Experiment Mafia I

On April 15 2011 15:26 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I will say this one more time. The two cardinal sins in this game are as follow.
1. Trying to find out AKA's of players, or who is in the game.
2. Inactivity.

Neither will result in an immediate mod kill, but afterwords I will do everything in my power to make you suffer. Which can be quite a lot.

On April 15 2011 19:31 sneezy1 wrote:
Also, grumpy, you're being way to nice for someone called grumpy. FoS grumpy1.

You have been banned by Klogon.

Reason: Swing!

On April 15 2011 23:13 tiberius1 wrote:
Hi guys!!! This is going to be a blast!

I love my name thanks RoL! Roman emperors are the best.

I think my favorite roman emperor was probably augustus but thats everyones favorite. I guess my second favorite roman emperor was tiberius so this worked out well!

I have a question though. Are there mason circles/pms in this game?

On April 15 2011 23:25 caligula1 wrote:


i am a much better roman emperor

On April 16 2011 17:07 grumpy1 wrote:
Because in a relatively quiet thread I was trying to generate discussion of policies the hosts had advised us to take?

On April 16 2011 17:23 grumpy1 wrote:
Honestly, there's no reason to play games. (in a manner of speaking) Either say your piece or don't bother. I will say that if you think I've "scum slipped" everything I said is confirmed in the OP.

On April 16 2011 15:33 grumpy1 wrote:
In fact, I'm going to go ahead and say that believing any claim in this game is likely a poor idea.

With the no-flip mechanic, we've got no way of safely confirming anything aside from looking at the mafia count. We don't know if a role that's claimed is even in the game at all. With 9 townies and 2 mafia (one of which could be the godfather), it's definitely pretty unlikely that the whole role list is out there -- there's too many places to hide.

As a recommendation. I would HIGHLY recommend not role claiming.

On April 16 2011 21:08 augustus1 wrote:
The only 2 roles that I see that can be verified are cop and vig. And that's only by calling your action right before the day post. If those roles are even in the game. Without a flip the rest are pretty much unverifiable.
From the OP:

He doesn't say you can't role claim, just that it's probably not a good idea.
Other than the vig or cop I'm going to have to believe that anybody that does role claim is scum.

On April 16 2011 21:46 augustus1 wrote:
So are you advocating a mass claiming?

On April 16 2011 22:41 caligula1 wrote:
happy - that looks sound. Unless vig/medic or something else happens I would agree with that

I assume what you mean is that the person being lynched should claim before being lynched. Not that there should be any mass claim.

Are we allowed vote for a no lynch?

On April 16 2011 22:52 bashful1 wrote:

No, he was recommending that you claim before you hang. Or at least that's what I think.

I haven't thought through the idea of a mass claim. Early mass claim will lead to everyone claiming townie because, well, mafia won't want to gamble, and blues will want to stay hidden. I would say we should definitely mass claim at LYLO though.

##Vote Grumpy1

Agreed with the post critic, have some pressure.

On April 16 2011 23:02 augustus1 wrote:

Claiming at lynch is fine and all but it doesn't really mean anything.
Claiming before that is suicide.

On April 16 2011 23:16 augustus1 wrote:
In this setup it's all WIFOM

On April 16 2011 22:59 augustus1 wrote:

How does a medic "happen"? If you read the OP you will see that the medic is not informed if they do a successful protect. Nor is the person they protected.

Actually I'm thinking right now the scum team just outed itself.
Happy and Caligula.

On April 16 2011 23:24 caligula1 wrote:


Cos hurr durr someone won't die.

On April 16 2011 23:22 bashful1 wrote:

That's just fear mongering. We know that we can only have a limited amount of blue's, judging by the number of players and mafia, and we get our one confirmation of alignment. It can verify or disprove alignment and thus lies up to that point.

There will be NO flip reveals. However once per game, starting night two the town may vote to reveal the remaining mafia count, and the alignment of the next person lynched. The mafia count will come with the day post.
This voting takes place during night. This power can only be used ONCE.

On April 16 2011 23:35 augustus1 wrote:

Hurr durr the medic will hurr durr.

On April 17 2011 00:09 caligula1 wrote:

Medic successfully protects -> No one dies
Vig hits someone -> extra death that night
Veteran gets hit -> No one dies

You are either trolling or dense, neither are good qualities.

On April 17 2011 00:35 caligula1 wrote:
Please point out where I suggested roleclaiming at any other time apart from when someone was getting lynched.

Roleclaiming when getting lynched is NOT useless information. When we use the reveal we will know the roles of the dead to a certain degree of accuracy depending on whether 1 or 2 mafia are alive.

Rest of your post makes no sense its just random words. You are coming up with hypothetical situations that have no bearing on this argument whatsoever.

You are spamming useless information and trying to pass it off as scumhunting. You are claiming I've said things that I have not. You are playing way too agressively to be a townie.

##Vote: augustus1

On April 17 2011 00:45 augustus1 wrote:

OMGUS.
Nice one too.
I'm aggressive? Before I was dense. Or a troll.
I'm not spamming anything. I'm stating my opinion on role claiming. You are the one pushing an argument.

On April 17 2011 02:25 augustus1 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I never said you advocated mass claiming. That was asked previously and nobody answered. Was simply the first of two points I was making. The second one was addressed towards you.

The only way to win this game is through analysis. Roles are nice and all but we are all blindfolded. Night mechanics will make it very difficult to determine who is doing what. Hell for all we know everybody has a role.

On April 17 2011 01:53 tiberius1 wrote:
..actually, thinking this through, I'm absolutely wrong. There is no reason for BOTH mafia to come out into the light of day DAY 1. That's just asking for one of them to be lynched, and since theres no reveal theres no reason to do that for cred. Its a free scum lynch for us.

Therefore, we can probably assume that there will be no bussing from scum until we decide on a night to reveal mafia count.

However, if we were to assume that no mafia has put themselves forward yet this game as a major power player, we'd be idiots. So I think that one of the two of cal/aug (include me to make 3 if you're REALLY unsure) is probably mafia.

I guess we got some targets for checks tonight. me/cal/aug

On April 17 2011 03:13 chaoser wrote:
this is why rol said to use two browsers -_-

On April 17 2011 03:13 chaoser wrote:
this is why rol said to use two browsers -_-

EDIT: I AM OBSERVING, SORRY WILL NOT BE POSTING AGAIN

On April 17 2011 03:17 sleepy1 wrote:


Ok, only smurf accounts should post in this thread, and people, please check your accounts before you post

On April 17 2011 02:44 tiberius1 wrote:


SLIP

If you didn't have a role, you'd know that not everyone has roles. This theory would never occur to somebody who doesn't have a role.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a blue/scum!

On April 17 2011 02:25 augustus1 wrote:
I never said you advocated mass claiming. That was asked previously and nobody answered. Was simply the first of two points I was making. The second one was addressed towards you.

The only way to win this game is through analysis. Roles are nice and all but we are all blindfolded. Night mechanics will make it very difficult to determine who is doing what. Hell for all we know everybody has a role.

On April 16 2011 22:59 augustus1 wrote:

How does a medic "happen"? If you read the OP you will see that the medic is not informed if they do a successful protect. Nor is the person they protected.

Actually I'm thinking right now the scum team just outed itself.
Happy and Caligula.

On April 16 2011 23:35 augustus1 wrote:

Hurr durr the medic will hurr durr.

On April 17 2011 00:28 augustus1 wrote:

I understand how the roles work I understand how KP works. I also understand how scum like to create pointless arguments on day 1 to fill a game full of bs.

Role claiming in this setup at this time makes no sense.
Role claiming before being lynched is fine. But it is basically useless information.

Medic gets lynched.
Medic claims before nightpost.
Scum hit vet.
Does that verify the medics claim???
Apply that to vig, medic, vet. Any number of scenarios can arise in night actions to make it appear they were telling the truth. It's all WIFOM.
If you are a vig and claim your shot before the day post you would be confirmed if there are 2 kills and 1 was your claimed target.
If you are cop and post your targeted person before the day post and the day post shows that player you are confirmed. You are also likely dead.
For all we know if we had a medic they died 2 days ago.
Now throw in a role blocker. Night actions and results can in no way shape or form be used to determine if somebody has truthfully made a role claim.

You're scum.
##Vote: Caligula1

On April 17 2011 02:58 tiberius1 wrote:
Ok, lets pretend that my posted that exact post except I didn't say to check myself. Are you still suspicious?

personally, I would be because a plan that relies on judging people's relative force of personality in a group that doesn't take into effect your own effect on that group is fucking stupid.

A surveying example:
If we were measuring the tallest mountains in the world, wouldn't you want to know what elevation you're measuring from? Perhaps you're at sea level, or maybe you're at -1000 sea level. Things like that can seriously screw up surveying. Unless you can actually climb the mountain and measure it yourself (ie rolecheck/killing in a reveal flip game) you need to know precicely where you stand with regards to your target.

Same thing goes for this game. If I were to come up with a plan that basically says "Everyone who has tried to post an idea so far is possibly mafia," wouldn't you be suspicious if I didn't acknowledge that I could be the mafia trying to fit in? I'm posting an idea after all. My own plan implicates me by ommission.

You should be suspicious of me, since my theory demands that you do so. Now that i've come up with a solid plan and idea this early in the game, the chances of me being mafia have risen dramatically. I'm not, of course, but you have no way of knowing that. By drawing attention to myself in this way I'm forcing you to play it safe, which is the way that you should be playing anyway. I'm not going to let this game devolve into xxxviii.

On April 16 2011 22:59 augustus1 wrote:
How does a medic "happen"? If you read the OP you will see that the medic is not informed if they do a successful protect. Nor is the person they protected.

Actually I'm thinking right now the scum team just outed itself.
Happy and Caligula.

On April 17 2011 00:28 augustus1 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
You're scum.
##Vote: Caligula1

On April 16 2011 22:48 tiberius1 wrote:
Happy, are you advising that we mass claim DESPITE the mod telling us it would be a bad idea? Are you serious? If scum has one roleblocker, they can block medic protection and then kill the cops. Why would you advocate this? It seems to me like an extremely scummy idea.

I'm not saying you're scum (yet), but explain what you're trying to say please.

On April 16 2011 23:35 augustus1 wrote:
We do not get a confirmation of alignment. We get a mafia headcount and the alignment of the person we are going to lynch. We can do that once.
Say we get a count of 1 back after 3 lynches. We know one person lied. Whoopy. The 2 that didn't lie are just as dead. All we know is we still have 1 scum left. We don't know how many blues or greens are left.

On April 17 2011 01:53 tiberius1 wrote:
..actually, thinking this through, I'm absolutely wrong. There is no reason for BOTH mafia to come out into the light of day DAY 1. That's just asking for one of them to be lynched, and since theres no reveal theres no reason to do that for cred. Its a free scum lynch for us.

Therefore, we can probably assume that there will be no bussing from scum until we decide on a night to reveal mafia count.

However, if we were to assume that no mafia has put themselves forward yet this game as a major power player, we'd be idiots. So I think that one of the two of cal/aug (include me to make 3 if you're REALLY unsure) is probably mafia.

I guess we got some targets for checks tonight. me/cal/aug

On April 17 2011 02:02 tiberius1 wrote:
I guess I'm arguing that mafia isn't horrible and is lurking right now, but I think that in a game RoL is hosting and has so much on the line for, mafia is probably decent players given their % count of the town.

On April 17 2011 02:44 tiberius1 wrote:
SLIP

If you didn't have a role, you'd know that not everyone has roles. This theory would never occur to somebody who doesn't have a role.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a blue/scum!

On April 17 2011 04:04 caligula1 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Minimized] +
See the italicized section? THAT IS ALL SPAM. IT MEANS NOTHING. No one disagrees that mass roleclaiming is bad, but you continue to insist on bringing it up as a relevent part of your argument.

Now, give me a proper reason for voting me or unvote.

On April 17 2011 04:04 caligula1 wrote:
No one thinks massclaiming is a good idea and I have no idea why you are laboring the point. About the rest of the argument lets go back to the start:

On April 17 2011 04:04 caligula1 wrote:See the italicized section? THAT IS ALL SPAM. IT MEANS NOTHING. No one disagrees that mass roleclaiming is bad, but you continue to insist on bringing it up as a relevent part of your argument.

Now, give me a proper reason for voting me or unvote.

On April 17 2011 04:40 augustus1 wrote:
No one thinks massclaiming is a good idea and I have no idea why you are laboring the point. About the rest of the argument lets go back to the start:

On April 16 2011 22:41 caligula1 wrote:
happy - that looks sound. Unless vig/medic or something else happens I would agree with that

I assume what you mean is that the person being lynched should claim before being lynched. Not that there should be any mass claim.

Are we allowed vote for a no lynch?

On April 17 2011 04:32 grumpy1 wrote:


What the hell is all this? You've got an entire essay here that could exist in two sentences. Overreaction much?

It's common sense that scum have something to be guilty about. Thus, they tend to feel a need to defend / implicate themselves even when all eyes aren't necessarily scrutinizing their posts. Would I be as suspicious of your post if you didn't implicate yourself? No. Does that matter? No.

On April 17 2011 04:55 tiberius1 wrote:


Just because your playstyle dictates that players that come up with good plans are automatically green doesnt mean that mine does, especially for a plan like mine which is recursive and logically demands that I include myself in it. But whatever, you're acting the most scummy this game.

everyone not lurking: neutral, leaning town
lurkers: leaning scum

On April 17 2011 05:37 sneezy1 wrote:


Shortened your analysis of everyone for you happy. Because sneezy's nice like that.

On April 17 2011 05:06 tiberius1 wrote:
Oh shit. I should probably get a vote in then.

#vote sneezy1 because he literally hasn't posted yet and I want to apply a little pressure.

On April 17 2011 05:30 grumpy1 wrote:


Why am I most scummy? Come at me, bro. All that's been brought against me in particular is that in my first post of the game happy "felt the tone was off". (for the record, I think happy is most likely to be town out of everybody)

Your "plan" came down to "here's two players having an argument, we should have a DT (never mind that there might not be a DT, and it'll be hell confirming one) check one of them". Offering yourself up for a check doesn't add anything to your plan and only further confused the issue.

Basically, it didn't feel like a plan, it felt like you were suggesting that you should be checked because you strongly suspected two other people, which made no sense at all.

On April 17 2011 05:46 tiberius1 wrote:
Funny how sneezy showed up the second I voted for him eh?

I think I'm keeping my vote on him for now.

On April 16 2011 14:46 doc1 wrote:
Yo science dudes were stuck in a windowless room how do we know what time it is?!?!

On April 17 2011 01:56 doc1 wrote:
If you wanted yourself checked you could be just GF and wanting town confirmation. That seems kinda scummy in my eyes.

On April 17 2011 03:19 doc1 wrote:


Another good way is to disable remember me and make sure to log in on your smurf so if you post as you read as SOME PEOPLE obviously do then your at least on the right account.

On April 17 2011 05:45 tiberius1 wrote:


oh is THAT what you were confused about?

My point was that 1. two people are making a lot of ruckus and 2. people who put themselves out in the open early in the game are more likely to be mafia.

You can disagree with that if you want I guess, nobody's forcing you to believe it. If you read the rest of the post I actually say that you're probably town.

On April 17 2011 06:13 happy1 wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Claudius1

Continue the posting sleepy1.
Thoughts on Augustus & Caligula?
Which camp are you in when it comes to role claims?

Claudius is next up to bat.

Also, a top3 or some sort of list from everyone would also be snazzy.

On April 17 2011 06:18 doc1 wrote:
On a side note sorry if ive seemed spammy but I cannot tell exactly why. Regardless I'm still not the worst person here (see sneezy).

On April 17 2011 06:27 sleepy1 wrote:

I think the role claims, while giving us information when we do decide to use the flip ability, gives more information to the mafia than to us. We only get info we can semi trust when we use the flip. Mafia will be getting information every time people claim. Say someone claims medic and gets lynched. We don't know if he's telling the truth or not but if he's trying to give us info that we can use for when the flip happens then he isn't lying. In that case the mafia knows that

1) A medic is getting lynch
2) They shouldn't claim medic cause it'll be suspicious to have 2 in a game

It's a double edged sword and I think the information we can gain is canceled out by the information we're giving out to the mafia making it a zero sum game, maybe even negative sum game in the end

On April 17 2011 06:45 happy1 wrote:

Why do you single out Sneezy?
What about Claudius?

On April 17 2011 06:59 doc1 wrote:


Because Sneezy is at least here at that oneliner he posted was just stupid through snd through. I would like to see one post before I completely pass judgement on a person.

On April 17 2011 06:18 doc1 wrote:
Then why did you want to be checked? I still see that question veing dodged its fine that you gove some DT targets but i still am curious why wanted THAT.

On April 17 2011 07:29 OriginalName wrote:
EDIT

On April 17 2011 05:37 sneezy1 wrote:


Shortened your analysis of everyone for you happy. Because sneezy's nice like that.

On April 17 2011 08:41 caligula1 wrote:
Switching to claudius, its better that we get rid of the lurkers. Especially considering how short the day/night cycle is.

IGMEOY augustus

On April 17 2011 09:27 doc1 wrote:


*cough* *cough*

On April 17 2011 09:30 doc1 wrote:


Oh wait sorry i read caligula as claudius >_>

my bad my bad!

On April 17 2011 09:35 caligula1 wrote:


You thought I was voting for myself?? :O

On April 16 2011 21:46 augustus1 wrote:
So are you advocating a mass claiming?

On April 16 2011 22:59 augustus1 wrote:

How does a medic "happen"? If you read the OP you will see that the medic is not informed if they do a successful protect. Nor is the person they protected.

Actually I'm thinking right now the scum team just outed itself.
Happy and Caligula.

On April 16 2011 23:02 augustus1 wrote:

Claiming at lynch is fine and all but it doesn't really mean anything.
Claiming before that is suicide.

On April 17 2011 00:28 augustus1 wrote:
I understand how the roles work I understand how KP works. I also understand how scum like to create pointless arguments on day 1 to fill a game full of bs.
Role claiming in this setup at this time makes no sense.
Role claiming before being lynched is fine. But it is basically useless information.
Medic gets lynched.
Medic claims before nightpost.
Scum hit vet.
Does that verify the medics claim???
Apply that to vig, medic, vet. Any number of scenarios can arise in night actions to make it appear they were telling the truth. It's all WIFOM.
If you are a vig and claim your shot before the day post you would be confirmed if there are 2 kills and 1 was your claimed target.
If you are cop and post your targeted person before the day post and the day post shows that player you are confirmed. You are also likely dead.
For all we know if we had a medic they died 2 days ago.
Now throw in a role blocker. Night actions and results can in no way shape or form be used to determine if somebody has truthfully made a role claim.

You're scum.
##Vote: Caligula1

On April 17 2011 00:45 augustus1 wrote:
OMGUS.
Nice one too.
I'm aggressive? Before I was dense. Or a troll.
I'm not spamming anything. I'm stating my opinion on role claiming. You are the one pushing an argument.

On April 17 2011 07:18 happy1 wrote:

Which oneliner are you speaking of?

How is Sneezy 'worse' than Claudius when he's actually had a post taking a stance on one person (albit you) while Claudius has only spam to his name, and last posted here when there was plenty to talk about, while Sneezy has actually been absent while a lot of stuff was going on. And now that he's back, he's contributing.

On April 17 2011 11:04 claudius1 wrote:
Wow :/ really... every single mafia game we play in this forum, voting the inactives is frowned upon and looked like a scum move.

This game, people are voting me because I haven't been here much today (sorry that I had to work today). With only hmmm.... 11 hours to go, I'm probably going to die since I have to go again in 1 hour.

What did we have to talk about back then? Please tell me? That ON posted with his real account?

Or what, that two players were having a pissing contest kind of like Annul vs LSB in Mafia XXXV, or like Jackal vs Tackster in Insane Mafia 2? One was mafia vs town, the other was town vs town... indistinguishable, just like this. Nothing to post about.

On April 17 2011 11:20 happy1 wrote:
EBWODPP:
By the way, since you didnt say anything else, you havn't seen anything at all to comment on since your last post either?

On April 17 2011 10:01 doc1 wrote:


IM NOT THAT DRUNK

...yet.

On April 17 2011 07:32 tiberius1 wrote:


This is the post he was talking about.

On April 17 2011 06:19 doc1 wrote:
My proofreading sucks veing = being
why wanted = why you wanted

On April 17 2011 11:26 claudius1 wrote:

You do realize that the last 2.5 pages are nothing but one sentance posts right... so what am I supposed to be looking for? This?



or this?



or this?



Seriously read the posts... no one is posting anything of use... its just a tonne of spam.

Its really hard to analyze spam.

On April 17 2011 01:48 tiberius1 wrote:
except, sleepy, that townie doesn't flip. this is a no flip mafia. We wouldn't know if he was mafia or not until we use the reveal.

I'm getting awfully suspicious of caligula and augustus here... they've basically created an argument out of nothing. Perhaps trying to make themselves seem more pro-town? Both seem far more interested in scumhunting day fucking 1 than in creating a good town atmosphere.

(not saying scum hunting is bad, just that building a good atmosphere is far more important on day 1. lynch is usually useless and nobody has any analytical material yet).

Could cal and aug be mafia buddies? IDK, but both of them are on my shitlist right now.

On April 17 2011 01:53 tiberius1 wrote:
..actually, thinking this through, I'm absolutely wrong. There is no reason for BOTH mafia to come out into the light of day DAY 1. That's just asking for one of them to be lynched, and since theres no reveal theres no reason to do that for cred. Its a free scum lynch for us.

Therefore, we can probably assume that there will be no bussing from scum until we decide on a night to reveal mafia count.

However, if we were to assume that no mafia has put themselves forward yet this game as a major power player, we'd be idiots. So I think that one of the two of cal/aug (include me to make 3 if you're REALLY unsure) is probably mafia.

I guess we got some targets for checks tonight. me/cal/aug

On April 17 2011 11:28 claudius1 wrote:
EBWOP: Oh ya, sorry I could also look at the day1 "analysis" people have done so far, that consists of quoting every single post a player has made to the moment, calling it spam, then FoS'ing them... so useful.

Looks exactly like the Pokemafia analysis that let the mafia hide behind the fact that no one reads that kind of analysis, and then totally destroyed the town.

So far, the game is just like every other day1, people trying to look busy so they don't die, whooopeeee

On April 17 2011 12:43 doc1 wrote:
Well in no particuler order:

Sneezy: Lurking useless etc.

Tiberious seems town as my only real problem was a really weak technicality in one post.

On April 17 2011 12:57 happy1 wrote:

Doesn't make me feel any better about you.

Does the fence have a reserved spot for you to sit on?

On April 17 2011 14:07 doc1 wrote:


What do you want from me? Im just saying what I think, I could be like claudius and just lurk more but im just giving opinions and you pressure me for it? Is indecision a scum trait? because I honestly have nothing to hide, if you want something just ask.

On April 17 2011 14:16 happy1 wrote:

Here is how I read your bit on Tiberus:

"He seems town, but you know what, I still kinda think he's scum."

On April 17 2011 11:40 happy1 wrote:
Ah yes, glad you can participate when prodded hard enough
##Unvote


My counterpoint:

+

These posts are pretty interesting to look at and are not spam. I can pick and choose too.


You wound me.

Not my fault people are lazy, but then again, I'm fine with wall o' texts when they're not just quoting every single bit just to dismiss it with a sentence.

This is why I like the day vig role. Makes things fun.

but then again, I'm fine with wall o' texts when they're not just quoting every single bit just to dismiss it with a sentence.

On April 17 2011 14:39 grumpy1 wrote:
Doc, could your vote possibly be more OMGUS in nature? I highly doubt either of you are scum -- your argument is silly. There are much better places to put votes right now.

On April 17 2011 14:35 doc1 wrote:

Ok heres how I see you then, guy who posts on how we should use our revealer role and pressures everybody while not really saying anything:

case in point:



You basically pick some longish points call them not spam then make an off handed comment about day-vigs. the part that really piqued my interest was this

This sir is whats called a contradiction. Scum alwats have contradictions its what makes them scummy. A contradiction is when you say something and an action you take completely goes against it.

I hope the rest of town doesnt fall for your bullshit

##Vote Happy1

oh and btw im quite sure in myself right now.

On April 17 2011 14:39 grumpy1 wrote:
Doc, could your vote possibly be more OMGUS in nature? I highly doubt either of you are scum -- your argument is silly. There are much better places to put votes right now.

On April 17 2011 15:04 happy1 wrote:

Then who do you believe IS scum? Saying there are better places means you have to have SOMEONE in mind, eh?
With quotes/reasoning as well plox.

On April 17 2011 12:17 grumpy1 wrote:
As far as suspicious inactive-ish people go, I'm far more wary of sneezy than I am of claudius, now that claudius has posted some.

However, I also want to bring up bashful as a possible lynch target. He made a few posts on the claiming subject that weren't particularly strong and then stopped talking entirely. I'd like to hear more from him.

On April 16 2011 22:52 bashful1 wrote:

No, he was recommending that you claim before you hang. Or at least that's what I think.

I haven't thought through the idea of a mass claim. Early mass claim will lead to everyone claiming townie because, well, mafia won't want to gamble, and blues will want to stay hidden. I would say we should definitely mass claim at LYLO though.

##Vote Grumpy1

Agreed with the post critic, have some pressure.

On April 17 2011 15:43 grumpy1 wrote:


Sneezy made a single shit post when a vote went on him and then disappeared. He's currently the most inactive player. At best he's a dead weight townie, at worst he's scum. I don't have a problem with lynching him.

Bashful hasn't contributed much. He put a vote on me with little to no justification. It makes it look like he's trying to get the bandwagon rolling. His discussion has centered entirely around the claim / no claim debate, and he hasn't bothered to pressure anybody directly. In fact, he hasn't posted all day.

On April 16 2011 22:48 tiberius1 wrote:
Happy, are you advising that we mass claim DESPITE the mod telling us it would be a bad idea? Are you serious? If scum has one roleblocker, they can block medic protection and then kill the cops. Why would you advocate this? It seems to me like an extremely scummy idea.

I'm not saying you're scum (yet), but explain what you're trying to say please.

I'm getting awfully suspicious of caligula and augustus here... they've basically created an argument out of nothing. Perhaps trying to make themselves seem more pro-town? Both seem far more interested in scumhunting day fucking 1 than in creating a good town atmosphere

(not saying scum hunting is bad, just that building a good atmosphere is far more important on day 1. lynch is usually useless and nobody has any analytical material yet).

However, if we were to assume that no mafia has put themselves forward yet this game as a major power player, we'd be idiots. So I think that one of the two of cal/aug (include me to make 3 if you're REALLY unsure) is probably mafia.

I guess we got some targets for checks tonight. me/cal/aug

I guess I'm arguing that mafia isn't horrible and is lurking right now, but I think that in a game RoL is hosting and has so much on the line for, mafia is probably decent players given their % count of the town.

Just because your playstyle dictates that players that come up with good plans are automatically green doesnt mean that mine does, especially for a plan like mine which is recursive and logically demands that I include myself in it.

On April 17 2011 05:06 tiberius1 wrote:
Oh shit. I should probably get a vote in then.

#vote sneezy1 because he literally hasn't posted yet and I want to apply a little pressure.

On April 17 2011 12:36 tiberius1 wrote:
Sooooo people should start posting scum lists... I'm the only one whose done one so far and its a good way to force people out in the open.

On April 16 2011 14:30 dopey1 wrote:
Well okey dokey, I think it's wise to follow the "don't roleclaim" advice (as of now) if the host says so. 2 mafia of 11 seems rather scarce, no? Makes me feel a little shorthanded in the blue department. Also, no role reveal is a bitch, but not like it matters too much yet. I'm guessing with one(?) mafia KP, we should probably vote for it by day 3 regardless and have a potential vig save his shot so we can address different outcomes better.

Besides that, I ain't got shit to say lol...

On April 16 2011 17:20 dopey1 wrote:
I'm thinking because of the GF part? No roles are guaranteed to be in the set-up. I do believe he is right about claims being easily faked. Though I personally think GF is unlikely with no role-reveal. All depends though

On April 17 2011 21:52 caligula1 wrote:
Seeing as dopey is getting modkilled

Unvote
Vote augustus1

On April 17 2011 19:03 bashful1 wrote:

So a pressure vote on you is not direct pressure in your world? I know better than to bandwagon people, in fact I'm pretty certain I scared other people away from voting you. I stand by my vote based on that one post, lucky for you someone popped ahead of you in queue.

Happy provided the one bit of insightful posts in the thread today, rest has been pointless finger pointing. He has also continued to scum hunt and promote activity.

I don't like Tiberius' posting at all:
Points a finger. Doesn't want to commit.
This was posted literally hours into day1. Nobody has posted anything yet. Why would I commit to an FOS based on 6 posts, 4 of them spam?

Points a finger...
...but does not commit.

Classic scum, people already pushed this point beyond reasonableness though.


Pointless plan. What about DT checks who he finds suspicious instead of who asks for it?
Uh... this is exactly that? I just posted who I found suspicious? I included myself for reasons I've posted about numerous times. Its increasingly obvious to me that my analysis was dead on, since people have been coming out of the woodwork to demonstrate why I can't be trusted.

"suspect myself but not really" WIFOM.

You clearly aren't reading very closely. Go back and read the context and this will make much more sense.

His vote. How the hell is it a good idea to put pressure on, if you where just prodded to place a vote before time runs out. Sounds like scum that just want to park the vote somewhere.
How was what you did any different at all? You voted for grumpy based on ONE post and then disappeared for ages. I posted like 12 times giving you all the fodder to make this analysis, came up with a plan for judging scumminess, and posted a scumlist, while you read exactly one post by grumpy and hopped on the bandwagon. To answer your question, its a good idea to apply pressure WHEN IT WORKS. Sneezy posted for the first time in this thread the MINUTE that I voted for him, and it was tangential. Shows hes been reading the thread but hasn't been contributing. I had considered voting YOU before sneezy, but you had that one magnificant post, which along with this one brings your total contribution to this game up to two.
It's a good way to post pointless list. Names are irrelevant, reasons are where it's at. On the same thought thanks for the vote count.

Guess you are off the hook Grumpy1, bigger fish in the sea...

Yes, posting pointless scum lists are a great way to blend in... if everyone else is posting scumlsits! But nobody was. I was the only person (along with happy, i guess, who is the only person in this game I'm convinced is town) who posted any sort of scumlist at all. Drawing attention to myself like that would be stupid. Why don't you post your own scumlist? If you don't post more you're going to be just as useless as sneezy has been this game.

On April 17 2011 23:31 tiberius1 wrote:



WTF is this!? 8 minutes before the day ends he switches his vote?

Vigs hit caligula

This was posted literally hours into day1. Nobody has posted anything yet. Why would I commit to an FOS based on 6 posts, 4 of them spam?

Its increasingly obvious to me that my analysis was dead on, since people have been coming out of the woodwork to demonstrate why I can't be trusted.

How was what you did any different at all? You voted for grumpy based on ONE post and then disappeared for ages. I posted like 12 times giving you all the fodder to make this analysis, came up with a plan for judging scumminess, and posted a scumlist, while you read exactly one post by grumpy and hopped on the bandwagon. To answer your question, its a good idea to apply pressure WHEN IT WORKS. Sneezy posted for the first time in this thread the MINUTE that I voted for him, and it was tangential. Shows hes been reading the thread but hasn't been contributing. I had considered voting YOU before sneezy, but you had that one magnificant post, which along with this one brings your total contribution to this game up to two.

Yes, posting pointless scum lists are a great way to blend in... if everyone else is posting scumlsits! But nobody was. I was the only person (along with happy, i guess, who is the only person in this game I'm convinced is town) who posted any sort of scumlist at all. Drawing attention to myself like that would be stupid. Why don't you post your own scumlist? If you don't post more you're going to be just as useless as sneezy has been this game.

On April 18 2011 00:09 caligula1 wrote:


And? Augustus was a much better lynch than sneezy. Calling for a vig hit night 1 puts you at the top of my scumlist as well.

On April 18 2011 01:00 bashful1 wrote:

Yeah if you raise it you don't straight away try to devalue it. That's just trying to avoid attention. If you don't believe in it, you are suspicious.
This is actually a good point, and I wasn't directly involved I might be swayed by this. The reason for it is simple: Its not my style to accuse people right away. You don't know who I am so you can't judge from meta, but I'm honestly not the aggressive type of player. I don't generally FOS somebody on the first page of the game like happy did. I realize, however, that aggression has its purposes. Hence my lukewarm attempt at pulling sneezy out into the open, and the posts you were quoting here.


There is 2 scum in this game... lol.
Actually, this isn't true. There are 2 MAFIA in a game with 12 players. Do you really think that there are no traitors? We're probably looking at a game with 2 scum and at least one traitor. So when I say 'people are coming out of the walls' I wasn't be metaphorical.


Yeah I had other things to do. I read the post, read the analysis, read the post again and agreed with the analysis. Grumpy remains my second suspect, basicly because noone else has said anything memorable.

This is no flip, scum has few reasons not to be vocal, since town information is so limited. I pointed out where you actually contributed and when you just posted for the sake of posting. The difference between you and Happy is I found your contributions to be a lot less substantial. I'm indifferent to sneezy though, you might have a point there.

"Scum has few reasons not to be vocal" is yet another piece of evidience that my initial analysis was correct, as was my arguements against sneezy. If so, that means that my contributions have SOME substance. I'm reading a bit of a contradiction here.



I'm not saying scum lists are bad, I'm saying you can't just make a list of names with no reasons. Who's that supposed to convince? You where already in the spotlight defending yourself, hence I'm watchful for contributions that really aren't contributions.


Ok, this is another good point. Here is my scumlist with reasons for it. In the spirit of your earlier point, I'll be very aggressive. Oh boy!
1. Sneezy, for lurking until prodded and then posting something scummy/tangential to the important conversations that were happening, which is evidence that he is following the thread but not posting in it. Lurking scum/traitor? Either way I want him gone.
2. doc1, for entirely dodging sleepy's pressure.
3. Caligula for his last minute vote on augustus, which saved sneezy's scummy neck. Saving his scumbuddy sneezy perhaps?

On April 18 2011 03:07 tiberius1 wrote:


There is 2 scum in this game... lol.
Actually, this isn't true. There are 2 MAFIA in a game with 12 players. Do you really think that there are no traitors? We're probably looking at a game with 2 scum and at least one traitor. So when I say 'people are coming out of the walls' I wasn't be metaphorical.

On April 18 2011 03:58 happy1 wrote:
What made you think Dopey was going to be mod killed?

On April 17 2011 22:46 sneezy1 wrote:
Are sneezy and the gang allowed to discuss game-related things at night or should they be sleeping?

And sorry everyone for forgetting to vote someone, haven't had the best day ever, RL affairs came in the way >.<

On April 18 2011 14:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Fuck. No that actually was really bad on my part. Edited. You are not allowed to repost what you saw.