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On June 15 2011 04:11 Cthsazsa wrote:
I still don't understand how GM is scum.
because he is opposing shooting into a list confirmed to have 2 scum by a confirmed dt lol.
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On June 15 2011 04:17 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 04:12 Cthsazsa wrote:On June 15 2011 04:02 redFF wrote:On June 15 2011 03:47 Cthsazsa wrote:
Rean I'm just ignoring red for now. All he's done and been doing is calling people scum without a good reason and shouting 'IF WE DONT SHOOT THIS LIST WE LOSE". lol, circumstances have changed. I know you are mad I called you scum yesterday but there is no reason to not listen to me when what I am saying is correct. What reasons do we have not to believe this list? GM is trying to convince everyone it is inaccurate because he knows he is screwed if we just kill into this list and win the game.  Wait, why all of a sudden is GM scum? You never explained your reasoning. And "he's on both lists" doesn't count. Its because I want people to think, rather than depend on blues, stupid of me, I know, but hey, a man can hope, right?
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lol I am thinking but to ignore A VOTECHECK FROM A CONFIRMED DT WITH NO REASON TO THINK THAT THERE IS A MILLER is idiotic.
Yes Gmarshal being on both lists is suspicious, TOWN HAS TO KILL INTO THIS LIST, IT IS THE ONLY RATIONAL THING TO DO.
Gmarshal was the main force behind palmar getting lynched over Bumatlarge lol.
If you guys actually listen to this guy and don't shoot into this list then you are idiots. I've gone from being thought of as town to being questioned and doubted because I brought up a perfect plan which would result in scum's loss and of course GM is trying his hardest to prevent that.
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On June 15 2011 04:36 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 04:33 Palmar wrote:On June 15 2011 04:26 GMarshal wrote:
Cths, you up for just lynching RedFF? I'm pretty sure that from his desperate behavior he is mafia, and we can just have palmar shoot DB tonight.
Or we can do it the other way around, I don't care ^_^ yeah, I'll shoot DB and die a horrible death. Damn, forgot he was a pgo. Nvm then. Shooting redFF then ^_^
lolololololololol
this is dumb and nothing more needs to be said, Palmar you know what to do, Medics should protect outside the list.
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exactly, ignoring a votecheck with 2/4 scum by a confirmed dt would be one of the dumbest things i have ever seen a town do. We have to shoot into that list and GM should be the first shot because he is the scummiest and has kp.
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How have I exposed 3 dt's?
I pushed for bum to be lynched over Palmar, but you idiots just followed GM. I have been totally open with my role and targeted people with it with results. I was the first to make a case against TDL, I pushed hard for Wiggle's lynch. I admit attacking Mataza wasn't correct but there is no way you can look at his posts and not think they are scummy as fuck.
You killed Kurumi, scum have just as much of an incentive to kill SK's as town.
You didn't kill Jackal lol. Rean inspected him and he came back black so we lynched him. Neither of these actions have made you "more townie".
Gm will continue with this bs about PYP:I and how he doesn't want me to win when he couldn't regardless of what I say. Just don't listen to his ramblings and lynch dropbear, shoot him. GM you should still sacrifice steff if you are town obviously because then he is probably the other scum.
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On June 15 2011 05:06 GMarshal wrote:
Who made sure jackal died when people were all like "lol he is assassin"? yeah i'm pretty sure he was going to get lynched whether you were here or not lol
Who called out bum on his bs Night 1? everyone
Who just provided the damning evidence that will kill DB? he was getting lynched anyway
Who pegged redFF as the last mafia? LOLOLOLOLOLLOLOL, if anybody else seriously thinks i am scum please come forward with reasoning
My comments in bold.
GM you keep calling out for people to analyse and provide reasons if you call someone mafia so why not do it for me? It shouldn't be difficult if i am so clearly scum.
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If you are town than the worst thing you did is saying that if you flip green i am auto-scum. I'm just pushing the logical ideas here, which are killing into the list with 2/4 scum made by a confirmed dt. GM is too good to do that as town.
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that would work except i said you were scum before you said there could be a miller lol. Even if what you were saying is true, you mentioned millers, i called you scum, that doesn't make me automatically scum lol.
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Steff how much have you and GM been pming each other since he added you to his pm circle? Have you guys had a lot of pro-town discussion? Has he given a reason for inducting you? Look at the timestamp for this post and tell me how much you guys have been making use of your pm circle.
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On June 15 2011 05:47 Rean wrote:
Some things that everyone seems to be getting wrong here:
- Lynching Wiggles DOES NOT qualify as town points because it was pretty damn obvious.
- Lynching Palmar DOES NOT qualify as scum points because Palmar derped and decided claiming assassin was a brilliant idea, effectively placing him along bum in the confirmed scum category. There, the logical thing to do was lynch Palmar because he would likely have more KP.
- Any lynches after this barely qualify for town credit because they were all fairly straightforward. The only thing that deserves town points is GMarshal stopping town from fucking up and lynching Barundar (when lynching Jackal was clearly the better move). Ask yourself, why would a mafia GMarshal do that?
- redff, you HAVE been outing DT's carelessly and needlessly. After I told you my results, you instantly went into the thread to say that Torte de Lini was 100% mafia. Anyone with half a braincell could've figured out what happened. You revealed my role when there was no reason to because Torte de Lini could have easily gotten lynched.
Right now I agree with GMarshal on RedFF and DropBear. I don't see why everyone considers Amber so pro-town,but with him being hard to analyze I suppose they have a point.
You really buy his bs and think I'm scum. Rean i even sent chaos the huge post i made about TDL and asked for him to OK it and he did.
Original Message From chaos13: That looks excellent. All I would add at the end is calling for a vigi hit on him tonight. I think Palmar would be the best choice for killing him tonight, since bum and kurumi are supposed to be shooting each other tonight (lol) Show nested quote +Original Message From redFF: Here is my post on Torte de lini, tell me if its ok KK Torte De Lini, A couple of things about him. Firstly, we all know Torte is crazy active in the forums, and that he has been posting just as much as always the last few days. He's been streaming too so we know he is around and able to post/play. Lets look at some of his posts from day 1 On June 01 2011 05:51 Torte de Lini wrote:On June 01 2011 05:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On June 01 2011 04:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
FoS Sinani
Sinani hasn't posted...like, ANYTHING. I'm literally picking up NO scum-reads at this point, and the analysis everyone else is posting is based on meta I'm not familiar with...so I'm going to pick on an inactive until something big happens.
##Vote sinani206 Wow this is a pretty scummy post. You're picking up no scum reads because all the analysis is based on meta? Read through the thread again, that is simply not true. Rather than read through the thread and trying to draw your own conclusions though, you're simply going to vote a complete inactive and wait for "something big" to happen. Veeery bad town play my friend. How is that scummy at all? I don't understand, to me it's just ignorance which is individual-based and not mafia or town oriented at all. Sounds both bad mafia and bad town in my opinion. This is no different than the original inquiries to people who were just posting fluff and/or pointless shit (this could be considered one). Bad town play, perhaps, but by default that makes one mafia? How many mafia players are in this game anyways? If anything I'd vote Kurumi, what with what was posted previously. It's not directed at anyone in particular and it seems to be just side-stepping after throwing up his hands in the air from his previous post:" Sure,then do something I can discuss about." That's all I really have to say to be honest, the rest I don't really feel warrants much input or views. I mean, you guys are extracting a lot of ideas over very little. Guess that's even less contributory from me D: I'm trying dammit D:< Shitty nothing post, terrible reasoning for voting someone, obviously hasn't really been reading the thread. I bolded his reason for voting, doesn't give any reasoning just says "because of what someone else said on him" lolololol. On May 31 2011 16:12 Torte de Lini wrote:
Hi!
Yeah, I've been posting everywhere else, just not here. Not quite sure what to say or do~
Like... today's Day 1 and we're just prodding and poking hoping someone slips up (somehow). What have we figured out so far? We have a favored dog who can't say or do anything (so basically we're playing 20 questions with a canine) and uh... someone quick to role-claim when under very little pressure (right?).
The rest is just people trying to lift the blankets off guys like me who have no idea what to do :B
I don't really follow or consider the ideas of posting "fluff/pointless" stuff to be anything worthwhile or notable yet, so there's not much for me to lead with or get an idea for.
Doesn't help that I barely know any of you guys.
So uh... I know this is a moot point, but how do we know the dog is on our side, can there be a neutral alignment in this game too? I might be bringing up a silly idea, but trying to throw some thing out there to consider or of worth. Another crappy post. Repeating what has been said. STating the obvious. Emphasisinng how newbie he is and has no idea what is going on... On May 31 2011 08:37 Torte de Lini wrote:Wow, this game is so damn utterly fast and confusing. Does it tone down after Day 1? I hate the idea of not being to edit, so I'll just ask all my questions in one basket. - Does the posting speed tone down after Day 1?
- So... how do we figure out anything on Day 1 to eventually lynch someone?
- If saying fluffy and pointless things are bad, what are we intended to say?
- I like kitties better than doggies D:<!
Yeah i have to post something but I'm not gonna post anything opinionated or really anything useful at all. From Torte's day 1 posts we can gather that he refuses to post opinions and doesn't really want to get involved in doing any actual scumhunting. Now day 2 is where it gets a little more interesting. Firstly, somebody asks if he has a posting restriction. On June 04 2011 00:40 Karshe wrote:Torte, do you have some sort of posting restriction, or is your activity just low? Here's the list from Rean that you were talking about, it's on Page 75. + Show Spoiler +On June 03 2011 07:03 Rean wrote:A quick list of dead roles/last will etc so far, will update with claimed stuff and other information that has been claimed in the thread in a bit - Kurumi
- Karshe
- Mr. Wiggles
- deskscaress
"You are the Possessed. You're the materialization of a disembodied spirit!
You are capable of murdering someone with your bare hands, but that person will be chosen at random and you can only do it once.
If you are lynched, the last person to vote for you will immediately suffer a painful death.
If you are killed, the killer's alignment will be revealed to everyone.
"
- GMarshal
- Palmar
- Eternalmisfit
- sandroba
You are the Painter. You're an artist, a man of creativity and come from a river of wit and inspiration. Each night you can paint any other player to another role you see fit. As a painter, your works are only 2-dimensional, they cannot come to life and thus any person you paint as a different role, doesn't mean they actually play that role, they just appear as that role when investigated.
- chaos13
- kitaman27
- Kenpachi
- Tackster
- Varpulis
You are the Police Chief. You have day and night abilities, but you must choose which one to use. You are limited to one action per cycle. You may only use each ability once, but if you use all five you may start again.
At night
-You can inspect any player, revealing their alignment.
-You can arrest a player and throw them in prison. This will roleblock them, but also prevent them from being actioned against.
In the day
-You can interrogate a player, finding out who they targeted the night before.
-You can set up surveillance on a player, this will allow you to see who visits that player the following night.
-You can order your forensics department to perform an autopsy on one of the players that died that night, they will scrub the body for evidence and be able to name one player that visited that person last night..
- tnkted
- hiro protagonist
- redFF
- sinani206
- Node
You are the Indie Rocker! As you have the best music taste in town, you don't need to get involved with the daily ramblings, and instead deal with problems yourself at night. You can get mad and kill people because of their terrible taste in music once per night.
However, your ego is pretty high. In case you haven't hit a mafia and killed him/her by day 4, regardless of your alignment, you will turn emo instead and kill yourself. Hey everybody,
If you're reading this, I'm dead. To save you the questions that would probably consume the thread for pages the way it's been going, I'm able to write this due to someone else's ability, not my own.
I shot prplhz. I figured that if both myself and BC find him as scummy as we do, it would be worthwhile. Sorry if he was town, but I stand by my decision.
Lynch bumatlarge over anyone and everyone else if he didn't kill a scum last night. I guarantee you town has more KP than it could ever need -- just look at my role, and imagine if there were only two more similar ones around somewhere. I know at the very least I gave a role with more than one KP. Plus, ask yourself, why would Batman "retire" if the Joker were dead but not the other way around? Nah, being SK is waaaaay too convenient.
I've reconsidered on chaos13 -- reading over his posts he's done less than I thought he did. This doesn't mean he's mafia or town, just don't spare him because I said he was town earlier. Lynch bumatlarge first.
Finally, Palmar is probably town, Varpulis is probably scum, Tackster is still probably scum (but if bum is scum, he's probably not), and GMarshal needs to post more.
KISSES XOXO,
Node
- bumatlarge
- Mataza
- Mig
- VisceraEyes
"You are the Veteran Zombie. You have been around the block. You've been in many other Team Liquid mafia games, and you've always managed to land a kill but not without getting yourself taken out.
Even though your destiny is to die to take another soul to the grave, you've learned a few skills to evade death. You have two lives and you are able to take another person of his choice with you if you get killed. Your ability activates automatically upon death"
- Amber[LighT]
- BloodyC0bbler
"You are the Goddamn Batman. You are the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So the town hunts you because you can take it. You are a silent guardian, a watchful protector, a dark knight. Role-claming as Batman at any point of the game will get you lynched. However, since you are well disguised as Bruce Wayne, role checks on you come back as Playboy Millionaire.
Every night you go ahead and protect the first person being targeted by a KP. However, you are truly incorruptible and do not let scum die out of some misplaced sense of self-righteousness and thus protect that person regardless of their alignment.
Your Arch-Nemesis, the Joker, is bumatlarge. He knows who you are but can not cause your death. You may not reveal his role nor can he reveal yours. If he dies, you will retire from your life of fighting crime, satisfied that the city is safe."
- Torte de Lini
- Cthsazsa
- Barundar
- Meapak_Ziphh
- DropBear
- prplhz
You the Coward. You can survive a lynch once thanks to your fast legs and knowing every dark place in this town. You can also decide to leave your home at night once. Any actions that are attempted on you that night will be redirected to other people visiting you. If only one person visits you that night they will be told "You couldn't find Your target
- stefftastiq
- Rean
- Jackal58
Then as soon as it is asked, Torte jumps at his chance!!! On June 04 2011 00:48 Torte de Lini wrote:
I have a posting restriction. So what we can gather from his "posting restriction" is that he is allowed to say that he has one. So if he cannot post much during the day, why didn't he tell us this beforehand??? Also I don't think anybody has come forward and confirmed this restriction. Also if you had a posting restriction where you cannot post much why would a town player waste a post with one line??? He could have done some analysis and add on the fact that he has a posting restriction but nope he won't do that because he won't post any opinions on his reads because he is scum. FInally On June 03 2011 11:04 chaos13 wrote:
Torte, since you're here right now, do you think GMarshal is scummy? On June 04 2011 00:12 Torte de Lini wrote:
Palmar: I'm so confused, so much to read @________@! Palmar, can you kill people? If so: your penetrating hit can probably kill serial killers right? Can you confirm this for me, because then you can kill Bum or Kurumi. Save us a day of lynching them, right.
In fact is Palmar here? I am having trouble finding your posts dude.
I mean I guess it's pretty obvious that Wiggles is scum... so I know who I am voting for. But what do we do about
Oh and I wrote for Sandroba if that helps you guys, but everyone knows his role already D:
I need to find that list that was made awhile back.
Chaos13: No, not really, what did he do? I'm going to ignore how awful this post is and focus on the last part. Torte de Lini roleblocked GM last night. Why would you block someone you don't think is scummy??? BECAUSE YOU ARE SCUM
I am being 100% transparent and clear, there is no evidence for me being scum, and there is 2 goddamn votechecks both making GM very possibly scum, not to mention his huge increase in posting in the last few days, and being the main force in switching the lynch from Bum to Palmar.
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If the list dies and there are not 2 scum on it then won't town just kill me and i lose????
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On June 15 2011 05:59 stefftastiq wrote:Show nested quote +Steff how much have you and GM been pming each other since he added you to his pm circle? Have you guys had a lot of pro-town discussion? Has he given a reason for inducting you? Look at the timestamp for this post and tell me how much you guys have been making use of your pm circle . We havent made any use of the circle - I just said it probably wouldnt be to nice to put me in the circle to kill a townie. Basicly because I logged on, saw I had a new Pm about been put in a circle, and the latest post in the gamethread was for him to sacrifice me!
Alright GM if you said you weren't going to kill him why did you add him to the circle and not discuss anything with him through pm's? Seems a bit pointless really, wouldn't it be better to add someone you thought of as scum to the circle or someone you wanted to talk too?
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On June 15 2011 06:01 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 05:57 redFF wrote:
If the list dies and there are not 2 scum on it then won't town just kill me and i lose???? You could squirm out of it, + by that point the game is at lylo, you need to force a single mislynch. Thats why I forced you to play your hand. If there is one mafia outside of db and you then you insta win. Its your only bet to victory.
On June 15 2011 05:06 GMarshal wrote:
There is no third mafia.
Alright blatant contradiction. After all you have said if you flip town I am dead lol, so me forcing a mislynch shouldn't be a huge problem.
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omg if you guys don't want to kill into the list then there is nothing that can be done to help you.
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Yes DB that is why GM is sacrificing him tonight while Palmar shoots GM. We have a list of 2/4 mafia and we are killing into it, the most likely mafia dying first and then going down the list.
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Does nobody find it weird how GM just expects everyone to believe we have millers in the game with absolutely no evidence. Palmar you know what to do lol. This is getting ridiculous.
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1/2 chance of hitting scum Cthazsa, and using odds to do it is wrong because there is external evidence. Of course we kill into the damn list with 2/4 mafia.
Rean if you are referring to Chaos13 here is his role
You are the Whistleblower. Once per night, you can track a player by stalking them, recording their actions and taking note of their visitors. If you do not reveal any of this information openly, when you die all the information is leaked in the Night/Day post you were killed in. Your alignment shows up as Black regardless of what alignment you are.
He comes back black to dt checks and votechecks
Your votecheck counts scum, if there was a miller similar to Chaos13 in it then it wouldn't effect the list if he is town and if he is mafia then there are 3 in there. There is 0 proof we have a miller in the game and to not kill according to a list given by a confirmed dt with a history of being correct with votechecks and lynches is idiotic. Rean you're not stupid and you're not scum, it's very clear that we *have* to kill into your list.
If anyone thinks i am scummier than GM lol. I'm done for the day, Palmar you know who to shoot, GM if you are town sacrifice steff, if you are scum you will probably do it anyway but it doesn't matter because you have lost if Palmar shoots you. Please take back that ridiculous statement that if you flip town I am auto-scum, no way that is true. If you are town then I dunno wtf you are doing, I put forward the most pro-town plan and really the only rational thing to do going forward. Palmar shoot GM, If i am dead tomorrow then i dunno wtf lol.
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On June 16 2011 02:23 Palmar wrote:yeah, if DropBear flips scum I'm shooting you.
why?
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