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 I've only sort of been following this game, so I'll need to read through. Could somebody explain to me why i'm scummy? | ||
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I'm sorry, Batman. ##Vote: bumatlarge | ||
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Thank you, Batman. ##Unvote: bumatlarge | ||
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On April 29 2011 11:31 Impervious wrote: Statistically, it's a far better choice to lynch anyone who got "insufficient analysis" than to try to check them again. I say we go for it. Right now. Maybe get Ace tomorrow? Although, bum, I don't like how you're already revealing yourself..... I don't think you were in any danger yet, so it seems unnecessary at this point. Agreed. Ace should be a prime dt check target for tonight. Either him or bum. Don't bother checking Jackal, chances are it's a waste of your action. | ||
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I really can't understand why you would claim dt because you got an inconclusive result. Now, we can't even verify your claim by lynching you or Jackal, because no matter what either of you flip, we can't confirm anybody. About the crumbs: It's stupid. As somebody said in the thread, it could be said that You're cell leader and I'm a sleeper cell agent because you said Batman in your opening post and I addressed you as batman in a later post. You're not going to live past night two, unless the scum are really stupid. You are aware that we already lost one intelligence agent, right? I'm really not sure about who to vote for at this point. Nobody seems good at the moment. I don't buy the connection between ace and Jackal, because from what I can tell the only evidence is the fact that they both wished Mr. Wiggles a happy birthday. Lynching bum is stupid, he's a dead man walking anyways. I'll have to look through the thread again. I'll post soon with a decision. | ||
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Hardcore lurker here. Has contributed practically nothing. His posts: On April 25 2011 15:02 darmousseh wrote: Hi guys, last three games i either died or got lynched day 1, please don't, i'm town and I want to help town out. Also FOS on anyone suggesting that we use vigilante right away as we have zero information right now. That is all for now. He's town and he wants to help town... by not contributing anything. Very helpful /sarcasm On April 25 2011 15:04 darmousseh wrote: Vain, I hope you aren't a dt because that is the most obvious blue tell ever in my opinion. How is this a blue tell? It's on day 1, and he's making a suggestion to the dt's. I'm not sure how that makes him blue. Not super helpful. On April 25 2011 16:10 darmousseh wrote: I did it because it's the biggest blue tell in the world. "Hey guys, let's dt check someone, don't mind me". It's just bad play, that's it. I have no FoS on him, i'm just saying that if he is dt, then we are screwed because mafia would probably pick that up faster than I did. For this very reason, I recommend a dt checks vein because if he isn't the dt, then he's probably scum with the whole "don't mind me" phrase. Please note that the post of vain's that he quoted above was the only post vain had made. There's not evidence here that I'm ignoring. Still not sure how vain slipped that he was dt. This is a small contribution, there are flaws in the reasoning, and he never follows up on it. On April 26 2011 01:33 darmousseh wrote: I'm in agreement with rean, this doesn't seem like it will help at all. It's better to just try to analyze behavior and get information. It is different than normal mafia, but tells shouldn't be any different than a normal game. The biggest difference is that the mafia can't bus anyone and they are likely to be as sheepy as the rest of town and so it will be difficult to determine scum behavior off of voting patterns only. Ace has already explained their purpose, so I won't again, but part of the idea was to get people talking. Darmousseh never posted a list. On April 27 2011 00:58 darmousseh wrote: I like Gmarshal's post about wiggles, but I would take it farther since his posts seem suspect. Obviously I won't believe his list for sleeper agents, but I can take a guess that mr wiggles is probably scum. ##Vote: Mr. Wiggles I can't seem to find the post that he's referring to. This is sheeping though, and not a good contribution. I'm assuming that GMarshal was just pressuring Wiggles for inactivity, because he removed the vote promptly. Nobody ever argued that wiggles was scum (up until that point in the game at least) On April 27 2011 02:20 darmousseh wrote: It's pretty obvious what he is, but apparently calling out people when they make themselves too obvious to the mafia is frowned upon. People need to stop making so many tells, seriously. What is he? I didn't catch that. He just said "my role is weird" I'm not sure about the tells thing. Darm seems to see them everywhere. That's all! No contribution, no analysis, just filler posts agreeing with other people or being paranoid about blues. Step it up. | ||
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##Unvote: Darmousseh ##Vote: bumatlarge | ||
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On April 30 2011 07:08 Zorkmid wrote: Please don't fuck with the game. This is as bad as still posting in the thread after you die. I agree with Jackal. delete it and GTFO. | ||
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On April 30 2011 09:42 Ace wrote: How did you come to the conclusion there is a 50% chance of getting red? Somebody posted that statistic a while ago. People need to stop using statistics is evidence. They can only get us so far. Analytical reasoning > statistical reasoning in a game of mafia, imo. | ||
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I'm in full support of lynching Darm, but bum makes things so volatile that lynching him simplifies the situation very nicely. That's the logic behind the lynch, anyways. (I think) If I can get enough people behind it, I'd much rather lynch Darm, but I'm not going to waste my vote if it's a lost cause. | ||
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Also, he's liable to get modkilled anyways, and if he does, and we lynch bum, and mafia gets another town kill tonight... we're at lylo, if I'm not mistaken. I feel like lynching darm is simply safer. after all, its a 45% chance that he's scum  | ||
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Any takers? | ||
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##Unvote: bumatlarge ##Vote: Vain | ||
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If even if he is town, he isn't being town friendly. I suggest a lynch on him tomorrow unless we find damning evidence against a scum. I like wiggles' analysis of Impervious, and I agree completely. | ||
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These are the guys I'll be keeping a real close eye on in the future. | ||
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On May 01 2011 13:00 GGQ wrote: f5 lol | ||
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I still think that killing off Darm would be very beneficial to town. | ||
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Tnkted stated earlier that he wanted to attract a hit, and that he was planning to claim in the thread. It looks like his gambit worked, at this point. | ||
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I'm waiting for Darm's analysis and Ace's roleclaim, as well as whoever was hit claiming it, before I make my decision. As of now, I've got a lurker square in my sights. | ||
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@Jackal: Let's wait and see. I'm expecting a full claim from ace, somebody to claim they got hit, and possibly a claim from Tnkted. If nobody claims that they took a hit, then I will agree with you that Ace's claim is bullshit. Plenty of people are still sleeping now, I assume, so it'd be best to wait until all of the facts are on the table before coming to conclusions. | ||
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On May 01 2011 16:40 darmousseh wrote: yay! I didn't die on day/night 1. I'm so happy Tomorrow I'm going to write out my analysis of the game so far.I'm still waiting. If this doesn't get posted soon he's a priority lynch for me. | ||
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Fair point, I'll have to think this over. | ||
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##Vote: Jackal58 Ace is pretty convincing, and it find it unlikely that both he and sandroba are scum. Ace's logic and explanation for his hit on GGQ are solid, and sandroba's been pretty pro-town, imo. That leaves Jackal seeming pretty accusatory and suspicious. Jackal, I don't remember you ever being a big target for scum. Maybe I just haven't been paying enough attention. Ace is likely to die tonight, because he's going to keep intercepting messages from the Cell Leader until they kill him. Lynching him would be stupider than lynching bum was. I haven't forgotten about you Darm, you'd still better post that analysis. | ||
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It was stupid and pretty scummy, to tell the truth. I don't agree with his lynch either, though. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [previous analysis] + On April 30 2011 07:04 VarpuliS wrote: ##Vote: Darmousseh Hardcore lurker here. Has contributed practically nothing. His posts: He's town and he wants to help town... by not contributing anything. Very helpful /sarcasm How is this a blue tell? It's on day 1, and he's making a suggestion to the dt's. I'm not sure how that makes him blue. Not super helpful. Please note that the post of vain's that he quoted above was the only post vain had made. There's not evidence here that I'm ignoring. Still not sure how vain slipped that he was dt. This is a small contribution, there are flaws in the reasoning, and he never follows up on it. Ace has already explained their purpose, so I won't again, but part of the idea was to get people talking. Darmousseh never posted a list. I can't seem to find the post that he's referring to. This is sheeping though, and not a good contribution. I'm assuming that GMarshal was just pressuring Wiggles for inactivity, because he removed the vote promptly. Nobody ever argued that wiggles was scum (up until that point in the game at least) What is he? I didn't catch that. He just said "my role is weird" I'm not sure about the tells thing. Darm seems to see them everywhere. That's all! No contribution, no analysis, just filler posts agreeing with other people or being paranoid about blues. Step it up. This still stands. His only post after is: On April 30 2011 10:56 darmousseh wrote: i don't really have time to play this game. voting bumatlarge An excuse and a bandwagon. On May 01 2011 16:40 darmousseh wrote: yay! I didn't die on day/night 1. I'm so happy Tomorrow I'm going to write out my analysis of the game so far.Promise for an analysis that he still hasn't posted. He's not an urgent lynch, but he's not helping the town. I'm torn right now between him and Jackal. | ||
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His only posts after | ||
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Can I get the reasoning behind that? Seriously, I feel like I'm missing something here. You claim townie, yet you say that because you didn't die, Ace's Undercover Agent claim is fake because he claims to have killed GGQ, even though GGQ was scum. Refusing to accept the claim as well as the supporting evidence behind it and making what is basically an OMGUS vote makes me ever the more suspicious of you. | ||
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Impervious: He's a little suspicious because of his eagerness to side with bum + the breadcrumb Ace intercepted, but I'm getting a town vibe from him, and his posts have been generally constructive and town friendly, if you discount a few early game spam posts/1 liners. Jackal58: He handled the bumatlarge accusation well, but his response to Ace's claim has been very suspicious to me. Looking through his previous posts, I get a scummy vibe. I could go through post-by-post and elaborate if people really want me too, but in the interest of time I'll just leave it at that for now. Mr. Wiggles: He was quite quiet early on, but his activity rose sharply after his finals ended, and he's been posting with quality and frequency since then. I'm calling this strong town play. Ace: I'm inclined to believe Ace's roleclaim, because the evidence fits and his logic and reasoning are solid. I don't agree with the lynch on bum which he spearheaded, but bum could easily have been scum, and the illogic and stupidity of his DT claim didn't help his case. Also, Sandroba's vet claim supports Ace's claim. Eiii: Lurking. Not town friendly. Occasionally pops in with a post, but has made some questionable decisions, and isn't being helpful to the town. Not much more to say about him, because he hasn't given me much to analyze. VarpuliS: I'm pretty sure that I'm town. Still on the fence though. I'll post later with an update + Show Spoiler +jkjkjkjk tnkted: His actions make a lot of sense now seeing as his role is a miller who can absorb infinity nightkills. He wanted to attract hits with his blueclaim early on but stay inconspicous enough that DT's wouldn't check him. I'm buying that role. It's just as weird as he said, and I understand now why he didn't claim it earlier. darmousseh: This dude is lurking so hardcore that he's worse than useless. He's just an extra vote for the bandwagon, and a player who we need to get rid of soon. Either today or tomorrow, we need to lynch him before lylo. I cannot stress that enough. Also, he never posted the analysis he promised to. Sandroba: His vet claim makes a lot of sense, considering the events of last night. He's been quite pro-town with his posting, but then again I only skimmed the first half of them because I don't need further convincing. Maybe I'm just naive. And that just about wraps it up! One of those names is almost definitely mislabeled, and it's probably either Impervious or Eiii, because one of the two of them is almost certainly the third mafia member. | ||
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Analysis of Jackal coming soon, as requested. | ||
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Jackal58 Analysis skipped. After reading through the thread, specifically the last 10 pages, I'm starting to get more of a town vibe from Jackal. He didn't support the bum lynch, and although his opinion about ace/sandroba differs from my own, he's got a good point. I was just sort of calling him scum for disagreeing with me, mostly, and seeing scumtells where there were none. Very bad play on my part. Now I've got to figure out who the scum actually are. Jackal as scum makes all my assumptions work out, but if he's town then at least one and probably more of my previous reads is dead wrong. Take that stuff with a large grain of salt, folks. For now, my vote goes back to guess who? Darmousseh. ##Unvote: Jackal58 ##Vote: darmousseh | ||
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Ace claims Undercover Agent, sandroba claims vet. If one is telling the truth, both are, but if one is lying, then both are. Lynching either would confirm the other as either town or scum. Tnkted's role is almost too good to be true. What makes me less suspicious of him than of Ace + sand is that he claimed after all of the DT's died. now, if we decide to check him, our only method will be to lynch him, which will validate his claim. I say we leave him for later. Lynching him would give us no new information. Jackal58: I'm looking scummy now for jumping on his bandwagon because he disagreed with me, but I'm starting to see his point (because the CL told me to ) He has claimed townie (i'm going to assume). Lynching him would practically confirm Ace/Sandroba as town or scumEiii needs to speak up before I lynch him for being too quiet. His lynch would contribute nothing Darmousseh might have had some RL stuff, I'm going to wait for BB to finish reading the thread and start contributing. If he doesn't start contributing, I'm still up for lynching him. Again, no information would be gained from his lynch Mr. Wiggles + Impervious must be watched closely in case ace flips Undercover Agent when/if we lynch him. This is probably incomplete. I left myself out, for one thing, because I'm obviously biased. I'm thinking we should pick our lynch today based off of the information the flip would give us. Any thoughts? | ||
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On May 03 2011 05:43 VarpuliS wrote: If we could get a little more information (I.e., a strategic lynch on somebody to confirm players as townie/mafia) we could peg at least one, if | ||
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If he's scum, then Ace and sand are town, and we can start looking more carefully at Ace's clues. If he's CL, we'll have struck gold, and we'll have plenty to analyze base off of his previous posting. If he's town, then we throw the one-two punch and lynch Ace and Sandroba back-to-back. ##Unvote: Brownbear (darmousseh) ##Vote: Jackal58 I'm back on you, jackal, but with better reasons this time. | ||
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On April 25 2011 12:21 tnkted wrote: Everyone disregard this (crumbing for later): DSBETNLBNTF Down-on-your-luck Stock Broker Everything was going you way in the mid 2000s. Then the economy tanked, you lost most of your wealth, and your wife divorced you and took what was left! Now you are stuck roaming the streets of Liquidville. Because you are homeless, everyone in town is suspicious of you – investigations on you will always return “Not Town”. Fortunately for you, though, at night you can disappear into the alleyways, making it impossible to find (and then shoot) you! DSBETNLBNTF. The capital letters of the PM match the breadcrumb he left. Either this is a genius fake, or he was smart and gave us a way to confirm him. His role is so strange that more explanation is neccesary than "you went to war, you've got an extra life" iGrok might as well have just pm'd sandroba You are a veteran, you have an extra night life That would not have been possible for tnkted. also, this is a role that iGrok invented, it seems. it makes sense that he would put more effort into it than sandroba's run-of-the-mill veteran role. Ace, could you post your pm too for comparison? I think that there's less reason to lynch tnkted than there is to lynch Jackal, plain and simple. I'm not lynching jackal just for the information, sand. I think that there's a genuine chance that he could be scum, just like everybody else. The difference is that if i'm wrong, i'll have a much better idea who to lynch next. If tnkted wants to derail the Jackal vote, doesn't it make more sense to vote for jackal anyways? Because if he is, they're both scum, and I've already pointed out why Jackal makes a very smart lynch in the case that he's scum. Don't you want to confirm yourself, sand? | ||
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There wasn't any coloring in my pm either, but then again, it was just the townie role from the role list (minus the bold and the green). That's why I'm asking Ace to post his, for comparison. | ||
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Thinking about the role objectively, why would a miller need to be bulletproof anyway? If the mafia is stupid enough to kill him, it's their loss. Why would you lurk so much if you knew that you couldn't get hit at night? Wouldn't you try to be as town friendly as possible so that mafia would try to kill you? Instead he says "i'm being quiet so that dt's don't check me." His role is an excuse to lurk... and you all know how much Jackal and I have lurkers. I'm switching to tnkted, but BrownBear had better post soon, or else i'm switching. we're probably going to get the information that we need from the nightkill, so we might as well lynch the scummiest player today. | ||
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Ace: 0 Jackal58 1 Impervious Brownbear(Darmousseh) 2 Ace Mr. Wiggles. Mr. Wiggles 1 tnkted tnkted 3 sandroba Jackal58 VarpuliS tnkted is to be lynched with 3 votes. Voting ends in 4 hours and 15 minutes. | ||
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Why is Wiggles scum? How about Jackal? I'd like some reasons that don't involve inconclusive DT checks or vague breadcrumbs. How do you know that it's lylo? unless mafia started out with 6, which I doubt, lylo is tomorrow at the earliest. They don't win unless they OUTNUMBER the town. read the OP. If we mislynch today and BB gets modkilled, we instalose unless the mafia have less people left than we thought. I'm calling scum. FoS for tomorrow. | ||
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Original Message From iGrok: You will be replacing in for why. Here is your role: HONEST CITIZEN: You are a peaceful citizen of Liquidville. How could a terrorist cell ever appear in your town?! Your goal is to survive and help town discover and kill the Sleeper Cell. You have a single vote by day. glhf ^^ Notice how it's exactly the same as in the OP, sans the the green and the bold. From the OP: On April 08 2011 14:51 iGrok wrote: HONEST CITIZEN: You are a peaceful citizen of Liquidville. How could a terrorist cell ever appear in your town?! Your goal is to survive and help town discover and kill the Sleeper Cell. You have a single vote by day. Your role isn't even in CAPS, because that would mess with your little breadcrumb, wouldn't it? I was hesitant before, but with Wiggle's vote we can lynch this liar now. ##Unvote: BrownBear ##Vote: tnkted BB, please show up in time to avoid the modkill. We could all do without another one. | ||
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Darmousseh didn't leave us with much to work with. | ||
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I'm going to sleep now. I'll see you guys tomorrow if I survive the night. I really don't have anything more to contribute atm. I'll update my suspect list, though, before I turn in. + Show Spoiler [Updated player reads] + Impervious: Opinion has changed. I'll do a more full analysis tomorrow, but suffice to say his most recent actions haven't been super town friendly. Jackal58: Bad accusation based off of poor evidence. Mr. Wiggles: He was quite quiet early on, but his activity rose sharply after his finals ended, and he's been posting with quality and frequency since then. I'm calling this strong town play. unchanged Ace: I'm inclined to believe Ace's roleclaim, because the evidence fits and his logic and reasoning are solid. I don't agree with the lynch on bum which he spearheaded, but bum could easily have been scum, and the illogic and stupidity of his DT claim didn't help his case. Also, Sandroba's vet claim supports Ace's claim. unchanged Eiii: Lurking. Not town friendly. Occasionally pops in with a post, but has made some questionable decisions, and isn't being helpful to the town. Not much more to say about him, because he hasn't given me much to analyze. unchanged VarpuliS: I'm pretty sure that I'm town. Still on the fence though. I'll post later with an update + Show Spoiler +jkjkjkjk unchanged replacement has been equally inactive. Weird. Sandroba: His vet claim makes a lot of sense, considering the events of last night. He's been quite pro-town with his posting, but then again I only skimmed the first half of them because I don't need further convincing. Maybe I'm just naive. unchanged | ||
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gl town! | ||
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On May 06 2011 12:04 GMarshal wrote: [spectral voice] day ends at midnight, no?[/spectral voice] [spectral voice]Not for XXXIX...[/spectral voice] | ||
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This was a great learning experience. Good game guys! | ||
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