• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 16:53
CET 22:53
KST 06:53
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win0Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175Evil Geniuses - shutting down23ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier7Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1
StarCraft 2
General
No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon [D] Hacker peak in sc2 ? Liquibets sc2 season 30 Evil Geniuses - shutting down
Tourneys
SC4ALL: II Venue Change Announcement! Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV Mondays ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps Starcraft 2 Advance [D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers
External Content
Mutation # 551 Robotic Revival Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles
Brood War
General
List of top players active on ShieldBattery Rollback Netcode in Brood War Sagi.gg Launcher Released BW General Discussion [Megathread] Daily Funny Videos
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [$1250] International ShieldBattery League Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
Strategy
50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Stratus: Battle for the sky now on steam Early acc Deus Ex 3!?
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread Dating: How's your luck?
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Playlenda
Playlendapro
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7137 users

Experiment Mafia I - Page 3

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 18 19 20 Next All
dopey1
Profile Joined April 2011
9 Posts
April 16 2011 08:20 GMT
#41
I'm thinking because of the GF part? No roles are guaranteed to be in the set-up. I do believe he is right about claims being easily faked. Though I personally think GF is unlikely with no role-reveal. All depends though
grumpy1
Profile Joined April 2011
31 Posts
April 16 2011 08:23 GMT
#42
It was sarcasm. I was using sarcasm.

Honestly, there's no reason to play games. (in a manner of speaking) Either say your piece or don't bother. I will say that if you think I've "scum slipped" everything I said is confirmed in the OP.
happy1
Profile Joined April 2011
83 Posts
April 16 2011 08:27 GMT
#43
Also, some math/notes I've put together while idly waiting for more people to start posting.

+ Show Spoiler +
No Vig

D1 9:2
D2 7:2
D3 5:2
D4 3:2 - LYLO

N2 looks best; that way we can check if we are going into LYLO the next day. If we lynch a town on D3, but have 1 scum left, 2 people is a small enough pool to do reasonable analysis on. Best-case scenario is actually lynching the scum the day we use our 1 shot team ability. If we either have lynched or lynch scum it becomes:

D4 4:1
D5 2:1 - LYLO
[/spoiler]
+ Show Spoiler +
Vig Shot

D1 9:2
N1 8:2 (20% chance of shooting Scum)
D2 7:2
N2 6:2 (25% chance of shooting Scum)
D3 5:2
N3 4:2 (33% chance of shooting Scum; Shooting a townie ends the game)
D4 3:2 - LYLO

Pure stat-wise, N2 is the 'best' time to shoot, as we will enter MYLO, rather than a shot on N3 being a gamble of extending the game, or ending it. In all circumstances, if I see a Vig shoot N1 I will probably kill you.

Vig does have some other fun things, but I'd rather wait for them to crop up.
[/spoiler]
happy1
Profile Joined April 2011
83 Posts
April 16 2011 08:34 GMT
#44
On April 16 2011 17:23 grumpy1 wrote:
Honestly, there's no reason to play games. (in a manner of speaking) Either say your piece or don't bother. I will say that if you think I've "scum slipped" everything I said is confirmed in the OP.

Not really scum slipped. Just some odd mentality/wording.

On April 16 2011 15:33 grumpy1 wrote:
In fact, I'm going to go ahead and say that believing any claim in this game is likely a poor idea.

Unnecissary fearmongering; "We don't know if anyone is telling the truth", except...why would a townie lie? Disregarding every single claim is not a good idea at all.

With the no-flip mechanic, we've got no way of safely confirming anything aside from looking at the mafia count. We don't know if a role that's claimed is even in the game at all. With 9 townies and 2 mafia (one of which could be the godfather), it's definitely pretty unlikely that the whole role list is out there -- there's too many places to hide.

Only scum have reason to lie about their role.

And even by knowing how many scum are left helps; As I show in my previous posts' notes, if we reveal scum on N2/D3, we know 2 townies were telling the truth and can more accurately analyze their wagons.

I find the 'mentality' of your post off; enough for my vote in this stage of the game.
happy1
Profile Joined April 2011
83 Posts
April 16 2011 08:37 GMT
#45
To be honest I would have preferred a tracker or watcher to a cop as an investigative role considering many of the possible combinations.
If it was a 12 man game with 2 scum, I woulda been dead-set on there being atleast 1 traitor. Curse you for throwing a curve ball in my setup anlysis :fistshake:
augustus1
Profile Joined April 2011
20 Posts
April 16 2011 12:08 GMT
#46
The only 2 roles that I see that can be verified are cop and vig. And that's only by calling your action right before the day post. If those roles are even in the game. Without a flip the rest are pretty much unverifiable.
From the OP:
As a recommendation. I would HIGHLY recommend not role claiming.

He doesn't say you can't role claim, just that it's probably not a good idea.
Other than the vig or cop I'm going to have to believe that anybody that does role claim is scum.
happy1
Profile Joined April 2011
83 Posts
April 16 2011 12:24 GMT
#47
On April 16 2011 21:08 augustus1 wrote:
The only 2 roles that I see that can be verified are cop and vig. And that's only by calling your action right before the day post. If those roles are even in the game. Without a flip the rest are pretty much unverifiable.
From the OP:
Show nested quote +
As a recommendation. I would HIGHLY recommend not role claiming.

He doesn't say you can't role claim, just that it's probably not a good idea.
Other than the vig or cop I'm going to have to believe that anybody that does role claim is scum.

*sigh* It seems I must break out the diagrams

D1, we have Person A claim vanilla and ends up lynched
D2, we have Person B claim vigilante and ends up lynched
N2 we activate; 2 scum alive
D3, we have Person C claim vanilla, flips Scum

That gives us two solid wagons to analyze as we know they were both town.

D1, we have Person A claim vanilla and ends up lynched
D2, we have Person B claim vigilante and ends up lynched
N2 we activate; 1 scum alive
D3, we have Person C claim vanilla, flips Town

We know either Person A or Person B was scum. And thats where the fun begins. It gives us much more solid base to stand on, than having both of them being in the dark.

Again, there is ABSOLUTELY ZERO REASON for a townie to lie about their role unless they're hurdling themselves off the deep end.

Cop can't be verified on his word/action alone per se; Vig could be verified, but it is only one shot and then he gains a nice bullseye. And heaven forbid we have multiples of any single role.

Just because we're in the dark doesn't mean we need to completely disregard any and all role claims- just take them with a smidge of salt, and are probably going to be more useful in retrospect rather than as-they-occur.
augustus1
Profile Joined April 2011
20 Posts
April 16 2011 12:46 GMT
#48
So are you advocating a mass claiming?
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
April 16 2011 13:25 GMT
#49
On April 16 2011 14:52 happy1 wrote:
@Mod: By 'Role Claiming', does that mean even if we are run up to claim range, we are not allowed to claim a role?
Are you saying its a bad idea to Role Claim, or that it has been made 'against the rules' to Role Claim?
Specifically, are you disallowing the possibility of a mass claim?

I am advising against it. It is however technically legal.
Be a man, Become a Legend. TL Mafia Forum Ask for access!!
caligula1
Profile Joined April 2011
39 Posts
April 16 2011 13:41 GMT
#50
happy - that looks sound. Unless vig/medic or something else happens I would agree with that

I assume what you mean is that the person being lynched should claim before being lynched. Not that there should be any mass claim.

Are we allowed vote for a no lynch?
tiberius1
Profile Joined April 2011
55 Posts
April 16 2011 13:48 GMT
#51
Happy, are you advising that we mass claim DESPITE the mod telling us it would be a bad idea? Are you serious? If scum has one roleblocker, they can block medic protection and then kill the cops. Why would you advocate this? It seems to me like an extremely scummy idea.

I'm not saying you're scum (yet), but explain what you're trying to say please.



bashful1
Profile Joined April 2011
17 Posts
April 16 2011 13:52 GMT
#52
On April 16 2011 21:46 augustus1 wrote:
So are you advocating a mass claiming?

No, he was recommending that you claim before you hang. Or at least that's what I think.

I haven't thought through the idea of a mass claim. Early mass claim will lead to everyone claiming townie because, well, mafia won't want to gamble, and blues will want to stay hidden. I would say we should definitely mass claim at LYLO though.

##Vote Grumpy1

Agreed with the post critic, have some pressure.
augustus1
Profile Joined April 2011
20 Posts
April 16 2011 13:59 GMT
#53
On April 16 2011 22:41 caligula1 wrote:
happy - that looks sound. Unless vig/medic or something else happens I would agree with that

I assume what you mean is that the person being lynched should claim before being lynched. Not that there should be any mass claim.

Are we allowed vote for a no lynch?

How does a medic "happen"? If you read the OP you will see that the medic is not informed if they do a successful protect. Nor is the person they protected.

Actually I'm thinking right now the scum team just outed itself.
Happy and Caligula.
augustus1
Profile Joined April 2011
20 Posts
April 16 2011 14:02 GMT
#54
On April 16 2011 22:52 bashful1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2011 21:46 augustus1 wrote:
So are you advocating a mass claiming?

No, he was recommending that you claim before you hang. Or at least that's what I think.

I haven't thought through the idea of a mass claim. Early mass claim will lead to everyone claiming townie because, well, mafia won't want to gamble, and blues will want to stay hidden. I would say we should definitely mass claim at LYLO though.

##Vote Grumpy1

Agreed with the post critic, have some pressure.

Claiming at lynch is fine and all but it doesn't really mean anything.
Claiming before that is suicide.
bashful1
Profile Joined April 2011
17 Posts
April 16 2011 14:13 GMT
#55
On April 16 2011 23:02 augustus1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2011 22:52 bashful1 wrote:
On April 16 2011 21:46 augustus1 wrote:
So are you advocating a mass claiming?

No, he was recommending that you claim before you hang. Or at least that's what I think.

I haven't thought through the idea of a mass claim. Early mass claim will lead to everyone claiming townie because, well, mafia won't want to gamble, and blues will want to stay hidden. I would say we should definitely mass claim at LYLO though.

##Vote Grumpy1

Agreed with the post critic, have some pressure.

Claiming at lynch is fine and all but it doesn't really mean anything.
Claiming before that is suicide.

It's extra information to the town. For example a mafia claiming a blue role before he hang could be called out on a lie by a blue of the same type. It might save us from mislynching blue. Mass claim at LYLO is a last chance to catch scum in a lie.

Of course, every claim should always be taken critically.
augustus1
Profile Joined April 2011
20 Posts
April 16 2011 14:16 GMT
#56
In this setup it's all WIFOM
bashful1
Profile Joined April 2011
17 Posts
April 16 2011 14:22 GMT
#57
On April 16 2011 23:16 augustus1 wrote:
In this setup it's all WIFOM

That's just fear mongering. We know that we can only have a limited amount of blue's, judging by the number of players and mafia, and we get our one confirmation of alignment. It can verify or disprove alignment and thus lies up to that point.
caligula1
Profile Joined April 2011
39 Posts
April 16 2011 14:24 GMT
#58
On April 16 2011 22:59 augustus1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2011 22:41 caligula1 wrote:
happy - that looks sound. Unless vig/medic or something else happens I would agree with that

I assume what you mean is that the person being lynched should claim before being lynched. Not that there should be any mass claim.

Are we allowed vote for a no lynch?

How does a medic "happen"? If you read the OP you will see that the medic is not informed if they do a successful protect. Nor is the person they protected.

Actually I'm thinking right now the scum team just outed itself.
Happy and Caligula.


Cos hurr durr someone won't die.
augustus1
Profile Joined April 2011
20 Posts
April 16 2011 14:35 GMT
#59
On April 16 2011 23:24 caligula1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2011 22:59 augustus1 wrote:
On April 16 2011 22:41 caligula1 wrote:
happy - that looks sound. Unless vig/medic or something else happens I would agree with that

I assume what you mean is that the person being lynched should claim before being lynched. Not that there should be any mass claim.

Are we allowed vote for a no lynch?

How does a medic "happen"? If you read the OP you will see that the medic is not informed if they do a successful protect. Nor is the person they protected.

Actually I'm thinking right now the scum team just outed itself.
Happy and Caligula.


Cos hurr durr someone won't die.

Hurr durr the medic will hurr durr.

On April 16 2011 23:22 bashful1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2011 23:16 augustus1 wrote:
In this setup it's all WIFOM

That's just fear mongering. We know that we can only have a limited amount of blue's, judging by the number of players and mafia, and we get our one confirmation of alignment. It can verify or disprove alignment and thus lies up to that point.

I'm not fear mongering. I'm pointing out the futility of role claiming.
There will be NO flip reveals. However once per game, starting night two the town may vote to reveal the remaining mafia count, and the alignment of the next person lynched. The mafia count will come with the day post.
This voting takes place during night. This power can only be used ONCE.

We do not get a confirmation of alignment. We get a mafia headcount and the alignment of the person we are going to lynch. We can do that once.
Say we get a count of 1 back after 3 lynches. We know one person lied. Whoopy. The 2 that didn't lie are just as dead. All we know is we still have 1 scum left. We don't know how many blues or greens are left. We know we have 1 scum and we know the alignment of the next lynch victim. None of this information has any bearing on roles.
caligula1
Profile Joined April 2011
39 Posts
April 16 2011 15:09 GMT
#60
On April 16 2011 23:35 augustus1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2011 23:24 caligula1 wrote:
Cos hurr durr someone won't die.

Hurr durr the medic will hurr durr.

Medic successfully protects -> No one dies
Vig hits someone -> extra death that night
Veteran gets hit -> No one dies

You are either trolling or dense, neither are good qualities.

Prev 1 2 3 4 5 18 19 20 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PiG Daily
06:20
Best Games of SC
MaxPax vs Clem
SHIN vs TBD
herO vs TBD
PiGStarcraft433
LiquipediaDiscussion
BSL
05:00
RO24 Group F
Cross vs Puma
Artosis vs Spine
ZZZero.O378
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft433
IndyStarCraft 223
Ketroc 49
EmSc Tv 20
StarCraft: Brood War
ZZZero.O 378
Shinee 32
Terrorterran 7
LuMiX 1
League of Legends
Doublelift3002
Counter-Strike
jkaem73
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu590
Other Games
summit1g8600
tarik_tv6018
Grubby2946
Liquid`RaSZi2044
singsing1611
FrodaN1105
syndereN140
XaKoH 91
NeuroSwarm60
Railgan34
Organizations
Other Games
EGCTV1104
gamesdonequick774
BasetradeTV134
Counter-Strike
PGL74
StarCraft 2
EmSc Tv 20
EmSc2Tv 20
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 79
• musti20045 35
• Adnapsc2 14
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Pr0nogo 16
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis2332
• Jankos2290
Other Games
• imaqtpie1054
• Shiphtur184
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
1h 7m
Replay Cast
1d 1h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 12h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 14h
YoungYakov vs Lambo
SHIN vs TBD
Percival vs Shameless
Solar vs TBD
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
KCM Race Survival
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
IPSL
5 days
TerrOr vs IJ_Terran
rasowy vs Hazorath
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
IPSL
6 days
Art_Of_Turtle vs KameZerg
Radley vs George
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-06
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
Calamity Cup Div. A Season 8
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026

Upcoming

Sector 951
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Underdog Cup 2026 Div 2-3
PGL Bucharest 2027
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.