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dopey1
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grumpy1
31 Posts
Honestly, there's no reason to play games. (in a manner of speaking) Either say your piece or don't bother. I will say that if you think I've "scum slipped" everything I said is confirmed in the OP. | ||
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happy1
83 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + No Vig D1 9:2 D2 7:2 D3 5:2 D4 3:2 - LYLO N2 looks best; that way we can check if we are going into LYLO the next day. If we lynch a town on D3, but have 1 scum left, 2 people is a small enough pool to do reasonable analysis on. Best-case scenario is actually lynching the scum the day we use our 1 shot team ability. If we either have lynched or lynch scum it becomes: D4 4:1 D5 2:1 - LYLO [/spoiler] + Show Spoiler + Vig Shot D1 9:2 N1 8:2 (20% chance of shooting Scum) D2 7:2 N2 6:2 (25% chance of shooting Scum) D3 5:2 N3 4:2 (33% chance of shooting Scum; Shooting a townie ends the game) D4 3:2 - LYLO Pure stat-wise, N2 is the 'best' time to shoot, as we will enter MYLO, rather than a shot on N3 being a gamble of extending the game, or ending it. In all circumstances, if I see a Vig shoot N1 I will probably kill you. Vig does have some other fun things, but I'd rather wait for them to crop up. [/spoiler] | ||
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happy1
83 Posts
On April 16 2011 17:23 grumpy1 wrote: Honestly, there's no reason to play games. (in a manner of speaking) Either say your piece or don't bother. I will say that if you think I've "scum slipped" everything I said is confirmed in the OP. Not really scum slipped. Just some odd mentality/wording. On April 16 2011 15:33 grumpy1 wrote: In fact, I'm going to go ahead and say that believing any claim in this game is likely a poor idea. Unnecissary fearmongering; "We don't know if anyone is telling the truth", except...why would a townie lie? Disregarding every single claim is not a good idea at all. With the no-flip mechanic, we've got no way of safely confirming anything aside from looking at the mafia count. We don't know if a role that's claimed is even in the game at all. With 9 townies and 2 mafia (one of which could be the godfather), it's definitely pretty unlikely that the whole role list is out there -- there's too many places to hide. Only scum have reason to lie about their role. And even by knowing how many scum are left helps; As I show in my previous posts' notes, if we reveal scum on N2/D3, we know 2 townies were telling the truth and can more accurately analyze their wagons. I find the 'mentality' of your post off; enough for my vote in this stage of the game. | ||
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happy1
83 Posts
If it was a 12 man game with 2 scum, I woulda been dead-set on there being atleast 1 traitor. Curse you for throwing a curve ball in my setup anlysis :fistshake: | ||
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augustus1
20 Posts
From the OP: As a recommendation. I would HIGHLY recommend not role claiming. He doesn't say you can't role claim, just that it's probably not a good idea. Other than the vig or cop I'm going to have to believe that anybody that does role claim is scum. | ||
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happy1
83 Posts
On April 16 2011 21:08 augustus1 wrote: The only 2 roles that I see that can be verified are cop and vig. And that's only by calling your action right before the day post. If those roles are even in the game. Without a flip the rest are pretty much unverifiable. From the OP: He doesn't say you can't role claim, just that it's probably not a good idea. Other than the vig or cop I'm going to have to believe that anybody that does role claim is scum. *sigh* It seems I must break out the diagrams D1, we have Person A claim vanilla and ends up lynched D2, we have Person B claim vigilante and ends up lynched N2 we activate; 2 scum alive D3, we have Person C claim vanilla, flips Scum That gives us two solid wagons to analyze as we know they were both town. D1, we have Person A claim vanilla and ends up lynched D2, we have Person B claim vigilante and ends up lynched N2 we activate; 1 scum alive D3, we have Person C claim vanilla, flips Town We know either Person A or Person B was scum. And thats where the fun begins. It gives us much more solid base to stand on, than having both of them being in the dark. Again, there is ABSOLUTELY ZERO REASON for a townie to lie about their role unless they're hurdling themselves off the deep end. Cop can't be verified on his word/action alone per se; Vig could be verified, but it is only one shot and then he gains a nice bullseye. And heaven forbid we have multiples of any single role. Just because we're in the dark doesn't mean we need to completely disregard any and all role claims- just take them with a smidge of salt, and are probably going to be more useful in retrospect rather than as-they-occur. | ||
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augustus1
20 Posts
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On April 16 2011 14:52 happy1 wrote: @Mod: By 'Role Claiming', does that mean even if we are run up to claim range, we are not allowed to claim a role? Are you saying its a bad idea to Role Claim, or that it has been made 'against the rules' to Role Claim? Specifically, are you disallowing the possibility of a mass claim? I am advising against it. It is however technically legal. | ||
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caligula1
39 Posts
I assume what you mean is that the person being lynched should claim before being lynched. Not that there should be any mass claim. Are we allowed vote for a no lynch? | ||
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tiberius1
55 Posts
I'm not saying you're scum (yet), but explain what you're trying to say please. | ||
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bashful1
17 Posts
On April 16 2011 21:46 augustus1 wrote: So are you advocating a mass claiming? No, he was recommending that you claim before you hang. Or at least that's what I think. I haven't thought through the idea of a mass claim. Early mass claim will lead to everyone claiming townie because, well, mafia won't want to gamble, and blues will want to stay hidden. I would say we should definitely mass claim at LYLO though. ##Vote Grumpy1 Agreed with the post critic, have some pressure. | ||
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augustus1
20 Posts
On April 16 2011 22:41 caligula1 wrote: happy - that looks sound. Unless vig/medic or something else happens I would agree with that I assume what you mean is that the person being lynched should claim before being lynched. Not that there should be any mass claim. Are we allowed vote for a no lynch? How does a medic "happen"? If you read the OP you will see that the medic is not informed if they do a successful protect. Nor is the person they protected. Actually I'm thinking right now the scum team just outed itself. Happy and Caligula. | ||
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augustus1
20 Posts
On April 16 2011 22:52 bashful1 wrote: No, he was recommending that you claim before you hang. Or at least that's what I think. I haven't thought through the idea of a mass claim. Early mass claim will lead to everyone claiming townie because, well, mafia won't want to gamble, and blues will want to stay hidden. I would say we should definitely mass claim at LYLO though. ##Vote Grumpy1 Agreed with the post critic, have some pressure. Claiming at lynch is fine and all but it doesn't really mean anything. Claiming before that is suicide. | ||
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bashful1
17 Posts
On April 16 2011 23:02 augustus1 wrote: Claiming at lynch is fine and all but it doesn't really mean anything. Claiming before that is suicide. It's extra information to the town. For example a mafia claiming a blue role before he hang could be called out on a lie by a blue of the same type. It might save us from mislynching blue. Mass claim at LYLO is a last chance to catch scum in a lie. Of course, every claim should always be taken critically. | ||
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augustus1
20 Posts
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bashful1
17 Posts
On April 16 2011 23:16 augustus1 wrote: In this setup it's all WIFOM That's just fear mongering. We know that we can only have a limited amount of blue's, judging by the number of players and mafia, and we get our one confirmation of alignment. It can verify or disprove alignment and thus lies up to that point. | ||
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caligula1
39 Posts
On April 16 2011 22:59 augustus1 wrote: How does a medic "happen"? If you read the OP you will see that the medic is not informed if they do a successful protect. Nor is the person they protected. Actually I'm thinking right now the scum team just outed itself. Happy and Caligula. Cos hurr durr someone won't die. | ||
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augustus1
20 Posts
Hurr durr the medic will hurr durr. On April 16 2011 23:22 bashful1 wrote: That's just fear mongering. We know that we can only have a limited amount of blue's, judging by the number of players and mafia, and we get our one confirmation of alignment. It can verify or disprove alignment and thus lies up to that point. I'm not fear mongering. I'm pointing out the futility of role claiming. There will be NO flip reveals. However once per game, starting night two the town may vote to reveal the remaining mafia count, and the alignment of the next person lynched. The mafia count will come with the day post. This voting takes place during night. This power can only be used ONCE. We do not get a confirmation of alignment. We get a mafia headcount and the alignment of the person we are going to lynch. We can do that once. Say we get a count of 1 back after 3 lynches. We know one person lied. Whoopy. The 2 that didn't lie are just as dead. All we know is we still have 1 scum left. We don't know how many blues or greens are left. We know we have 1 scum and we know the alignment of the next lynch victim. None of this information has any bearing on roles. | ||
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caligula1
39 Posts
Medic successfully protects -> No one dies Vig hits someone -> extra death that night Veteran gets hit -> No one dies You are either trolling or dense, neither are good qualities. | ||
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