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First of all tnkted why the hell have you voted for Coagulation? This needs explaining. Second I am intrigued by Palmar. I have no idea what to think about a bro but I'll keep a record of who he speaks to. Attempted fistpumps that have been returned: GMarshal Node tnkted Attempted fistpumps that have been ignored: Amber[Light] redFF BC, I like the idea of a Zodiac list but I am very surprised to see myself on it. The experience of everyone else on that list is more then ten times mine. I don't mind being on there but I'm confused as to why I am The others are all good choices. Scumhunting time! I find the following people extremely suspicious: kitaman27 tnkted Torte de Lini Tackster Kita is following exactly the same pattern as XXXIX. He has not said anything at all except tell people to shut up and posting vague accusations. In games in which he has been town he contributes much more actively. tnkted is posting extremely wierdly and I would very much like an explanation for the Coag vote. Torte is reknowned for being a heavy poster and has only 3 or 4 so far. Sure he is only in his first game, but other newbies like VisceraEyes, hiro protagonist and Karshe have been up and about providing opinions and trying to help. Tackster has already been done by Meapak and I am interested in him for the same reasons. At this stage I am voting for kitaman27. He is capable of much much more than he has been contributing and is following the same pattern as last game. | ||
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KITAMAN27 He has been stomping on anyone who tries to get discussion going, starting with BC. On May 31 2011 05:33 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On May 31 2011 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Gm isn't so bad as to instant rush to defend his mafia pal this fast into a game. At least, I would hope not. But BC is bad enough to instant rush to defend his mafia pal GM. What is the point of this exactly? You never brought this up again. This is just spreading doubt for the sake of it. On May 31 2011 08:08 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On May 31 2011 07:36 kitaman27 wrote: This thread is already way too spammy. We don't need 5 pages discussing Amber's dog noises. We don't need any further discussion of this "zodiac list" which allows people to post without contributing. k thx. Next person that posts a list gets lynched. Why? Posting lists gives a discussion point. It is much much more valuable than talking about Amber's caninity. Don't you want information to be out there? It's got everyone talking about alignments instead of roles. Do you have a problem with BC or something? The list is a starting point before scumhunting. It's much better than your starting point of a random vote. On May 31 2011 10:22 kitaman27 wrote: meh mostly a random vote to get things started. Spammy, apologetic, and posting fluff. He tells town we should be looking elsewhere, without providing suspicions of his own. On an unrelated note, town should keep in mind that mafia has additional information than they normally do in this set-up since they know their own roles and the roles they have created. So... you're voting without a reason. And no shit Mafia has extra information. Thank you Captain Obvious. Kita has done nothing to help town. He is actively avoiding discussion and is jumping on someone who was active at the start of the game. He is Mafia and should be lynched. | ||
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tnkted tnkted has a vastly different activity level from before the Day 1 post. He has 12 posts before the game begins for real and only 9 after. None of them really provide any input at all. On May 31 2011 07:22 tnkted wrote: I don't think amber can #fistpound, palmer... he can't write anything but dogtalk remember? For now, lets all stop #fistpounding. We don't know what palmer's role is, and if it has something to do with the poundage he's been getting, lets keep it as low as we can get it. Now, since we have a bunch of noobies in the game, I'll say something I always say to noobies: Be suspicious of people that appeal to their reputation. By this I mean that if you got bumatlarge telling you to drop your line of inquiry because he's the fucking batman, you should be more suspicious, not less. Not that I expect that to happen this game, but its always good to mention. What does this even mean? You don't expect it to happen but it needs mentioning? This is just clutter. On May 31 2011 07:59 tnkted wrote: Show nested quote + On May 31 2011 07:22 tnkted wrote: I don't think amber can #fistpound, palmer... he can't write anything but dogtalk remember? For now, lets all stop #fistpounding. We don't know what palmer's role is, and if it has something to do with the poundage he's been getting, lets keep it as low as we can get it. Show nested quote + On May 31 2011 07:22 tnkted wrote: I don't think amber can #fistpound, palmer... he can't write anything but dogtalk remember? <3 Stop fistpounding, yet fistpound lol. On May 31 2011 08:29 tnkted wrote: This varp wagon is a bad lynch. Look, he came up with a plan... it might be a stupid plan but thats seriously more effort than anyone else has put forward. This includes you buddy. On May 31 2011 09:06 tnkted wrote: Show nested quote + On May 31 2011 08:56 bumatlarge wrote: On May 31 2011 08:29 tnkted wrote: This varp wagon is a bad lynch. Look, he came up with a plan... it might be a stupid plan but thats seriously more effort than anyone else has put forward. Deflecting without giving an alternative. Check! Lol, ok, fair enough. I think we need to set up a system of balances in this game. The chances of the mafia being unlucky enough to have given each others roles is very slim. Therefore I propose this: If somebody claims in the thread, whoever gave that role needs to look at the claim carefully. If it lies or is an entirely different role, announce you gave that person the role in the thread. This way we can catch fakeclaims. However, this won't be very effective later in the game because the people who gave the roles will be dead, and the possibility of fakeclaiming will be much less likely. For example, I'm much more inclined to trust redff1's roleclaim if nobody claims today... since everybody will read it and the real person who gave Red's role will undoubtedly counterclaim. tldr; if your person claims a fake role in thread, say so. otherwise stfu and let them be. Ok so let me get this straight. Noone should question a roleclaim for any reason unless they are the person who gave them that role. Well that's gonna work great when everyone is dead, you said it yourself yet still advocate it. Not only that, role picking is specifically disallowed today so at least until tomorrow this idea is pointless. Deconduo has advised against roleclaiming and unless it is crucial to do so in performance of your role it shouldn't be done. On May 31 2011 10:40 tnkted wrote: deskscaress, don't bother arguing with jackal, its pointless. hes gonna do what he wants regardless of what anyone else says. And yes, this is extremely spammy for one of our games. generally we're a bit calmer. also, LOL at people pointing fingers at me. This is going to be a very different game... my role gives me the opportunity to try a new style of play. woo! #vote coagulation, in solidarity. This needs an explanation. Now. On May 31 2011 10:43 tnkted wrote: Now, a post with actual content: I don't think any of the people voting for varp right now, (kita, bum, palmar) are scummy. I think this is pretty usual behavior for kita and bum, and palmar seems to have been caught up in the wagon. This actual content post.... doesn't give any reasons for what they are doing. Are you accusing Palmar here or not? Why is his vote different to theirs? On May 31 2011 11:00 tnkted wrote: So far, we have the following data: 1. Amber is some sort of dog with a tracker/watcher role. He should be protected/bussed out of harms way tonight. 2. redff1 has a mason role. Also worth protecting. 3. Palmar has some sort of bro role. I think I have an idea what thats about, but I'ma stay mum until we know more. 4. I have some reason for not being afraid of getting killed. Hmm....... As far as that goes, I think our best bet for a lynch today is................ Show nested quote + On May 31 2011 05:54 sandroba wrote: Alright every one seems to dislike the first part of my plan, but no one has commented on policy so far. The first part which we claim what player got our role is just to make policy easier. Either way I say we policy lynch ANYONE who lies about their role. Town has very little reason to lie about their role while mafia has a lot of reasons. What are you guys' opinions about this? This is precicely the same plan I posted. The following people acted in a scummy way in response to it: Show nested quote + On May 31 2011 09:37 hiro protagonist wrote: anyone who is not asking Amber a detect question gets my vote immediately! any other talk is just filler and does not help, SO DON'T DO IT. We have two suspects in the form of Vamp and tnkted. talk about that! @kitaman: why do you suspect Vamp? Show nested quote + On May 31 2011 10:47 Mig wrote: I am gonna toss my vote onto tnkted for now. He has been floating through the thread without contributing much, which is true for a lot of people right now, but then as soon as he is criticized by bum he throws out a 5 paragraph plan which isn't even really a plan so much as it's just common sense. Maybe it is just unfortunate timing for him but it looks a lot like someone over compensating and attempting to appear town after being pressured. more coming after the break, i have to go move furniture. Sorry your plan for lynch is...........??????? How is anyone supposed to be able to tell who has lied about their role on the first day? There have been no night actions of any kind yet. You are basically just accusing people who accused you first. On May 31 2011 10:46 tnkted wrote: Show nested quote + On May 31 2011 10:43 chaos13 wrote: tnkted, what reason do you have for your vote on Coagulation? How about the fact that he isn't playing? Show nested quote + On May 31 2011 10:43 bumatlarge wrote: tnkted is a much better candidate I do believe so yes quite. *yawn* How about you actually defend yourself? How about you explain why you vote Coag? Mate you have had wierd exchanges with Palmar so many times it's ridiculous. I'm willing to bet one of you two is Mafia and I'd run with you. Something extremely fishy is going on with you and Bumatlarge as well. You aren't really doing anything to help and are my secondary candidate. | ||
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Torte de Lini Torte that last post was pure rubbish, you're number three. You are just regurgitating obvious things. You've already been given an explanation of what to post and instead all you talk about is Amber. This is complete misdirection. You claim that don't know us and can't offer opinions. It is very easy to look back at our posting history and learn about us. Read old games. You spend enough time on here to do that. It is obviously possible that there is third party, read the OP again. At this stage it is impossible to tell what the deal is with Amber so how about contributing other than bringing up the dog posts. I don't see a vote, I don't see an idea as to who we should lynch today, I don't see any comments on anything except "I'm a noob don't look at me." | ||
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On June 01 2011 01:25 Node wrote: ##Vote sandroba Also, it sounds silly, but I'm pretty sure Amber is town at this point. He's said a lot with very little and is clearly trying to help us out. Ok, so you're voting because Amber's trying really hard. Sandroba is a terrible lynch. The main reason seems to be his original plan. It was against the rules but when he posted his idea it was before deconduo clarified the rules. It might not be the best plan but he's obviously trying to help. He is accused of turning quiet. Within only 2 pages of the announcement of his plan the following people told him his idea was terrible: chaos13 Eternalmisfit Rean Varpulis Palmar Mr Wiggles BloodyC0bbler GMarshal stefftastiq redFF Mataza That is a lot of negativity to swallow, why is everyone surprised that he has gone quiet? I'd pipe down too if I was told by half the town to stfu. Varpulis, who tried to alter the plan is then jumped on next. He decides to "withdraw" and is immediately jumped on by kita and Palmar. Their plans might not be good ones but it doesn't make them Mafia. They are just trying to help, if poorly. Redtooth in XXXIX was an example of that. Their contributions are much larger than several players so far, even if they have gone quiet recently. | ||
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On May 31 2011 19:59 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On May 31 2011 15:50 DropBear wrote: KITAMAN27 He has been stomping on anyone who tries to get discussion going, starting with BC. On May 31 2011 05:33 kitaman27 wrote: On May 31 2011 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Gm isn't so bad as to instant rush to defend his mafia pal this fast into a game. At least, I would hope not. But BC is bad enough to instant rush to defend his mafia pal GM. What is the point of this exactly? You never brought this up again. This is just spreading doubt for the sake of it. Err nope, pretty sure that is just an excuse to call BC bad :p Show nested quote + On May 31 2011 15:50 DropBear wrote: On May 31 2011 08:08 kitaman27 wrote: On May 31 2011 07:36 kitaman27 wrote: This thread is already way too spammy. We don't need 5 pages discussing Amber's dog noises. We don't need any further discussion of this "zodiac list" which allows people to post without contributing. k thx. Next person that posts a list gets lynched. Why? Posting lists gives a discussion point. It is much much more valuable than talking about Amber's caninity. Don't you want information to be out there? It's got everyone talking about alignments instead of roles. Do you have a problem with BC or something? The list is a starting point before scumhunting. It's much better than your starting point of a random vote. Posting lists do not give a discussion point. I've already explained this and so have a bunch of others. People are just listing names of those who have played a bunch of games without posting content. Not only does it spam the thread, but it also gives scum the ability to blend in. Also, how on earth could anyone ever have a problem with the lovable BC? At least the random votes get a reaction like varp saying he is going to suddenly "be quiet" for the rest of the day. Show nested quote + On May 31 2011 15:50 DropBear wrote: On May 31 2011 10:22 kitaman27 wrote: On May 31 2011 09:37 hiro protagonist wrote: @kitaman: why do you suspect Vamp? meh mostly a random vote to get things started. Spammy, apologetic, and posting fluff. He tells town we should be looking elsewhere, without providing suspicions of his own. On an unrelated note, town should keep in mind that mafia has additional information than they normally do in this set-up since they know their own roles and the roles they have created. So... you're voting without a reason. And no shit Mafia has extra information. Thank you Captain Obvious. Kita has done nothing to help town. He is actively avoiding discussion and is jumping on someone who was active at the start of the game. He is Mafia and should be lynched. Heh sorry, you're a bit late on this one. You didn't have a problem with random voting in the previous game. Change of motives? Show nested quote + On May 31 2011 17:21 Mataza wrote: Barring an extraordinary defense, Kitaman27 is guilty in my eyes. You too? Bravo. This thread is already way too spammy. Oh wait, I just post BC jokes cos it's helpful. Of course lists are important, if people explain why those there are on there. On May 31 2011 08:08 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On May 31 2011 07:36 kitaman27 wrote: This thread is already way too spammy. We don't need 5 pages discussing Amber's dog noises. We don't need any further discussion of this "zodiac list" which allows people to post without contributing. k thx. Next person that posts a list gets lynched. This is the only explanation of why lists are a bad idea that you've given. If you direct me to the bunch of others and their arguments against it then I'll reconsider. Varp's "going quiet" still offers much more activity in both post count and ideas than you've been offering. A bit late on what? My "random voting" was always preceded by lengthy analysis and explanation of my reasoning. I did it again here and you haven't said anything to make me change my mind. You want to convince me? Say something of worth. Show me a more convincing target. "Lol scum" isn't gonna cut it for me when you are lurking just the same as last time. I'm not gonna get my arse bitten again. | ||
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On June 01 2011 03:14 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On June 01 2011 01:52 DropBear wrote: Varpulis, who tried to alter the plan is then jumped on next. He decides to "withdraw" and is immediately jumped on by kita and Palmar. Their plans might not be good ones but it doesn't make them Mafia. They are just trying to help, if poorly. Redtooth in XXXIX was an example of that. Their contributions are much larger than several players so far, even if they have gone quiet recently. Yo bro, I just gotta clarify this shit. I aint voting on Varpulis based on his plan, everyone can make a bad plan man. If you actually bothered to read my analysis, I'm voting for him on blatant personality change from his last game. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227186¤tpage=23#455 get yo facts strait bro, I only mention the plan as supplemental to my analysis, the main reason that bitch gonna get hanged is he's acting like a pussy. Let's see it done fellas #Fistpound DropBear First of all man, sorry but I'm not going to return your offer. I am worried about what it would do. Look at the rest of my post. It wasn't just Sandroba who was jumped on for offering a bad plan, Varpulis was as well. I'm liking the effort that you are putting in but I'm not convinced. Varpulis has been still very active and doing his best. He got timid briefly after being told he was playing poorly, so what? He's back to his normal self again now. I would put a lot of money on both Sandroba and Varpulis being town. Wiggles, what? I have to say that I strongly disagree. You are worrying me, you just seem to be jumping on the bandwagon. On June 01 2011 10:38 sinani206 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 01 2011 07:38 GMarshal wrote: Instead answer these questions. 4.) Of all the players with more than ten posts in the game at the moment, which seem the scummiest? 4) 10. kitaman27 acting like he was in XXXIX, where he was Mafia 12. Tackster useless theorycrafting 14. tnkted like i said above, useless 25. Torte de Lini so many posts elsewhere on TL. a purposeful lurker Nice to know that somebody agrees. I still think kita is dodgy as hell, if one of these others comes up as a candidate I will gladly switch to them. | ||
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Returned offer by Palmar GMarshal Node tnkted Kurumi sandroba Offered it to Palmar without being asked VisceraEyes Mataza Ignored invitation from Palmar Amber[Light] redFF Meapak_Zipph Eternalmisfit DropBear | ||
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June 01 2011 20:09 GMT
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Before I do that, can I please get an explanation from someone as to why I'm on the Zodiac lists? I thought the idea was to have good players or people who will be obvious targets. I've played only 2 games and wasn't exactly successful. | ||
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Tackster has been posting very strangely. His roleclaim post is nice enough but half of it is thanking deconduo. It's sure nice of decon to make the game for us but is it relevant right now? I'm really confused here man. Your mafia and town read list is interesting, but you haven't explained why anyone is on there. tnkted is still a high priority for me. Still no contribution, just vague threats. The fact that BC is near the top is laughable. He's tried the hardest of everyone to keep things focused. VisceraEye's vote on him is just because he finds BC aggressive and for trashing his survey. Noone has shown me anything that makes him look dodgy so far at all. VisceraEyes is the only one I hadn't looked at yet and he has a few interesting posts. VISCERAEYES He told Palmar that there is no way he would accept a fistpound then turns around and offers one without being asked. He calls out sinani206 as lurking and votes for him to bring him out. Attempts to make a discussion point with a survey which was trashed by BC. Viscera then votes BC basically because he was mean and dominating. Claims some sort of veteran role. Objects to being on the Zodiac list. Threatens BC. On May 31 2011 09:30 VisceraEyes wrote: @Palmar Given the nature of the game, I'm wary of giving you any kind of pounding of fists until I understand your role better, no offense....so don't ask. This directly contrasts with these: On May 31 2011 15:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I might loathe myself in the morning, but with company like GM, Node and tnkted so far... #fistpound Palmar On May 31 2011 15:44 VisceraEyes wrote: ebwodp: Consider that my way of saying gg for SNMMII .....Not sure what's going on here? Did you get bored or something? On May 31 2011 10:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On May 31 2011 10:22 kitaman27 wrote: On May 31 2011 09:37 hiro protagonist wrote: @kitaman: why do you suspect Vamp? meh mostly a random vote to get things started. Spammy, apologetic, and posting fluff. He tells town we should be looking elsewhere, without providing suspicions of his own. On an unrelated note, town should keep in mind that mafia has additional information than they normally do in this set-up since they know their own roles and the roles they have created. I find this point worth repeating and bolding for emphasis. Anyone who appears to be pushing someone very hard or without sufficient reason at this point should be watched very carefully. Mafia know the exact roles of at least 10 players (I don't know the exact count, but I assume it's at least 5mafia plus the 5 they created), while everyone else only knows their own and the one they created. This is a HUGE advantage that we should try and counter by taking peoples official suspicions VERY seriously. This is the most scummy post he has. It's just stating bleedingly obvious things like people starting bandwagons should be looked at and scum has more information. On June 01 2011 14:12 VisceraEyes wrote: @Cthsazsa & others concerned Right now, BloodyC0bbler is the most suspicious to me. His posts make me feel like he's speaking for the whole town, all the time. Almost as if discussions that aren't relevant to him...are scummy...period. And he's got followers, which is scary by itself. This smacks to me of a noobie getting pissed off at being told he's shite by a vet. I did this to orgolove and redtooth last game as well. He reminds me of myself. On June 01 2011 04:41 VisceraEyes wrote: FoS Sinani Sinani hasn't posted...like, ANYTHING. I'm literally picking up NO scum-reads at this point, and the analysis everyone else is posting is based on meta I'm not familiar with...so I'm going to pick on an inactive until something big happens. ##Vote sinani206 This was helpful, sinani, a non-contributing Mafia last game, came out of the woodwork only 20 minutes later. Town points for me. On June 01 2011 06:05 VisceraEyes wrote: @Karshe I found my play-style to be too erratic last game man. Yeah, I hit on Palmar before he convinced me otherwise, but only because I was building cases from nothing. I refuse to make the same mistake. Any analysis I post in this game will be well-thought out and as free of WIFOM as I can make it. Let's take last games' example. I was tunneling Palmar HARD before his brilliant play. But before the brilliant play, who believed me? And after? What support did I have from ANYONE last game? It was fully because of the way I was analyzing last game. I'm taking a different approach this game. I'm hoping I can convince more people this game. This post is contradictory to what he says later. He accuses BC of being scum just because BC attacked him. I think it's just out of ego. On June 01 2011 12:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, I've got a survey. This got done to death as a bad idea and I agree. It isn't scummy for trying though. On June 01 2011 13:42 VisceraEyes wrote: 7) Assuming you had the entire town's ear and you know everyone would believe you, what do you want to say FIRST? It's going to take two shots to kill me. Vet roleclaim. On June 01 2011 14:43 VisceraEyes wrote: @BloodyC0bbler Tell me this list-guy. Why do you think I'm supposedly on the dog's unverified list? I have no idea, as I'm obviously inexperienced and, as you say, terrible...but I suspect it's because he either knows my role or my alignment. This is a very legit question. Why is Viscera on the list? It was supposed to be for experienced/high priority targets. On June 01 2011 15:24 VisceraEyes wrote: But whatever. Teach me how awful I am, if you think you can. And if you're alive that long. I wonder if this is a vig claim of some kind? Or that he's just trying to get BC lynched. He has some strange posts so far but I do not think Viscera is scum at this stage, he has been trying to help but isn't doing a good job. The vote on BC is basically just because he's angry and I hope he changes it. He's questioning why he is on the zodiac list for reasons that I think are legitimate cos they are the same reasons why I'm puzzled to be on there. After looking at these candidates I am choosing to vote tnkted for doing a whole lot of nothing to help and just making threats. He hasn't cleared up anyone's concerns so far and doesn't seem to care. My second choice would be Tackster. | ||
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I would strongly, strongly recommend NOT medic protecting me tonight. | ||
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Posting thoughts once I've caught up. Voting Wiggles cos of the day post flip. | ||
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June 03 2011 18:25 GMT
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DROPBEAR'S THOUGHTS PART 1 OF 4 Chaos13 is extremely likely to be town and I don't understand the arguments against him There are 4 confirmed (dead) townies on the day 1 vote list, 3 of whom were fairly major targets, and he voted for none of them. His vote isn't scummy at all. He has done a lot of changing his mind, but he's pushed people quite hard. Only once he is satisfied does he leave them alone. He defended Varpulis, who flipped mole. He defended VisceraEyes, prplhz, kitaman27. He also attacked then defended sandroba, Amber and tnkted. The only person he attacked without retracting it was GMarshal, who never really responded to him or did anything to set his mind at ease. Reason for voting GMarshal and follows up with it with this explanatory post. He's been trying to keep people on track consistently. He's been generating discussion. He's been extremely open and unafraid to voice his opinions, all town traits. The only thing I don't get is his reasoning for not wanting to shoot sinani. He doesn't really explain it at all, unless I missed something -_- MAJOR ARGUMENTS FOR KILLING CHAOS13 Palmar says kill him "because he's scum". Palmar's analysis. This is based pretty much entirely on his defence of Varpulis. Chaos defended at least 5 other players who were under pressure, some of whom have flipped town and none of this is taken into account. This is just cherry-picking. redFF's reasoning for voting chaos13 is non-existent. I seriously hope your vote isn't following the same reasoning as Viscera did to BC. Targeting him cos he targeted you. Lastly chaos, I don't understand why you asked for a vigi hit on yourself. If you are town, suggesting to off yourself is a very very bad idea. Have you forgotten XXXIX already? Impervious voting for himself? AO, jaminz and elmizzt not defending themselves? | ||
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June 03 2011 18:59 GMT
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DROPBEAR'S THOUGHTS PART 2 OF 4 Kurumi is lying through his teeth and isn't to be trusted I present Exhibit A, originally presented by Eternalmisfit but his post seems to have been bypassed: On June 03 2011 06:20 Eternalmisfit wrote: Show nested quote + On June 03 2011 06:17 Kurumi wrote: Ok guys so there's couple of things. Bumatlarge chosen my role. That may but may not indicate GM is scum. I told GM everything about my role. Bum crumbs it when he talks about smelling things from far away. I am Tarp Mage and I feel KP from galaxy away. I was roleblocked,thus I couldn't use my role. At one point in the game I said I could confirm Bum being scum using my role. His roleblock claim is FALSE. I've chosen role for Prplhz. Show nested quote + On June 03 2011 06:09 Kurumi wrote: I claim killing Sandroba. Desk was a mafia hit. Varp was Palmar's hit. Prp was Node's hit. Mafia has only 1KP in entire team? Does not compute On June 03 2011 07:21 Kurumi wrote: Show nested quote + On June 03 2011 07:20 kitaman27 wrote: On June 03 2011 07:19 Kurumi wrote: You are the Tarp Mage. You can smell traps a full galaxy away! You will be notified of how much total KP is possible each night. If any night KP is used on you, you can choose to negate it for that night. You will be notified of the source (Mafia KP, Vig, bomb, etc). If that KP source can be used the next night, it automatically targets you. Your alignment is Serial Killer Fine with You,Kita? Thank you, if this doesn't match what whoever assigned Kurumi's role please claim now. Also, what was the result for your kp check last night? Roleblocked. He has claimed that he knows precisely who killed everyone. Yet he only is given the source, not precisely which player did the killing. He claims to have shot sandroba. But he was also roleblocked sooooo..... The other major inconsistency is him claiming roleblock for the KP check, yet at the start of the day gives a detailed list of who he says shot who. | ||
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June 03 2011 19:37 GMT
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DROPBEAR'S THOUGHTS PART 3 OF 4 bumatlarge is also lying and I think he's Mafia. Straight after the flip of BC: On June 02 2011 06:15 bumatlarge wrote: Well I guess I don't really have a choice but to act like a claimed SK day1. That's cool. I have to survive to win anyway, so I'll just ally with town for however long they want to keep me around. I'm bulletproof of course, so you would have to use a lynch on me, or maybe some bomb or BP-penetrating thing. Yes indeed. Whatever is most convenient for you. Just don't dare shoot me tonight. On June 02 2011 06:50 bumatlarge wrote: Show nested quote + On June 02 2011 06:23 Varpulis wrote: I've got some thoughts about tonight.
I have no clue what medics should be doing, and giving direct instructions will be beneficial to scum, so I'll let those with protective roles make their own judgements. It's good that BC is willing to work with us. Because scum can't touch you, would you mind sharing the role/alignment in its entirety? From your posts I infer that you're a survivor (3rd party), but the joker doesn't walk around unarmed. If claiming is a bad idea for a reason I'm missing, ignore this request. Sure, all the complicated stuff was similar to BC's, I would know who he is, but couldnt reveal him or get modkilled. I would copy paste the PM, but that's against the rules. It makes sense along with BCs role. I can kill every night, so occasionally he might protect them or what not. I also "somehow manage to avoid getting killed". I'm assuming that's a vest of sorts. My alignment is Serial Killer. So I'll target whoever you guys want me to. Lynch me if I don't. I benefit if I hit scum now since you guys mislynched spectacularly, and offed essentially an OP medic role. Assuming? Why on day 2 do you still not know the specifics of your role? Why have you not PMd deconduo about the specifics? They are pretty fucking important to you. Oh that's right, you haven't faked your own role PM yet. I would bet lefty that this is doctored and probably entirely written by bum himself. On June 03 2011 08:34 bumatlarge wrote: You are Jack White, otherwise known as the Joker. You are known as the clown prince of crime, the Harlequin of Hate, and the Ace of Knaves. You are a highly intelligent psychopath with a warped, sadistic sense of humour. Your only goal is to show the world the genius of your comedy. You do this by inspiring fear and chaos within the ranks of all who dwell there. You are not a standard run-of-the-mill Serial Killer. As the Joker, you can shoot every night to push your psychotic research. You also miraculously survive normal hits, leaving behind traces of your identity to the amateur killer. Lastly, your life would not be complete without your arch-nemesis Batman. At the end of Night 1 you will be informed who this is. You may not under any circumstances have this player killed. You may not reveal their role to anyone. You must converse, argue, and joke with them. Threatening them only when you must. If this player at any point in time dies at night you will know who did it. You must then push to have them lynched during the following day (but not disclosing how you know they killed your rival). If they survive the lynch, you must kill them the following night. No one is allowed to kill Batman but you. You must also survive until the end of the game to achieve victory. Your alignment is Serial Killer. On June 02 2011 09:42 bumatlarge wrote: I believe that's easy to explain tackster. The joker is my role, an SK gets a role on top of his alignment. Batman and joker obviously were added into the game by the host, and we have predetermined powers. I believe there are other normal SKs in the game. And would you really think the joker would b a town aligned role? If I had thought town was that gullible, I would have tried to tell everyone that deconduo wasn't the real host. My role leads me to believe I don't have a standard vest, as it specifically states I miraculously survive hits. Fairly certain protection piercing kp or lynch will kil me. I think you should read more into it tackster then spreading false information. I'm not going to go against win condition which is to survive. Since that mostly involves not getting lynched, I don't really have a choice in not claiming. Again, leads you to believe? You already know for sure and are hiding it. On June 02 2011 10:03 bumatlarge wrote: I dont really care what individuals say, I'll do whatever the majority wants me to so I can stay alive. My reads? I haven't really been paying much attention aside from making myself look town. I doubt I would be able to get a good scum read day 1. Rubbish. If you are SK it is of course in your interest to try and decide who is who. You are supposedly claiming to help direct town shots, you would definitely be looking at who you think is Mafia if you were truly SK. Also, good job outlining your plan. On June 03 2011 06:08 bumatlarge wrote: Roleblocked, touche scum. Of course, how convenient. DAY 1 BEHAVIOUR He doesn't say.......... anything. Read his posts. I play this game off my scum list. Well where is it? ?????? It is possible Palmar's fistpound does something :o. There's probably a lot of KP :o Herp Amber may be useful :o Voting patterns are important :o. Comes off Varpuli for no reason and jumps on tnkted for no reason. Jumps on sandroba Giving reasons for your voting is important :o All this stuff is attempting to blend in and doing absolutely nothing helpful. CONCLUSION Bum is lying about his role. He is actively avoiding looking for Mafia which contradicts the purpose of his claim. After the flip his only real choice to survive was to claim what he did. He was trying to blend in like hell previously to this. I think he is in fact Mafia not SK. | ||
DropBear
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June 03 2011 19:40 GMT
#1658
DROPBEAR'S THOUGHTS PART 4 OF 4 Other assorted tidbits - Bringing back BloodyC0bbler is an excellent idea. He's already flipped town. He's an expert player. Why not bring him back? I don't agree with the worries raised by Amber and others that his role could protect Mafia. From the looks of things, there are so many killing roles that the only time it could possibly harm town would be if he was still alive with only 5-6 players left and the only shot being a Mafia shot. - Wiggles' claim of framed and his night action bussed is theoretically possible. Theoretical. It is however bullshit. The chances of everything lining up so perfectly are astronomically small. It assumes that there is a bus driver, it also assumes that there is a framer. There then has to be him being framed, which is 1/31 chance, plus sinani being bussed with precisely deskcaress which is some stupidly small number. The chances of all these things falling perfectly into place are negligible. There is also this post which I credit for starting the ridiculous sandroba v redFF v Jackal58 melee and completely derailed town for several pages. Not only this, he was jumping on whatever bandwagon was gaining speed at the time without starting any of them. His scum flip is no real surprise. This claim of being DT checked because he was on a zodiac list is rubbish. The point of the zodiac lists was NOT dt checking those on it. - I still don't understand why I'm on the zodiac lists and I would LOVE an explanation. - This thread is reeeeeeeeally hard to read. Please stop posting every little thing that comes into your head, only post if you have something important to say. I'm having massive problems getting scumreads cos its just spam spam spam. Keep it concise and need-to-know. - The level of roleclaiming is ridiculous. My spreadsheet can't keep up with the notes. There is so much information out there now that Mafia can use and I encourage everyone who has not roleclaimed yet to stay silent, at least until you have something very important that requires revealing yourself. -GMarshal if you were roleblocked, how the hell are you supposed to have added someone to your mason circle? Or is that a day action? - Fistpound list Day 2 Returned fistpound that was offered by Palmar Offered to Palmar without being asked Kenpachi Rean Kurumi Mataza tnkted Cthsazsa hiro protagonist steftastiq sinani206 Refused/ignored invitation from Palmar deconduo can you please update the list of people who have died and the important post links in the OP? | ||
DropBear
Australia4191 Posts
June 03 2011 19:45 GMT
#1659
Also redFF whoops sorry forgot about your role Do roleblocks on Kurumi block his night shot, his KP check or both? | ||
DropBear
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June 04 2011 14:55 GMT
#1713
On June 04 2011 04:47 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I didn't start that stupid argument on day 1, that was just redFF being bad again. Mista Wiggalina Mista Bob Wiggalina Mista Bob Wiggalina won't you quit? You really make me sick with your fraudulent behaviour You're gonna make me flip and then an army couldn't save ya Why don't you behave you little rugrat Take a little tip from the tabloid, because I know I'm not paranoid When I say I saw ya tryin to mock me Now you and your crew are on a mission tryin ta hawk me But it isn't happenin you fraudulent foes You used to front big time now I suppose That everything's cool since the style of apparel you adopted You used to make fun of but now you wanna rock it So you gotta kick it with the homies But DropBear is already hip to your cronies Me and deskcaress thought about this and never have we seen a Townie who could look like Mista Mista Mista Wiggalina Mista Wiggalin Mista Bob Wiggalina Mista Wiggalina Mista Bob Wiggalina Oooo, oooo Mista Wiggalina, ya thought you could manipulate You thought that you could fool me, ooo , oooo Mista Wiggalina Teacher used to put me in a slump And then he schooled me Your friend bum can be fraudulent, just you wait and see First he was your moneygrip then he stole your honeydip Mista Wiggalina is a serpent don't you agree? A little two-timer, resembles bumatlargaaa With suit and a dirty red hoodie Seems like he wouldn't be a snake or would he? Disguises come in all shapes and sizes Notice the facade of the snakes They all catch the vapes Even though last year they was GGQ Took a lot of time Before DropBear could see through The mask, all I had to do was ask The hamper worth and Kwame And my man responded they would bomb a Fraudulent foe with the strength of Kurumi The way you on ma dick must have really hurt your knees You need to take heed and stop being such a groupie Ever since I did a little show in Guadaloopieee I never saw a groupie like you But what the funny is You wanted to be down with townie crew But DropBear is not down with any clowns or jesters So I would suggest that you try and impress uncle Bum Wiggalina Because you don't impress me Wiggalina The style of dress is not key Wiggalina It's all in the mind and the heart so you should start By remembering you gotta pay your dues Wiggalina Mista Wiggalina Mista Bob Wiggalina Mista Wiggalina Mista Bob Wiggalina YOU IS DEAD WIGGALINA | ||
DropBear
Australia4191 Posts
June 05 2011 15:06 GMT
#1897
Once again, do not medic protect or rolecheck me. | ||
DropBear
Australia4191 Posts
June 06 2011 16:20 GMT
#2144
Meapak has died because of me. I asked people not to medic protect or dt check me. I should have said night actions of any kind -_- him using a night action on me activated my passive ability and killed him. Anyone claiming to have shot him is lying. I will be back at uni tomorrow where I have full internet access again and will get caught up and post my thoughts. | ||
DropBear
Australia4191 Posts
June 07 2011 17:10 GMT
#2438
Can someone summarise for me very quickly why Palmar is a major lynch target? I still don't trust bum. | ||
DropBear
Australia4191 Posts
June 07 2011 17:21 GMT
#2445
Why is shooting a mole an obvious scum play? It'd be very stupid scum play. A lynch vote for a scumbuddy is one thing, using a KP on him is something else entirely. If he's an assassin the Varpuli kill makes perfect sense. Vote staying on bum. | ||
DropBear
Australia4191 Posts
June 07 2011 17:30 GMT
#2455
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DropBear
Australia4191 Posts
June 07 2011 17:47 GMT
#2474
Vote staying where it is. Goodnight all. | ||
DropBear
Australia4191 Posts
June 08 2011 07:13 GMT
#2681
First of all, the rampant finger-pointing needs to stop. Everyone is yelling at everyone. Calm down so we can find the patterns from this. The Palmar lynch was a huge mistake but it has given us plenty of information. Stop going schizo at each other and form some rational arguments. Bumatlarge is getting lynched tomorrow. Once again, it would be unwise to use a night action on me. | ||
DropBear
Australia4191 Posts
June 09 2011 08:36 GMT
#2860
Bum is dying tonight via the bomb so any votes for him are a complete waste. I'm seeing a lot of lists here but no actual analysis. "Probably town" needs something more to back it up. Voting Torte for now due to Rean's rolecheck. | ||
DropBear
Australia4191 Posts
June 09 2011 09:14 GMT
#2865
ON HIRO PROTAGONIST Hiro is on both votecheck lists provided by Rean. He has much lower activity than many of the players remaining. DAY 1 Jumped on the Viscera Train late, helping it get over the line at the last minute. The only reasoning given is this: On June 02 2011 05:49 hiro protagonist wrote: unless vis steps up, I might switch to him at this point DAY 2 Once Mr Wiggles is brought up as red: On June 03 2011 06:45 hiro protagonist wrote: Show nested quote + On June 03 2011 06:44 Cthsazsa wrote: On June 03 2011 06:40 hiro protagonist wrote: On June 03 2011 06:34 Cthsazsa wrote: GUYS! I promise Wiggles is lying. I created Desk's role and I specifically stated in the pm that I sent in that, "If you are killed, your killer's alignment is revealed to everyone". I am begging you guys, please do not believe wiggles, we need to lynch him first before we kill anyone else as he is a Confirmed Scum Mr. Wiggles, If you created desks role, and you where scum, and you knew you had a framer, you would do it... That is a HUGE wifom and a HUGE "what if". Why are you so easily defending him, scum?. If someone kills Wiggles now, and he flips green, you guys will know I am scum. But I promise you, the above will never happen. because I know something you dont. Which is????????? On June 03 2011 06:57 hiro protagonist wrote: Ok, Wiggles does have a gun. I was not sure about Cthsazsa being town. still not. but Im not gonna trap him like I thought I could. It now seems very implausible that Wiggles is town. but It must be a lynch and not a bullet. ##Fistpound Palmer No shit it's unlikely he's town, he was flipped in the day post. Only now it is obvious he is toast are you willing to admit this. You don't have a choice except to bus anymore. On June 03 2011 07:01 hiro protagonist wrote: Show nested quote + On June 03 2011 07:00 Cthsazsa wrote: hiro why are you suddenly changing your mind about Wiggles? Because no one else believes you? I honestly can't tell if your just a bad town or bad scum. I gave you my reason Which was???????? On June 03 2011 07:20 hiro protagonist wrote: OK, we have are lynch targets for today: Wiggles, Bum. which should we off first? on one hand, we know wiggles role. and he still has one more bullet to use. not good. I am not confident Bum has his powers. Wiggles might be the best lynch for tonight. But then the God Damned Batman yells out from his grave and says for us to lynch sinani? I am confused as too why this was allowed, and what intentions are behind BC statement. This is classic nothing post. Brings up lynch candidates but doesn't want to commit either way, then tries to divert discussion into BC's post. On June 03 2011 14:53 hiro protagonist wrote: Why do I get the feeling that theres a lot of talking going on outside this thread. -_______- guess I will just have to wait till people come back here. some thoughts: Wiggles has got to be the vote. As jackal pointed out, there is very little chance that Mafia could have planed that. They did not know his role, I did. (unless he revealed his role in some mansion pm, but that does not sound like wiggles, or there is some daytime dt). It also makes sense for him to use his bullets, as if he is hit, he has no more of them. good to get the most use as soon as possible. The only thing that bothers me is Desk as a hit. why kill him, as he was not terribly useful imo. should the very unlikely happen and Wiggles flips green, Cthsazsa becomes my top suspect, as he gave sinani his role. ##vote Mr. Wiggles There is not a lot of discussion about the God Damned Batman's after death statement. I would like to hear what people have to say about this. Why did he say Lynch? does he know that it would not bring him back? does he think hes scum? Writing this, I realize no one can answer it. But it bugs me. Im fucking confused Tries to divert onto Cthsazsa and divert onto the BC discussion again. He only switches over once it is apparent that there is no chance in hell of Wiggles getting out alive. DAY 3 On June 08 2011 04:06 hiro protagonist wrote: Im back. First, I want to say Im sorry. I pulled a bit of a kiti and soft raged quit after night 2. I was frustrated at the amount of town on town killings in 2 days. I was also frustrated that most of the real discussions seemed to be going on in mansion circles, which I was left out of... I did not know who to trust, and I had no leads. I felt useless Now I come back to see a lot of really good discussion and leads. this has to be the turning point for us. I read up through the thread and have decided to vote Palmar. I am pinning my hopes on this because If Palmar flips scum then I can finally trust Jackal and GM. something I have been hesitant to do. ##vote Palmar Ok so he goes after Palmar, someone who he didn't have on his radar, over bumatlarge who he was talking about Day 2, for the sake of being able to trust people he doesn't trust? On June 08 2011 04:20 hiro protagonist wrote: Show nested quote + On June 08 2011 04:14 Cthsazsa wrote: On June 08 2011 04:13 hiro protagonist wrote: sorry Cthsazsa. you have been the model townie, in my eyes 100% green. thanks for being such a work horse for us. are you gonna switch your vote? if so why? cuz you are the one I trust the most. And what have you done that helps town? Nothing. You and Sinani alike have been lurking almost the whole game. Not the whole game -___- I was mostly active up till night 2. But I do deserve some lashing for my disappearance. I am sorry. Also, Palmars defense of me really makes me think he is mafia at this point. I don't see how anyone could say I'm mostly town... So you vote Palmar, because he defends you? This is just weak reasoning for jumping on the train. DAY 4 On June 09 2011 08:06 hiro protagonist wrote: This needs to be talked about more. We can not leave it to chance that bum will die. I think we should lynch him NOW. He should have been the last lynch. towns got plenty of KP that can be put on people likely to die from it. we got Palmar. Letws Lynch Bum Bum is almost guaranteed to die to the bomb. What kind of role would be bulletproof day and night? That would be stupidly overpowered and there's no way deconduo would have allowed it. You are trying to stop the scum team losing 2 people in one day. On June 09 2011 16:02 hiro protagonist wrote: Show nested quote + On June 09 2011 15:51 Barundar wrote: Why would town lynch bum? I don't even get the reasoning, he claimed bullet proof at night, not at day. Seems like a poor attempt to waste a KP for town. This is not over yet guys. waste a KP? hardly. I don't believe a word bum says. your argument does not prove anything, The fact of the mater is, we don't know if that bomb is gonna kill him. Others are worried too. I just was talking about other options. And yes, this is far from over. the last thing we need to do, is waste KP on a townie. I would rather save bullets for known scum. We have a DT. check me. I will vote with town. after the night, then we see who is scummy If Torte survives tonight, there's more roleblocks the following night. Same as the previous point. Trying desperately to save Torte. CONCLUSION Hiro has actively tried to derail the Wiggles and Torte lynches. He has been on last second trains on Viscera and Palmar with little or poor reasoning. He tried repeatedly to derail town concerning the BC post which was irrelevant at the time. He is on the votecheck lists. Hiro Protagonist is Mafia. | ||
DropBear
Australia4191 Posts
June 09 2011 09:22 GMT
#2867
On June 09 2011 18:17 Palmar wrote: And I'm shooting that mafia tonight Good | ||
DropBear
Australia4191 Posts
June 10 2011 10:05 GMT
#2913
What happens to Mig though? On June 09 2011 06:55 stefftastiq wrote: I KNOW The joker planted a gas cannister ong MIG with 1 day timer The joker attemted to kill Rean BUM IS SCUM 4 SHO | ||
DropBear
Australia4191 Posts
June 11 2011 11:10 GMT
#2992
Palmar I still can't fistpound you safely. Everyone else, get on! The plan of lynch Jackal and shoot Barundar is a good one. Palmar is getting less and less fistpounds as people die so taking out the serial killer now instead of in two instalments is a good idea. Rolling with this yo! Cthsazsa this confuses me. If Karshe was scum, why would he bomb bumatlarge? He managed to guarantee the death of two Mafia on one day. He could easily have bombed someone else or "waited until he had more information". The actions don't add up. | ||
DropBear
Australia4191 Posts
June 12 2011 07:38 GMT
#3113
Why redFF is the remaining Mafia redFF has the role of interrogator. He has been steadily building up knowledge of all the roles that were either unrevealed or difficult to determine at the time. I think he's been using it to coordinate the Mafia hits. VOTING His voting, while necessary for his role, allows him to escape taking sides on anything important. He can throw wild accusations freely without any accountability should he be wrong. He could easily have picked any of the lynch targets to mason and get some info to share with the town. From my understanding of his claim, there was nothing to stop him from switching his vote onto someone meaningful either. Day 1 Votes and masons Amber. Gets information on his role that noone else can get. Day 2 Votes and masons chaos13. Avoids voting for Wiggles. Day 3 Votes and masons Rean. This was the most critical lynch of the game and he stayed right out of it. Not only this, Mafia attempts to shoot Rean that night, before his DT claim was made public. Day 4 Votes and masons Eternalmisfit. Mafia shoot EM that night. Day 5 Votes and masons Cthsazsa. BEHAVIOUR During the game, redFF's contributions have basically been abusing players. There has been no analysis, no reasoning, just yelling at people. It's just been spam and all caps posting which has made the thread much, much harder to read, which is definitely pro-Mafia. red spent 2 days tunnelling Mataza, distracting from any other discussion. He went after Torte only after he was pretty much dead following the roleblocking enlightenment. He is only acting on accusing people once DT checks or role abilities are used and he has no choice anymore. He has been extremely unhelpful otherwise. redFF is Mafia. | ||
DropBear
Australia4191 Posts
June 12 2011 07:47 GMT
#3115
GMarshal was roleblocked by Torte on Night 1. If he was Mafia, there is no way they would have allowed this to happen. I don't believe Jackal58 for a second on his assassin claim. He suddenly busts out a super Mafia list now that he's been revealed by Rean. He has every reason to lie about it. Cthsazsa and Amber I have no idea. Lynch Jackal58 today, Palmar shoot Barundar tonight, then we lynch redFF tomorrow. | ||
DropBear
Australia4191 Posts
June 12 2011 07:52 GMT
#3118
On June 12 2011 16:47 Cthsazsa wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 12 2011 16:38 DropBear wrote: Why redFF is the remaining Mafia redFF has the role of interrogator. He has been steadily building up knowledge of all the roles that were either unrevealed or difficult to determine at the time. I think he's been using it to coordinate the Mafia hits. VOTING His voting, while necessary for his role, allows him to escape taking sides on anything important. He can throw wild accusations freely without any accountability should he be wrong. He could easily have picked any of the lynch targets to mason and get some info to share with the town. From my understanding of his claim, there was nothing to stop him from switching his vote onto someone meaningful either. Day 1 Votes and masons Amber. Gets information on his role that noone else can get. Day 2 Votes and masons chaos13. Avoids voting for Wiggles. Day 3 Votes and masons Rean. This was the most critical lynch of the game and he stayed right out of it. Not only this, Mafia attempts to shoot Rean that night, before his DT claim was made public. Day 4 Votes and masons Eternalmisfit. Mafia shoot EM that night. Day 5 Votes and masons Cthsazsa. BEHAVIOUR During the game, redFF's contributions have basically been abusing players. There has been no analysis, no reasoning, just yelling at people. It's just been spam and all caps posting which has made the thread much, much harder to read, which is definitely pro-Mafia. red spent 2 days tunnelling Mataza, distracting from any other discussion. He went after Torte only after he was pretty much dead following the roleblocking enlightenment. He is only acting on accusing people once DT checks or role abilities are used and he has no choice anymore. He has been extremely unhelpful otherwise. redFF is Mafia. You're ignoring the fact that your name is on the list of scum that Jackal provided. Are you going to address that or hope no one notices it and let it slide? His entire accusation of me is "bum told me so." Why should I bother responding to it? He's been caught and he's trying to shit the place up before he goes. I'm not worried about being on his list at all. | ||
DropBear
Australia4191 Posts
June 12 2011 07:56 GMT
#3119
On June 12 2011 16:50 Cthsazsa wrote: Despite everything you listed DropBear, hardly any of that incriminates redFF as scum. Why not? Avoiding taking sides on anything important? Common Mafia trait. Getting free access to information not available to anyone else and failing to use it for town benefit? Pro-Mafia. Rean gets shot before anyone has any idea what his role is? And redFF masons him right beforehand? Huge Mafia play. Shitting up the thread to make it difficult to scum hunt? Pro-Mafia. Tunnel the same guys for 2 days straight when he's far from the town focus? That's what I did when I was a Mafioso in XXXVIII. | ||
DropBear
Australia4191 Posts
June 12 2011 08:20 GMT
#3121
On June 12 2011 17:07 Cthsazsa wrote: Jackal has every reason to lie about it? Wtf are those reasons? Jackal's been revealed, his game is over, there's no chance in him winning anymore. Why the hell would he make that up, just to screw town over? Hell, Jackal has been playing better then some of the townies here. As for Karshe, he had no choice but to put a bomb on bum. That's the only reason to even consider he's green. That is his only alibi. Go back and read my two posts if you don't believe me when I say he's scum. As for GMarshal, he definitely isn't living up to the town-leader expectation that everyone seems to have of him. The fact that he was roleblocked even more causes me to believe that he's not scum but 3rd party. Ruling out the chance of having 3 assassins with the only pitiful argument that "We would have found one by now herp derp" is the shittiest excuse ever. For all we know and with the way this crazyass game plays, Amber could be the 3rd assassin and I wouldn't be fucking surprised if he was. I'm actually starting to consider that Jackal's list might legitimate. Lynch Barundar, shoot Karshe, Jackal claims he will shoot GM, and lynch Jackal tomorrow. We can figure shit out from there. Of course he has every reason to lie about being assassin. If he is SK, he has night lives and Palmar wouldn't be able to kill him. More information would come from the night and there's a larger chance he could divert the lynch onto someone else and survive til the end. As for Karshe, there are plenty of things he could have done. He could have claimed that he can only plant a bomb every two days. He could have claimed that he only had one bomb. He could have claimed that there wasn't enough information. He could have claimed roleblocked. You really really want this guy dead don't you. I'm sticking by him. Karshe is town. Convince me why we should lynch Barundar instead and I will vote with you. Jackal is anti town. There is a HUGE chance if we leave him unlynched he can kill a townie tonight. Barundar can be easily killed tonight. There is at least one more Mafia so the anti town KP remains at 1. Lynch jackal, anti-town KP is 1. Lynch Barundar, anti-town KP is 2. If there's something I'm missing, tell me. | ||
DropBear
Australia4191 Posts
June 12 2011 08:28 GMT
#3126
He has been playing poorly in spearheading the Palmar mislynch. He has however been very active in generating discussion and posting reasoning for what he does. He hasn't been content to sit back and rely on the roles to do all the work like most of us have. He's been trying to help and I am strongly optimistic that Marsh is town. | ||
DropBear
Australia4191 Posts
June 12 2011 08:33 GMT
#3128
Barundar, redFF and Cthsazsa are the remaining Mafia. Everyone else is town. | ||
DropBear
Australia4191 Posts
June 12 2011 08:56 GMT
#3139
On June 12 2011 17:49 Cthsazsa wrote: Show nested quote + On June 12 2011 17:33 DropBear wrote: Jackal is SK Barundar, redFF and Cthsazsa are the remaining Mafia. Everyone else is town. Wait so now I'm suddenly mafia? Explain plz DropBear your play this game has been very poor overall. On June 11 2011 15:49 Cthsazsa wrote: EBWOP: Updated Palmar's lynch, Palmar lynch bumatlarge Eternalmisfit Kurumi Jackal58 Karshe GMarshal Amber[LighT] Cthsazsa Rean Karshe's flip will reveal some pretty good shit. Color his name red and that clears the Dog. It ain't Karshe. It ain't GMarshal. It ain't Jackal. It ain't Rean. I seriously doubt it's Amber. It has to be you. The only other possibility is Amber and I feel much worse about you than him. | ||
DropBear
Australia4191 Posts
June 12 2011 08:59 GMT
#3141
On June 12 2011 17:53 GMarshal wrote: Show nested quote + On June 12 2011 17:49 Cthsazsa wrote: On June 12 2011 17:33 DropBear wrote: Jackal is SK Barundar, redFF and Cthsazsa are the remaining Mafia. Everyone else is town. Wait so now I'm suddenly mafia? Explain plz DropBear your play this game has been very poor overall. Before you call people bad, care to point out how many scum you've lynched? Oh, right you can't. Because every single scum that died except for scumatlarge was a dt led lynch. So stop putting on airs, and commit to an opinion. Who of the remaining players, not counting barundar is mafia? I'll give you a hint though, DropBear is mafia. Ok Marshal, this a bit random. Why are you suddenly gunning for me? | ||
DropBear
Australia4191 Posts
June 13 2011 04:40 GMT
#3200
I will vote to lynch Cthsazsa tomorrow. Karshe is town. | ||
DropBear
Australia4191 Posts
June 13 2011 04:45 GMT
#3201
On June 13 2011 06:17 GMarshal wrote: Who should we lynch tomorrow? (Hint: DropBear ) On June 13 2011 06:43 Palmar wrote: The biggest suspects for me at the moment are Karshe (why didn't you just bomb joker after n1, instead of killing mataza and then bombing him) and DropBear ..... Why are you two gunning for me all of a sudden? I can't exactly defend myself unless someone gives an actual reason than "I think he might be." I've seen no good arguments against Karshe either. | ||
DropBear
Australia4191 Posts
June 14 2011 05:13 GMT
#3248
My role is the Paranoid Paratrooper. I can choose to spend one night in my plane, making me immune to all night actions. The first two nights that I am visited and am not in my plane, I involuntarily gun down anyone visiting me at night. I am town aligned. I've used the first one of my gunning nights, when Meapak visited me on night 2. There is one more night which I take down anyone who visits me, plus one night when I can activate night immunity that doesn't kill my vistitors. Pretty much the only way for me to die now is via lynch, unless Palmar sacrifices himself to take me down when I'm not in my plane. I haven't been doing fistpounding because I PM'd deconduo on the first day asking if I would kill him if I did and his reply was very vague and basically said you have to work that out. I've been backing Palmar since early in the game so I didn't want to risk killing him accidentally. I made Barundar's role. He never used the leprechaun vote as far as I can tell so I never called him out as being Mafia because of it. I figured it would be easy to attack him when he used it to get someone over the line but he never did. | ||
DropBear
Australia4191 Posts
June 14 2011 06:35 GMT
#3250
REBUTTAL OF GMARSHAL Gmarshal's analysis of me. - First of all the lower activity point. Last game I did indeed post much more than this game. I was probably the most active person in the game. However, I successfully spearheaded a mislynch on AirbladeOrange, and was solely responsible for the clincher in elmizzt. I overdid it and I've tried to be more measured this game. Not only this, I had basically no internet access for about 5 real time days. I wasn't really able to post anything meaningful on days 3 and 4. On June 14 2011 06:29 GMarshal wrote: Fine, I agree, let us for a moment disregard the fact that our good friend is posting *far* less than he did as a productive member of the town. And lets not even take into consideration the high probability that a Paranoid Gun Owner role would land in the hands of the mafia team, as that too is fruitless speculation. I really don't get this at all. If you are trying to imply that I am Mafia because of my role, that is poor reasoning. Role does not equal alignment. BC had a role where he could have medic protected Mafia. VisceraEyes' role didn't exactly do good things. kitaman27 had pretty much exactly the same role as Barundar. - The question at tnkted was not useless speculation, it was quite direct. - The list of fistpounds came before we knew what they did. Considering how many people were getting involved it was crucial to find out what they did. Someone, I can't remember who, suggested it be done and only I had the initiative to stand up and do it. - You say that I am avoiding being on the zodiac list. Read my quote again. On May 31 2011 15:23 DropBear wrote: I don't mind being on there but I'm confused as to why I am I was unfamiliar with zodiac lists and trying to understand what I was doing on them. Noone gave me an explanation after several days so I dropped it. - How is presenting people who I think are scummy and then presenting arguments as to why scummy? You call my analysis of kita and tnkted crappy yet conveniently don't reference them at all or say why, they are just crappy. If you want to say that I diluted the lynch too much, look at XXXIX. My day 1 scum list had 7 people on it and there were only 6 Mafia lol. This is certainly an improvement. On June 14 2011 06:29 GMarshal wrote: Let us look at another post that piqued my interest shall we? We can call this the "association" exhibit. Show nested quote + On June 01 2011 01:52 DropBear wrote: On June 01 2011 01:25 Node wrote: ##Vote sandroba Also, it sounds silly, but I'm pretty sure Amber is town at this point. He's said a lot with very little and is clearly trying to help us out. Ok, so you're voting because Amber's trying really hard. Sandroba is a terrible lynch. The main reason seems to be his original plan. It was against the rules but when he posted his idea it was before deconduo clarified the rules. It might not be the best plan but he's obviously trying to help. So far this actually seems like a townie post, you know the whole "bad play =/= scum" thing, he gets no town points for defending sand, as a scum love to defend townies, but he does get a logic point He is accused of turning quiet. Within only 2 pages of the announcement of his plan the following people told him his idea was terrible: chaos13 Eternalmisfit Rean Varpulis Palmar Mr Wiggles BloodyC0bbler GMarshal stefftastiq redFF Mataza That is a lot of negativity to swallow, why is everyone surprised that he has gone quiet? I'd pipe down too if I was told by half the town to stfu. An useless list that adds fluff to his post and a deeper justification of sand's behavior than is needed, it is once again trying to hard to seem town, after the first paragraph is when most townies would have cut their argument, with perhaps one line devoted to this, but DB needed to make his arguments look convincing. Varpulis, who tried to alter the plan is then jumped on next. He decides to "withdraw" and is immediately jumped on by kita and Palmar. Their plans might not be good ones but it doesn't make them Mafia. They are just trying to help, if poorly. Redtooth in XXXIX was an example of that. Their contributions are much larger than several players so far, even if they have gone quiet recently. Here is the gold. Read this paragraph twice, its *that* relevant. This is a preemptive defense of their mole, he was trying to head off vigilante shots before they happened, it obviously didn't work out, but its an association that is rather relevant What on earth do you mean a deeper justification of sandroba than is needed? He was about to get lynched! What would pro-town play be, just to lie back and let him die? How is trying to make my arguments convincing scummy? Isn't that what you are doing yourself with your analysis of me? Varpulis was in precisely the same boat. Sandroba made the original plan and got shat on. Varpulis tried to alter it and then HE got shat on. I wasn't trying to link them, they were already linked. On June 14 2011 06:29 GMarshal wrote: DropBear then has a nice little spat with kita, all about how kita is lurking just like in XXXIX, but the entire argument is based on meta. Its still an attempt at pushing lurkers, but I have to wonder why db chose kita, when there were more evident targets. That by itself fails to convict DB, so I suppose that so far its a null tell. Your opening point in this flowery speech was that I am a lurker and tried to bring into account MY meta. I do it to kita and am scummy, yet you do it to me and are not? Double standards. Not only that, you finish off by saying it's a null tell. Why did you include this at all? It's just filling space. On June 14 2011 06:29 GMarshal wrote: This ladies and gentlemen is what we call "I don't care who gets lynched" 1.) no mention of his number 1 suspect, kita or a justification of why he no longer cares for kita. 2.) its throws some suspicion on tnkted, drawing the town into yet another worthless discussion about odd votes. 3.) Brings up Tackster who wasn't under any real focus at the time, and diverts even more votes off the main lynch targets. Of course I cared who got lynched. I was defending sandroba like you wouldn't believe. If I didn't care who got lynched I would have let him die without defending him. Throws suspicion on tnkted? I'd already posted detailed analysis on why I thought he was scum. He was second on my 4-person list. He still hadn't explained the vote. I voted for him lol. If you want to claim that I'm being Mafia because I suspected tnkted then you should probably highlight the much much more important things I did to try and get him killed. Tackster was also already on my list of 4. Saying that he wasn't on the table is an out and out lie. He was very very much on the table. Meapak had been pushing him already. He came third in the final voting. As for "the main lynch targets" there were 14 people with votes on them. I dropped my vote on kita. If I hadn't that would have been 15. Claiming that I diluted the lynch is rubbish. Not only this, you voted for BC of all people. I was much better at narrowing down targets than you were. On June 14 2011 06:29 GMarshal wrote: His following three posts are notable, I'll put all three of them in the same spoiler, for ease of reference + Show Spoiler + On June 01 2011 19:33 DropBear wrote: Show nested quote + On June 01 2011 03:14 Palmar wrote: On June 01 2011 01:52 DropBear wrote: Varpulis, who tried to alter the plan is then jumped on next. He decides to "withdraw" and is immediately jumped on by kita and Palmar. Their plans might not be good ones but it doesn't make them Mafia. They are just trying to help, if poorly. Redtooth in XXXIX was an example of that. Their contributions are much larger than several players so far, even if they have gone quiet recently. Yo bro, I just gotta clarify this shit. I aint voting on Varpulis based on his plan, everyone can make a bad plan man. If you actually bothered to read my analysis, I'm voting for him on blatant personality change from his last game. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227186¤tpage=23#455 get yo facts strait bro, I only mention the plan as supplemental to my analysis, the main reason that bitch gonna get hanged is he's acting like a pussy. Let's see it done fellas #Fistpound DropBear First of all man, sorry but I'm not going to return your offer. I am worried about what it would do. nothing really scummy about being suspicious I guess ^_^ Look at the rest of my post. It wasn't just Sandroba who was jumped on for offering a bad plan, Varpulis was as well. I'm liking the effort that you are putting in but I'm not convinced. Varpulis has been still very active and doing his best. He got timid briefly after being told he was playing poorly, so what? He's back to his normal self again now. Now theres no subtlety in this, he is brute force linking Sand and Varp, with the hope that sand will really get lynched and Varp will be cleared of all suspicion, for a while at least I would put a lot of money on both Sandroba and Varpulis being town. See, Varp, who isn't even being discussed is having credit bought for him by DB. Its a clever play, and one that will buy DB credit too when sand flips green. Very clever play, but a little too obvious. Wiggles, what? I have to say that I strongly disagree. You are worrying me, you just seem to be jumping on the bandwagon. Throwing light suspicion on a scumbuddy so they aren't tied together later, but understating it so that theres no chance of an actual case being assembled. When I was mafia I *loved* these weak FoS, as they made cred easy to gain, just light FoS and then talk about how right you were. Show nested quote + On June 01 2011 10:38 sinani206 wrote: On June 01 2011 07:38 GMarshal wrote: Instead answer these questions. 4.) Of all the players with more than ten posts in the game at the moment, which seem the scummiest? 4) 10. kitaman27 acting like he was in XXXIX, where he was Mafia 12. Tackster useless theorycrafting 14. tnkted like i said above, useless 25. Torte de Lini so many posts elsewhere on TL. a purposeful lurker Nice to know that somebody agrees. I still think kita is dodgy as hell, if one of these others comes up as a candidate I will gladly switch to them. Nice switch to Tackster then right back to kita as soon as someone agrees. Again "I don't care who dies as long as they aren't a team mate On June 01 2011 19:35 DropBear wrote: Also what's with me being on all these lists? I didn't realise I was so highly thought of. "I am a noob please, please don't pressure me! On June 01 2011 19:47 DropBear wrote: Fistpound List Returned offer by Palmar GMarshal Node tnkted Kurumi sandroba Offered it to Palmar without being asked VisceraEyes Mataza Ignored invitation from Palmar Amber[Light] redFF Meapak_Zipph Eternalmisfit DropBear Complete fluff and cause of suspicion in and of itself, scum love posting lists, its an easy way to "contribute" For the lazy 1.) Linking sand and varp to buy cred for his mole 2.) Doesn't care about who is lynched 3.) "I'm a noob, take me off those pressure lists" 4.) Light FoS on scum to distance 5.) fluffy posts -If I was really hoping sandroba would get lynched, why did I continually fight for him? And you saying that a possible switch from Tackster to kita is indicative of me not caring who gets lynched, you are already forgetting the list of 4 people I posted who I thought were scummy. They were both on it. I was happy to vote for either because I thought they were both Mafia. -Varp was DEFINITELY on the table, Palmar was pushing for him like there was no tomorrow. You are mistaken. I had them linked because they were both talking about the same issue. I didn't link them, THEY WERE ALREADY LINKED! -I'm a noob yes, but I never said take me off. I wanted to know why I was on there. -Wiggles directly attacked what I was saying. I was defending myself. -I've already covered the fistpound list. Palmar himself was grateful for it. It was made to show patterns later once Palmar activated his ability for the same time. It was useful and I would argue still is. Why is asking about why I'm on the lists scummy? Me being on there completely contradicted what I thought the purpose of the things was. Your favourite post from me on VisceraEyes is so much your favourite that it doesn't get much analysis. Oh wait, probably because it was a) correct and b) was opposite to what you did by voting BC. I clearly said that I believe Viscera was acting like a noob towny with a bruised ego. Most if not all of his actions could be explained by the fact that he was noob town being told he was shit by a veteran. I backed him and was correct. Suddenly that makes me Mafia? What do you mean by pointing out the glaringly obvious? If everything I said was obvious, why did he get lynched? I pointed out Kurumi was lying. You say I make no suggestion as to what to do about it. How about ignore him? Isn't it obvious that's what I think we should do? Your link to my hiro analysis is actually redFF analysis. But whatever. This is my analysis of hiro. I went after him because he actively defended Torte de Lini by trying to get bum lynched when he already had a bomb on him, because he was on Rean's votecheck list, because of his low activity and because of his atrocious reasoning of voting for Palmar. He not only refused to defend himself but absolutely noone argued with me. I sure didn't see you come running to his rescue. Why were my arguments against redFF poor? You just say that they are and don't explain. On June 14 2011 06:29 GMarshal wrote: He's been pushing bad lynches and behaving scummily all game long, while trying to *look* pro town. Not trying to help the town, but trying to look pro-town way too hard, rather than trying to win, he has been trying to build cred while misdirecting the town. Been pushing bad lynches? I was on Wiggles day 2, bumatlarge day 3 and Torte day 4. I was on Jackal day 5 because it was bleedingly obvious it was better for everyone to get him then vig Barundar. That's a pretty stellar record if I don't say so myself. Trying to build town cred while misdirecting town? This is pretty rich coming from someone who managed to spearhead the PALMAR lynch over BUM of all people. This analysis all looks HEAVILY manufactured Marshal. Your analysis contains severaI points that are completely incorrect. I have you pegged as town because of the roleblock by Torte but this is pure rubbish. You already led an atrocious mislynch on Palmar. Try harder next time. | ||
DropBear
Australia4191 Posts
June 14 2011 06:44 GMT
#3251
On June 14 2011 10:41 GMarshal wrote: Wonderful plan. Oh wait, you forgot that the list isn't infallible, I'm 80% sure theres a miller out there, for balance purposes. And a Godfather type role is probable. Your plan would be wonderful, except if we follow it and follow your plan, and there is a miller and a mafia outside the list then we lose. I'm betting that thats the case, and I'm betting that you are the mafia outside the list. You are desperate to silence me before the town listens to me and realizes "fuck, dt roles aren't foolproof". I'll agree to the plan on three conditons. 1.) You prove rean isn't mafia and just playing us 2.) You prove the only mafia left are on that list 3.) You prove there are no millers. Guess what, you cannot fulfill those conditions, so I will not agree to that plan. I'll execute steff, If I find evidence that his is mafia, otherwise you are shit out of luck -Rean was saved by EM Night 3. How is there any REMOTE chance that he is Mafia? -There is a possibilty that there are more Mafia off the list, but that would bring the total up to 8. 8 Mafia and 2 serial killers out of 33 is quite a lot of anti-town players. -There are no millers in the OP. Why are you 80% sure there are millers? | ||
DropBear
Australia4191 Posts
June 14 2011 06:57 GMT
#3252
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DropBear
Australia4191 Posts
June 15 2011 04:39 GMT
#3339
Doesn't that bother anyone? There are four possibilities and I'm the ONLY CANDIDATE? With absolutely noone arguing against it? The only person who has actually laid a case is Marshal and his case is terrible. steff is in no way confirmed. redFF if you know something about Amber that we all don't you need to get it out in the open. At this late stage there is no point in hiding. | ||
DropBear
Australia4191 Posts
June 15 2011 07:12 GMT
#3341
Every single one of his big pieces of news have come after they had already been confirmed in the thread. It is oh so easy for anyone to do that. You've got it wrong guys. stefftastiq is the scum you're looking for. | ||
DropBear
Australia4191 Posts
June 15 2011 07:32 GMT
#3346
He hasn't done ANYTHING to help. You are correct, I missed that one time in which he produced some new info. However, when he told of the crazy cat lady, it was obvious that had to be you. Everyone else had either open claimed or we knew the majority of their role mechanics. It hasn't been used to help anyone. Ignore the role for a second. Look at his actual behaviour. He voted to save Torte de Lini on Day 4. He hasn't done any scumhunting at all, just going along for the ride. He's just stated that he's busy with real life. Well guess what, I had an exam last Friday, one yesterday, one today and another one tomorrow, plus a catastrophic internet failure for nearly a week, yet still went out of my way to get to a computer and post some analysis. He's using it as an excuse to avoid contributing. What pro-town actions stefftastiq? You haven't really made ANY actions. You've been content to sit back and let town fuck around without offering anything concrete at all. He's voting because Palmar says so, more saliently because he knows it's a mislynch. | ||
DropBear
Australia4191 Posts
June 15 2011 07:48 GMT
#3347
On June 15 2011 05:03 redFF wrote: I was the first to make a case against TDL. Actually mister, I think you'l find that it was ME who first pointed him out. With my first post of the game in fact. On June 14 2011 20:42 redFF wrote: Everyone agrees that Dropbear is the lych, no argument there Doesn't this concern you at all? That there isn't even an alternative? This isn't like the bum or Wiggles lynches where it was screamed at us in the day post. I'm on the list yes but 5 other people are as well. On June 14 2011 09:46 Palmar wrote: I like the dropbear lynch, as he can never be cleared anyway. If he flips red, that's no clearance for anyone though. Palmar you said yourself that it doesn't bring any new information to kill me off. Cthsasza, none of this makes sense. Read my rebuttal again. I never asked to be taken off the list. I just wanted to know why I was there. You say yourself that you didn't know what was so bad about Varp. I didn't do anything fluffy, I said "these people are scum and should die." That's about as unfluffy as you can get. How much scumhunting has stefftastiq done? None How many original opinions has he offered? None How many times has he stated "I am a noob" outright in one of his posts? More than I have fingers to count. How many players left have less posts than stefftastiq? None. STEFFTASTIQ IS MAFIA. | ||
DropBear
Australia4191 Posts
June 15 2011 10:26 GMT
#3352
On June 15 2011 18:30 Palmar wrote: PGO stands for paranoid gun owner, the role you claimed (IE: you kill anyone that visits you). Also, you misunderstand me, killing you doesn't clear anyone pushing for your kill, but of course it reveals information. Rean's list has two mafia on it, so your flip actually gives information on that list. But I'm against lynching for information anyway, I want to lynch you because I think Rean is telling the truth and I think you're the scum. Why do you think I'm the scum though? I'm not doubting Rean at all. Why not stefftastiq? | ||
DropBear
Australia4191 Posts
June 15 2011 23:29 GMT
#3445
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DropBear
Australia4191 Posts
June 19 2011 04:18 GMT
#3649
Game-winning move: Eternalmisfit saving Rean. We could easily have won this if that hadn't happened. No list-check meant we would have steamrolled, even with Palmar resurrected. Congratulations EM! You are MVP in my opinion. Barundar, we should have listened to you about the leprechaun! If we had lynched Palmar maybe Jackal58 would have helped us out. We didn't know Amber[Light] was a medic role so we thought we could kill Rean that night. Sorry to my teammates for being quite inactive, I've been in exam period. I'd like to think I went pretty well undetected. GMarshal once again it was fun! Bum, Wiggles and Barundar, was nice being on the same side unlike last time where you guys tore us apart . And to Torte de Lini, I hope you play again! I think you could be real good at this game with some practice! This was a really fun setup, would love to play again. So many laugh out loud moments, the Palmar lynch, Viscera killing BC, Marshal convincing Palmar to shoot redFF Now that the game is over, could someone please tell me why I was on the zodiac list? I didn't know whether to be happy, sad, frightened or whatever why I was on them! | ||
DropBear
Australia4191 Posts
June 19 2011 15:23 GMT
#3659
On June 19 2011 16:27 Amber[LighT] wrote: Lol my zodiac list was my scum list. I wanted Redff to post it for me on Day 1 to see what would happen. I also wanted to use that list to get a reaction out of him. I was pretty convinced he was pro-town when he didn't question the list or get offended by who I chose. I also put viscera on that list so mafia would think he would be a good shot target since I made his role. I didn't think he was going to get lynched day 1. Was I that obvious day 1? I tried to play exactly as I did in the previous game. And deconduo, for PTP2, maybe get people to pick roles for someone else still but don't tell them who they are picking for? | ||
DropBear
Australia4191 Posts
June 20 2011 07:21 GMT
#3672
Keep the game in the thread. Torte de Lini was being hassled when he posted in other forums. Noone should have to put up with that any time they post outside the Mafia forum. It's distasteful. | ||
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