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Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
April 15 2011 14:50 GMT
#136
Because of your slip, I no longer suspect Scholesis.

FoS sandroba

Why explain why your town play is bad and then cite a guide you read that explained it was bad?
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
April 15 2011 15:15 GMT
#138
At least I can tell who posted what.
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
April 15 2011 17:55 GMT
#144
Stop calling me Zorkmind!
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
April 15 2011 18:59 GMT
#148
I'm all up for scumhunting, and will defend myself at any point that I think it's necessary. Let's hear from the lurkers!

VarpuliS
Senj
Vain

Penny for your thoughts?
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
April 15 2011 20:51 GMT
#152
On April 16 2011 05:48 VarpuliS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2011 03:59 Zorkmid wrote:
I'm all up for scumhunting, and will defend myself at any point that I think it's necessary. Let's hear from the lurkers!

VarpuliS
Senj
Vain

Penny for your thoughts?



I don't like the idea of lynching active players without a good reason, though, and neither of those reasons are good enough for a lynch. Also, there's practically no way that you've found both the mafia within 24 hours of the beginning of the first day.


I also don't think there are good enough reasons yet to string someone up. I am suspicious about coming to the aid of someone that hadn't even come online yet.

Finding both in like 5 posts would have been damned epic though.
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
April 16 2011 01:03 GMT
#182
On April 16 2011 09:51 Shcoleosis wrote:
After reading this thread entirely, here's what I think on the matter:

In my opinion, one of the first to accuse is usually the guilty one. Automatically everyone’s opinions are immediately placed under suspicion as the game progresses. That being the case, a mafia member wouldn’t express his opinions as eagerly as he would if he were agreeing with someone else’s. He would, however, be quick to blame, because doing so would divert attention away from himself.

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On April 15 2011 20:53 Zorkmid wrote:
My FoS is on Shcoleosis as well for the same reasons, and will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit's argument about this Zorkmind person.


On April 15 2011 20:06 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Also, I think the way Zorkmind is subtly derailing the discussion by talking about less fun in this mafia thread makes me wonder if has a hidden motive.


Zorkmid came up with the idea of lynching inactives and lurkers. That would work out greatly to his advantage if he were part of the mafia since it is more of an opportunity to blend, right? The more we accuse those of having a different opinion, the less of a suspect he seems to be. I am not the first to disagree with him. I am not the first to be accused because I disagreed with him. Notice how Zorkmid says he “will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit’s argument about his Zorkmind person.” Why so defensive, Zorkmid? Perhaps he is afraid of everyone discovering how he is desperately trying to divert attention away from himself. He’s doing a great job of it. I had my suspicions about him early on because he's not only quick to agree with the majority, but he is also quick to blame. I didn't quote any other of his posts, but to me, he acts quite suspicious in most of them.


I've just learned that you should always beware of the person that is the first to agree with a scum read. If I were a mafia I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie.

Misfit was the first to point the finger at me, and I wanted everyone to wait and watch for the second

Question for you Scheleosis......what's your plan to survive tomorrow? I'd say your only bet is to claim blue.

##Vote Scheleosis

Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
April 16 2011 01:15 GMT
#184
On April 16 2011 10:12 Shcoleosis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2011 10:03 Zorkmid wrote:
On April 16 2011 09:51 Shcoleosis wrote:
After reading this thread entirely, here's what I think on the matter:

In my opinion, one of the first to accuse is usually the guilty one. Automatically everyone’s opinions are immediately placed under suspicion as the game progresses. That being the case, a mafia member wouldn’t express his opinions as eagerly as he would if he were agreeing with someone else’s. He would, however, be quick to blame, because doing so would divert attention away from himself.

On April 15 2011 20:53 Zorkmid wrote:
My FoS is on Shcoleosis as well for the same reasons, and will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit's argument about this Zorkmind person.


On April 15 2011 20:06 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Also, I think the way Zorkmind is subtly derailing the discussion by talking about less fun in this mafia thread makes me wonder if has a hidden motive.


Zorkmid came up with the idea of lynching inactives and lurkers. That would work out greatly to his advantage if he were part of the mafia since it is more of an opportunity to blend, right? The more we accuse those of having a different opinion, the less of a suspect he seems to be. I am not the first to disagree with him. I am not the first to be accused because I disagreed with him. Notice how Zorkmid says he “will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit’s argument about his Zorkmind person.” Why so defensive, Zorkmid? Perhaps he is afraid of everyone discovering how he is desperately trying to divert attention away from himself. He’s doing a great job of it. I had my suspicions about him early on because he's not only quick to agree with the majority, but he is also quick to blame. I didn't quote any other of his posts, but to me, he acts quite suspicious in most of them.


I've just learned that you should always beware of the person that is the first to agree with a scum read. If I were a mafia I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie.

Misfit was the first to point the finger at me, and I wanted everyone to wait and watch for the second

Question for you Scheleosis......what's your plan to survive tomorrow? I'd say your only bet is to claim blue.

##Vote Scheleosis



"If I were a mafia, I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie." Uh, Zorkmid, isn't that exactly what you're doing? Wait, isn't that also what you did to Sandroba?? Take a look at the pattern you're creating.

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On April 15 2011 23:50 Zorkmid wrote:
Because of your slip, I no longer suspect Scholesis.

FoS sandroba

Why explain why your town play is bad and then cite a guide you read that explained it was bad?


Exhibit A.



There's a difference between explaining why bad play is bad, and explaining why good play is good.
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
April 16 2011 02:11 GMT
#193
Shcoleosis is as good as anyone to lynch in my opinion. Id almost rather lynch him than a lurker.
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
April 16 2011 17:09 GMT
#217
On April 17 2011 00:46 VarpuliS wrote:
Eternalmisfit: I suggest changing your vote to Senj. This will prevent Shcoleosis and Zorkmid from being lynched, and put some real pressure on the lurker.

scenario 1: Senj/Elmizzt comes back, votes Shcoleosis, Shcoleosis gets lynched. BAD

scenario 2: Shcoleosis gets back first, votes Zorkmid, and Zorkmid gets lynched. BAD

scenario 3: With your vote on Senj, Zorkmid and Shcoleosis both need 2 more votes against them to be lynched, which is unlikely unless the mafia bandwagons, which will give us information about who the mafia is. GOOD


I follow this logic, and most of what I have tried to do so far is get to everyone talking.

So the "lurker" we're all talking about is Senj? I'm changing my vote in the hopes that Senj comes back and we can get a better read on him.

#unvote
##vote Senj


I'm going to post my analysis of each player soon. Stay tuned.

Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
April 16 2011 17:49 GMT
#218
Senj
He has added nothing to discussion at this point and seems like a classic example of lurker. If I cannot find any strong candidates for being mafia by the end of the day, he will be my go-to vote to avoid killing an active townie. (stolen from Misfit)
Unless something changes, this is my vote for day 1

Elmizzit (this guy has got me confused.)
On April 15 2011 23:03 Zorkmid wrote:
Show nested quote +

I'm suspicious that this means that sandroba is scum, and knows that that his scum buddy is going to be inactive.

This points to Forumrite.
Show nested quote +
It doesn't matter that he posted this before he was even PM'ed.....if my assumption about sandroba holds true, than he has already revealed he AND Forumrite.

How do you plead?

This seemed retarded at first, but the more I think about it, the more it makes sense....

It seems too convenient that forumite is afk at the start and that sandroba would make that statement.

Plus, my gut tells me that the first person who breaks and makes an outright accusation is suspicious, and that was Sandroba as well.


I'm a bit suspicious of this, he seems the only one to have outright agreed with my very first observation that Shcoleosis was scum, and therefore Forumite (inactive at that point) was too.

Also, the post I quoted is his only post of substance. The rest were about trying to get inactives to talk (when he is very inactive himself). To me this could indicate either that he feels there isn't much to be said at this point, or that he doesn't want to slip up.

VarpuliS
He has been pressuring lurkers, as I have been. I feel like this is strong town play. Also, he has prodded other players to share their ideas. To me, he is doing as good a job as I am to get as many posts out there as possible for analysis, and this to me indicates strong town play.

Shcoleosis FoS
I'm very suspicious of this player. She has been the first person to echo several ideas of other players....
Example
On April 15 2011 11:12 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Btw I think we should lynch people who are inactive or lurking the boards as it is more likely that they are trying to stay under and radar and avoid suspicion on themselves by barely posting at all.

Yeah, that seem logical. We don't want to kill innocent townies, though...It's the mafia we want gone! I highly doubt any mafia would be lurking or inactive when they have chances to kill. But who am I to say...I'm still learning :/


I also find it very scummy that when eyes are on her, she reminds us that she's new to the game, as if that had anything to do with anything.

Forumite
I initially cast suspicion on this player because he seemed to be one of the inactives I perceived Shcoleosis to be protecting.

Over time I have I grown to feel he is a townie, he has done what myself and Varpulis have done, pressuring lurkers and trying to get the posts flowing.

I have also felt that he has made too many references that try identify who the lurkers are, to me it just came off as trying to lynch a certain inactive that he may is a townie.

Sandroba
Has posted some pretty good analytical thoughts, has seemed very pro town.

There is one mistake he made early on that I just simply cannot get past. And in the wake of what he has posted since, I just can't wrap my head around. I could be nothing, but I think everyone needs to see these two consecutive posts.

1. In response to my first idea that sandroba is scum because he knows that forumite was gonna be inactive and was trying to protect him.

That makes no kind of sense whatsoever. How is me saying losing townies is a bad thing makes me scum? I'm obviously town. The idea of lynching inactives is really just to make sure everyone post enough so we can get a read on them.
Also attacking the one doing analisys on you is not good town play. That's called OMGUS from what I've read. If you really are town then you should either defend yourself or make a case of someone you think is scum (a decent one, not the nonsencical one you've posted) so you can actually help town.
I also have no connection with forumite and I fail to see how you could possibly have drawn this conclusion. And to say it doesn't matter if he posted that before or after he got PM'ed is just LOL.
You are looking more and more like scum to me.


Whoa, I thought that was scholeosis posting that, and I was thinking we had a clear scum for day 1 lynch. Besides the analisys part, since I haven't done one on you, my point still stands. I don't think you are scum though, since you are actually trying to do analises, although not a good one.


I don't know exactly what it means that he has a TOTALLY different idea about a post depending on who posted it, but it's weird.

Vain
Hmm, the reason i voted for shcoleosis is that in my opinion her behaviour was very scummy like( switching sides, saying things like first time playing guys). Witch was pointed out earlyer by the other players before me. She did not post again untill after i voted for her. I may note that the posts after that were not so much scum behaviour, but i am still not really convinced we have a better alternative. Although zorkmid could be suspected due to throwing accusations out like there is no tomorrow, which could be his strategy but is drawing attention to him and would be very risky if he were to be scum. Nevertheless zorkmid would be my number two but only to him being profoundly accusing. I haven't really looked in the accusations of the others too much but i'll try to post an analysis of them later on.


Ok, so my logic for thinking Vain is a Townie is a bit convoluted, but here goes:

I don't think that a mafioso would want to be perceived to suspect two people on opposite sides of the argument between Shcoleosis and myself. I think that Shcoleosis is scum, and I think that if Vain was scum he would be on one side or the other, defending me OR Shcoleosis. Not both of us.

EternalMisfit
Every post I have seen of his, has been thoughtful conversation starting analysis. I think that he has used his voting to spark even more conversation. We'll see how it goes in these last ~10 hours, but I think this mofo is town.
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
April 17 2011 02:09 GMT
#230
On April 17 2011 11:01 chaoser wrote:

Senj the Townie is dead.



No surprise there, see you tomorrow.
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
April 17 2011 04:19 GMT
#238
Varp, great post. Summarizes other peoples opinions well, who do you think is Mafia at this point? Who do you think is [green]town[?green]?

There isn't much in there about what YOU think.
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
April 17 2011 18:34 GMT
#262
Hey all, just skimmed your analysis, GREAT to see it!

I was wrong about this being a boring game! GF and I making dinner for company. I'll try and sneak back for half an hour or so and was thinking I'd try and look at the voting records. Hope to be on soon !
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
April 18 2011 01:10 GMT
#290
I think that most of the arguments are out there already. I don't really have the time to do a detailed analysis, but dinner was a hit! This is an "in case I die post for your reference". Here's who I think are scum, in the order of certitude.

1. Scholeosis
T2. Sandroba
T3. Forumite

If I'm alive tomorrow I promise to go deeper.

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Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
April 18 2011 01:25 GMT
#291
Gah

Forumite and Sandroba should both be T2.
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
April 18 2011 02:07 GMT
#296
On April 18 2011 11:02 sandroba wrote:
I was role blocked.


LOL!

If you were REALLY roleblocked, this means that this is our setup:

1 Mafia Role Blocker, 1 Mafia Goon, 5 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective

Sandroba has claimed detective, and the Medic guessed correctly.

Can anyone else here confirm that if Sandroba is telling the truth (Im not sure) that this is the only setup possible?

Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
April 18 2011 02:19 GMT
#304
Ah, my bad. I even asked earlier on whether a roleblocked townie was told, I just forgot!

So I get the feeling that either myself or Varp was the target last night.

Any thoughts?


Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
April 18 2011 02:38 GMT
#307
So, why voting so early, don't we have 48hrs?
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
April 18 2011 11:23 GMT
#320
On April 18 2011 18:21 Forumite wrote:
Right now I´m suspicious of those who don´t contribute anything, not even aiding or defending those marked for Lynching, just sitting by, silent.

FoS Elmizzt
FoS Vain


This post seems very strange to me...at this point there isn't really anyone marked for lynching, and I'm more suspicious that someone acting protective towards lynch targets are scummy rather than townie.
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
April 18 2011 11:58 GMT
#330
On April 18 2011 20:44 Forumite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 20:23 Zorkmid wrote:
On April 18 2011 18:21 Forumite wrote:
Right now I´m suspicious of those who don´t contribute anything, not even aiding or defending those marked for Lynching, just sitting by, silent.

FoS Elmizzt
FoS Vain


This post seems very strange to me...at this point there isn't really anyone marked for lynching, and I'm more suspicious that someone acting protective towards lynch targets are scummy rather than townie.

What I want is Elmizzt and Vain to actually post their own thoughts, not just an "I agree" when someone else brings up evidence.

I don´t agree that being protective is scummy, sure Mafia wants to protect Mafia, if possible, but there are so few Mafia, and there are a lot of instances where people point out that something is not scummy behavior. I see protecting someone as wanting a thought through lynch rather than lynching whoever makes the worst case for himself.


It is scummy. I wouldn't defend any of the players at the moment as the ones that I think are town can do it themselves (and I would want them to) and I'm not sure about the rest.
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