EPTAnd like you mentioned on this same page ilj's play this game has been consistent with his play in previous games right? Where as kita's play is different than his play in XXXVIII.
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Mig
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And like you mentioned on this same page ilj's play this game has been consistent with his play in previous games right? Where as kita's play is different than his play in XXXVIII. | ||
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DropBear
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 Everyone thinks elmizzt is scum, probably even elmizzt. Lets kill him and make sure. You never know something wierd and funky could happen with the last nightkill. | ||
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Mig
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I don't want to kill elmizzit then get killed during the night and not get a vote in the most important lynch of the game. So I am going to vote for either kita or ilj today and like 95% I am leaving my vote on kita. | ||
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elmizzt
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On May 29 2011 12:08 kitaman27 wrote: Hey look, the scum are giving each other pats on the back for their analysis! How cute. Well, beneather had stated that he was going to be "extremely active" then suddenly disappears once roles were distributed. At the time, this was the first argument that I felt wasn't based mostly on conjecture, which is why I backed it. On May 29 2011 12:08 kitaman27 wrote: The weirdest exchange in the entire thread. I call elm out for lurking and he responds that "posting less would be sticking out". How does this make any sense whatsoever? Does nobody else find this incredibly odd? My beef here is more with the general application of lurker=mafia to every single situation. Explain to me this: if posting less is blending in, why did I seem more suspicious to you based on a low post count? Seems to me I stuck out more to you in this situation because I was posting less. When I asked you to clarify this contradiction, you dodged the question. Not that I blame you, as this is more of a theoretical dispute, not really relevant I guess. take it for what you will, I'm happy to discuss this further if anyone likes  On May 29 2011 12:08 kitaman27 wrote: Discredits the spreadsheets since they implicate his buddy jonn. I discredited the spreadsheets because they were complete horseshit lol. It's just straight up statistically invalid. On May 29 2011 12:08 kitaman27 wrote: So you're saying you spent 2 hours yet refuse to make an opinion on anything? Scummy, scummy, scummy. Everyone re-read this post. Bam. Hook, line, and sinker. These are consecutive posts. He goes from "not having anything to say" to jumping right on the kita bandwagon. All I have to say is LOL. Don't expect to hear from him again this cycle either. It's pretty obvious he is reading though. Dirty lurker. Um, the "not having anything to say" was more of an explanation of why I hadn't posted much previously, and not a projection of future intentions. Also, yea you say that these were consecutive posts, but you fail to take into account that they were 57 (!) hours apart, and during that period, AO was mislynched, throwing town into turmoil. I'm going to try to clarify my position: Yes. I haven't posted much. Why? I don't like to post on conjecture. I find it difficult to make an argument unless I'm completely (or very close to completely ) sure of my statements. I'm not the best creating analysis, but when focused, I'm more than happy to dismantle the bs that people come up with. With the fewer numbers of players in the game, and more variables taken out, it's become much easier for me to post, because I can do so with a much higher confidence level in my beliefs. | ||
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Mig
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Also if you end up being town I am going to hate you forever. | ||
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elmizzt
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On May 29 2011 14:56 DropBear wrote: This game needs moar roleclaims I don't really understand this, so if you could please clarify what the purpose of everyone roleclaiming would be, I'm interested to hear btw mig, if you don't mind, my name is spelled elmizzt, not elmizzit please! <3 | ||
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Mig
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elmizzt
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On May 29 2011 17:40 Mig wrote: So you are going to leave your vote on kita I assume elmizzit? Do you still think DB is the other mafia? Also if you end up being town I am going to hate you forever. Yes. Yes. aw sorry  On May 29 2011 17:41 Mig wrote: haha my bad, maybe if you posted more actively I wouldn't confuse it. LOL low blow. Guess I deserve that. | ||
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DropBear
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On May 29 2011 17:40 elmizzt wrote: I don't really understand this, so if you could please clarify what the purpose of everyone roleclaiming would be, I'm interested to hear If everyone is forced to say what their role is it makes it slightly easier to show who's lying. From what I've read in old games it's standard practice when it gets to lategame. At this point, everyone thinks elmizzt is mafia yes? We aren't sure about the others. Why not just kill the one everyone thinks is mafia? We can handle the last day and you never know what info can come up if we go another day. We either take a punt on the potential gf now and have a 50/50 chance of losing today, or we kill elmizzt and go in with the same odds tomorrow with slightly more information. I don't see the point of risking everything on who the second Mafia is when we can get someone pretty much guaranteed today. | ||
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kitaman27
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On May 29 2011 20:55 DropBear wrote: If everyone is forced to say what their role is it makes it slightly easier to show who's lying. From what I've read in old games it's standard practice when it gets to lategame. Not that it makes any difference, but I'm vanilla town. Kinda wish I was a day vig right about now though -_- On May 29 2011 17:10 Mig wrote: I don't want to kill elmizzit then get killed during the night and not get a vote in the most important lynch of the game. So I am going to vote for either kita or ilj today and like 95% I am leaving my vote on kita. Hate to break it to you, but there won't be a night if you don't change your vote. Today is just as an important vote as tomorrow will be. They are both LYLO. Scum only need one town to be wrong and they win. Obviously jonn and elm will be voting together on me. If you or dropbear vote for me, we lose. On May 29 2011 14:39 ilovejonn wrote: Also, I did not pretend to give up. I actually did give up, until I decided to continue on with the "play to win" rule and others convinced me otherwise. Obviously it would have been good if I died so town could have stopped discussing whether or not I'm mafia, but if it truly did happen this game would have been over already. I don't disappear for long periods when people are suspicious of me. I actually AM not available. Okay, I tell you I go out, you say that's me being guilty of being inactive. I go out without posting a reason, you say I'm lurking when I'm under suspicion. Tell me what I should do? 9 times out of 10 its the mafia that give up and say things like "lynch me", hoping no one calls their bluff. Just look at that dirty mole from PYPI. People are saying your play this game is consistent with other games, but have you given up then? No, because that is not how you play town. On May 29 2011 17:33 elmizzt wrote: Um, the "not having anything to say" was more of an explanation of why I hadn't posted much previously, and not a projection of future intentions. Also, yea you say that these were consecutive posts, but you fail to take into account that they were 57 (!) hours apart, and during that period, AO was mislynched, throwing town into turmoil. You're digging your own grave. Two consecutive posts, 57 hours (!) apart? Talk about lurking hard. Yet when we question you, you show up in ten minutes? Now that you saw I was up for lynch, you jumped on the opportunity to cement your victory. Problem is, you were too greedy. | ||
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Mig
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On May 29 2011 20:55 DropBear wrote: At this point, everyone thinks elmizzt is mafia yes? We aren't sure about the others. Why not just kill the one everyone thinks is mafia? We can handle the last day and you never know what info can come up if we go another day. We either take a punt on the potential gf now and have a 50/50 chance of losing today, or we kill elmizzt and go in with the same odds tomorrow with slightly more information. I don't see the point of risking everything on who the second Mafia is when we can get someone pretty much guaranteed today. We are going to have a 50/50 shot at hitting the gf regardless of what day we try and kill them on. We will only get a tiny amount of extra information on who is night killed but we will pretty much be in the same position we are now. If I knew for sure that mafia would kill you during the night instead of me I would have 0 problem voting elmizzt. But I have no intention of being dead for the most important decision of the game. Even if I make the wrong decision today I want the ability to at least make it. So I will not be voting elmizzt today, I will vote either kita or ilj. | ||
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kitaman27
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On May 30 2011 05:16 Mig wrote: We are going to have a 50/50 shot at hitting the gf regardless of what day we try and kill them on. We will only get a tiny amount of extra information on who is night killed but we will pretty much be in the same position we are now. If I knew for sure that mafia would kill you during the night instead of me I would have 0 problem voting elmizzt. But I have no intention of being dead for the most important decision of the game. Even if I make the wrong decision today I want the ability to at least make it. So I will not be voting elmizzt today, I will vote either kita or ilj. Its not a 50/50 shot. Its a 100% shot if you vote jonn or elm. You've analyzed me, but anything you've said about me could be applied to them as well. Its the simple fact that I've played more games than jonn and elm that you think I'm the most scummy. I feel as if I'm talking to a wall at the moment as anything I say you see as scummy. Is there anything I could explain to change your mind? I don't care which one of them you decide, but our votes have to be together or we lose. | ||
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Mig
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I agree that there is a very high chance that elmizzt is scummy but I don't want to deal with him atm I want to decide between you and jonn. I have read through all of your posts and jonn's posts like 5 times each. And what has really decided me about jonn is just the whole part where he gave up and then sinani pulled out the coach post. I agree with your point that often times when under heavy pressure the scum players can pull out the ok I give up lynch me trick but usually they only do it when they are either A) trying to push some goal of theirs or B) they are under very heavy pressure but there was no real pressure under jonn when he did it. There were like 4 votes on sinani then jonn comes in and basically goes I am worthless I will go with the town and vote sinani. Then db makes a post and goes ok we should all switch our votes to jonn and 3 minutes later jonn goes yep you are right everyone should vote for me and then votes for himself. Considering how quickly it all came down this seemed like either he and db would have to be working together or it was just spontaneous on jonn's part. So then shortly after, jonn goes ok you guys are right I won't just give up and then targets orgolove saying he is the scummiest. And then a few hours after that sinani comes out with his coached post to try and get jonn lynched/save himself. The whole thing just seems so so strange to me. Like what was the scum's plan here, have jonn martyr himself even though 95% of the town was focused on sinani and then right after have him change his mind and coach sinani to try and bus him all to buy jonn town credit? And this insane master plan was completely put together by jonn, sinani, elmizzt? I mean maybe if like ace was on the mafia team but we aren't exactly looking at a group of mafia all-stars here. So I think jonn was demoralized by being completely wrong all game long, especially having his long analysis on EM end up being just completely worthless. He was really ready to die. Mafia saw this and they knew jonn would be their best shot at diverting the lynch, so they wrote up sinani's long coached post and tried to save him and keep their kp. If this was really some complex plan by the mafia to try and buy jonn super town cred then I will just say hats off to them because they have completely fooled me. After spending hours and hours looking through posts and thinking on this my mind is pretty much made up. I don't think there is anything you can say to change my opinion but I guess if you come up with a plausible story for how the whole jonn trying to die/sinani bus thing was actually a giant mafia plan then I would be willing to listen. | ||
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Mig
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I have been reading pypi while it was going on. And GMarshal did try to martyr himself but it was clear right away he had a goal. He was saying either kill me now to remove suspicion or follow my plan until the end. He was giving people an ultimatum to further his objectives. Jonn was just like fuck it I am terrible everyone kill me here I will even vote for myself. I just don't see the mafia motive behind it other than trying to gain town cred, but in that scenario the mafia were already going to give him town cred by bussing him with sinani. So if all my analysis is wrong and I have just been completely fooled and I am killing the wrong person kita then I am sorry. I will try and figure out where I fucked up and went wrong to improve for the future. But right now everything tells me to kill you. | ||
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elmizzt
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elmizzt
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On May 30 2011 10:26 elmizzt wrote: sen so beast. drewbies army just melted LOL oops wrong thread | ||
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Varpulis
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elmizzt
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On May 30 2011 02:45 kitaman27 wrote: You're digging your own grave. Two consecutive posts, 57 hours (!) apart? Talk about lurking hard. Yet when we question you, you show up in ten minutes? Now that you saw I was up for lynch, you jumped on the opportunity to cement your victory. Problem is, you were too greedy. lol. kita keeps jumping and dodging arguments. bouncing back and forth between stances. Your original argument was that my stance switched very quickly between two consecutive posts. I responded that they were actually very far apart in terms of time and circumstance. You responded by dodging, and making statements that I have already explained. nice try =/ | ||
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