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On May 04 2011 14:09 chaoser wrote: Ok, so I posted that line just to see how people would respond. You can see that I didn't even post in the actual voting thread and already I think I've got some good reactions. Irish, why such a big response, going so far as to posting a link to another website, even saying that you would dismiss me and "not waste time on trying to convince someone I'm not scum". I didn't even actually vote for you, I posted some bolded words that could have easily been knocked down since there was no analysis behind it, and no logic behind it; it had nothing behind it. Why so serious? Why such a big reaction? Same thing to chaos13. At the same time, why so much silence on the issue from people who were clearly present? Kitaman? You pop in to say that people shouldn't edit but you don't mention a single thing about Irish, a single thing about me, and a single thing about anything. What up? I think this long of a post is more suspicious than anything irish punk dude said. | ||
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On May 05 2011 00:56 Kurumi wrote: Drop Chaoser discussion as scum. He will be probably shot this night because he is good at Mafia and is staying really pro-town. It is good to see some lurkers waking up! I don't like this post. I never like it when a townie tries to end discussion. The town should always encourage discussion. However, Chaoser does not seem to support Kurumi at all. It seems like Kurumi could be trying to defend his mafia buddy Chaoser but Chaoser is being very serious about not defending Kurumi at all. Maybe Kurumi just made a bad mistake that Chaoser is trying to distance himself from it in order to not be involved if Kurumi turns out to be mafia. Chaoser even did a little investigation on Kurumi's other TL posts which is very interesting. Chaoser is a good player which nobody should forget. I believe he has the potential to be a great townie or a great mafia player. Eternalmisfit did a good analysis of Kurumi as well. I think the worst part about him is his posting method. What's up with that? At least if we lynch him and he flips town, we won't have to attempt to read those type of posts anymore. I agree with your overall assessment of Kurumi and I see him at least as of right now being most likely to be mafia. This is my third mafia game. I played haunted mafia a while ago and I had no idea what was going on the entire game. Then I just played Brown Bear's mafia game in which I was a mafia goon. DropBear, Coagulation, and GMarshal were all on my team. | ||
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On May 05 2011 04:22 Irish_Punk13 wrote: Okay, for now my vote is going on AirbladeOrange for his last post. I don't like the fact that he's okay with the idea of lynching town. Kurumi is making some great posts so far, and I think he's most likely town based off of his actions so far. The fact that you think it's okay to lynch him tells me that you're probably scum, so I'm putting my vote on you. Please point out his good posts. Preferably the ones that make sense and are not about Lost. | ||
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On May 05 2011 11:09 jaminz wrote: Wow......this is such a dumb thing to say. You're essentially saying that its good not to say anything that could possibly make people (either mafia or town) look at you. You realize that the only way to find mafia is to do analysis, and that in doing analysis you're going to bring attention to yourself. I don't understand how you can make this comment and expect it to be a good explanation for your posting habits. This is insane I think this is a really good point. Jaminz, you are playing differently than last game but I think it's a good different. I believe Chaoser to be town, he is doing a great job of encouraging discussion and taking stands and demanding responses. This is very important for town as I learned last game. Be bold and make the mafia scared. It's okay for town to die as long as they mafia leave clues behind. Clues are much easier to decipher later in the game when you figure out who they are voting for and pressuring and who they bandwagon against. I'm still voting for Kurumi. His type of posting just does not seem pro town. We need to stay on task, clear up and back up what we say, and stay focused on killing people who are likely mafia. If he flips red, I am inclined to take out Irish guy next because they seem like a pair. I think it was Chaoser that even pointed out the times they posted were within minutes of each other. And as always, if anyone wants me to clarify anything I said or wants my opinion on something please ask. | ||
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On May 05 2011 11:57 chaoser wrote: AO, why did you vote without saying anything? I made the last post right after I voted. | ||
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Sorry for tunneling you last game conversion! It was the act of a desperate team. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On May 04 2011 22:41 Kurumi wrote: I thought I will have any heavy read by the time I am back and game starts but.. the only thing I saw was CHAOS. Saying that,while someone says this,posting some rules being in the other thread,just doing a contribution without any value On May 04 2011 22:48 sandroba wrote: Ok, so I've caught up right now and something in particular has caught my attention. That's all fine and all but the thing I find extremelly suspicious about this post is this: Chaoser points out how redtooth post is pro-town and then he proceeds to do exactly what redtooth did. Why are making such a huge effort to appear pro-town chaoser? This post would have exactly the same content without the bolded part. The only thing this part adds is making YOU look more town. On May 05 2011 00:56 Kurumi wrote: Drop Chaoser discussion as scum. He will be probably shot this night because he is good at Mafia and is staying really pro-town. It is good to see some lurkers waking up! I think it's a bad idea to ever drop "who is scummy" discussion. Town needs to be focused on hunting mafia at all times. On May 05 2011 01:07 Kurumi wrote: Chaoser,You wouldn't make any effort to defend Yourself if they were onto something,note that Irish backed off into the shadows,while You try to do something. You have two different approaches to play. Sandroba tries to play the Town Hero,he "has" the sense! Chaos13 does not know what is going on anymore. I don't understand this at all. He has a bunch of other posts that don't really especially around page 20 and before. Eternalmisfit tried to analyze some of those posts on page 20. On May 05 2011 04:22 Irish_Punk13 wrote: Okay, for now my vote is going on AirbladeOrange for his last post. I don't like the fact that he's okay with the idea of lynching town. Kurumi is making some great posts so far, and I think he's most likely town based off of his actions so far. The fact that you think it's okay to lynch him tells me that you're probably scum, so I'm putting my vote on you. I have asked repeatedly for you to back this up and you have not. Where are Kurumi's "great posts?" I feel that Kurumi's posts are erratic and unfocused. | ||
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I think Chaoser is town and I also believe Redtooth could be mafia. I was not convinced by his last big post. How is Irish an obvious townie? I just don't see that point at all. Lastly, Cthsazsa is probably mafia. On May 05 2011 06:46 Cthsazsa wrote: I'll give my thoughts so far on this. I've noticed a lot of finger-pointing going around. A good example would be of KillerSOS qucikly criticizing Rising_Pheonix's post as spam, even though all he did was give his viewpoint on the current situation? Sandroba is very quick to accuse people as being scum. As a few people have already said, Kurumi's posts are strange. It seemed like that at first he was trying to attack chaoser, and then started claiming him to be a good pro-townie? AirBlade's post instantly looked like anti-town. He was suggesting that we lynch Kurumi, and then he said that even if Kurumi is a townie, it's still okay. As I said earlier, right now all we're doing is pointing fingers and forcing people into corners to make them look suspicious. I still haven't seen a good, legitimate reason for voting off someone yet. This is just stalling, wasting time. We need to put heat on people and make stands. Townies being passive generally help the mafia pick us apart. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On May 05 2011 21:42 redtooth wrote: @Chaoser - I don't see how the argument is weak or convoluted. It essentially boils down to two things:
Out of all the actions taken in the thread so far, out of all the verbal missteps and the random disappearances and the smurf conspiracy theories, those seem to be the most scummy actions so far. If you believe Irish to be mafia and have a 70% confidence (pretty high mind you) then why is it that you've partially quit your attempt to press him other then to mention in passing that he's still your top suspect. You accuse me of not focusing but here you have 4 targets set before the town with none earning your full attention. Since you seem to be half-heatedly advocating for the Kurumi lynch, if he flips green would you agree that Irish is green as well? I think Kurumi's lynch is actually even more ridiculous but that's besides the point. It's not the fact that there is a simple "chance" of these things being likely, it's the fact that there seems to be a high chance of these things happening. I've re-read their posts numerous times and it isn't a far-fetch'd thing to say that most are simply noobtown. They all act suspicious as hell, almost to the point of playing with reckless abandon and not caring about the follwup. Do these sound like scum actions to you? As for "active lynching", yes I took a very liberal approach to the definition of it. But the bottom line stays the same - every action you took so far has been extraordinarily safe. You called out the people who were easy to call out, regardless of whether they actually seem more like noobtown or not. I can literally run through the thread and call out every ranting member for missteps in word usage and have 10+ well-justified FoS by the end but that doesn't contribute to the thread. What it does do is destroy focus, as evidenced by the game thus far. Scumhunting is incredibly sexy and screams I'M TOWN. Townhunting is not nearly as sexy but just as important and something that you've generally neglected to do. Not every FoS may be a lynch threat but obviously two (Irish and Kurumi) are. And since those two look pretty noobtown, I find it extremely odd that you continue advocating for their lynch. The reason why I didn't put a vote on you yet was because, I'll admit, there isn't enough evidence to totally convince me that you are scum. Talking percentages, I'd say I'm probably around 40% sure. But that 40% is more confidence I have in you being scum than literally anybody else in the thread except maybe KillerSOS. On the other hand, it doesn't make sense at this point to think both you and Killer are scum so a vote will have to wait until I can clear one or the other. @aidnai - Then why is it that people are literally tripping over themselves to keep credit and align themselves with Chaoser? As for Irish, he obviously didn't go inactive as part of a combined scum strategy to get the heat off of him since there are no PMs. If you think Irish actually is noobscum and exposed himself to all those real tells, don't you think he would have done the noobscum followup and aggressively defend himself? (See: KillerSOS) Let's do a math exercise. Consider, as objectively as possible, the following and write down the percent chance you think of each event happening.
On the other hand, do the same for Chaoser.
This made me late for work zzz. Now you are saying that Kumumi is leaning a little less town than before. Why? What changed? I'm even getting uneasy with you defending me as being "to a lesser extent" town. Kurumi I think was the one who tried to get people on my case but he did not have any good analysis. If anyone else has issues with my play let me know up front what the problem is. I don't really think I'm being too defensive, but I'm keeping an eye on people who tried to continue that bandwagon. I'm thinking it is likely that you, Irish, and Kurumi are all mafia. Maybe you are getting desperate because of the poor play of your two teammates and are trying to help them without seeming overly obvious while at the same time trying to shift attention to KillerSoS. | ||
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On May 06 2011 06:37 Kurumi wrote: Playing Mafia Hero would not benefit him in any way - it is obvious and You already started accusing him being scum. If I flip town,Your entire mindset and things You knew so far are DESTROYED. This is why Your attack is weak. Also think about,what would be the sense of trying to save Your mafia allies who failed horribly? Well,to make Yourself exposed obviously NOT. So far I am happy with my plan all working out,a bit too fast,but it is better than no response,duh. I wonder why people defend Chaoser so much but attack redtooth so hard. You're right that helping out scum buddies is not a good move. That is why I'm thinking that if it is the case, it is out of desperation that the town will lynch both you and Irish and you will both be red. He is defending you both relatively subtly and without sound reasoning. He even goes as far as changing his position on you without stating why. Regarding defenind Chaoser: He is a talented player and as of now I believe him to be pro town. I will probably continue to trust him until he starts pressuring, tunneling, and advocating lynches I disagree with or people who turn out to be green. You say you wonder why people defend Chaoser and attack Redtooth. If you are insinuating something then state it plainly rather than just throw out assertions and hope they stick. This also makes you even more suspicious in my book that you are seemingly defending a guy who is making some questionable posts. If you want to back him up then do so publicly, just as the case with your statement on people defending Chaoser. | ||
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sandroba chaos13 ilovejonn sinani206 Forumite VarpuliS Eternalmisfit AirbladeOrange GGQ orgolove Mig Amber[LighT] Forumite Beneather Theres a good chance multiple mafia members are on this list. I think we should check in to the people who bandwagoned. | ||
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I messed up that last post. I meant that the mafia are playing to that idea of the town being confused as to whether Chaoser or Redtooth are mafia, prompting town to pick one to lynch. Jackal and aidnai were less polarizing figures and veteran players. | ||
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I'm still suspicious of Redtooth but I think there is not enough to go on now and there are better candidates, especially Cthsazsa. I'm gonna look up his posts soon and post something on it. | ||
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On May 04 2011 21:03 Cthsazsa wrote: Just finished reading all the posts. I must say, I haven't really seen a legitimate reason to be suspicious of anyone. Right now it's just a bunch of people pointing fingers at each other. I acted pretty much like this the first time I was ever mafia. I tried to post so that people would recognize my name but didn't want to make any stands to avoid scrutiny. Especially early on before mafia buddies help each other out as much I feel people's first few posts are just on their own doing their own thing trying not to get caught. On May 05 2011 06:34 Cthsazsa wrote: Are we allowed to PM the coaches? If he is PMing coaches, either they are giving him bad advice or he is not listening to them/actually getting advice. On May 05 2011 06:46 Cthsazsa wrote: I'll give my thoughts so far on this. I've noticed a lot of finger-pointing going around. A good example would be of KillerSOS qucikly criticizing Rising_Pheonix's post as spam, even though all he did was give his viewpoint on the current situation? Sandroba is very quick to accuse people as being scum. As a few people have already said, Kurumi's posts are strange. It seemed like that at first he was trying to attack chaoser, and then started claiming him to be a good pro-townie? AirBlade's post instantly looked like anti-town. He was suggesting that we lynch Kurumi, and then he said that even if Kurumi is a townie, it's still okay. As I said earlier, right now all we're doing is pointing fingers and forcing people into corners to make them look suspicious. I still haven't seen a good, legitimate reason for voting off someone yet. Hindsight helps here. If he knew KillerSoS was town, here he would be tempted to add to the pressure. Same case with Kurumi and same case with myself. It's like he always brings up people (2 confirmed dead townies) who are town and under at least a little bit of heat. But he still does not make any stands whatsoever. He just acknowledges the fact that he agrees with suspicions and that's it. On May 05 2011 12:31 Cthsazsa wrote: I've changed my vote from AO to Irish after rereading this post several times. It really makes no sense. Kurumi rambles on with posts that makes just about no sense, and out of the blue Irish takes up his defence by saying the bolded words. This has pretty much been pointed out by several people. Maybe Kumuri and Irish both are scum. This is another pretty vague post. He changes his vote from me to Irish because of one post that is suspicious. All does does is say it makes no sense. Furthermore I found no good reason to vote for me to begin with but I guess I'm quite biased because I am, after all, me. Perhaps the analysis of Irish being mafia is incorrect and Cthsazsa is trying to throw another townie to their death. Also, at this point it was increasingly looking like Kurumi was going to be lynched rather than Irish so even if Irish was mafia it wasn't an overly risky play. Lastly, he throws out his usual maybe this maybe that thing without making a stance. + Show Spoiler + On May 06 2011 13:57 Cthsazsa wrote: My take on the situation before I go to bed. + Show Spoiler + On May 06 2011 13:08 DropBear wrote: On VarpuliS 22 posts since the game started for real, starting with 228. Your post is pretty empty yourself. I am interested in the fact that very early on you say that active does not mean scummy. Why not? You are repeatedly talking about inactives but you go to absolute no lengths to actually bring them out. Noone is named, no requests are given. This is all pointless. VarpuliS was very strongly on the Kurumi lynch. Here is his case: This is the only major analysis from him so far. He makes a large song and dance about how much of what Kurumi says doesn't make sense. The part where you say he's posted good content you also say you don't agree with it all. Could you elaborate? Also I find little difference between many of the posts you say are misleading drivel and those that are "actual content". You've helped lynch Kurumi on grounds of spam and unhelpful/misleading posts. This is also spam, unhelpful and misleading, as are about 5 of your posts around here. There's a FoS on Cthsazsa which you very quickly forget about. Cthsazsa is on my scum list as well as you. This is an attempt to help you appear town down the line when Cthsazsa flips. If you really were town and felt like hunting scum you'd follow up on this. Following this is a few posts regarding posting in third person. These are just spam, unhelpful and misleading, just like your read on Kurumi. Next is his third FoS, Irish_Punk13: This is entirely a push for an information lynch which is a very bad idea. Also, what happened to your case against Irish_Punk13? He retracts the information lynch idea, then follows up with a post stating the bleeding obvious about Rising_Phoenix. You still aren't contributing at all other than tunnelling Kurumi hardcore. Follows this with huge reposting of redtooth's arguments, copy-pasted. The only other real post of note he has is this: Why was this not followed up on? Interestingly enough Cthsasza also brings him up and doesn't do anything about it. CONCLUSION VarpuliS is mafia. He does a whole lot of talking and doesn't actually say anything. He very strongly tried to get Kurumi lynched and did nothing else. He is hiding in plain sight. His complete lack of any contribution other than tunneling Kurumi, self-contradictions and complete disappearance once the Kurumi lynch was certain, plus his interaction with other people I believe to be scum make him dodgy. Actually, I did do something about it. I looked up Beneather's post history in this thread. VarpuliS was wrong. Beneather posted 3 times since the game started. The three posts he made don't have much value to them, though. He asked Forumite to analyze the posts. Forumite did, but very poorly. After Forumite's analysis, Beneather never commented on it. In fact he never talked about it again. This dude's clearly lurking. As for my one liner, I apologize DropBear. My girlfriend was in the hospital, and I couldn't resist checking up on the thread while I was waiting. So I hastily gave my opinion of him, which was a mistake. I should've waited until now to give my analysis. DropBear, you also said I didn't do anything about it. Well, neither have you. And on your post against VarpuliS, you do a really good job pointing out his slipups. You've pretty much stated why he is one of my FoS. That is exactly what VarpuliS said, you even quoted it. I find that to be a horrible reason to call someone scum. Not because I'm the target in it, but because you can use that argument on literally anyone. Forumite Why he is becoming a FoS in my books. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + On May 06 2011 07:04 Forumite wrote: If you are blue, now´s the time to roleclaim. Why are you arguing that day-vigilante is a good move by using probabilities you yourself think are wrong? + Show Spoiler + On May 06 2011 06:33 Forumite wrote: Is it tunneling if you admit that I´m right, that calling Irish and Kurumi scum would be protown right now? + Show Spoiler + On May 06 2011 06:44 Forumite wrote: Wouldn´t wasting a day-vigilante be a bit of a waste? Lets make comparisons between those posts by Forumite. Each of these posts are either asking a question or making a statement to continue the argument. They aren't worth any value, don't contribute, and all they do is draw out pointless/stupid arguments that don't benefit the town. In his last post before Kurumi's death, he hops on the bandwagon and switches his vote to Kurumi. My top 3 FoS right now are Beneather, Forumite, and VarspuliS This I won't really get into, people can draw their own conclusions but I just wanted to make people aware of its existence. He didn't really do much and took up lots of space. He looked up beneather's post history which was at that time 3 posts. Forumite was also analyzed but it still didn't really say anything. He just states Forumite's posts are bad but does not actually analyze them or try to come to any conclusions. He also calls our DropBear put provides no discussion abotu the issue. If anything, the least scummiest thing he does here is post his top 3 suspicious people, which are Beneather (the lurker), Forumite (whose posts he claims don't contribute), and Varspuli (not sure why). On May 07 2011 07:41 Cthsazsa wrote: It's clear that Redtooth is derailing the thread and taking attention away from scumhunting by creating his own set of rules that we "have" to follow. Just worth noting for future reference if Redtooth ends up dead. Or could just be scum clutter. Cthsazsa then goes on to have verbal warfare against conversion. On May 07 2011 14:31 Cthsazsa wrote: redtooth has been constantly swaying our attention away from scumhunting with discussions, as stated by several other players. DropBear did a nice job drawing a case against redtooth, so I apologize if I state things he's already said. But I feel I should at least post my reasons for voting him. His posts are inconsistent. As soon as game started he was calling someone scum. Soon after that he posts a guide. Although this reason is debatable, it could have just been made to make him appear pro-town and to divert attention away from his quick accusation. He's been distracting our attention since the game started. Mafia experience discussion, Newb guide, and he even created a set of rules, which we must follow or he will FoS us. That last one has raised my suspicion the most. It could be used to distract us and derail the thread. It could be used to make himself appear protown. If that's the case, it has backfired. This is his latest post as I began writing this. This confirms his anti-Redtooth stand which seems to be his first stand the entire game. It was his first actual semi-meaningful post in of itself. My raised suspicions on Cthazsa slightly ease my suspicion on Redtooth because of Cthazsa's stand against him. Pretty much every other post besides the ones I quoted seemed to lack any important information. So subtract whatever number of quotes I have of him from 35 and that is the number of (at least in my opinion) noteworthy material. Lots of useless posts and he is extremely hesitant to make any kind of stand whatsoever until Redtooth. Even then, it is not very strong, lacking analysis as well as conviction. | ||
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He advocates lynching Kurumi, defends Cthsazsa (who I think is mafia) and Chaoser, opposes Redtooth's rules, and tries to bring a little pressure on KillerSoS. I think scum would want to lynch Kurmi, defend Cthsazsa, and bring pressure on KillerSoS. Regarding his posts on Redtooth and Chaoser I'm not sure yet. All in all he is lurking a ton, which he did not do last game which he was blue. + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2011 09:30 Mig wrote: Here are some of my thoughts about everything. The chaoser/redtooth long posts- I don't really have an opinion on whether the posts are scummy or not but a big part of why kavdragon was lynched last game for similar posts was because those were pretty much all he posted. He posted very little actual analysis and the analysis he did post wasn't very good. So as long as red/chaoser post some good analysis I don't think there is a problem with them trying to help out the newer players. AO/Irish/Karumi- I don't find AO that suspicious other than him saying chaoser was suspicious without giving any reasoning. Irish/karumi seem by far the most suspicious to me. Irish saying karumi had made a lot of great posts is either him defending a teammate or he hadn't actually read anything karumi had written. Almost every post of karumi's has had almost no content and has been confusing. I don't know why a townie trying to win would play like him, other than to try and get reactions out of people. But if that's the case I would like to see some more reasonable posts from him. His one analysis post was better but didn't actually have much analysis in it. Cthsazsa- I think the scum slip jackal is going on about is way overblown. It seems a lot more likely to just be a mistake than his attempt to run some mafia agenda of protecting lurkers, especially when hes being pretty active himself. I would be more suspicious of beneather who didn't post at all then instantly jumped on the supposed scum slip. Anyway I guess if I had to vote right now I would vote karumi but I will wait for more information to officially decide. On May 05 2011 09:57 Mig wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2011 09:50 VarpuliS wrote: Chaoser has been very pro-town in his posting across the board. Being super-vocal day 1 is a sure way to get killed night one. It's the players who haven't posted any real content that we have to worry about. I agree with varpulis here. And I would add I think it would be a pretty huge mistake to vote for chaoser on day1, unless we had some really damning evidence. He was one of the best players in the last TL mafia. It would be too big of a risk to potentially lose one of our best players unless we were very sure. On May 06 2011 05:12 Mig wrote: Redtooth- I think a lot of your arguments against chaoser are stretching it a bit. And your main argument defending kurumi and irish is they are so bad they couldn't possibly be mafia. You even ask when was the last time someone this obvious ended up being mafia. The answer to that is in the previous game. As GGQ mentioned Serjei was blatantly trolling with every one of his posts and he ended up being mafia. Obviously that doesn't prove that kurumi is mafia but you can't use that argument as your main defense for them. Kurumi- I disagree with most of your analysis of sandroba. Your main points against him seem to be you criticizing his asking people questions saying hes trying to bandwagon their analysis. But really its a good idea to ask people questions and have them make stands so you have posts which you can analyze yourself. I don't believe your story about trying to attract attention to yourself at all really. It just doesn't make any logical sense. You complain about people focusing on you instead of the vets who aren't posting. But of course people are not focusing on the lurkers after you drew so much attention to yourself. And you said you wanted to draw mafia out by having people vote for you on day2 right? So I don't really get why you said you made mistakes, it seems to me if this was really your goal then you just succeeded a day early. It just feels to me like you made this plan up to try and save yourself. So I am going to vote for kurumi, but if irish doesn't post before the deadline defending himself I would probably be ok with switching to him. I would rather not vote for red just yet because he is a vet and I am a little gun shy to lose potential assets to the town early on when our information is still limited. Conversion- The only thing I know for him is he played exactly like this (hardcore lurking) last game and he was town. On May 06 2011 05:52 Mig wrote: Red I understand it can be important to find townies but we have to lynch someone within the next few hours. So who are you going to vote for and why? On May 07 2011 02:39 Mig wrote: I think you are being ridiculous right now redtooth. If the town is being so impossibly bad how about taking some leadership and actually putting us in the right direction. I want you to look at this from my viewpoint for a second. On one hand I see kurumi who is obviously spamming and trolling with 90% of his posts. Who then comes up this ridiculous explanation that all his posting was a plan (I still think this was a lie, I think he just posted terribly at the start and then made up something to try and save himself). Then on the other side the absolute only argument defending him is you saying hes so bad he can't be mafia. Which in my limited experience isn't always going to be the case. Along with this after you defended irish/kurumi you don't make any argument for who people should lynch. You say killer is somewhat scummy but make no argument for him. You say chaoser is the most scummy but then claim you don't have time to make a case to get him lynched. So really with the information that I have who do you expect me to vote for? You accuse the town of sheeping onto kurumi, well maybe if you had made a case for someone else to be lynched you could have convinced the town to switch their votes. And I think your rules are a pretty bad idea. In an ideal world the rules sound like a great idea. But I think when you post this long 10 point list of rules and at the end you say if you don't follow these I am going to assume you are scum, the only thing you are going to do is discourage people from analyzing. If people have to go and follow 100 rules before they can post their thoughts most of them just won't bother. It's going to make it easier for scum to lurk, since less people will be actively contributing. 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Splitting the vote between several people I agree does the town little good, but at the same time not doing so could just be sheeping, making it easier for mafia to blend in. I'm open to suggestions as to how to do this. | ||
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I wrote stuff about him here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=216644¤tpage=48#941 He has been hesitant to make any stands, made very few posts trying to accomplish anything, and tries to add a little but not too much pressure on people who are in question (KillerSoS, myself, and Kurumi). | ||
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Mafia probably has one role blocker for a game of this size. I would like to hear from the vets if they agree with me on this. Would mafia really not use a role block on the first night and have GGQ claim it casually? Maybe they had no idea who else was blue besides KillerSoS and would rather have just killed him and try to give GGQ some town credit. Now that Chaoser has claimed, won't the mafia just keep role blocking him? | ||
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I'm not a big fan of the statistical analysis and using numerical values to determine one's scumminess. Maybe it's just because I hate math or maybe because I'm high on that list but certain things just don't seem to be a good indicator of how likely someone is to be mafia. Voting for town can just mean someone had a bad read, it happens to everyone. Changing a vote isn't scummy as long as the player provides a convincing reason for doing so. When they voted can just mean they wanted to see any developments that could happen before the day ends or they had other IRL things to do. I'm not sure where I stand on EternalMisfit. I think Sandroba is town and has gained a lot of town cred after the night. | ||
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I'm leaning toward EternalMisfit at this point. I'm going to vote now since I might not be back before the end of the day. I think what I'm going to do later is look at the first day of the game and see who was voting for who and who was defending who out out our suspicious people list. I want to look at the posts that weren't necessarily suspicious at the time but might be now. | ||
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On May 16 2011 16:03 DropBear wrote: Airblade, at no time have you responded to my arguments against you. You aren't really contributing anything at all. Why did you try so hard to tie Kurumi and Irish together? Why did you defend Jaminz and ilovejonn? Why did you advocate not using blue roles? Why did you post that everyone should analyse the people who voted for Kurumi and never do it yourself, only analysing Cthazsa who wasn't on the list? Why did you advocate splitting up the votes? Why did you attack Conversion? Why did you attack Mig? Why did you vote EternalMisfit? I don't remember trying really hard to tie Kurumi and Irish together. I just remember getting the feeling that they were tied together. Obviously I was wrong. I only recall stating that Jaminz was playing differently than last game we played with him because he was doing more analysis. I felt even if he was mafia it was good that he was more active than he was last game. I don't remember defending ilovejonn. At the time I said blues (vigilantes) should not use their roles because it was way too early to get a decent read on anyone to kill. Wasting a shot on a townie is worse than taking a small chance the vig will die at night. I did not feel compelled to do an analysis on people who voted for Kurumi. But I still say it would be a good idea. Splitting up votes helps hold people accountable for their actions and makes it wasier to weed out mafia who give poor reasoning for voting or just bandwagon. I don't think I ever attacked conversion, I only said he was being too aggressive. I thought Mig had a good chance of being mafia. I thought there was a good chance EternalMisfit was mafia. | ||
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Voted for jaminz Xedat chaos13 kitaman27 Mig - Dropbear did but changed his vote to me orgolove voted for ilovejonn Dropbear voted for me Dropbear I think has even a worse voting record than I do this game. Orgolove has been on ilovejonn for a long time so we should get one of them first. I'm still staying with orgolove for now. Then I would say kita is next based on how the votes are split up for being godfather since he is experienced. Dropbear might be the other goon who is hiding behind pressing people and long posts. He is a fairly new player but my Australian buddy is a fast learner and reads the old games as well as asks for coaching advice. | ||
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On May 14 2011 03:09 DropBear wrote: Come on man. If you are town defend yourself. Explain the reasoning behind your votes, behind your arguments. I don't think you are mafia anymore. Make a roleclaim, what role are you? On May 14 2011 03:15 DropBear wrote: Ok that's cool. What role are you? Vanilla Townie? Detective? Third Party Planar Dragon? Check your role PM from GMarshal. You can't post it in the thread but you can tell us what role you are. The way things are going you are almost certainly going to be lynched. Do you want to be lynched? I don't think you're mafia anymore man, even though I voted for you on Day 3. If you are town you owe it to everyone to defend yourself. Tell us why you voted the way you did. Tell us why you never defended yourself yesterday. Tell us why you said you'd post analysis on day 3 and never did. If you give a satisfactory explanation I will move heaven and earth to save you. ilovejonn gets town credit because of this (probably coached) attack post by sinani after there was a good chance he was getting lynched: On May 14 2011 13:42 sinani206 wrote: ilovejonn This is ilovejonn's list of votes: 1) kurumi 2) cthsaza 3) eternalmisfit 4) oroglove Hmm.... So far, 3 greens and a blue. Kurumi bandwagon day 1 and EternalMisfit bandwagon day 3, with no real explanations for either. He is also experienced, so he can't be forgiven for not explaining. Today, first he votes on my bandwagon, then after I defend myself and DropBear accepts the defense, he switches to himself, saying this: Why do you first roleclaim townie and then tell the town to lynch you for information? You want us to call a bluff, to believe that you are a Townie that will sacrifice himself for the town, and then leave you alive. But you aren't. You wanted us to leave you alone so that you could stay alive and the Mafia would keep their 2KP. Then, after Varpulis' post: You post this and switch back to oroglove: Because you realize that Varpulis is right, you switch to orgolove, to act more like a townie and act like you are trying to kill the scum. But you just use the same arguments against him that everyone else has. Another bandwagon. You realize that this is 3 band wagons you have joined, all without adding to the accusation? I know where my vote is going today. ##Vote: ilovejonn | ||
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And DropBear, where was that big post you promised? | ||
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Next in line are probably DropBear and Kita, maybe jaminz. I don't feel like I have much to go by now though because there is too much to go by. | ||
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Mig I had a suspicion of a while ago and I don't really remember why. He seems to be better now. I didn't feel like doing analysis on Kurumi's voting list. oroglove and redtooth both really turned my off because they each seemed arrogant. Oroglove just stopped posting things he thought were useful and started to do the one liners and "I told you so" type posts. Redtooth did a similar type thing where he seemed to not understand why people didn't see things the way he did, and he seemed to give only chaoser credit. I just felt both were being manipulative. I'm still undecided on who my top suspects are but Kita is because he is an alive vet and you are because I don't underestimate your ability in this game even though you are a fairly new player. But really I don't have much of a clue right now. | ||
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