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Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
May 27 2011 19:53 GMT
#5
In, please!
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
May 30 2011 01:46 GMT
#152
Also, at any point in the game will you be allowed to claim someone else's role?

i.e. "I know Karshe is lying about his role because I gave him ______"

or

"We may not want to lynch Karshe because I gave him the power to smite all those who voted for him."

Of course that could lead to false claiming...
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
May 30 2011 20:52 GMT
#290
Wow this thread is moving fast compared to SNMM, I love it!

I don't think a mass claim will ever help town. If you know someone is lying about their role later on there's no reason you can't call them on it.

Whoever gave me my role sure has a strange sense of humor. =P
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
May 30 2011 21:00 GMT
#303
On May 31 2011 05:58 Varpulis wrote:
LAL is in effect. If lie, we kill you. Period.


I support this. In a game that's already going to be crazy enough from the roles, there's no reason for townies to be lying.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
May 30 2011 21:18 GMT
#343
Hahahaha, this game is already cracking me up. Whoever gave him the dog role, assuming he is not trolling, is my hero.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
May 30 2011 23:16 GMT
#450
As a newer player I don't understand the purpose of the zodiac lists. Every game is different. Everyone should be under the same level of scrutiny, right?

Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
May 31 2011 03:35 GMT
#599
I'm not lurking, I'm in the middle of getting caught up with everything. My other game (SNMM2) went 35 pages for the entire game, so this has been a bit overwhelming, lol.

So far I'm not convinced Mataza has done anything scummy yet. He made a strange move that could have been considered a blunder in SNMM and ended up being a townie getting lynched. So far my impression from him is that he's an active player that posts first and thinks later. No offense intended, Mataza!

Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
May 31 2011 03:43 GMT
#604
On May 31 2011 12:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 12:35 Karshe wrote:
I'm not lurking, I'm in the middle of getting caught up with everything. My other game (SNMM2) went 35 pages for the entire game, so this has been a bit overwhelming, lol.

So far I'm not convinced Mataza has done anything scummy yet. He made a strange move that could have been considered a blunder in SNMM and ended up being a townie getting lynched. So far my impression from him is that he's an active player that posts first and thinks later. No offense intended, Mataza!


Hi, I know you don't know me and I don't know you. However you have yet to post anything meaningful or helpfully contribute in any way. You like one liners and playing the newb card. Please think constructively on relevant topics as opposed to randomly creating a green townie list, that serves no one in any helpful manner.


As I said, I'm still getting caught up with everyone's posts, there is no need to be condescending. This is the biggest game I've played thus far so connecting everyone's posts to everyone's name and post history is something I'm still getting used to. I don't recall having made a green townie list thus far, my post was in direct response to Chaos asking what we thought about certain people.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
May 31 2011 03:57 GMT
#608
Of course my play is off, I'm new to the game. Call it playing the "noob card" if you will, but I'd rather get lynched for being an active noob than an inactive lurker, which we currently have plenty of.

As I have previously said, I was responding directly to Chaos' "What do you think about Mataza?" question... I'm not sure where the confusion is coming from after responding and giving my initial thoughts.

Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
May 31 2011 04:02 GMT
#610
On May 31 2011 12:52 chaos13 wrote:
BC is right. You were obviously caught up in the thread, because you were reading the latest posts. If you were catching up, you'd be halfway through. You were called out for lurking and showed up almost immediately after.


I read through the majority of the thread before dinner, came back, hit refresh and responded to the "initial 5" list that you posted with my thoughts on Mataza because he is the only one I've had previous experience with so far.

As for getting "caught up," I meant re-reading through the thread and collecting posts as to who good candidates may be. Clearly I shouldn't have posted before having the info ready because it resulted in this.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
May 31 2011 04:08 GMT
#613
On May 31 2011 13:03 chaos13 wrote:
I don't see where I asked Karshe his thoughts on Mataza. Mataza was on the list I created, as was Karshe. Perhaps he misinterpreted this.
Karshe actually did read that his name was there though - he directly said
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On May 31 2011 12:35 Karshe wrote:
I'm not lurking, I'm in the middle of getting caught up with everything. My other game (SNMM2) went 35 pages for the entire game, so this has been a bit overwhelming, lol.

He then went on to state his thoughts on Mataza, but none of the other players on the list with him (me, tnkted, varpulis, redFF).


Because I couldn't name you two posts from any of them off the top of my head. I've been reading posts when possible and getting caught up now. Again, this is what I meant by getting "caught up." I've gone from a 12 person game with 5 pages a day to a 25 person game with 40 pages a day, so again, I'm still getting used to the whole process.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
May 31 2011 04:13 GMT
#615
On May 31 2011 13:12 deskscaress wrote:
yo Karshe, that's the third straight post that you've told us that you're not good at this game bro

so i guess all i want to know is

are you used to this much posting? or is this new to you?


I'm not used to this much posting, thanks for asking!
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
May 31 2011 16:11 GMT
#722
I would like to hear more from Deskscaress, having read through his posts this morning.

No clue what this means...

On May 31 2011 03:59 deskscaress wrote:
day 2 rolls around and i will *vanish in a puff of smoke*

^not a hint to my role


On May 31 2011 06:24 deskscaress wrote:
i wanted to chime in that i'm also against a LAL policy. there are tons of cases where lying can help the town. especially in a game where no one knows any of the roles except for the one they created, you have NO IDEA if someone else could be lying to set up a master plan to help the town win or something.


Endorsing lying doesn't really sit well with me this early on.

On May 31 2011 06:24 deskscaress wrote:
lastly, without wanting to give anything away, i feel like redFF, in that i don't think my role is going to play a huge role in the game. so i hope i can contribute via scumhunting and quality posts instead


Great! I look forward to your in-depth analysis!

On May 31 2011 06:37 deskscaress wrote:
disagree.

make your posts LONG and information-packed because this thread is quickly turning into a spam-fest. the more concise our posts the more posts we will have. make longer posts and spend more time on them so we have more to analyze instead


Great! I look forward to your long and information-packed analysis!

Here's your next post coming up:

On May 31 2011 09:59 deskscaress wrote:
ugh this thread moves wayyyy too fast for a day 1 thread.
on the forum i host, our longest game was 30 pages (with ~30 players) for like a 7 day game and even then i was telling everyone they should be less spammy faggots and post more content.

sooooooo many posts in this thread so far are just people parroting what other people say. can you stop posting if your post is going to contain 3 lines or less? it just makes it too easy for someone else to come in 3 pages later (when your post has already been forgotten) and say the exact same thing, like "EVERYONE NEEDS TO STOP MAKING LISTS HERP" which makes it look like they're contributing

like aren't most of you vets? isn't this common knowledge already?
^also i know i look like a hypocrite by just parroting to stop parroting. herp.


Wow, this is a fantastic contribution to our game. I'm sure glad you're so committed to in-depth and well thought out posts. Also, I find it amusing that later in the thread you berate me for mentioning the fast moving thread when you yourself have already complained about it.

The second half of the above post involved dissecting RedFF's blunder which had already been a major talking point of the town. But, wait... you just said you're so anti-parroting.

On May 31 2011 11:07 deskscaress wrote:
i want to correct this, sorry. "ValpuriS" instead of Valpuris


also +1 to everything that chaos reiterated and explained better than i did. redFF is super scummy to me right now


Really? This is one of your famous non-spammy, quality posts?

And here is the gem that really caught my eye and encouraged me to go take a look through your posts.

On May 31 2011 16:06 deskscaress wrote:
with all that in mind, if he IS an investigative role, and he flips mafia when he dies, i think we can clear at least these four people because he obviously wouldn't need to bump his mafia bros. of course we can't ACTUALLY clear them because WIFOM etc.

but what if the stipulation is that he needs fistbumps from people of the opposite faction to get his thing to work? then can we clear them? yes. but obviously we won't know this info until later.


Totally disagree with this. You don't know if it's an investigative role, unless Palmar told you in mafia PMs. For all we know Palmar could have a bro-fist deathray and it powers up after having 5 fistbumps. In which case, mafia would be more than obliged to fistbump him. I don't feel like we'll ever be able to clear anyone that has fistbumped Palmar even after learning his alignment, and I feel like this is mafia trying to give themselves an easy defense later. "But but... Palmar fistbumped me and he was mafia."




Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
May 31 2011 17:42 GMT
#733
On June 01 2011 01:59 tnkted wrote:
This is a crazy weak analysis. You just went through and picked the posts of his that seemed most scummy.


Don't know what to tell you. A fair portion of his posts are "stop spamming," "stop parroting," and talking about his own quality posts but I'm seeing a lot of inconsistency.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
May 31 2011 17:55 GMT
#735
On June 01 2011 02:46 deskscaress wrote:
but now i want to turn around onto YOU, Karshe. i can't tell if you're tunneling me because you're bad (which you have made it quite clear that you feel that way about yourself in this topic), which would explain your half-assed analysis; or if you're tunneling me because i called you bad earlier in the topic. so what gives?


I haven't tunneled you, I had a single post requesting some clarification which for now you have fulfilled. While reading through posts this morning I was looking for a major "huh?" or scum slip-up that I could then go back and dig deeper into post history for that single person. I did not understand your fist-bump post. As I said, it felt like you were trying to give mafia an easy out later in the game.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
May 31 2011 20:23 GMT
#752
Wait, 1.5 hours until deadline? You're sure? How long until votes are due?

Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
May 31 2011 20:25 GMT
#754
On June 01 2011 04:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
FoS Sinani

Sinani hasn't posted...like, ANYTHING. I'm literally picking up NO scum-reads at this point, and the analysis everyone else is posting is based on meta I'm not familiar with...so I'm going to pick on an inactive until something big happens.

##Vote sinani206


Vis, from playing our last game together I know you're more capable than this. I've already had my analysis called weak and noob-like, but at least I'm making an attempt to contribute. Poking an inactive is not what we need right now--we need you to use that delightful brain of yours!
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 01 2011 17:42 GMT
#1061
On June 02 2011 01:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:

+ Show Spoiler +

Actually, I would. People would go "oh hes just a noob and bad" letting me hide an entire red team in plain sight. It also gives your team more thread control as your team is active. I know I am not everyone as well so I do get where you are going with that line of thought. However, you must also remember this, in alot of mafia games not everyone on the team communicates. Some players just do their own thing at the benefit or expense of their team. No helping a player like that

As for it the list I posted. Its a group of people primarily revolving around thread derailers. I then gave a brief outline of why. Its day 1, going through the whole "lets quote every post they have to analyze" is pointless. You could snag a red that way but its far less likely. Someones actions are more likely to catch someone at this stage.

They posted badly, and more importantly, detrimentally to town. A horrible townie who plays in opposition of his team can be as destructive as a mafia member. Read almost any game in it with billmurray as town and you will understand where I am coming from. I understand you disagree with me, but the move is far from scummy.



Some of your posts have rubbed me the wrong way but this one I really don't understand.

The first half--sure, that makes sense. It's completely feasible that a mafia could hide behind the noob shield and hope to coast to victory.

The last paragraph, however, is what I'm not understanding. You can't have it both ways--either new townie players do their best to contribute and get accused of derailing or they fear posting and get accused of lurking. Of course the answer is "get/play better," and I would assume that is what they're trying to do. I can only speak for myself, of course. But I can say that you haven't exactly encouraged thoughtful play here. Attack the posts, not the player. It almost feels like you're trying to discourage newer/weaker members from posting. Why?

One of my previous posts was raising my concerns in regards to Desk, which was waived off as a weak argument and largely ignored. Which is fine, I suppose, but I don't see why that would be labeled as derailing. I would rather look at players whose names haven't been brought up yet rather than bandwagon and vote for someone who already has 5+ votes. Which would you prefer as a follow townie? A noob townie looking for scum or a noob townie who doesn't post and/or is a sheep? Would you rather lynch a noob townie who you believe to be "derailing" or an inactive player? I'm not understanding your agenda.

Another player who hasn't received much scrutiny yet is you, BloodyC0bbler. An example of this is GM voting for him as a throw away, "There's no way BC will be lynched tonight."

One of your posts from earlier today began with:

On June 01 2011 15:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
How about we discuss people who are obviously derailing the town? How about we take a look at people who are obviously active yet not posting. People who come out when called, offer no actual substance and move on. There are numerous players in this game who are not being helpful. This is not to say they are all 100% mafia, but mafia benefit more than town from chaos.


To me this is a scum trying to draw attention away from their active scum buddies. "Look at all those inactive scum that are hiding!" is what you're saying to me here, which I find highly suspicious. You have been very active, of course, but I question how much you've actually been helping find scum.

Your big claim to fame I would say was your list here:

+ Show Spoiler +

On June 01 2011 16:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Varpulis
+ Show Spoiler +

-pushes anti town plans
- wants to lynch all liars
-attempts to undermine town plans
-spends way to much time on ambers role
-brings up GM’s first question post which was not town oriented. Uses to confirm GM as town
-answers GM’s last questionnaire which was not town oriented


Hiro protagonist
+ Show Spoiler +

-blindly agrees with almost everything vets say/far too sheepish
-spends too much time on keeping conversation around ambers role
-after town has moved on from ambers role attempts to drag conversation back to it
-


Tackster
-Multiple cases again him in thread already, see those.


prplhz
+ Show Spoiler +

-wants LaL when it was agreed it doesn’t work in this setup
-sheeps kita, sandroba and possibly others who are being pressured strongly at any one time
-aggressive posting while offering no substance
-defends tackstar, who barely has any heat on
-answers gm’s questionnaire which was not pro town
-says if tackstar is innocent sand is scum (no way of knowing this)
-refuses to justify his read on sandroba(sheeping) while defending tackstar far too much for day 1


Rean
+ Show Spoiler +

-relatively inactive
-attempts to bring ambers role back up as town is moving on
-sums up information already said.


bartundar
-inactive as hell for a vet and offers nothing substantive but rehashing things we have stopped talking about



But I question how much this actually helped. It's a large list, sure, but the majority of it is inactive players or people who had already had multiple cases brought up against them.

Unfortunately my activity will be low again today, workload is high and time is short. I will do my best to be more active than yesterday and post again before the vote today.

My vote for now, however,

##Vote: BloodyC0bbler







Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 01 2011 17:57 GMT
#1066
Ok Kurumi, thank You for Your update. I couldn't name a single post of Yours right now, so with You, it's no love lost.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 02 2011 16:03 GMT
#1365
Sorry I haven't been as active as I would have liked. I've been doing my best to keep up with the thread, but finding time to actually post worthy posts has been difficult.

I'm a day late but it's a bummer of what happened to BC. That said, I do not support any plan designed to bring him back into the game. As others have said, there is a lot that can go wrong with that plan, and his power is only mediocre (can potentially save mafia, loses his power completely if Bum dies). Obviously having a 100% confirmed towny would be a great asset for us, hopefully we will get more information on some alignments after tonight.

I am most suspicious of Varpulis at the moment, but Palmar has just written a great write up of him which I completely agree with. So, for the sake of time, I will sheep instead of parrot and give Palmar a thumbs up (but not a fistpound, sorry bro.) I realize this makes a terrible townie, but this has been a busy week, so time-wise there's not a whole lot I can provide at the moment.

On my lunch I will be going over yesterdays posts to see if I find anything that hasn't been brought up yet.


Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 03 2011 15:39 GMT
#1631
Palmar, bro, you're starting to worry me. Especially after you pulled the rug out from under me in SNMM.

What Wiggles is saying is not totally unreasonable given the roles in this game. Even despite my hesitation I think the town's best bet is unfortunately to sac you, Wiggles, and see how you flip. If you flip green like you say you will, I think we will have a lot of information to go on and my number one suspect will be our favorite fist pounder, Palmar. Saying you're the "greenest bro here" is quite an overstatement. Just because you told us how your role works doesn't mean we can trust you.

Palmar, what do you think our next move should be IF Wiggles flips green?

Hopefully I'm worrying over nothing, Wiggles will flip red, and all will be well in the world.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 03 2011 15:40 GMT
#1632
Torte, do you have some sort of posting restriction, or is your activity just low?

Here's the list from Rean that you were talking about, it's on Page 75.

+ Show Spoiler +

On June 03 2011 07:03 Rean wrote:
A quick list of dead roles/last will etc so far, will update with claimed stuff and other information that has been claimed in the thread in a bit

  1. Kurumi
  2. Karshe
  3. Mr. Wiggles
  4. deskscaress The Possesed + Show Spoiler +
    "You are the Possessed. You're the materialization of a disembodied spirit!
    You are capable of murdering someone with your bare hands, but that person will be chosen at random and you can only do it once.
    If you are lynched, the last person to vote for you will immediately suffer a painful death.
    If you are killed, the killer's alignment will be revealed to everyone.
    "

  5. GMarshal
  6. Palmar
  7. Eternalmisfit
  8. sandroba The Painter + Show Spoiler +
    You are the Painter. You're an artist, a man of creativity and come from a river of wit and inspiration. Each night you can paint any other player to another role you see fit. As a painter, your works are only 2-dimensional, they cannot come to life and thus any person you paint as a different role, doesn't mean they actually play that role, they just appear as that role when investigated.

  9. chaos13
  10. kitaman27
  11. Kenpachi
  12. Tackster
  13. Varpulis Police Chief Mole + Show Spoiler +
    You are the Police Chief. You have day and night abilities, but you must choose which one to use. You are limited to one action per cycle. You may only use each ability once, but if you use all five you may start again.
    At night
    -You can inspect any player, revealing their alignment.
    -You can arrest a player and throw them in prison. This will roleblock them, but also prevent them from being actioned against.

    In the day
    -You can interrogate a player, finding out who they targeted the night before.
    -You can set up surveillance on a player, this will allow you to see who visits that player the following night.
    -You can order your forensics department to perform an autopsy on one of the players that died that night, they will scrub the body for evidence and be able to name one player that visited that person last night..

  14. tnkted
  15. hiro protagonist
  16. redFF
  17. sinani206
  18. Node Indie Rocker + Show Spoiler +
    You are the Indie Rocker! As you have the best music taste in town, you don't need to get involved with the daily ramblings, and instead deal with problems yourself at night. You can get mad and kill people because of their terrible taste in music once per night.

    However, your ego is pretty high. In case you haven't hit a mafia and killed him/her by day 4, regardless of your alignment, you will turn emo instead and kill yourself.
    His last will: + Show Spoiler +
    Hey everybody,

    If you're reading this, I'm dead. To save you the questions that would probably consume the thread for pages the way it's been going, I'm able to write this due to someone else's ability, not my own.

    I shot prplhz. I figured that if both myself and BC find him as scummy as we do, it would be worthwhile. Sorry if he was town, but I stand by my decision.

    Lynch bumatlarge over anyone and everyone else if he didn't kill a scum last night. I guarantee you town has more KP than it could ever need -- just look at my role, and imagine if there were only two more similar ones around somewhere. I know at the very least I gave a role with more than one KP. Plus, ask yourself, why would Batman "retire" if the Joker were dead but not the other way around? Nah, being SK is waaaaay too convenient.

    I've reconsidered on chaos13 -- reading over his posts he's done less than I thought he did. This doesn't mean he's mafia or town, just don't spare him because I said he was town earlier. Lynch bumatlarge first.

    Finally, Palmar is probably town, Varpulis is probably scum, Tackster is still probably scum (but if bum is scum, he's probably not), and GMarshal needs to post more.

    KISSES XOXO,
    Node

  19. bumatlarge
  20. Mataza
  21. Mig
  22. VisceraEyes Veteran Zombie + Show Spoiler +
    "You are the Veteran Zombie. You have been around the block. You've been in many other Team Liquid mafia games, and you've always managed to land a kill but not without getting yourself taken out.

    Even though your destiny is to die to take another soul to the grave, you've learned a few skills to evade death. You have two lives and you are able to take another person of his choice with you if you get killed. Your ability activates automatically upon death"

  23. Amber[LighT]
  24. BloodyC0bbler The Goddamn Batman + Show Spoiler +
    "You are the Goddamn Batman. You are the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So the town hunts you because you can take it. You are a silent guardian, a watchful protector, a dark knight. Role-claming as Batman at any point of the game will get you lynched. However, since you are well disguised as Bruce Wayne, role checks on you come back as Playboy Millionaire.

    Every night you go ahead and protect the first person being targeted by a KP. However, you are truly incorruptible and do not let scum die out of some misplaced sense of self-righteousness and thus protect that person regardless of their alignment.

    Your Arch-Nemesis, the Joker, is bumatlarge. He knows who you are but can not cause your death. You may not reveal his role nor can he reveal yours. If he dies, you will retire from your life of fighting crime, satisfied that the city is safe."

  25. Torte de Lini
  26. Cthsazsa
  27. Barundar
  28. Meapak_Ziphh
  29. DropBear
  30. prplhz The Coward + Show Spoiler +
    You the Coward. You can survive a lynch once thanks to your fast legs and knowing every dark place in this town. You can also decide to leave your home at night once. Any actions that are attempted on you that night will be redirected to other people visiting you. If only one person visits you that night they will be told "You couldn't find Your target

  31. stefftastiq
  32. Rean
  33. Jackal58


Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 03 2011 15:50 GMT
#1634
What is the restriction? Or, who gave Torte his role?
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 03 2011 15:54 GMT
#1635
Also, as I previously said,

##Vote: Mr.Wiggles

We can't spend the entire rest of the game unsure if you are lying about your alignment and being the victim of a bus and run, hopefully you understand. Your death should help the town no matter what you flip.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 06 2011 17:45 GMT
#2168
I apologize for my posting being scarce, I haven't had as much free time as I'd like (in the middle of moving... ugh). I have been keeping up with the thread but not having much time to post.

As of now, my vote will most likely be going to Torte de Lini. Here's the thing, Torte. I admittedly have not been a helpful townie because I haven't been online. You, however, have been online fairly consistently but have your posting restriction. Due to the restriction, each of your posts should be concise and as helpful to the town as possible... but I haven't seen much of either from you. I could pull some of your posting history but there's really no need.

On Night 1 I was wanting Kurumi dead... I was sure he was scum, and his posts were annoying to boot. However, I am definitely believing him over Bum. I don't know if Bum is a godfather, but he's definitely scum.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 06 2011 18:01 GMT
#2178
While I'm still voting for him at the moment, I don't think we should vote Torte as scum just because he has a scummy role. I'm not sure our host would be so obvious to give all scum the perfect scum roles... seems like it would be too easy to figure out who is who.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 06 2011 18:07 GMT
#2181
How so? I'm saying if people are going to vote Torte, vote for the right reasons and not because the host supposedly assigned him a scummy role.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 06 2011 18:16 GMT
#2187
On June 07 2011 03:13 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2011 03:07 Karshe wrote:
How so? I'm saying if people are going to vote Torte, vote for the right reasons and not because the host supposedly assigned him a scummy role.

Easy. You state you don't want to vote for him but you are going to anyways. If he flips town you point back and say "See I didn't really want to vote for him"
Scum tactic used by scum.
If you don't want to vote for him because of the reasons listed why are you? Because you are scum that's why.


Are you even reading my posts? I already stated why I am voting Torte.

This post of yours:

On June 07 2011 02:56 Jackal58 wrote:
I would suspect him to be scum simply by the way the alignments appear to be fitting the roles we all wrote. However that is going on the assumption that his role is a role blocker type. I don't have enough info to say with any certainty what he is though. Role or alignment. Other than his limited posting I have seen nothing condemnation worthy from him.


Is complete crap, bolded for emphasis. You can't suspect someone just because of the way the host handed out roles.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 06 2011 18:16 GMT
#2189
And, EBWOP: I haven't actually voted Torte yet. I just think he's our best option at the moment.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 06 2011 18:37 GMT
#2203
Urge to kill Panadain is rising...
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 06 2011 18:42 GMT
#2210
On June 07 2011 03:39 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2011 03:37 Karshe wrote:
Urge to kill Panadain is rising...

If You're day vig shot Bum so we can lynch Palmar safely,or the other way around.


I'm not a day vig unfortunately.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 06 2011 19:12 GMT
#2219
I think Kurumi added me to his KP list because I said I wanted to kill Pandain.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 06 2011 19:22 GMT
#2223
Detective Kurumi is on the case! Pandain had oddball posts, I joked I wanted to kill him, you told me to shoot, and I said I was not a day vig.

I don't remember Kenpachi claiming anything.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 06 2011 19:34 GMT
#2230
I totally missed Ken rage quitting, that's pretty lame. One of his last posts is "Oh by the way, RedFF is town." and then he left. Nice.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 06 2011 21:31 GMT
#2255
On June 07 2011 06:15 Mataza wrote:
If DB passively killed Meapak, Kurumi shot Kita and Palmar shot chaos13, then it doesn´t mean that one of them is lying. Not automatically
Mafias hit was maybe rescued.
Or maybe Mafia used their teamkp on someone who is bulletproof.
And if said bulletproof person is 3rd party they wouldn´t claim. Especially if they already have claimed their actual role.
Also there is the chance someone got hit and doesn´t claim because he isn´t aware that he should.

I would still like to hear from Karshe, do you really have KP? We can´t let KP run around freely.


I haven't killed anyone, and if I had KP I'm not sure I'd disclose it at this point.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 06 2011 21:43 GMT
#2260
Actually, I'll be more specific about my role since I feel like the mafia have higher priority targets tonight.

I do have KP and I am the reason that Mataza has a bomb strapped to him. I am able to plant a bomb at night and they take 48 hours (after the next lynch) to detonate. I don't feel at risk claiming since there are others who have stronger KP than I do.

On Night 1 I attemped to plant a bomb on Varpulis, but when I arrived he was already dead (per our host) and I got my bomb refunded back to me. I don't know if this counts as "visiting" him, but I asked Dec if I lost my bomb and he said no, I kept it since my target had already been killed. I started with 2 bombs and only have 1 left now (after Mataza).

"Why Mataza?" I felt like Bum is an easy lynch, and I felt confident that Torte is scum and will be dying soon. I wanted to target another person I felt to be scum.

I chose someone's role who is still alive and hasn't claimed yet. Been waiting for them to claim to see if they're truthful.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 06 2011 22:48 GMT
#2277
On June 07 2011 07:33 redFF wrote:
I know Palmar is dumb, but saying bumatlarge is not the right lynch is stupid. We lynch Bumatlarge, we make Palmar shoot TDL. Karshe bombs TDL too so we have a backup in case Palmar doesn't listen. TDL not dead in the morning=lynching Palmar. I would like any medic roles on Karshe so his bomb gets off. There simple imo.


This sounds like a good plan to me. If we both target TDL they shouldn't be able to stop both of us, unless Kurumi interferes.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 06 2011 22:50 GMT
#2279
On June 07 2011 07:48 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2011 05:54 stefftastiq wrote:
@GMarshal
Im voting for bum because i saw his his role(joker) WITH NAME (bumatlarge) get spoiled, before it got removed, when he killed sinani? that night - joker etc - thats my main reason - if there are very good reasons that someone else SURELY is scum - i have no problems switching tho, but bum is scum fo sho.


Wtf does this post? When did Bum kill Sinani? Did I step through a time machine or did you return from the future?


I had almost these exact same questions but didn't feel inclined to defend Bum.

The only thing I can think of is with BC died and The Joker's info was in Batman's role description, and that info is still in the post. I went back through the day/night posts and found nothing else.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 07 2011 15:15 GMT
#2380
I don't trust Palmar either but Bum is the smarter lynch. I will be voting Bum today and can either bomb TDL or Palmar tonight.

On the subject of roles, my person still has yet to claim. I believe Node made my role based off of what he said when he died.

##Vote: Bumatlarge
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 07 2011 15:18 GMT
#2382
We need to figure out who Palmar should shoot tonight. If he misses his shot, he dies. If he kills, even for his own agenda, at least we will have benefited from keeping him alive for another day.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 07 2011 15:19 GMT
#2383
EBWOP: I guess it's still day so we have plenty of time to figure that out... sorry, I'm still waking up lol. I was thinking that night was ending today for some retarded reason.

Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 07 2011 15:24 GMT
#2387
Admittedly I'm still waking up... but someone remind me why we're discussing Palmar and not Kurumi? Why is Kurumi flying under the radar?
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 07 2011 16:01 GMT
#2400
The crappy thing is during the night I was deciding between Mataza and Kurumi for my bomb... I think I chose wrong.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 07 2011 16:08 GMT
#2405
On June 08 2011 01:06 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2011 01:03 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On June 08 2011 01:01 Karshe wrote:
The crappy thing is during the night I was deciding between Mataza and Kurumi for my bomb... I think I chose wrong.


*wiggles his tail*

Does that mean he chose wrong?


Or does that mean Mataza is scum?


We should be finding out in a few hours!

I am still hoping Mataza is scum, but to be totally truthful, I am less confident than I was when I planted. =\
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 07 2011 17:27 GMT
#2453
On June 08 2011 02:20 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2011 02:15 Cthsazsa wrote:
On June 08 2011 02:10 DropBear wrote:
Still having net troubles. I haven't actually read the last like 20 pages cos it take too long for them to load . Our download quota resets tomorrow (hopefully) so will be able to read up properly then.

Can someone summarise for me very quickly why Palmar is a major lynch target? I still don't trust bum.


Horrible town play, called himself the greenest person here because he killed a mole (obv scum move), continuously lied, killed the only DT-type role that we know of, now claims to be an assassin (This could also be a lie, I doubt there's five 3rd parties in this game).

It's either him or bum.

If we don't lynch bum now, we will always be wondering if he lied about his role and we will have to waste tomorrow's lynch on him.

If we don't lynch Palmar, we will kill bum, find out his alignment, and there's a huge possibility that Palmar will die tonight. If Palmar isn't killed by assassins, Karshe's bomb will get him.

My vote stays on bum.

Both are scum. One gives them a kp for the night, the other doesn't.


This is what's sitting in my head at the moment as well... if we're set on killing Palmar with my bomb anyway, why wait through the night and allow him another killshot?
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 07 2011 17:30 GMT
#2456
I am with GM on this one.

##Unvote
##Vote: Palmar


Reasoning: We want both Bum and Palmar to die, there's no reason to let Palmar live through the night and risk him killing another townie. I will plant my bomb on Bum who seems just as scummy, but less risk.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 07 2011 17:40 GMT
#2462
If you are currently voting for Bum, please re-read GM's posts and why I am changing my vote. Palmar is a greater risk to town.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 07 2011 17:41 GMT
#2463
Wait, we don't know Bum is out of ammo? Sigh...
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 07 2011 17:44 GMT
#2469
On June 08 2011 02:42 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2011 02:41 Karshe wrote:
Wait, we don't know Bum is out of ammo? Sigh...

Bum is not SK,he never killed You morons. HE LOST HIS POWERS AFTER BATMAN DIED!


So you're just guessing the role description?

If Joker dies, Batman has no more reason to fight crime.
If Batman dies, Joker is free to rule the town and kill whoever he pleases.

I am not convinced Joker lost his powers.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 07 2011 17:47 GMT
#2473
Ok, well, we want Palmar dead and he definitely has KP. We also want Bum dead and he "might" have KP. My vote stays with Palmar.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 07 2011 17:51 GMT
#2478
If we lynch Bum, mafia loses a member.

If we lynch Palmar, mafia loses a KP.

Why are you people voting Bum still...
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 07 2011 17:53 GMT
#2484
On June 08 2011 02:52 redFF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2011 02:50 Cthsazsa wrote:
On June 08 2011 02:49 Palmar wrote:
On June 08 2011 02:40 redFF wrote:
Here is what we do.
Scumatlarge is the lynch
Palmar shoot torte de lini
Karshe bomb Torte De lini
Medics on Karshe
If torte de lini is not dead in the morning we lynch Palmar
We might lynch Palmar even if Torte De Lini is dead in the morning
Then Torte De Lini and Palmar are dead. ^.^


I agree with this plan.


Well no shit, that plan means you'll get to live past tonight.
Horrible plan.

We control Palmar's shot, he shoots scum.


That's the problem. We can't "control" Palmar's shot.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 07 2011 20:15 GMT
#2574
You are presenting no new information, Mig.

Palmar killed a townie, who ended up being the mole. Palmar took advantage of the situation and claimed the kill, proclaiming himself to be the "greenest bro here."
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 07 2011 20:38 GMT
#2586
On June 08 2011 05:29 Mig wrote:
Em what do you think about palmar not knowing what Varps role was before killing him? Or how about this last minute vote switch away from a confirmed non town? If you vote palmar now you should be confident that red is also scum, it is the only way that really makes sense to me.


You weren't asking me, but I just wanted to respond and say I don't agree that Palmar and Red are linked. Also, in case you missed it, I responded to your earlier comment about the vote switch:

On June 08 2011 05:15 Karshe wrote:
You are presenting no new information, Mig.

Palmar killed a townie, who ended up being the mole. Palmar took advantage of the situation and claimed the kill, proclaiming himself to be the "greenest bro here."


He may have also simply feared a tracker. If Varp hadn't of flipped mole, Palmar could have just said "Whoops sorry, I thought he was scum. I'll do better next time."

Which is a bit ironic since that will most likely be my only defense if Mataza flips green. But I'm just saying, Palmar shooting Varp while not knowing he is the mole should NOT clear Palmar.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 07 2011 20:51 GMT
#2602
On June 08 2011 05:48 Mig wrote:
That's all I asked was whether you were confident red was also mafia. Personally I think you are completely wrong but if palmar flips scum then red should be killed immediately.

Karshe of course red and palmar are linked wtf? Or is it the new mafia metagame for them to kill their most powerful members n1 just to buy town cred? Do you guys really think mafia would kill their mole unless they knew how strong Varps role was?


I will go back and read Red's posts in reference to Palmar.

Yes, I think it's completely possible that mafia would bus their mole, since they didn't know his role. As GM has already stated, Palmar bussed Hiro in the previous game.

Especially since Varp was already under suspicion--I tried killing him with a bomb because I believed him to be scum. It turned out I was wrong, but I was not the only one to suspect Varp.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 07 2011 21:20 GMT
#2646
This is a depressing blow but people saying "gg, I quit" are making it worse.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 08 2011 20:12 GMT
#2694
*crickets*

No dramatic "if I die tonight..." posts?
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 08 2011 21:01 GMT
#2705
Awww yeah!

Dec, were there any bombs found?
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 08 2011 21:02 GMT
#2709
##Fistpound Palmar

Welcome back. Here's your chance for redemption!
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 08 2011 21:05 GMT
#2717
On June 09 2011 06:03 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2011 06:01 Karshe wrote:
Awww yeah!

Dec, were there any bombs found?


I knew I forgot something.

A bomb has been placed on bumatlarge, it will explode in 48 hours.


Thanks for confirmation, wasn't sure if I had gotten roleblocked.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 08 2011 21:09 GMT
#2726
Why is Kurumi still alive? I thought he was out of lives? I must remember his role wrong and I don't remember what page the description is on...
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 08 2011 21:47 GMT
#2768
I would also recommend Hiro at this point since he is on both lists. It would seem to make sense... Hiro is the single mafia on Day 1 list, and Hiro and Bum are the two mafia on Day 2 list. TDL would be the missing mafia.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 08 2011 22:03 GMT
#2779
Red, I don't understand your reasoning. Why are you completing skipping over Hiro?

Here is what I posted in regards to the lists:

On June 09 2011 06:47 Karshe wrote:
I would also recommend Hiro at this point since he is on both lists. It would seem to make sense... Hiro is the single mafia on Day 1 list, and Hiro and Bum are the two mafia on Day 2 list. TDL would be the missing mafia.

Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 08 2011 22:09 GMT
#2781
To clarify, my scum list is:

Bumatlarge
Hiro protagonist
Mr.Wiggles
Torte de Lini
Varpulis the mole
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 08 2011 22:14 GMT
#2785
Pretty sure Stef is trolling...
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 08 2011 22:20 GMT
#2792
On June 09 2011 07:16 redFF wrote:
Why inspect Hiro?

If he comes back Scum
Barundar is town
Everyone else on Palmar's vote list is confirmed not scum (Kurumi still black obviously)

If he come back Town
Barundar is Mafia
1 of Gm, Jackal, Cthasza, Karshe is Scum (likely Gm or Jackal)


This seems really spot on.

I believe Cthsazsa to be town as well. Based off his posting, and I gave him his role. The fact that he hasn't claimed any part of it yet makes me feel he is pro-town.

I want to trust GM, but after the whole Palmar thing which he himself admitted he pretty much spear-headed... I'm not as sure.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 08 2011 23:08 GMT
#2811
On June 09 2011 08:06 hiro protagonist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2011 07:40 Palmar wrote:
this is of course assuming Bum blows up


This needs to be talked about more. We can not leave it to chance that bum will die. I think we should lynch him NOW. He should have been the last lynch. towns got plenty of KP that can be put on people likely to die from it. we got Palmar. Letws Lynch Bum


Scum damage control? Trying to only lose one buddy instead of two?
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 09 2011 21:40 GMT
#2893
Voting Torte for obvious reasons (DT check, no defense, etc). Hopefully Bum will be giblets soon.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 10 2011 01:38 GMT
#2905
Earlier night post is good. I don't think there will be any changes to what happens today.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 10 2011 04:35 GMT
#2909
At this point I'm pretty sure everyone has said what they're going to say and we're just waiting until night post anyway lol.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 10 2011 15:17 GMT
#2932
Great work everyone, I'm glad the bomb worked.

I think we need to check, or preferably kill, hiro protagonist. He is on both voting lists from Day 1/2... and regardless, his posting the last day or so has been pretty scummy.

Why is bum's role redacted in the night post? I was curious to see if he was as overpowered as batman.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 10 2011 22:34 GMT
#2952
Hirooooo, you were town? Seriously? Wish you would have fought more, your posts really gave me the "Meh, I'm scum and I'm giving up" vibe. I was very confident you were scum after your latest posts.

On June 09 2011 06:34 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Palmar
bumatlarge
Eternalmisfit
Kurumi
Jackal58
Karshe
GMarshal
Amber[LighT]
Cthsazsa
Rean
hiro protagonist

Day2 vote: 2/10 are scum

VisceraEyes
Eternalmisfit
deskscaress
Barundar
Palmar
hiro protagonist
Varpulis
Kurumi

Day1 vote: 1/4 are scum


Based off of VisceraEyes' vote list, we now know Barundar is mafia.

##Vote: Barundar

Palmar's vote list has some more investigating needed, obviously. I'm most weary of GM at the moment (not including Barundar). Hopefully our dog will have some more info for us?



Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 10 2011 22:53 GMT
#2954
On June 11 2011 07:33 Rean wrote:
Palmar lynch

bumatlarge
Eternalmisfit
Kurumi
Jackal58
Karshe
GMarshal
Amber[LighT]
Cthsazsa
Rean


Yes, I inspected Jackal, I just said i'd inspect Amber to avoid possible framer shenanigans. He returned black on the inspect. Barundar is also the only one on the visceraeyes lynch left unaccounted for, making him mafia.

##Vote: Barundar


This makes me even more uneasy of GMarshal, since Cthsazsa, Amber, and myself have all been considered pro-town for most of the game.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 10 2011 22:57 GMT
#2956
Oh, and in case anybody is wondering why I have a bomb on me... don't worry, it's not going to kill me. My role has a secondary ability that I would have felt bad for disappointing my role creator without trying once.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 10 2011 22:59 GMT
#2957
On June 11 2011 07:55 Jackal58 wrote:
Makes me uneasy of Rean. We either have a framer role or he's scum.

I couldn't remember why Rean's name was in confirmed green, but didn't want to question it and make it look like I was trying to discredit a DT...
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 10 2011 23:02 GMT
#2960
I'm going to be very sad when it turns out my role has a third hidden ability that makes it so my fake bombs are actually real bombs.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 10 2011 23:56 GMT
#2972
Yeah, Kurumi got sacced by GMarshal.

So we either need to lynch Barundar, or figure out who his accomplice is.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 11 2011 07:34 GMT
#2982
Cthsazsa, even though you are targeting me, honestly I'm glad to see some actual scumhunting instead of relying on roles. It feels like it has been a while.

Unfortunately you've targeted the wrong person because I am town. I'm not going to do a quote by quote response, but I will respond to your main concerns.

GMarshal
Why am I becoming increasingly suspicious of him? Because everything I've heard about this guy is that he's a great player and a huge asset to town. I wouldn't say he hasn't been helping town, but he hasn't been an overly active poster, either. And certainly not a town leader. There is, of course, the whole Palmar lynch in which he totally convinced me to switch from Bum to Palmar. He himself stated that he essentially spear-headed the Palmar lynch. Granted, I ultimately take responsibility for switching my own vote... but I switched because what GMarshal was saying made sense. He is very persuasive.

You also seem to think that because GM got roleblocked by Torte that this clears GM. I disagree. GM does not have an overpowered role. Given GM's knowledge of the game, I would not put it past him to intentionally get himself roleblocked to have an alibi later in the game.

Bombing Mataza
I have played two games with Mataza now and in both games I felt he was very hard to read. His playstyle is so erratic and at times hard to follow that even if he IS town, he is still causing confusion and attention with drastic "pro-town" planning. I stand by my decision to bomb him, when I sent in my night action I was confident he was mafia.

Hiro's death
To be honest, I'm still surprised Hiro was not mafia. At the time of discussing who should be next to die, I didn't bother doing a mass quote of Hiro's posts because it just seemed like an easy piece of the puzzle that fit in given the lists we had. Clearly this was a mistake. Ultimately, Hiro's failure to really defend himself is why I was confident in my choice. He basically said, "lol, well I'm town, so let's figure out who else is actually mafia." And that was it. It felt like he had given up, as Torte had done before him. This point of yours doesn't make sense:

On June 11 2011 15:34 Cthsazsa wrote:
Of course, you would preferably kill Hiro. This dude's an easy target and doesn't even defend himself.

Because at the time I suggested killing Hiro, Hiro hadn't gotten the chance to "be an easy target" or defend himself yet. Are you suggesting I am psychic and knew Hiro would give up?

Lynching Jackal since he has a vest (we're assuming), and having Palmar shoot Barundar seems to make the most sense. This will give us an extra day to rip apart each other's posts and if we're some how lucky, give Rean another day to work his magic.

I can not agree to be shot or lynched for town information because I know I am town. So, if it's a situation like, "killing Karshe will clear the dog," as you suggest... I could not agree to that because as a townie, it makes more sense to kill the dog to clear myself. That said, according to your list, killing me will not clear Amber because you are on that list as well.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 11 2011 18:33 GMT
#3028
There's one thing that is making me a bit uneasy and I haven't seen much discussion on it.

On June 11 2011 18:27 stefftastiq wrote:
Yeah, I got some information - the crazy cat lady has chosen GMarshal

I wrote Cthsazsa's role (cat lady), and the way I wrote it, he doesn't "chose" people until a certain action happens, which has not happened yet. So either he a) sent his action in advance before necessary or b) our host changed his role without telling me.

If he's town, and it's some sort of tracking or KP, why wouldn't he put it on me? He seems to believe I am mafia over GMarshal.

I still think we should lynch Jackal since we don't know how much night protection he has, but I'm also good with lynching the confirmed Barundar.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 11 2011 20:02 GMT
#3033
Well it's not me, and if it's not you, then it has to be Amber or GMarshal. If you believe GMarshal is 3rd party then it has to be Amber. How is anyone supposed to build a case against a dog? All he can do is q
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 11 2011 20:02 GMT
#3034
EBWOP: Errr, didn't mean to hit enter.

All he can do is quote posts.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 11 2011 20:05 GMT
#3035
I trust Palmar to make the right decision.

##Fistpound: Palmar
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 11 2011 21:07 GMT
#3052
I like your plan Red, but just to clarify--that is the full role I gave Cthsazsa, he is not lying about that. I was confused because Cthsazsa had already chosen GMarshal at one point, and the way I envisioned the role is that he wouldn't pick anyone until AFTER he died. I guess he just decided to send his choice in early.

I still believe Cthsazsa is town, so unless he's willing to use his power (doubtful), I would suggest killing GMarshal or Amber. Cthsazsa seems confident that GM is third party. I don't know what Amber's exact role is, so I don't know how much it has been helping us this game. And if we continue to bring Amber with us, he's just going to keep flying under the radar because he is essentially unreadable except for voting patterns.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 11 2011 23:35 GMT
#3092
On June 12 2011 07:09 Rean wrote:
1. Yes, I do think Karshe's town. I created his role and his use of it has seemed pro-town so far. His third bomb is slightly wasted as he could have used it better but i'll forgive him since he's just a newbie.


Sorry Rean, I thought about how to use it to try and gain information but I was hesitant to plant it on someone scummy because I didn't want to draw town attention away from them, i.e. "Oh we don't need to lynch Barundar since he's going to explode anyway." And I feared putting it on anyone else would make me look too suspicious and get me lynched.

Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 12 2011 00:56 GMT
#3103
I am town, dammit. Why are you giving Amber a free pass on Palmar's lynch list, Cthsazsa? If he has some sort of useful town ability, he hasn't helped us with it yet.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 12 2011 20:31 GMT
#3176
It looks like Jackal is getting lynched. My vote is staying on Barundar in hopes that Rean can get his list information to us. Either Amber or Cthsazsa is mafia so we have a 50/50 chance to make things a lot easier for us if Rean can get his information to us.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 12 2011 20:33 GMT
#3178
I would say me. Cthsazsa is just going to keep PMing "KILL KARSHE KILL KARSHE KILL KARSHE!"
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 13 2011 15:09 GMT
#3207
Palmar, just so I understand your position-- are you saying I'm at the top of your list and will be shot tonight, or were you just going down the roster?
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 13 2011 21:15 GMT
#3213
Cool, after we hear Rean's list we'll know Amber's alignment. That should be a good start. Kinda wish we had chosen myself or Cthsazsa to check, though, since I have a feeling it'll come down to deciding between the two of us.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 14 2011 15:19 GMT
#3268
On June 13 2011 06:24 Palmar wrote:
I know amber's role, so building a case against him is easy after tonight, if the need arises.


Palmar, has Amber's role been actively helping town? (I'm guessing I know what his role is but I could be wrong...).
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 14 2011 17:06 GMT
#3276
##Fistpound: Palmar
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 15 2011 15:16 GMT
#3359
Yeah, at this point I think we have no reason to worry about millers. If the list had reported 0 or 1 mafia, sure. But 2 seems like it should be the final 2.

@GM, why do you believe DB is mafia by claiming PGO? On one of the first days, when he wasn't under suspicion yet, didn't he warn the town not to visit him? Your case against DB seems pretty sound, but I don't want a Palmar round 2 to happen.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 15 2011 21:10 GMT
#3377
When does day end?
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 15 2011 22:17 GMT
#3395
Palmar, I hope you know what you're doing. I really don't want to lose because we got swindled by GMarshal. He's certainly capable of it (that's a compliment, GM).
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 15 2011 22:38 GMT
#3409
Palmar, I think you need to shoot redFF.

One thing I noticed when Cthsazsa was rallying against me, DropBear and redFF were the only two people to really defend me and say "No, Karshe is definitely town." I made a mental note of it because I wasn't sure I wanted to be associated with them later down the line because both of them were unknowns to the town.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 15 2011 22:38 GMT
#3411
EBWOP: Also since GM is looking a bit cleaner now, which is who I would have suggested before his role was revealed.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 15 2011 22:39 GMT
#3412
On June 16 2011 07:38 Palmar wrote:
if redFF was scum, why did he out your role, when you were a likely candidate for lynch/kill


I don't think he had a choice. GM stated in his post that Red just found out his role and should be posting it shortly.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 15 2011 22:40 GMT
#3414
On June 16 2011 07:35 Palmar wrote:
Also, Cthazha has two pretty town looking actions on his record.

a) he claimed creating wiggles's role. if this is true he's almost definitely not mafia.

b) he planted a bomb on hiro, information that then got leaked through stefftastiq. Remember, this is when everyone agreed that hiro was likely scum.

I don't remember this at all, are you sure? Cthsazsa is a zombie, he doesn't have any bombs (that was me, but I'm out of ammo).
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 15 2011 22:54 GMT
#3417
On June 16 2011 07:40 Palmar wrote:
And why shouldn't I just shoot you Karshe?

Because I'm town, and I'm just a green townie at this point... unless you count being able to rick roll people. I still have plenty of those.

I'm not going to claim that bombing Bum should make me auto-town, since admittedly it would have made me look suspicious if I didn't bomb him. Just keep in mind I could have claimed role block or several other reasons for a bomb not going through.

I have been flying under the radar for a majority of the game, which could be seen as suspicious... but in the end, I am not a threat to the town.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 15 2011 23:13 GMT
#3436
I am fine with your plan, Palmar. Although, the way I wrote Cthsazsa's role was: the night following your death, you can kill someone. So it would go:

Tonight: Shoot Cthsazsa
Day: Lynch someone (most likely redFF or Karshe)
Night: Cthsazsa and Palmar both get a KP

I'm not sure why I worded his role that way, it's kind of stupid... but too late now.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 15 2011 23:16 GMT
#3441
On June 16 2011 08:16 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 08:13 Karshe wrote:
I am fine with your plan, Palmar. Although, the way I wrote Cthsazsa's role was: the night following your death, you can kill someone. So it would go:

Tonight: Shoot Cthsazsa
Day: Lynch someone (most likely redFF or Karshe)
Night: Cthsazsa and Palmar both get a KP

I'm not sure why I worded his role that way, it's kind of stupid... but too late now.


well he's not getting shot tonight, as the vote-lists exclude anyone but redFF.


That sounds good, the votelist information wasn't in the thread when I started my post.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 16 2011 20:04 GMT
#3462
Yeah, I think we're just waiting to see what Redff flips, assuming that's who Palmar hit.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 16 2011 21:13 GMT
#3467
Sigh. Pretty sure we've been duped by GMarshal, Palmar. It's either him or Cthsazsa, who is a zombie.

Based off of redFF's role, GMarshal could have gotten 25% lucky and falsified a Miller claim, knowing it was his best way to take the heat off. It's a stretch, but it's definitely possible.

Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 16 2011 21:14 GMT
#3468
##Fistpound: Palmar
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 16 2011 21:37 GMT
#3483
I guess I forgot about Steff since he has been "confirmed" town for a day or so, hrm.

Palmar, what reasons do you have for trusting Cthsazsa? I will not volunteer myself to be shot because I am town and it's the wrong choice... but our list of suspects is dwindling.

Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 16 2011 21:57 GMT
#3487
On June 17 2011 06:45 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2011 06:37 Karshe wrote:
I guess I forgot about Steff since he has been "confirmed" town for a day or so, hrm.

Palmar, what reasons do you have for trusting Cthsazsa? I will not volunteer myself to be shot because I am town and it's the wrong choice... but our list of suspects is dwindling.



He created Wiggles's role.

Sorry, I don't really see where you're going with this.

On June 17 2011 06:41 Cthsazsa wrote:
Ninja'd.

##Fistbump Palmar

Karshe what reasons do have to not trust me? I swear it almost seems like you're not even reading the thread. You hardly post anything and when you do post it contains nothing valuable to town.

I'm not ruling out GM as a possibility but I'm more towards steff or Karshe as the remaining scum. Both have been lurking considerably and hardly helping Town at all, whereas GM is actually contributing.

Number of posts =/= alignment, as I'm sure you realize. Just because I haven't been posting page long PBP's every day and because GM has been more active than me doesn't mean I'm scum and GMarshal is town.

Speaking of posting habits, going back through the last 10 pages, Steff's posting has become much more scarce ever since he has been "confirmed" town. I am very curious to see what his role provided last night. I'm guessing it's going to be something we already knew.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 16 2011 22:33 GMT
#3500
Cthsazsa already role claimed in full at some point... he gets to kill someone the following night of his death, doesn't matter how he dies.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 16 2011 22:35 GMT
#3503
Sorry Cthsazsa.

I was going to have different cats do different things, i.e. a tracker cat, a cat that can absorb a hit for you, etc, but I thought it would be too much and rejected by host. This, of course, was before I saw some of the other roles. I'll definitely be more creative in a similar game type in the future.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 16 2011 22:40 GMT
#3504
I guess you're right, Cthsazsa. It's different than how I submitted it:

You are the Crazy Cat Lady.

You love your cats so much that not even death can keep you apart! You must be so happy. If you are ever slain during the game, the following night of your death your ghost comes back to collect your "children" to take to the after life. Oh, and while you're back, you get to kill any single person of your choosing. This ability goes through all protection--no one can withstand the wrath of the Crazy Cat Lady.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 16 2011 22:43 GMT
#3506
Anyway, back on topic... it's pretty hard to argue against GMarshal's role. I don't see anything obvious that could go wrong with it.

I would just suggest lynching Steff before me, since I know I am town and I'm unsure about Steff.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 16 2011 22:44 GMT
#3507
On June 17 2011 07:43 Karshe wrote:
Anyway, back on topic... it's pretty hard to argue against GMarshal's role. I don't see anything obvious that could go wrong with it.

I would just suggest lynching Steff before me, since I know I am town and I'm unsure about Steff.


Sorry, EBWOP:

Anyway, back on topic... it's pretty hard to argue against GMarshal's plan.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 16 2011 23:38 GMT
#3517
Kill Steff first, I'm not mafia and at this point I doubt GM is either. If nothing else it will get our game to end quicker. You can shoot me tonight if you'd like. I know I'm going back on what I said earlier today (about not volunteering to get shot), but at this point I'm hoping we're pretty much in the clear.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 17 2011 15:27 GMT
#3529
Why GM over Steff? In case GM has extra knives or something?
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 17 2011 17:27 GMT
#3533
What does that mean, Palmar... what are you wanting to do?
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 17 2011 22:31 GMT
#3564
I still believe Steff is scummier than GM and think Steff should be lynched...
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 18 2011 16:30 GMT
#3570
Sorry GM...
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 18 2011 18:06 GMT
#3574
How is Cthsazsa killing me if you're shooting Steff?
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 18 2011 18:16 GMT
#3577
I am voting with Palmar because he is our only CONFIRMED 100% town and he is also our Vig.

You're grasping at straws GM, Cthsazsa does not have a "shot." His role that *I* wrote specifically says it goes through all forms of protection.

That said, I am still fine with switching over to Steff because I think he is most likely to be mafia. But decide quick, I'm leaving the house in 10 minutes.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 18 2011 18:24 GMT
#3579
Cthsazsa couldn't be a SK, right?

The only thing I found odd was the night he chose GMarshal, before Cthsazsa was even dead. And there were two nights in a row where Amber protected GM.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 18 2011 18:27 GMT
#3580
I'm headed out the door, and switching back over to Steff.

If you can convince one other person to switch over too, GM, well done.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 18 2011 18:32 GMT
#3582
EBWOP: Also, Cthsazsa is not following Palmar's plan.

Ok, leaving for real now, I'm late.

GM, you're either taking this game way too personally, or putting on quite a masterful performance.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 18 2011 22:50 GMT
#3625
GG all, well played GMarshal.

One thing I wasn't sure about when I casted my final vote.

First it was 4 on GM, 2 on Steff. I voted for GM.
Then before I had to leave, I switched off of GM, 3 on GM and 3 on Steff.

I made GM and Steff reach 3 votes at the same time. Why was GM considered first to reach 3 votes?
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 18 2011 23:02 GMT
#3628
I just checked the vote thread again, still confused.

When I woke up this morning, Steff was the first to reach 3 votes, and GMarshal had 3 votes.

Then I changed my vote to GMarshal. Gmarshal had 4 votes, Steff had 2 votes.

Then I changed my vote again, GMarshal and Steff both had 3 votes.

Was GMarshal lynched since he had gotten up to 4 votes at one point? Again, I made both players reach 3 votes at the same time.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 18 2011 23:45 GMT
#3634
Palmar, GM was fighting dirty too lol. I changed my vote because he was so worked up over the game, it wasn't worth it for me to vote for him. Clearly this fell straight into his plan, and I shouldn't have changed my vote... but I felt bad for him lol.

You played well too Palmar, despite what others may say. I wouldn't envy being the only townie with a KP left with a bunch of "veterans" heckling you.
Karshe
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
June 18 2011 23:51 GMT
#3635
GM, I just noticed that your true role did not include the Miller portion.

So I take it you got lucky with redFF's interrogation and were able to lie about your role? Very lucky, haha.
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