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On April 17 2011 00:09 caligula1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 23:35 augustus1 wrote:On April 16 2011 23:24 caligula1 wrote:
Cos hurr durr someone won't die. Hurr durr the medic will hurr durr. Medic successfully protects -> No one dies Vig hits someone -> extra death that night Veteran gets hit -> No one dies You are either trolling or dense, neither are good qualities.
I understand how the roles work I understand how KP works. I also understand how scum like to create pointless arguments on day 1 to fill a game full of bs.
Role claiming in this setup at this time makes no sense.
Role claiming before being lynched is fine. But it is basically useless information.
Medic gets lynched.
Medic claims before nightpost.
Scum hit vet.
Does that verify the medics claim???
Apply that to vig, medic, vet. Any number of scenarios can arise in night actions to make it appear they were telling the truth. It's all WIFOM.
If you are a vig and claim your shot before the day post you would be confirmed if there are 2 kills and 1 was your claimed target.
If you are cop and post your targeted person before the day post and the day post shows that player you are confirmed. You are also likely dead.
For all we know if we had a medic they died 2 days ago.
Now throw in a role blocker. Night actions and results can in no way shape or form be used to determine if somebody has truthfully made a role claim.
You're scum.
##Vote: Caligula1
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Please point out where I suggested roleclaiming at any other time apart from when someone was getting lynched.
Roleclaiming when getting lynched is NOT useless information. When we use the reveal we will know the roles of the dead to a certain degree of accuracy depending on whether 1 or 2 mafia are alive.
Rest of your post makes no sense its just random words. You are coming up with hypothetical situations that have no bearing on this argument whatsoever.
You are spamming useless information and trying to pass it off as scumhunting. You are claiming I've said things that I have not. You are playing way too agressively to be a townie.
##Vote: augustus1
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On April 17 2011 00:35 caligula1 wrote:
Please point out where I suggested roleclaiming at any other time apart from when someone was getting lynched.
Roleclaiming when getting lynched is NOT useless information. When we use the reveal we will know the roles of the dead to a certain degree of accuracy depending on whether 1 or 2 mafia are alive.
Rest of your post makes no sense its just random words. You are coming up with hypothetical situations that have no bearing on this argument whatsoever.
You are spamming useless information and trying to pass it off as scumhunting. You are claiming I've said things that I have not. You are playing way too agressively to be a townie.
##Vote: augustus1
OMGUS.
Nice one too.
I'm aggressive? Before I was dense. Or a troll.
I'm not spamming anything. I'm stating my opinion on role claiming. You are the one pushing an argument.
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On April 17 2011 00:45 augustus1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 00:35 caligula1 wrote:
Please point out where I suggested roleclaiming at any other time apart from when someone was getting lynched.
Roleclaiming when getting lynched is NOT useless information. When we use the reveal we will know the roles of the dead to a certain degree of accuracy depending on whether 1 or 2 mafia are alive.
Rest of your post makes no sense its just random words. You are coming up with hypothetical situations that have no bearing on this argument whatsoever.
You are spamming useless information and trying to pass it off as scumhunting. You are claiming I've said things that I have not. You are playing way too agressively to be a townie.
##Vote: augustus1 OMGUS. Nice one too. I'm aggressive? Before I was dense. Or a troll. I'm not spamming anything. I'm stating my opinion on role claiming. You are the one pushing an argument.
Lets see, you vote me because I advocate mass roleclaiming when I have done no such thing.
You spam a load of irrelevent arguements to prove a point that doesn't exist
You say 'I'm not spamming' when you clearly are.
You voted for me and then say 'I'm not pushing an argument'
Yeah. I'm happy with my vote.
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I don't quite understand all this talk of role claiming or not. Isn't this basically a normal game of real life no-flip mafia except we can find out the alignment of a person we lynched and also how many mafia are left once in the game?
Lets say it's:
Townie
Medic, use power
Townie, flips town, 1 mafia left
That means either the medic claim was fake or the townie claim was fake. But it's not 100% completely guaranteed that we tell with one was lying about their claim and that could lead to some WIFOM fuckery later on.
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except, sleepy, that townie doesn't flip. this is a no flip mafia. We wouldn't know if he was mafia or not until we use the reveal.
I'm getting awfully suspicious of caligula and augustus here... they've basically created an argument out of nothing. Perhaps trying to make themselves seem more pro-town? Both seem far more interested in scumhunting day fucking 1 than in creating a good town atmosphere.
(not saying scum hunting is bad, just that building a good atmosphere is far more important on day 1. lynch is usually useless and nobody has any analytical material yet).
Could cal and aug be mafia buddies? IDK, but both of them are on my shitlist right now.
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..actually, thinking this through, I'm absolutely wrong. There is no reason for BOTH mafia to come out into the light of day DAY 1. That's just asking for one of them to be lynched, and since theres no reveal theres no reason to do that for cred. Its a free scum lynch for us.
Therefore, we can probably assume that there will be no bussing from scum until we decide on a night to reveal mafia count.
However, if we were to assume that no mafia has put themselves forward yet this game as a major power player, we'd be idiots. So I think that one of the two of cal/aug (include me to make 3 if you're REALLY unsure) is probably mafia.
I guess we got some targets for checks tonight. me/cal/aug
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If you wanted yourself checked you could be just GF and wanting town confirmation. That seems kinda scummy in my eyes.
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i'd obviously prefer it if one of the other two were checked. what do YOU propose we do?
Clearly you aren't understanding my thoughts. Let me lay them out in a different way. Right now we have two powerful personalities arguing for a lynch. Both of them have reasons for their arguements (neither side has good ones imo, probably just random pressure), and theres no way for town to figure out who is who at this point.
Also, we can assume that of the major personalities present in the town right now (ie those two and the only other person in this thread so far with an idea, me) at least one of them is mafia. it could be two mafia running about, but I don't think that's likely because it doesnt make any sense to bus one of you this early in the game with no role reveal.
Therefore, the top three candidates for checks are aug/cal/ and myself since we are the only three with presense in the thread. make sense?
I guess I'm arguing that mafia isn't horrible and is lurking right now, but I think that in a game RoL is hosting and has so much on the line for, mafia is probably decent players given their % count of the town.
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Oh. I guess i didn't read carefully enough. Happy has been posting a lot too.
*facepalm*
Now we have 4 check targets. Sigh... my plan is bad...
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 17 2011 00:52 caligula1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 00:45 augustus1 wrote:On April 17 2011 00:35 caligula1 wrote:
Please point out where I suggested roleclaiming at any other time apart from when someone was getting lynched.
Roleclaiming when getting lynched is NOT useless information. When we use the reveal we will know the roles of the dead to a certain degree of accuracy depending on whether 1 or 2 mafia are alive.
Rest of your post makes no sense its just random words. You are coming up with hypothetical situations that have no bearing on this argument whatsoever.
You are spamming useless information and trying to pass it off as scumhunting. You are claiming I've said things that I have not. You are playing way too agressively to be a townie.
##Vote: augustus1 OMGUS. Nice one too. I'm aggressive? Before I was dense. Or a troll. I'm not spamming anything. I'm stating my opinion on role claiming. You are the one pushing an argument. Lets see, you vote me because I advocate mass roleclaiming when I have done no such thing. You spam a load of irrelevent arguements to prove a point that doesn't exist You say 'I'm not spamming' when you clearly are. You voted for me and then say 'I'm not pushing an argument' Yeah. I'm happy with my vote.
I never said you advocated mass claiming. That was asked previously and nobody answered. Was simply the first of two points I was making. The second one was addressed towards you.
The only way to win this game is through analysis. Roles are nice and all but we are all blindfolded. Night mechanics will make it very difficult to determine who is doing what. Hell for all we know everybody has a role.
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On April 17 2011 02:25 augustus1 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 17 2011 00:52 caligula1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 00:45 augustus1 wrote:On April 17 2011 00:35 caligula1 wrote:
Please point out where I suggested roleclaiming at any other time apart from when someone was getting lynched.
Roleclaiming when getting lynched is NOT useless information. When we use the reveal we will know the roles of the dead to a certain degree of accuracy depending on whether 1 or 2 mafia are alive.
Rest of your post makes no sense its just random words. You are coming up with hypothetical situations that have no bearing on this argument whatsoever.
You are spamming useless information and trying to pass it off as scumhunting. You are claiming I've said things that I have not. You are playing way too agressively to be a townie.
##Vote: augustus1 OMGUS. Nice one too. I'm aggressive? Before I was dense. Or a troll. I'm not spamming anything. I'm stating my opinion on role claiming. You are the one pushing an argument. Lets see, you vote me because I advocate mass roleclaiming when I have done no such thing. You spam a load of irrelevent arguements to prove a point that doesn't exist You say 'I'm not spamming' when you clearly are. You voted for me and then say 'I'm not pushing an argument' Yeah. I'm happy with my vote. I never said you advocated mass claiming. That was asked previously and nobody answered. Was simply the first of two points I was making. The second one was addressed towards you. The only way to win this game is through analysis. Roles are nice and all but we are all blindfolded. Night mechanics will make it very difficult to determine who is doing what. Hell for all we know everybody has a role.
SLIP
If you didn't have a role, you'd know that not everyone has roles. This theory would never occur to somebody who doesn't have a role.
Ladies and gentlemen, we have a blue/scum!
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On April 17 2011 01:53 tiberius1 wrote:
..actually, thinking this through, I'm absolutely wrong. There is no reason for BOTH mafia to come out into the light of day DAY 1. That's just asking for one of them to be lynched, and since theres no reveal theres no reason to do that for cred. Its a free scum lynch for us.
Therefore, we can probably assume that there will be no bussing from scum until we decide on a night to reveal mafia count.
However, if we were to assume that no mafia has put themselves forward yet this game as a major power player, we'd be idiots. So I think that one of the two of cal/aug (include me to make 3 if you're REALLY unsure) is probably mafia.
I guess we got some targets for checks tonight. me/cal/aug
Why are you a check target? You seem determined to make yourself a suspect in this, which seems... unnecessarily defensive to me. Nobody's suspicious of you.
Or, at least, nobody was suspicious of you.
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On April 17 2011 02:02 tiberius1 wrote:
i'd obviously prefer it if one of the other two were checked. what do YOU propose we do?
Clearly you aren't understanding my thoughts. Let me lay them out in a different way. Right now we have two powerful personalities arguing for a lynch. Both of them have reasons for their arguements (neither side has good ones imo, probably just random pressure), and theres no way for town to figure out who is who at this point.
Also, we can assume that of the major personalities present in the town right now (ie those two and the only other person in this thread so far with an idea, me) at least one of them is mafia. it could be two mafia running about, but I don't think that's likely because it doesnt make any sense to bus one of you this early in the game with no role reveal.
Therefore, the top three candidates for checks are aug/cal/ and myself since we are the only three with presense in the thread. make sense?
I guess I'm arguing that mafia isn't horrible and is lurking right now, but I think that in a game RoL is hosting and has so much on the line for, mafia is probably decent players given their % count of the town.
So basically their just trying to cause chaos? I dont know about you but causing chaos in the town is a perfectally good scum style although you are the only three with thread presence right now I'm still inclined to believe at least one or two of you are town.
ALTERNATIVELY They could be argueing amongst themselves to confuse town at the same time to try to establish one or the other in a leadership position. For all we know we dont have a medic or a DT or a Vigi. Thats all WIFOM though.
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Ok, lets pretend that my posted that exact post except I didn't say to check myself. Are you still suspicious?
personally, I would be because a plan that relies on judging people's relative force of personality in a group that doesn't take into effect your own effect on that group is fucking stupid.
A surveying example:
If we were measuring the tallest mountains in the world, wouldn't you want to know what elevation you're measuring from? Perhaps you're at sea level, or maybe you're at -1000 sea level. Things like that can seriously screw up surveying. Unless you can actually climb the mountain and measure it yourself (ie rolecheck/killing in a reveal flip game) you need to know precicely where you stand with regards to your target.
Same thing goes for this game. If I were to come up with a plan that basically says "Everyone who has tried to post an idea so far is possibly mafia," wouldn't you be suspicious if I didn't acknowledge that I could be the mafia trying to fit in? I'm posting an idea after all. My own plan implicates me by ommission.
You should be suspicious of me, since my theory demands that you do so. Now that i've come up with a solid plan and idea this early in the game, the chances of me being mafia have risen dramatically. I'm not, of course, but you have no way of knowing that. By drawing attention to myself in this way I'm forcing you to play it safe, which is the way that you should be playing anyway. I'm not going to let this game devolve into xxxviii.
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should ON reveal what his in-thread name is? I want to know who that post is attributed to
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Just modkill me im stupid.
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this is why rol said to use two browsers -_-
EDIT: I AM OBSERVING, SORRY WILL NOT BE POSTING AGAIN
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