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Radfield
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On May 29 2011 09:08 GMarshal wrote:
I agree the mafia should have shot me. I have no idea why they didn't maybe they want to create a wifom scenario, maybe they thought medics would be on me, perhaps the stars weren't alignd. I have no way of knowing, ask Ace after the game is over, I'm sure he'll have an explanation.
The rest of your posts are "Accusing" me of asking questions to make people think. That is very damming indeed mr Radfeild. So asking questions and refusing to accept things like giving the mafia a door out make me scum? This case is as strong as the case against Orange (my) by Blue (sandroba) in experimental mafia, meaning not at all. I apologized for being late because it is my habit in games to be around for day/night posts, and I felt like I was robbing the rest of the town of valuable time to discuss said results.
Strawman
Your case is laughable, lynching for information *is* bad play, I voted caller because there was evidence against him was damning, not for information.
Then why the flip flop?
You have no case caller, you are upset that I put doubt on your "plan", because for all I know you could be the mole, this overraction to my doubting you makes me suspicious of you. This case is less convincing than caller's case on Kav, and we now know that that was trumped up case. Bring better evidence caller, last time I checked asking questions and trying to avoid falling into mafia traps was town behavior. If I were scum I would have lied day 3 and would now have a larger team, rather than being on my own. You however claimed you would bus your whole team to victory.
OMGUS, linking to the Kav lynch, contradiction
If you are going to accuse me make your case more convincing than "he is apologetic and asks questions, oh and he is alive"
Strawman
How bout you respond to the whole post next time.
Also, I thought you wanted to be lynched today, you know, to confirm the list and all  . Why not just shrug your shoulders and say "fine, lynch me, but go after x, x and x". It was no big deal to lynch you an hour or two ago. Is it a big deal now that I call you out? Another flip-flop?
Or is it that now because my accusation is so obviously trumped up you feel the need to stick around and make sure that scummy radfield gets taken down?
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Radfield
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I'd expect nothing less GM. We'll let the jury take it from here.
No hard feelings if you decide to go this route, but I want the town to lynch you next after I flip green ^_^
Ouch, another bad scumtell. You flipping green has absolutely zero bearing on whether I'm red or green. The only thing that has bearing on my alignment are my posts and actions. (I actually just read that in Ver's thread today, thanks Ver!). I was wrong about Barundar night 1, but that didn't make me scum, it made me wrong. Thankfully, I don't think I'm wrong about you.
All of a sudden because I attacked you I am now more scummy than Eiii or Kitaman, the players you were pushing as likely scum just a moment ago. That might just be the definition of an OMGUS.
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Radfield
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moley moley moley moley moley moley moley
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On May 29 2011 09:42 Foolishness wrote:
If Eiii is not going to die tonight, he should check Meapak to confirm his claim.
I assume this means your down for voting GM?
Also, role claims are fairly unimportant right now. We all started as town, so we all have townies roles. No need to lie about them.
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On May 29 2011 09:57 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2011 09:51 Radfield wrote:On May 29 2011 09:42 Foolishness wrote:
If Eiii is not going to die tonight, he should check Meapak to confirm his claim. I assume this means your down for voting GM? Also, role claims are fairly unimportant right now. We all started as town, so we all have townies roles. No need to lie about them. I'm still thinking about it. The way I see it is that meapak is the only one who could be lying about his claim. kitaman should die tonight.
So you think Kita and Callers argument was staged?
GM is the mole, it's all there to see.
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So your assertion is that instead of lurking my way to victory, I decided to go on a random rampage against a random townie(not even the consensus scummy townies).
Plan a) Lynch Kita, then kill foolishness, then lynch eiii, then kill bum. Now all i have to do is outtalk meapak into lynching you, which I can almost assuredly do(I just build a massive case today, why not wait till two days from now).
Plan b) Stick my neck out and spotlight myself in an attempt to kill GM, (which would then solidify the list) instead of going after two extremely easy lynch targets in Kita and Eiii.
Is this your reasoning for thinking I'm scum, because it's awful.
If you flip green(5-10% chance) then I'll happily defend my actions from the wrath of the town tomorrow. But I am about as certain on you flipping red as I get.
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Oh and there was no contradiction with me voting Caller, I had one list with a top suspect and a list that had been narrowed down to one player who had to be scum, I was lynching someone I knew to be mafia and saving my other suspect for later while calling it out in case I died.
So why did you directly contradict yourself:
"If the DT would rather do something else then we probably have no choice but to lynch Caller tomorrow, which I would rather not do, as lynches for information are terrible play. "
This is not " saving your other suspect". You went from opening the day by voting to him, to all of a sudden not really wanting to vote him off, despite the fact that it's YOUR listcheck. Not only that, but you add as an excuse that "lynching for info is a terrible play". Exactly at what point did lynching caller go from being about him being scum, to being about information?
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lol, you were always part of the list. At no time were you confirmed, bum and foolishness were. Lynching you is not "lynching outside the list" in any way, shape or form.
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 29 2011 10:30 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2011 10:28 Radfield wrote:
lol, you were always part of the list. At no time were you confirmed, bum and foolishness were. Lynching you is not "lynching outside the list" in any way, shape or form. Yes it is. Fact: there is a list with four players, one is scum 100% its Rad, kita, Eiii and mepak. we have three lynches. One of the people on that list can prove himself to be not scum/force the mafia to shoot him, so we have three people and three lynches. One is guaranteed to be scum. Lynching me leaves us with three people and two lynches. Three is oftentimes greater than two. So lynching me *is* lynching outside the list.
Look, I can see you're going to press this, so let's break it down.
You come out with a list of 4 names, one of which is scum. However, there is another option, and that is that you are scum, and are lying to us.
So that gives us 5 potentially scummy players:
Meapak
Radfield
Eiii
Kitaman
GMarshal
THIS IS THE LIST OF THE POTENTIAL MOLE
Any lynches inside this list are valid, as any could be the mole. That is all.
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On May 29 2011 10:28 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2011 10:21 Radfield wrote:Oh and there was no contradiction with me voting Caller, I had one list with a top suspect and a list that had been narrowed down to one player who had to be scum, I was lynching someone I knew to be mafia and saving my other suspect for later while calling it out in case I died. So why did you directly contradict yourself: "If the DT would rather do something else then we probably have no choice but to lynch Caller tomorrow, which I would rather not do, as lynches for information are terrible play. " This is not " saving your other suspect". You went from opening the day by voting to him, to all of a sudden not really wanting to vote him off, despite the fact that it's YOUR listcheck. Not only that, but you add as an excuse that "lynching for info is a terrible play". Exactly at what point did lynching caller go from being about him being scum, to being about information? I *would* rather not lynch for information, but it was necessary we had to prove it one way or another, it is bad play but it was necessary, which is why I wanted a dt check, which we got, which proved him to be red. I don't see the contradiction, something can be bad play by policy and still be necessary
I'm going to push that caller post of yours, because it is a dead scum give away.
Please answer these two questions:
1) When did lynching Caller become about information, as opposed to us actually thinking he was mafia.
2) Why did you change your opinion from wanting to lynch Caller at the days outset, to not wanting to lynch Caller later in the day.
Oh and I'm glad that you point out your encouragement of the DT visiting Caller, the NRA member.
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Radfield
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On May 29 2011 10:39 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2011 09:57 Foolishness wrote:On May 29 2011 09:51 Radfield wrote:On May 29 2011 09:42 Foolishness wrote:
If Eiii is not going to die tonight, he should check Meapak to confirm his claim. I assume this means your down for voting GM? Also, role claims are fairly unimportant right now. We all started as town, so we all have townies roles. No need to lie about them. I'm still thinking about it. The way I see it is that meapak is the only one who could be lying about his claim. kitaman should die tonight. Are we sure Foolishness isn't the traitor? -_- Why should I die? I have the ability to extend the game with a save.
Honestly, I've thought about it. His play this game has been kinda non-existent and it makes no sense to go after you right now. Keep in mind that GMarshal "checked" his role last night as well.
If GM flips red though, and we're still playing, then foolishness is for sure the traitor. For now it's a moot point.
Not to sideline the current conversation, but I bet 100$ that foolishness does not have a role that can be confirmed through a night action. Anyways, we get Eiii to check him tonight, and that settles the dispute.
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Radfield
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Meapak, Bum and Eiii, you guys seriously need to get in here before the day ends.
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On May 29 2011 10:50 GMarshal wrote:
There is no contradiction, I had a town read on caller, but the information against him was pretty damning, which is why I preferred a DT check him, so that if the information was wrong he could be spared, and my list checks could be proven invalid, sure, I'd rather not lynch players whos posts make me think they are town, but I'll always go with a dt check over my instincts, as they are often wrong, so yes, I was ok with lynching him when he was the only check we had to go on even if there was a possibility of a frame influencing the check, however an opportunity arose that would avoid the lynch if I was wrong, I wanted to seize that, so I did.
it became a lynch for information when people said they were doing it to check the veracity of my lists, which is why I made the point that lynching for information is bad.
Any other points you would like to bring against me?
Do you know why I die night 1 and 2 so often? It's because I put in the time, and check EVERYTHING that people claim:
it became a lynch for information when people said they were doing it to check the veracity of my lists, which is why I made the point that lynching for information is bad.
Not once, not ONE SINGLE TIME, did anyone bring up lynching caller to "check the veracity of your lists",between the time you so strongly voted Caller, and the time you decided that you would "rather not" lynch him.
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Radfield
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On May 29 2011 10:59 Foolishness wrote:
Okay we can kill GM now. Eiii claimed rolecop correct?
Correct:
Radfield: Bulletproof (confirmed)
Bumatlarge: Bad Santa (Confirmed)
GMarshal: M2DT(Confirmed)
Eiii: Role Cop(Unconfirmed)
Kitiman: Medic(Unconfirmed)
Meapak: Meth Man(Unconfirmed, but breadcrumbed)
Foolishness: Unknown
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Radfield
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On May 29 2011 11:02 GMarshal wrote:
oh and I forgot.
##Unvote
##Vote: Radfeild
congratulations, you are one of the first people to successfully draw a semi-OMGUS vote from me. Valiant effort scum. I wonder if your efforts will pan out, if the town will be sheep. Or if they will choose to follow me to victory. Its a sad thing that I have no faith in the town abilities to read through my posts if you get me lynched and figure out your plan.
If you really want to get people to vote for me than build a case. You're sure right, I mean, you seem pretty sure? So it shouldn't be too hard to go through and find some scummy Day 3 and Day 4 tells. Compare my pre Day 3 posting to my post Day 3 posting. Figure out my motivations for the things I've been saying. Show my contradictions and scum tells!
ACTUALLY DO SOME WORK!
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Radfield
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On May 29 2011 11:13 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2011 11:08 Radfield wrote:On May 29 2011 11:02 GMarshal wrote:
oh and I forgot.
##Unvote
##Vote: Radfeild
congratulations, you are one of the first people to successfully draw a semi-OMGUS vote from me. Valiant effort scum. I wonder if your efforts will pan out, if the town will be sheep. Or if they will choose to follow me to victory. Its a sad thing that I have no faith in the town abilities to read through my posts if you get me lynched and figure out your plan. If you really want to get people to vote for me than build a case. You're sure right, I mean, you seem pretty sure? So it shouldn't be too hard to go through and find some scummy Day 3 and Day 4 tells. Compare my pre Day 3 posting to my post Day 3 posting. Figure out my motivations for the things I've been saying. Show my contradictions and scum tells! ACTUALLY DO SOME WORK! I did I fucking handed the town this game. the only way they can lose now is if they are stupid. You played a great game as mafia, but your desperate attempt to save yourself from the list check proves your scummy nature. I don't have to do work, I've already won. You are just trying to save yourself and buy some chance of winning. I'm not having any of it, even if I die the town has already won, since you had to oust yourself to get your lynch outside of the list of four. gg already, work is superfluous when you have the single most broken ability in the game and ten billion dts, you lost this when kita claimed medic, as you had even me fooled.
GG indeed.
You played a solid game as town, and you certainly were a large part of us winning. It really sucks that you were the mole and are now on the losing team, but frankly I think you played well.
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Radfield
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Well, you me and foolishness are enough to do the job.
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Kitaman, you mind putting your vote down?
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OK, bed time. I hope to see gg in the morning.
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Well Played GM! You seriously almost had this. I would have willingly lynched Kitiman, Eiii and Meapak and gone straight for the loss. I had simply glossed over your possible alignment and assumed you were town. You peaked my interest though with your "lynch me today" comments and your sudden attack on my alignment, after that it was just a matter of checking the thread. I hope I wasn't too strong in my attack on you, there was nothing personal about it, and I thought you played really well the first two days as town!
Mafia had a bit of bad luck and a few bad moves this game. Having their mole be the M2DT really puts them in a pickle. It's pretty much a worse case scenario. Also, the sheer number of investigative roles really made it difficult for them.
Kurumi I think you should have stayed in the shadows. With tnkted caught, and Ace and Caller on the ropes, you were the last hope. I think most players had a somewhat town read on you, so you and GM could have possibly stuck it out.
My biggest mistake was not coming down stronger during the Ace/Incog battle. I was very sure Ace was mafia after his attacks against my role, and I was very sure that Incog was town. However, I just couldn't pull the trigger and jump in to sway town. My whole don't lynch Ace till Incog is dead argument was absolute garbage, but I couldn't shake the fact that I didn't want to get burned by you(Incog) again.
Killing Incog was a mistake though. His America power was neutralized by tnked so he wasn't a threat in that respect. There was so much suspicion put on him that very few players in the thread were actually listening to him either. I think the Ace/Incog argument could have been dragged out longer for sure. I was quite thrilled to wake up and find him dead, as it meant I could go full bore after Ace. Incog, I did quote your post attacking Ace a couple times in thread, and was prepared to ratchet it up on Ace but Bum beat me to the punch.
Fishball, you played really well. The way you came alive after Day 1/2 made you obviously town and your play was very good. Node, the police radio was absolutely brilliant. Best invention you could have made. It netted us a red, confirmed GM and gave us the rose coloured glasses.
The whole scum team played very well under difficult circumstances. With no traitor, GM being mole, and a slew of investigative/defensive roles taken, I thought they played really well. Without the list checks we would have had a much more difficult time, though I like to think that we still could have pulled it off.
Good game everyone! Super fun as always.
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