there is no need to be condescending. This is the biggest game I've played thus far so connecting everyone's posts to everyone's name and post history is something I'm still getting used to. I don't recall having made a green townie list thus far, my post was in direct response to Chaos asking what we thought about certain people. | ||
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As I have previously said, I was responding directly to Chaos' "What do you think about Mataza?" question... I'm not sure where the confusion is coming from after responding and giving my initial thoughts. | ||
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On May 31 2011 12:52 chaos13 wrote: BC is right. You were obviously caught up in the thread, because you were reading the latest posts. If you were catching up, you'd be halfway through. You were called out for lurking and showed up almost immediately after. I read through the majority of the thread before dinner, came back, hit refresh and responded to the "initial 5" list that you posted with my thoughts on Mataza because he is the only one I've had previous experience with so far. As for getting "caught up," I meant re-reading through the thread and collecting posts as to who good candidates may be. Clearly I shouldn't have posted before having the info ready because it resulted in this. | ||
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On May 31 2011 13:03 chaos13 wrote: I don't see where I asked Karshe his thoughts on Mataza. Mataza was on the list I created, as was Karshe. Perhaps he misinterpreted this. Karshe actually did read that his name was there though - he directly said He then went on to state his thoughts on Mataza, but none of the other players on the list with him (me, tnkted, varpulis, redFF). Because I couldn't name you two posts from any of them off the top of my head. I've been reading posts when possible and getting caught up now. Again, this is what I meant by getting "caught up." I've gone from a 12 person game with 5 pages a day to a 25 person game with 40 pages a day, so again, I'm still getting used to the whole process. | ||
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On May 31 2011 13:12 deskscaress wrote: yo Karshe, that's the third straight post that you've told us that you're not good at this game bro so i guess all i want to know is are you used to this much posting? or is this new to you? I'm not used to this much posting, thanks for asking! | ||
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No clue what this means... On May 31 2011 03:59 deskscaress wrote: day 2 rolls around and i will *vanish in a puff of smoke* ^not a hint to my role On May 31 2011 06:24 deskscaress wrote: i wanted to chime in that i'm also against a LAL policy. there are tons of cases where lying can help the town. especially in a game where no one knows any of the roles except for the one they created, you have NO IDEA if someone else could be lying to set up a master plan to help the town win or something. Endorsing lying doesn't really sit well with me this early on. On May 31 2011 06:24 deskscaress wrote: lastly, without wanting to give anything away, i feel like redFF, in that i don't think my role is going to play a huge role in the game. so i hope i can contribute via scumhunting and quality posts instead Great! I look forward to your in-depth analysis! On May 31 2011 06:37 deskscaress wrote: disagree. make your posts LONG and information-packed because this thread is quickly turning into a spam-fest. the more concise our posts the more posts we will have. make longer posts and spend more time on them so we have more to analyze instead Great! I look forward to your long and information-packed analysis! Here's your next post coming up: On May 31 2011 09:59 deskscaress wrote: ugh this thread moves wayyyy too fast for a day 1 thread. on the forum i host, our longest game was 30 pages (with ~30 players) for like a 7 day game and even then i was telling everyone they should be less spammy faggots and post more content. sooooooo many posts in this thread so far are just people parroting what other people say. can you stop posting if your post is going to contain 3 lines or less? it just makes it too easy for someone else to come in 3 pages later (when your post has already been forgotten) and say the exact same thing, like "EVERYONE NEEDS TO STOP MAKING LISTS HERP" which makes it look like they're contributing like aren't most of you vets? isn't this common knowledge already? ^also i know i look like a hypocrite by just parroting to stop parroting. herp. Wow, this is a fantastic contribution to our game. I'm sure glad you're so committed to in-depth and well thought out posts. Also, I find it amusing that later in the thread you berate me for mentioning the fast moving thread when you yourself have already complained about it. The second half of the above post involved dissecting RedFF's blunder which had already been a major talking point of the town. But, wait... you just said you're so anti-parroting. On May 31 2011 11:07 deskscaress wrote: i want to correct this, sorry. "ValpuriS" instead of Valpuris also +1 to everything that chaos reiterated and explained better than i did. redFF is super scummy to me right now Really? This is one of your famous non-spammy, quality posts? And here is the gem that really caught my eye and encouraged me to go take a look through your posts. On May 31 2011 16:06 deskscaress wrote: with all that in mind, if he IS an investigative role, and he flips mafia when he dies, i think we can clear at least these four people because he obviously wouldn't need to bump his mafia bros. of course we can't ACTUALLY clear them because WIFOM etc. but what if the stipulation is that he needs fistbumps from people of the opposite faction to get his thing to work? then can we clear them? yes. but obviously we won't know this info until later. Totally disagree with this. You don't know if it's an investigative role, unless Palmar told you in mafia PMs. For all we know Palmar could have a bro-fist deathray and it powers up after having 5 fistbumps. In which case, mafia would be more than obliged to fistbump him. I don't feel like we'll ever be able to clear anyone that has fistbumped Palmar even after learning his alignment, and I feel like this is mafia trying to give themselves an easy defense later. "But but... Palmar fistbumped me and he was mafia." | ||
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On June 01 2011 01:59 tnkted wrote: This is a crazy weak analysis. You just went through and picked the posts of his that seemed most scummy. Don't know what to tell you. A fair portion of his posts are "stop spamming," "stop parroting," and talking about his own quality posts but I'm seeing a lot of inconsistency. | ||
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On June 01 2011 02:46 deskscaress wrote: but now i want to turn around onto YOU, Karshe. i can't tell if you're tunneling me because you're bad (which you have made it quite clear that you feel that way about yourself in this topic), which would explain your half-assed analysis; or if you're tunneling me because i called you bad earlier in the topic. so what gives? I haven't tunneled you, I had a single post requesting some clarification which for now you have fulfilled. While reading through posts this morning I was looking for a major "huh?" or scum slip-up that I could then go back and dig deeper into post history for that single person. I did not understand your fist-bump post. As I said, it felt like you were trying to give mafia an easy out later in the game. | ||
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On June 01 2011 04:41 VisceraEyes wrote: FoS Sinani Sinani hasn't posted...like, ANYTHING. I'm literally picking up NO scum-reads at this point, and the analysis everyone else is posting is based on meta I'm not familiar with...so I'm going to pick on an inactive until something big happens. ##Vote sinani206 Vis, from playing our last game together I know you're more capable than this. I've already had my analysis called weak and noob-like, but at least I'm making an attempt to contribute. Poking an inactive is not what we need right now--we need you to use that delightful brain of yours! | ||
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On June 02 2011 01:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote: + Show Spoiler + Actually, I would. People would go "oh hes just a noob and bad" letting me hide an entire red team in plain sight. It also gives your team more thread control as your team is active. I know I am not everyone as well so I do get where you are going with that line of thought. However, you must also remember this, in alot of mafia games not everyone on the team communicates. Some players just do their own thing at the benefit or expense of their team. No helping a player like that As for it the list I posted. Its a group of people primarily revolving around thread derailers. I then gave a brief outline of why. Its day 1, going through the whole "lets quote every post they have to analyze" is pointless. You could snag a red that way but its far less likely. Someones actions are more likely to catch someone at this stage. They posted badly, and more importantly, detrimentally to town. A horrible townie who plays in opposition of his team can be as destructive as a mafia member. Read almost any game in it with billmurray as town and you will understand where I am coming from. I understand you disagree with me, but the move is far from scummy. Some of your posts have rubbed me the wrong way but this one I really don't understand. The first half--sure, that makes sense. It's completely feasible that a mafia could hide behind the noob shield and hope to coast to victory. The last paragraph, however, is what I'm not understanding. You can't have it both ways--either new townie players do their best to contribute and get accused of derailing or they fear posting and get accused of lurking. Of course the answer is "get/play better," and I would assume that is what they're trying to do. I can only speak for myself, of course. But I can say that you haven't exactly encouraged thoughtful play here. Attack the posts, not the player. It almost feels like you're trying to discourage newer/weaker members from posting. Why? One of my previous posts was raising my concerns in regards to Desk, which was waived off as a weak argument and largely ignored. Which is fine, I suppose, but I don't see why that would be labeled as derailing. I would rather look at players whose names haven't been brought up yet rather than bandwagon and vote for someone who already has 5+ votes. Which would you prefer as a follow townie? A noob townie looking for scum or a noob townie who doesn't post and/or is a sheep? Would you rather lynch a noob townie who you believe to be "derailing" or an inactive player? I'm not understanding your agenda. Another player who hasn't received much scrutiny yet is you, BloodyC0bbler. An example of this is GM voting for him as a throw away, "There's no way BC will be lynched tonight." One of your posts from earlier today began with: On June 01 2011 15:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote: How about we discuss people who are obviously derailing the town? How about we take a look at people who are obviously active yet not posting. People who come out when called, offer no actual substance and move on. There are numerous players in this game who are not being helpful. This is not to say they are all 100% mafia, but mafia benefit more than town from chaos. To me this is a scum trying to draw attention away from their active scum buddies. "Look at all those inactive scum that are hiding!" is what you're saying to me here, which I find highly suspicious. You have been very active, of course, but I question how much you've actually been helping find scum. Your big claim to fame I would say was your list here: + Show Spoiler + On June 01 2011 16:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Varpulis + Show Spoiler + -pushes anti town plans - wants to lynch all liars -attempts to undermine town plans -spends way to much time on ambers role -brings up GM’s first question post which was not town oriented. Uses to confirm GM as town -answers GM’s last questionnaire which was not town oriented Hiro protagonist + Show Spoiler + -blindly agrees with almost everything vets say/far too sheepish -spends too much time on keeping conversation around ambers role -after town has moved on from ambers role attempts to drag conversation back to it - Tackster -Multiple cases again him in thread already, see those. prplhz + Show Spoiler + -wants LaL when it was agreed it doesn’t work in this setup -sheeps kita, sandroba and possibly others who are being pressured strongly at any one time -aggressive posting while offering no substance -defends tackstar, who barely has any heat on -answers gm’s questionnaire which was not pro town -says if tackstar is innocent sand is scum (no way of knowing this) -refuses to justify his read on sandroba(sheeping) while defending tackstar far too much for day 1 Rean + Show Spoiler + -relatively inactive -attempts to bring ambers role back up as town is moving on -sums up information already said. bartundar -inactive as hell for a vet and offers nothing substantive but rehashing things we have stopped talking about But I question how much this actually helped. It's a large list, sure, but the majority of it is inactive players or people who had already had multiple cases brought up against them. Unfortunately my activity will be low again today, workload is high and time is short. I will do my best to be more active than yesterday and post again before the vote today. My vote for now, however, ##Vote: BloodyC0bbler | ||
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I'm a day late but it's a bummer of what happened to BC. That said, I do not support any plan designed to bring him back into the game. As others have said, there is a lot that can go wrong with that plan, and his power is only mediocre (can potentially save mafia, loses his power completely if Bum dies). Obviously having a 100% confirmed towny would be a great asset for us, hopefully we will get more information on some alignments after tonight. I am most suspicious of Varpulis at the moment, but Palmar has just written a great write up of him which I completely agree with. So, for the sake of time, I will sheep instead of parrot and give Palmar a thumbs up (but not a fistpound, sorry bro.) I realize this makes a terrible townie, but this has been a busy week, so time-wise there's not a whole lot I can provide at the moment. On my lunch I will be going over yesterdays posts to see if I find anything that hasn't been brought up yet. | ||
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What Wiggles is saying is not totally unreasonable given the roles in this game. Even despite my hesitation I think the town's best bet is unfortunately to sac you, Wiggles, and see how you flip. If you flip green like you say you will, I think we will have a lot of information to go on and my number one suspect will be our favorite fist pounder, Palmar. Saying you're the "greenest bro here" is quite an overstatement. Just because you told us how your role works doesn't mean we can trust you. Palmar, what do you think our next move should be IF Wiggles flips green? Hopefully I'm worrying over nothing, Wiggles will flip red, and all will be well in the world. | ||
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Here's the list from Rean that you were talking about, it's on Page 75. + Show Spoiler + On June 03 2011 07:03 Rean wrote: A quick list of dead roles/last will etc so far, will update with claimed stuff and other information that has been claimed in the thread in a bit
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##Vote: Mr.Wiggles We can't spend the entire rest of the game unsure if you are lying about your alignment and being the victim of a bus and run, hopefully you understand. Your death should help the town no matter what you flip. | ||
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As of now, my vote will most likely be going to Torte de Lini. Here's the thing, Torte. I admittedly have not been a helpful townie because I haven't been online. You, however, have been online fairly consistently but have your posting restriction. Due to the restriction, each of your posts should be concise and as helpful to the town as possible... but I haven't seen much of either from you. I could pull some of your posting history but there's really no need. On Night 1 I was wanting Kurumi dead... I was sure he was scum, and his posts were annoying to boot. However, I am definitely believing him over Bum. I don't know if Bum is a godfather, but he's definitely scum. | ||
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On June 07 2011 03:13 Jackal58 wrote: Easy. You state you don't want to vote for him but you are going to anyways. If he flips town you point back and say "See I didn't really want to vote for him" Scum tactic used by scum. If you don't want to vote for him because of the reasons listed why are you? Because you are scum that's why. Are you even reading my posts? I already stated why I am voting Torte. This post of yours: On June 07 2011 02:56 Jackal58 wrote: I would suspect him to be scum simply by the way the alignments appear to be fitting the roles we all wrote. However that is going on the assumption that his role is a role blocker type. I don't have enough info to say with any certainty what he is though. Role or alignment. Other than his limited posting I have seen nothing condemnation worthy from him. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Is complete crap, bolded for emphasis. You can't suspect someone just because of the way the host handed out roles. | ||
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On June 07 2011 03:39 Kurumi wrote: If You're day vig shot Bum so we can lynch Palmar safely,or the other way around. I'm not a day vig unfortunately. | ||
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I don't remember Kenpachi claiming anything. | ||
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On June 07 2011 06:15 Mataza wrote: If DB passively killed Meapak, Kurumi shot Kita and Palmar shot chaos13, then it doesn´t mean that one of them is lying. Not automatically Mafias hit was maybe rescued. Or maybe Mafia used their teamkp on someone who is bulletproof. And if said bulletproof person is 3rd party they wouldn´t claim. Especially if they already have claimed their actual role. Also there is the chance someone got hit and doesn´t claim because he isn´t aware that he should. I would still like to hear from Karshe, do you really have KP? We can´t let KP run around freely. I haven't killed anyone, and if I had KP I'm not sure I'd disclose it at this point. | ||
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I do have KP and I am the reason that Mataza has a bomb strapped to him. I am able to plant a bomb at night and they take 48 hours (after the next lynch) to detonate. I don't feel at risk claiming since there are others who have stronger KP than I do. On Night 1 I attemped to plant a bomb on Varpulis, but when I arrived he was already dead (per our host) and I got my bomb refunded back to me. I don't know if this counts as "visiting" him, but I asked Dec if I lost my bomb and he said no, I kept it since my target had already been killed. I started with 2 bombs and only have 1 left now (after Mataza). "Why Mataza?" I felt like Bum is an easy lynch, and I felt confident that Torte is scum and will be dying soon. I wanted to target another person I felt to be scum. I chose someone's role who is still alive and hasn't claimed yet. Been waiting for them to claim to see if they're truthful. | ||
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On June 07 2011 07:33 redFF wrote: I know Palmar is dumb, but saying bumatlarge is not the right lynch is stupid. We lynch Bumatlarge, we make Palmar shoot TDL. Karshe bombs TDL too so we have a backup in case Palmar doesn't listen. TDL not dead in the morning=lynching Palmar. I would like any medic roles on Karshe so his bomb gets off. There simple imo. This sounds like a good plan to me. If we both target TDL they shouldn't be able to stop both of us, unless Kurumi interferes. | ||
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On June 07 2011 07:48 Eternalmisfit wrote: Wtf does this post? When did Bum kill Sinani? Did I step through a time machine or did you return from the future? I had almost these exact same questions but didn't feel inclined to defend Bum. The only thing I can think of is with BC died and The Joker's info was in Batman's role description, and that info is still in the post. I went back through the day/night posts and found nothing else. | ||
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On the subject of roles, my person still has yet to claim. I believe Node made my role based off of what he said when he died. ##Vote: Bumatlarge | ||
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On June 08 2011 01:06 Jackal58 wrote: Does that mean he chose wrong? Or does that mean Mataza is scum? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() We should be finding out in a few hours! I am still hoping Mataza is scum, but to be totally truthful, I am less confident than I was when I planted. =\ | ||
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On June 08 2011 02:20 GMarshal wrote: Both are scum. One gives them a kp for the night, the other doesn't. This is what's sitting in my head at the moment as well... if we're set on killing Palmar with my bomb anyway, why wait through the night and allow him another killshot? | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote: Palmar Reasoning: We want both Bum and Palmar to die, there's no reason to let Palmar live through the night and risk him killing another townie. I will plant my bomb on Bum who seems just as scummy, but less risk. | ||
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On June 08 2011 02:42 Kurumi wrote: Bum is not SK,he never killed You morons. HE LOST HIS POWERS AFTER BATMAN DIED! So you're just guessing the role description? If Joker dies, Batman has no more reason to fight crime. If Batman dies, Joker is free to rule the town and kill whoever he pleases. I am not convinced Joker lost his powers. | ||
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If we lynch Palmar, mafia loses a KP. Why are you people voting Bum still... | ||
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That's the problem. We can't "control" Palmar's shot. | ||
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Palmar killed a townie, who ended up being the mole. Palmar took advantage of the situation and claimed the kill, proclaiming himself to be the "greenest bro here." | ||
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On June 08 2011 05:29 Mig wrote: Em what do you think about palmar not knowing what Varps role was before killing him? Or how about this last minute vote switch away from a confirmed non town? If you vote palmar now you should be confident that red is also scum, it is the only way that really makes sense to me. You weren't asking me, but I just wanted to respond and say I don't agree that Palmar and Red are linked. Also, in case you missed it, I responded to your earlier comment about the vote switch: On June 08 2011 05:15 Karshe wrote: You are presenting no new information, Mig. Palmar killed a townie, who ended up being the mole. Palmar took advantage of the situation and claimed the kill, proclaiming himself to be the "greenest bro here." He may have also simply feared a tracker. If Varp hadn't of flipped mole, Palmar could have just said "Whoops sorry, I thought he was scum. I'll do better next time." Which is a bit ironic since that will most likely be my only defense if Mataza flips green. But I'm just saying, Palmar shooting Varp while not knowing he is the mole should NOT clear Palmar. | ||
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On June 08 2011 05:48 Mig wrote: That's all I asked was whether you were confident red was also mafia. Personally I think you are completely wrong but if palmar flips scum then red should be killed immediately. Karshe of course red and palmar are linked wtf? Or is it the new mafia metagame for them to kill their most powerful members n1 just to buy town cred? Do you guys really think mafia would kill their mole unless they knew how strong Varps role was? I will go back and read Red's posts in reference to Palmar. Yes, I think it's completely possible that mafia would bus their mole, since they didn't know his role. As GM has already stated, Palmar bussed Hiro in the previous game. Especially since Varp was already under suspicion--I tried killing him with a bomb because I believed him to be scum. It turned out I was wrong, but I was not the only one to suspect Varp. | ||
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No dramatic "if I die tonight..." posts? | ||
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Dec, were there any bombs found? | ||
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Welcome back. Here's your chance for redemption! | ||
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On June 09 2011 06:03 deconduo wrote: I knew I forgot something. A bomb has been placed on bumatlarge, it will explode in 48 hours. Thanks for confirmation, wasn't sure if I had gotten roleblocked. | ||
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Here is what I posted in regards to the lists: On June 09 2011 06:47 Karshe wrote: I would also recommend Hiro at this point since he is on both lists. It would seem to make sense... Hiro is the single mafia on Day 1 list, and Hiro and Bum are the two mafia on Day 2 list. TDL would be the missing mafia. | ||
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Bumatlarge Hiro protagonist Mr.Wiggles Torte de Lini Varpulis the mole | ||
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On June 09 2011 07:16 redFF wrote: Why inspect Hiro? If he comes back Scum Barundar is town Everyone else on Palmar's vote list is confirmed not scum (Kurumi still black obviously) If he come back Town Barundar is Mafia 1 of Gm, Jackal, Cthasza, Karshe is Scum (likely Gm or Jackal) This seems really spot on. I believe Cthsazsa to be town as well. Based off his posting, and I gave him his role. The fact that he hasn't claimed any part of it yet makes me feel he is pro-town. I want to trust GM, but after the whole Palmar thing which he himself admitted he pretty much spear-headed... I'm not as sure. | ||
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On June 09 2011 08:06 hiro protagonist wrote: This needs to be talked about more. We can not leave it to chance that bum will die. I think we should lynch him NOW. He should have been the last lynch. towns got plenty of KP that can be put on people likely to die from it. we got Palmar. Letws Lynch Bum Scum damage control? Trying to only lose one buddy instead of two? | ||
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I think we need to check, or preferably kill, hiro protagonist. He is on both voting lists from Day 1/2... and regardless, his posting the last day or so has been pretty scummy. Why is bum's role redacted in the night post? I was curious to see if he was as overpowered as batman. | ||
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On June 09 2011 06:34 Eternalmisfit wrote: Palmar bumatlarge Eternalmisfit Kurumi Jackal58 Karshe GMarshal Amber[LighT] Cthsazsa Rean hiro protagonist Day2 vote: 2/10 are scum VisceraEyes Eternalmisfit Barundar hiro protagonist Kurumi Day1 vote: 1/4 are scum Based off of VisceraEyes' vote list, we now know Barundar is mafia. ##Vote: Barundar Palmar's vote list has some more investigating needed, obviously. I'm most weary of GM at the moment (not including Barundar). Hopefully our dog will have some more info for us? | ||
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On June 11 2011 07:33 Rean wrote: Palmar lynch bumatlarge Eternalmisfit Kurumi Jackal58 Karshe GMarshal Amber[LighT] Cthsazsa Rean Yes, I inspected Jackal, I just said i'd inspect Amber to avoid possible framer shenanigans. He returned black on the inspect. Barundar is also the only one on the visceraeyes lynch left unaccounted for, making him mafia. ##Vote: Barundar This makes me even more uneasy of GMarshal, since Cthsazsa, Amber, and myself have all been considered pro-town for most of the game. | ||
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On June 11 2011 07:55 Jackal58 wrote: Makes me uneasy of Rean. We either have a framer role or he's scum. I couldn't remember why Rean's name was in confirmed green, but didn't want to question it and make it look like I was trying to discredit a DT... | ||
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So we either need to lynch Barundar, or figure out who his accomplice is. | ||
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Unfortunately you've targeted the wrong person because I am town. I'm not going to do a quote by quote response, but I will respond to your main concerns. GMarshal Why am I becoming increasingly suspicious of him? Because everything I've heard about this guy is that he's a great player and a huge asset to town. I wouldn't say he hasn't been helping town, but he hasn't been an overly active poster, either. And certainly not a town leader. There is, of course, the whole Palmar lynch in which he totally convinced me to switch from Bum to Palmar. He himself stated that he essentially spear-headed the Palmar lynch. Granted, I ultimately take responsibility for switching my own vote... but I switched because what GMarshal was saying made sense. He is very persuasive. You also seem to think that because GM got roleblocked by Torte that this clears GM. I disagree. GM does not have an overpowered role. Given GM's knowledge of the game, I would not put it past him to intentionally get himself roleblocked to have an alibi later in the game. Bombing Mataza I have played two games with Mataza now and in both games I felt he was very hard to read. His playstyle is so erratic and at times hard to follow that even if he IS town, he is still causing confusion and attention with drastic "pro-town" planning. I stand by my decision to bomb him, when I sent in my night action I was confident he was mafia. Hiro's death To be honest, I'm still surprised Hiro was not mafia. At the time of discussing who should be next to die, I didn't bother doing a mass quote of Hiro's posts because it just seemed like an easy piece of the puzzle that fit in given the lists we had. Clearly this was a mistake. Ultimately, Hiro's failure to really defend himself is why I was confident in my choice. He basically said, "lol, well I'm town, so let's figure out who else is actually mafia." And that was it. It felt like he had given up, as Torte had done before him. This point of yours doesn't make sense: On June 11 2011 15:34 Cthsazsa wrote: Of course, you would preferably kill Hiro. This dude's an easy target and doesn't even defend himself. Because at the time I suggested killing Hiro, Hiro hadn't gotten the chance to "be an easy target" or defend himself yet. Are you suggesting I am psychic and knew Hiro would give up? Lynching Jackal since he has a vest (we're assuming), and having Palmar shoot Barundar seems to make the most sense. This will give us an extra day to rip apart each other's posts and if we're some how lucky, give Rean another day to work his magic. I can not agree to be shot or lynched for town information because I know I am town. So, if it's a situation like, "killing Karshe will clear the dog," as you suggest... I could not agree to that because as a townie, it makes more sense to kill the dog to clear myself. That said, according to your list, killing me will not clear Amber because you are on that list as well. | ||
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On June 11 2011 18:27 stefftastiq wrote: Yeah, I got some information - the crazy cat lady has chosen GMarshal I wrote Cthsazsa's role (cat lady), and the way I wrote it, he doesn't "chose" people until a certain action happens, which has not happened yet. So either he a) sent his action in advance before necessary or b) our host changed his role without telling me. If he's town, and it's some sort of tracking or KP, why wouldn't he put it on me? He seems to believe I am mafia over GMarshal. I still think we should lynch Jackal since we don't know how much night protection he has, but I'm also good with lynching the confirmed Barundar. | ||
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All he can do is quote posts. | ||
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I still believe Cthsazsa is town, so unless he's willing to use his power (doubtful), I would suggest killing GMarshal or Amber. Cthsazsa seems confident that GM is third party. I don't know what Amber's exact role is, so I don't know how much it has been helping us this game. And if we continue to bring Amber with us, he's just going to keep flying under the radar because he is essentially unreadable except for voting patterns. | ||
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On June 12 2011 07:09 Rean wrote: 1. Yes, I do think Karshe's town. I created his role and his use of it has seemed pro-town so far. His third bomb is slightly wasted as he could have used it better but i'll forgive him since he's just a newbie. Sorry Rean, I thought about how to use it to try and gain information but I was hesitant to plant it on someone scummy because I didn't want to draw town attention away from them, i.e. "Oh we don't need to lynch Barundar since he's going to explode anyway." And I feared putting it on anyone else would make me look too suspicious and get me lynched. | ||
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On June 13 2011 06:24 Palmar wrote: I know amber's role, so building a case against him is easy after tonight, if the need arises. Palmar, has Amber's role been actively helping town? (I'm guessing I know what his role is but I could be wrong...). | ||
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@GM, why do you believe DB is mafia by claiming PGO? On one of the first days, when he wasn't under suspicion yet, didn't he warn the town not to visit him? Your case against DB seems pretty sound, but I don't want a Palmar round 2 to happen. | ||
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One thing I noticed when Cthsazsa was rallying against me, DropBear and redFF were the only two people to really defend me and say "No, Karshe is definitely town." I made a mental note of it because I wasn't sure I wanted to be associated with them later down the line because both of them were unknowns to the town. | ||
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On June 16 2011 07:38 Palmar wrote: if redFF was scum, why did he out your role, when you were a likely candidate for lynch/kill I don't think he had a choice. GM stated in his post that Red just found out his role and should be posting it shortly. | ||
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On June 16 2011 07:35 Palmar wrote: Also, Cthazha has two pretty town looking actions on his record. a) he claimed creating wiggles's role. if this is true he's almost definitely not mafia. b) he planted a bomb on hiro, information that then got leaked through stefftastiq. Remember, this is when everyone agreed that hiro was likely scum. I don't remember this at all, are you sure? Cthsazsa is a zombie, he doesn't have any bombs (that was me, but I'm out of ammo). | ||
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On June 16 2011 07:40 Palmar wrote: And why shouldn't I just shoot you Karshe? Because I'm town, and I'm just a green townie at this point... unless you count being able to rick roll people. I still have plenty of those. I'm not going to claim that bombing Bum should make me auto-town, since admittedly it would have made me look suspicious if I didn't bomb him. Just keep in mind I could have claimed role block or several other reasons for a bomb not going through. I have been flying under the radar for a majority of the game, which could be seen as suspicious... but in the end, I am not a threat to the town. | ||
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Tonight: Shoot Cthsazsa Day: Lynch someone (most likely redFF or Karshe) Night: Cthsazsa and Palmar both get a KP I'm not sure why I worded his role that way, it's kind of stupid... but too late now. | ||
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On June 16 2011 08:16 Palmar wrote: well he's not getting shot tonight, as the vote-lists exclude anyone but redFF. That sounds good, the votelist information wasn't in the thread when I started my post. | ||
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Based off of redFF's role, GMarshal could have gotten 25% lucky and falsified a Miller claim, knowing it was his best way to take the heat off. It's a stretch, but it's definitely possible. | ||
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Palmar, what reasons do you have for trusting Cthsazsa? I will not volunteer myself to be shot because I am town and it's the wrong choice... but our list of suspects is dwindling. | ||
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Sorry, I don't really see where you're going with this. On June 17 2011 06:41 Cthsazsa wrote: Ninja'd. ##Fistbump Palmar Karshe what reasons do have to not trust me? I swear it almost seems like you're not even reading the thread. You hardly post anything and when you do post it contains nothing valuable to town. I'm not ruling out GM as a possibility but I'm more towards steff or Karshe as the remaining scum. Both have been lurking considerably and hardly helping Town at all, whereas GM is actually contributing. Number of posts =/= alignment, as I'm sure you realize. Just because I haven't been posting page long PBP's every day and because GM has been more active than me doesn't mean I'm scum and GMarshal is town. Speaking of posting habits, going back through the last 10 pages, Steff's posting has become much more scarce ever since he has been "confirmed" town. I am very curious to see what his role provided last night. I'm guessing it's going to be something we already knew. | ||
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![]() I was going to have different cats do different things, i.e. a tracker cat, a cat that can absorb a hit for you, etc, but I thought it would be too much and rejected by host. This, of course, was before I saw some of the other roles. I'll definitely be more creative in a similar game type in the future. | ||
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You are the Crazy Cat Lady. You love your cats so much that not even death can keep you apart! You must be so happy. If you are ever slain during the game, the following night of your death your ghost comes back to collect your "children" to take to the after life. Oh, and while you're back, you get to kill any single person of your choosing. This ability goes through all protection--no one can withstand the wrath of the Crazy Cat Lady. | ||
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I would just suggest lynching Steff before me, since I know I am town and I'm unsure about Steff. | ||
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On June 17 2011 07:43 Karshe wrote: Anyway, back on topic... it's pretty hard to argue against GMarshal's role. I don't see anything obvious that could go wrong with it. I would just suggest lynching Steff before me, since I know I am town and I'm unsure about Steff. Sorry, EBWOP: Anyway, back on topic... it's pretty hard to argue against GMarshal's plan. | ||
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You're grasping at straws GM, Cthsazsa does not have a "shot." His role that *I* wrote specifically says it goes through all forms of protection. That said, I am still fine with switching over to Steff because I think he is most likely to be mafia. But decide quick, I'm leaving the house in 10 minutes. | ||
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The only thing I found odd was the night he chose GMarshal, before Cthsazsa was even dead. And there were two nights in a row where Amber protected GM. | ||
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If you can convince one other person to switch over too, GM, well done. | ||
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Ok, leaving for real now, I'm late. GM, you're either taking this game way too personally, or putting on quite a masterful performance. | ||
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One thing I wasn't sure about when I casted my final vote. First it was 4 on GM, 2 on Steff. I voted for GM. Then before I had to leave, I switched off of GM, 3 on GM and 3 on Steff. I made GM and Steff reach 3 votes at the same time. Why was GM considered first to reach 3 votes? | ||
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When I woke up this morning, Steff was the first to reach 3 votes, and GMarshal had 3 votes. Then I changed my vote to GMarshal. Gmarshal had 4 votes, Steff had 2 votes. Then I changed my vote again, GMarshal and Steff both had 3 votes. Was GMarshal lynched since he had gotten up to 4 votes at one point? Again, I made both players reach 3 votes at the same time. | ||
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You played well too Palmar, despite what others may say. I wouldn't envy being the only townie with a KP left with a bunch of "veterans" heckling you. | ||
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So I take it you got lucky with redFF's interrogation and were able to lie about your role? Very lucky, haha. | ||
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