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Karshe
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Karshe
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i.e. "I know Karshe is lying about his role because I gave him ______" or "We may not want to lynch Karshe because I gave him the power to smite all those who voted for him." Of course that could lead to false claiming... | ||
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Karshe
United States212 Posts
I don't think a mass claim will ever help town. If you know someone is lying about their role later on there's no reason you can't call them on it. Whoever gave me my role sure has a strange sense of humor. =P | ||
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Karshe
United States212 Posts
On May 31 2011 05:58 Varpulis wrote: LAL is in effect. If lie, we kill you. Period. I support this. In a game that's already going to be crazy enough from the roles, there's no reason for townies to be lying. | ||
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Karshe
United States212 Posts
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Karshe
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Karshe
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So far I'm not convinced Mataza has done anything scummy yet. He made a strange move that could have been considered a blunder in SNMM and ended up being a townie getting lynched. So far my impression from him is that he's an active player that posts first and thinks later. No offense intended, Mataza! | ||
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Karshe
United States212 Posts
On May 31 2011 12:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Hi, I know you don't know me and I don't know you. However you have yet to post anything meaningful or helpfully contribute in any way. You like one liners and playing the newb card. Please think constructively on relevant topics as opposed to randomly creating a green townie list, that serves no one in any helpful manner. As I said, I'm still getting caught up with everyone's posts, there is no need to be condescending. This is the biggest game I've played thus far so connecting everyone's posts to everyone's name and post history is something I'm still getting used to. I don't recall having made a green townie list thus far, my post was in direct response to Chaos asking what we thought about certain people. | ||
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Karshe
United States212 Posts
As I have previously said, I was responding directly to Chaos' "What do you think about Mataza?" question... I'm not sure where the confusion is coming from after responding and giving my initial thoughts. | ||
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Karshe
United States212 Posts
On May 31 2011 12:52 chaos13 wrote: BC is right. You were obviously caught up in the thread, because you were reading the latest posts. If you were catching up, you'd be halfway through. You were called out for lurking and showed up almost immediately after. I read through the majority of the thread before dinner, came back, hit refresh and responded to the "initial 5" list that you posted with my thoughts on Mataza because he is the only one I've had previous experience with so far. As for getting "caught up," I meant re-reading through the thread and collecting posts as to who good candidates may be. Clearly I shouldn't have posted before having the info ready because it resulted in this. | ||
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Karshe
United States212 Posts
On May 31 2011 13:03 chaos13 wrote: I don't see where I asked Karshe his thoughts on Mataza. Mataza was on the list I created, as was Karshe. Perhaps he misinterpreted this. Karshe actually did read that his name was there though - he directly said He then went on to state his thoughts on Mataza, but none of the other players on the list with him (me, tnkted, varpulis, redFF). Because I couldn't name you two posts from any of them off the top of my head. I've been reading posts when possible and getting caught up now. Again, this is what I meant by getting "caught up." I've gone from a 12 person game with 5 pages a day to a 25 person game with 40 pages a day, so again, I'm still getting used to the whole process. | ||
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Karshe
United States212 Posts
On May 31 2011 13:12 deskscaress wrote: yo Karshe, that's the third straight post that you've told us that you're not good at this game bro so i guess all i want to know is are you used to this much posting? or is this new to you? I'm not used to this much posting, thanks for asking! | ||
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Karshe
United States212 Posts
No clue what this means... On May 31 2011 03:59 deskscaress wrote: day 2 rolls around and i will *vanish in a puff of smoke* ^not a hint to my role On May 31 2011 06:24 deskscaress wrote: i wanted to chime in that i'm also against a LAL policy. there are tons of cases where lying can help the town. especially in a game where no one knows any of the roles except for the one they created, you have NO IDEA if someone else could be lying to set up a master plan to help the town win or something. Endorsing lying doesn't really sit well with me this early on. On May 31 2011 06:24 deskscaress wrote: lastly, without wanting to give anything away, i feel like redFF, in that i don't think my role is going to play a huge role in the game. so i hope i can contribute via scumhunting and quality posts instead Great! I look forward to your in-depth analysis! On May 31 2011 06:37 deskscaress wrote: disagree. make your posts LONG and information-packed because this thread is quickly turning into a spam-fest. the more concise our posts the more posts we will have. make longer posts and spend more time on them so we have more to analyze instead Great! I look forward to your long and information-packed analysis! Here's your next post coming up: On May 31 2011 09:59 deskscaress wrote: ugh this thread moves wayyyy too fast for a day 1 thread. on the forum i host, our longest game was 30 pages (with ~30 players) for like a 7 day game and even then i was telling everyone they should be less spammy faggots and post more content. sooooooo many posts in this thread so far are just people parroting what other people say. can you stop posting if your post is going to contain 3 lines or less? it just makes it too easy for someone else to come in 3 pages later (when your post has already been forgotten) and say the exact same thing, like "EVERYONE NEEDS TO STOP MAKING LISTS HERP" which makes it look like they're contributing like aren't most of you vets? isn't this common knowledge already? ^also i know i look like a hypocrite by just parroting to stop parroting. herp. Wow, this is a fantastic contribution to our game. I'm sure glad you're so committed to in-depth and well thought out posts. Also, I find it amusing that later in the thread you berate me for mentioning the fast moving thread when you yourself have already complained about it. The second half of the above post involved dissecting RedFF's blunder which had already been a major talking point of the town. But, wait... you just said you're so anti-parroting. On May 31 2011 11:07 deskscaress wrote: i want to correct this, sorry. "ValpuriS" instead of Valpuris also +1 to everything that chaos reiterated and explained better than i did. redFF is super scummy to me right now Really? This is one of your famous non-spammy, quality posts? And here is the gem that really caught my eye and encouraged me to go take a look through your posts. On May 31 2011 16:06 deskscaress wrote: with all that in mind, if he IS an investigative role, and he flips mafia when he dies, i think we can clear at least these four people because he obviously wouldn't need to bump his mafia bros. of course we can't ACTUALLY clear them because WIFOM etc. but what if the stipulation is that he needs fistbumps from people of the opposite faction to get his thing to work? then can we clear them? yes. but obviously we won't know this info until later. Totally disagree with this. You don't know if it's an investigative role, unless Palmar told you in mafia PMs. For all we know Palmar could have a bro-fist deathray and it powers up after having 5 fistbumps. In which case, mafia would be more than obliged to fistbump him. I don't feel like we'll ever be able to clear anyone that has fistbumped Palmar even after learning his alignment, and I feel like this is mafia trying to give themselves an easy defense later. "But but... Palmar fistbumped me and he was mafia." | ||
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Karshe
United States212 Posts
On June 01 2011 01:59 tnkted wrote: This is a crazy weak analysis. You just went through and picked the posts of his that seemed most scummy. Don't know what to tell you. A fair portion of his posts are "stop spamming," "stop parroting," and talking about his own quality posts but I'm seeing a lot of inconsistency. | ||
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Karshe
United States212 Posts
On June 01 2011 02:46 deskscaress wrote: but now i want to turn around onto YOU, Karshe. i can't tell if you're tunneling me because you're bad (which you have made it quite clear that you feel that way about yourself in this topic), which would explain your half-assed analysis; or if you're tunneling me because i called you bad earlier in the topic. so what gives? I haven't tunneled you, I had a single post requesting some clarification which for now you have fulfilled. While reading through posts this morning I was looking for a major "huh?" or scum slip-up that I could then go back and dig deeper into post history for that single person. I did not understand your fist-bump post. As I said, it felt like you were trying to give mafia an easy out later in the game. | ||
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Karshe
United States212 Posts
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Karshe
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On June 01 2011 04:41 VisceraEyes wrote: FoS Sinani Sinani hasn't posted...like, ANYTHING. I'm literally picking up NO scum-reads at this point, and the analysis everyone else is posting is based on meta I'm not familiar with...so I'm going to pick on an inactive until something big happens. ##Vote sinani206 Vis, from playing our last game together I know you're more capable than this. I've already had my analysis called weak and noob-like, but at least I'm making an attempt to contribute. Poking an inactive is not what we need right now--we need you to use that delightful brain of yours! | ||
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Karshe
United States212 Posts
On June 02 2011 01:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote: + Show Spoiler + Actually, I would. People would go "oh hes just a noob and bad" letting me hide an entire red team in plain sight. It also gives your team more thread control as your team is active. I know I am not everyone as well so I do get where you are going with that line of thought. However, you must also remember this, in alot of mafia games not everyone on the team communicates. Some players just do their own thing at the benefit or expense of their team. No helping a player like that As for it the list I posted. Its a group of people primarily revolving around thread derailers. I then gave a brief outline of why. Its day 1, going through the whole "lets quote every post they have to analyze" is pointless. You could snag a red that way but its far less likely. Someones actions are more likely to catch someone at this stage. They posted badly, and more importantly, detrimentally to town. A horrible townie who plays in opposition of his team can be as destructive as a mafia member. Read almost any game in it with billmurray as town and you will understand where I am coming from. I understand you disagree with me, but the move is far from scummy. Some of your posts have rubbed me the wrong way but this one I really don't understand. The first half--sure, that makes sense. It's completely feasible that a mafia could hide behind the noob shield and hope to coast to victory. The last paragraph, however, is what I'm not understanding. You can't have it both ways--either new townie players do their best to contribute and get accused of derailing or they fear posting and get accused of lurking. Of course the answer is "get/play better," and I would assume that is what they're trying to do. I can only speak for myself, of course. But I can say that you haven't exactly encouraged thoughtful play here. Attack the posts, not the player. It almost feels like you're trying to discourage newer/weaker members from posting. Why? One of my previous posts was raising my concerns in regards to Desk, which was waived off as a weak argument and largely ignored. Which is fine, I suppose, but I don't see why that would be labeled as derailing. I would rather look at players whose names haven't been brought up yet rather than bandwagon and vote for someone who already has 5+ votes. Which would you prefer as a follow townie? A noob townie looking for scum or a noob townie who doesn't post and/or is a sheep? Would you rather lynch a noob townie who you believe to be "derailing" or an inactive player? I'm not understanding your agenda. Another player who hasn't received much scrutiny yet is you, BloodyC0bbler. An example of this is GM voting for him as a throw away, "There's no way BC will be lynched tonight." One of your posts from earlier today began with: On June 01 2011 15:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote: How about we discuss people who are obviously derailing the town? How about we take a look at people who are obviously active yet not posting. People who come out when called, offer no actual substance and move on. There are numerous players in this game who are not being helpful. This is not to say they are all 100% mafia, but mafia benefit more than town from chaos. To me this is a scum trying to draw attention away from their active scum buddies. "Look at all those inactive scum that are hiding!" is what you're saying to me here, which I find highly suspicious. You have been very active, of course, but I question how much you've actually been helping find scum. Your big claim to fame I would say was your list here: + Show Spoiler + On June 01 2011 16:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Varpulis + Show Spoiler + -pushes anti town plans - wants to lynch all liars -attempts to undermine town plans -spends way to much time on ambers role -brings up GM’s first question post which was not town oriented. Uses to confirm GM as town -answers GM’s last questionnaire which was not town oriented Hiro protagonist + Show Spoiler + -blindly agrees with almost everything vets say/far too sheepish -spends too much time on keeping conversation around ambers role -after town has moved on from ambers role attempts to drag conversation back to it - Tackster -Multiple cases again him in thread already, see those. prplhz + Show Spoiler + -wants LaL when it was agreed it doesn’t work in this setup -sheeps kita, sandroba and possibly others who are being pressured strongly at any one time -aggressive posting while offering no substance -defends tackstar, who barely has any heat on -answers gm’s questionnaire which was not pro town -says if tackstar is innocent sand is scum (no way of knowing this) -refuses to justify his read on sandroba(sheeping) while defending tackstar far too much for day 1 Rean + Show Spoiler + -relatively inactive -attempts to bring ambers role back up as town is moving on -sums up information already said. bartundar -inactive as hell for a vet and offers nothing substantive but rehashing things we have stopped talking about But I question how much this actually helped. It's a large list, sure, but the majority of it is inactive players or people who had already had multiple cases brought up against them. Unfortunately my activity will be low again today, workload is high and time is short. I will do my best to be more active than yesterday and post again before the vote today. My vote for now, however, ##Vote: BloodyC0bbler | ||
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Karshe
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Karshe
United States212 Posts
I'm a day late but it's a bummer of what happened to BC. That said, I do not support any plan designed to bring him back into the game. As others have said, there is a lot that can go wrong with that plan, and his power is only mediocre (can potentially save mafia, loses his power completely if Bum dies). Obviously having a 100% confirmed towny would be a great asset for us, hopefully we will get more information on some alignments after tonight. I am most suspicious of Varpulis at the moment, but Palmar has just written a great write up of him which I completely agree with. So, for the sake of time, I will sheep instead of parrot and give Palmar a thumbs up (but not a fistpound, sorry bro.) I realize this makes a terrible townie, but this has been a busy week, so time-wise there's not a whole lot I can provide at the moment. On my lunch I will be going over yesterdays posts to see if I find anything that hasn't been brought up yet. | ||
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