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sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 26 2011 16:04 GMT
#257
What the hell? Can you at least make your actve lurking less obvious? I never though you were mafia last game. This one I do.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 26 2011 20:16 GMT
#294
GM that makes a lot of sense. Who do you sugest to lynch? What's your opinion on zorkmid?
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 26 2011 21:54 GMT
#300
I would like to suggest you post your info right now, so it can be relevant to the current lynch. If you post it in a few hours, it's gonna make no difference, at least for today. There was enough time already for anyone willing to answer your questions to have done so.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 26 2011 23:57 GMT
#311
The first scenario makes no sense to me. So ace is trying to bus why (or vice-versa) by voting you? Is there something I'm missing here?
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 27 2011 14:39 GMT
#354
On April 27 2011 11:28 tnkted wrote:
I actually wanted to draw a hit from mafia tonight, hopefully I did. I'll explain after the day post.

Some people weren't content letting me play my game (jackal, of whom I would expect nothing less, impervious, who I think is just new, and zorkmid, who got overly defensive when he was FOS'd and immediately latched onto what he considered the weakest player). This was pretty stupid on their part. I think most of the rest of the crew here understood that I was trying to draw mafia attention with my 'fake' slip. Ace certainly got it, when he called it bad play, and I think darm understood it. I didn't realize Ace was so well regarded in the mafia community, but apparently he is and he's probably going to be killed tonight. If I were scum I'd vote for him. Hopefully my gambit drew enough votes to save him.

Full claim after the post.


I agree with your list GM, and would like to suggest adding tnkted to the DT list. I previously had a slight town read on him, but I find it hard to believe this wasn't done on purpose. C'mon, not reading the thread before posting this and claiming missing the the night post by about 23 hours?
I also don't understand how he can be so sure ace is not scum to go out of his way to do this, just to fuck up his own genious plan before it came to fruition.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 27 2011 16:24 GMT
#363
If zorkmid ends up being mafia I'd like to claim the title of being the best day1 scumhunter to ever have walked the earth. Too bad this game has too many egos and no one finds it important to read my posts in detail.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 27 2011 17:06 GMT
#365
Whoa, zork, this is nothing personal. No need to get all worked up about it.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 27 2011 17:09 GMT
#366
Care to explain the last minute change of mind?
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 27 2011 17:37 GMT
#368
On April 27 2011 01:01 Zorkmid wrote:
Sandroba, I think you're town. You thought the same thing about me last game too and you were town then.

By the way, you're dead wrong again.


On April 27 2011 02:21 Zorkmid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2011 01:04 GMarshal wrote:
On April 27 2011 01:01 Zorkmid wrote:
Sandroba, I think you're town. You thought the same thing about me last game too and you were town then.

By the way, you're dead wrong again.


Weigh in then please, who do you think is mafia? Why? Lynch is in less than 10 hours, who would you like to see dead?

While I'm throwing questions around, if you were a DT who would you check tonight? If you were a busdriver what two people would you swap? why?


If I had to guess right now who is mafia I'd say that Tkdted is the most likely. The problem is that I'm afraid that he's equally likely to be a helpful role.

Beyond him, I'd say that Mr. Wiggles is a good candidate for no other reason of inactivity.

I'm also suspicious of Sandroba, who tried to cast me as mafia in the "surprising normal game I", I feel like he is acting much like he was last game, so maybe he's changing things up on purpose.

If I were a DT, a good idea would be to check Tkdted because of his strange claim, maybe sandroba. If I was stuck for someone to check, I'd pick someone with a low post count (Im not quite sure who that is right now, but I'd find that out)

Last game, I made it very clear I though zorkmid was town since day1. Everyone can go to the thread and read it, it's a short game. What made you change your mind so quickly? First you say you think I'm town then you say you are suspicious of me when I call you out on playing different than last game when you were town. Does not make sense to me.

On April 28 2011 02:17 Zorkmid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2011 02:06 sandroba wrote:
Whoa, zork, this is nothing personal. No need to get all worked up about it.


I'm not worked up, but if you're aiming for best scumhunter ever, you gotta have a risk attached to it!

I basically changed my mind because Mr Wiggles became more active after pressure was put on him.

Isn't that a reason to suspect someone of being scum even more? Were you afraid to lynch your buddies day1?
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 29 2011 06:03 GMT
#459
On April 29 2011 14:09 bumatlarge wrote:
I thought I could get away with not claiming today. I had reason to believe through my gut that you are an agent with jackal as cell leader. Why had the same feeling as well. Having you get lynched means I didn't have to waste a check, means jackal would either be certain CL or less likely CL and means I had another check on other people I could have done analysis on. I was hoping why would build a good case on you, take the hit as green, hopefully, and I could get in another check. I was planning on claiming if the lynch wasn't going on jackal or ace. It wasn't til after my analysis/claim that I saw you were shifting it on to me.

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On April 29 2011 13:35 GGQ wrote:
Also, something I forgot to mention before. You seem to think that lynching the cell leader will remove the scum's ability to communicate, but scum gets a new cell leader chosen, so... yeah.


Fuck.

Still, lynching me doesn't matter. That's an alternative. Ace is just making either another one of his failed assessments, just like pyr in penalty, or he's scum trying to make this seem like one of his failed assessments. Jackal popping now or tomorrow would let me know which. If I don't get lynched today I can get another check off if scum doesn't kill me, which I don't see why they wouldn't.

It's up to the rest of the town, I've done my bit. I'll respond to wiggles in a moment.

Alright, let me try to make sense of all of this. First, I stated previously how claiming DT early was a terrible move for town because there are no medics in this game and possibly 5 mafia. Bum seems to realise this, but he hasn't tried nearly hard enough to lynch jackal. He claimed DT 7 hours into the day and did not even try to make a case for jackal. Also, trying to link ace to jackal makes no sense to me. As I've stated before CL would have to be really dense having to relly on the thread to comunicate with his agents. The way ace is posting especially on day one only makes sense to me as CL or townie. He drawing the stoplight too much onto himself and is begging for a DT check.
Then bum claim in the above post doesn't make any sense either because he did not even wait to see how town would react before claiming. Only a few of us have expressed their opinion so far and this seems a bit hasty.

If I was the DT, why would I take such a huge gambit? Isn't making a case for jackal and seing the town's reaction first the safest and best move?
I've looked at jackal's posts and they seem too careless and not well thought out. I don't know about jackal's previous meta, but looking only at this game I don't feel like he's likely to be scum.

Also I have strong reason to believe bum (zorkmid) is scum. I've already made my acusations and you can read them on my posts on day1 and night1. Zork has stated several times that I tunneled him on the previous game and that's outright a lie. I never acused him of being scum nor voted for him even once. Since no one has the time to check that thread let me quote one of the posts I've made day1 on the last game:
On April 16 2011 19:31 sandroba wrote:
Well, I particularly think zorkmid is town because of the following:
Zorkmid analised me while I was posting analisys of scholeosis so if both zorkmid and scholeosis were mafia scholeosis wouldn't try to make him a supect. It only makes sense to me if zorkmid and scholeosis are both town or scholeosis is mafia and zorkmid is town. I'm going to follow my gut instinc that they are both town for now.If zorkmid is mafia and scholeosis is town zorkmid would know that and wouldn't mind lynching him so there was no need to pressure me.
There is no way they are both mafia as they wouldn't try to buss each other so early in the game. So I'm leaning towards zorkmid being town and I don't know for sure about scholeosis.
##Unvote
##Vote: Senj


I can't see a way how bum could possibly be DT, so that makes him scum.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 29 2011 07:07 GMT
#462
I can't fathom the idea of you playing this bad if you are indeed the DT.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
May 01 2011 16:30 GMT
#605
First of all, I'd like to apologise for not posting much for the last couple days. I'm not at home right now and I'm posting this through my phone.
Second, I'm ex-marine (vet) and I got shot last night. My main FoS right now is Darmousseh, Eiii and Jackal58. I believe Imprevious to be town. I'll post some analysis when I arrive.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
May 02 2011 04:58 GMT
#655
I'm posting this drunk but I hope it makes sense. Tomorrow I'll post a more thourough analysis if needed.
I previously stated taht I believed jackal to be town but after seen ace's LOL messages I am convinced taht he's mafia.
On April 25 2011 21:46 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 21:41 sandroba wrote:
I think this discussion about breadcrumbs is not productive at all, specially if you reveal your strategy before you put it in practice. Doing what you are suggesting is going to make scumhunting more difficult imo. Also I don't think that's the way mafia is going to identify each other, as there are several other more obvious ways I can think of.

Please share.

On April 25 2011 23:14 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 22:58 sandroba wrote:
On April 25 2011 22:54 Ace wrote:
On April 25 2011 22:46 sandroba wrote:
Ace, I trust your analysis and think you are a smart player, but I don't like the idea of feeding ideas to the cell leader. I don't see how this can be helpful for town as I can think of other methods of comunicating with the sleeper agents that do not involve using the posts in this thread.


Well you can keep those methods to yourself since you don't seem intent on sharing. What I'm doing here is something else. Guess you'll just have to read into it a bit more.

I'm going to post my three people without the msg then.
Ace, GM, Mr. Wiggles.
I would inform them of all other mafia players so they can operate normally without the fear of mislynching one of the other agents.

Well thanks for that. And how would you transmit this information? You said you can do so without posting anything in the thread. I'm curious how that mechanic would work. You can't send names. You can only contact 1 at a time. You have 5 words or 20 characters/msg.
Please don't answer that. God forbid the cell leader gets his hands on super secret stealth communications abilities.
Please stop posting pointless "I would do something but I'm not telling you what it is" posts.
This thread is for discussion. If you don't feel you can discuss something don't mention it. You're beginning to look a lot like somebody that wants to post a lot of useless stuff just to appear to be contributing.

I thought at first he was too careless and naive to be mafia, but after seen the messages from ace and the fact that he came back as "insuficient information" from bum's check, I believe him to be the cell leader. Those messages are so bad it makes sense that jackal is scum. I've read other games and his meta is definitively diferent than when he was town so I believe he is scum. Jackal if you realy are cell leader, I must say you should be ashamed of yourself because those messages are LOL.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
May 02 2011 16:36 GMT
#664
On May 02 2011 23:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2011 13:58 sandroba wrote:
I'm posting this drunk but I hope it makes sense. Tomorrow I'll post a more thourough analysis if needed.
I previously stated taht I believed jackal to be town but after seen ace's LOL messages I am convinced taht he's mafia.
On April 25 2011 21:46 Jackal58 wrote:
On April 25 2011 21:41 sandroba wrote:
I think this discussion about breadcrumbs is not productive at all, specially if you reveal your strategy before you put it in practice. Doing what you are suggesting is going to make scumhunting more difficult imo. Also I don't think that's the way mafia is going to identify each other, as there are several other more obvious ways I can think of.

Please share.

On April 25 2011 23:14 Jackal58 wrote:
On April 25 2011 22:58 sandroba wrote:
On April 25 2011 22:54 Ace wrote:
On April 25 2011 22:46 sandroba wrote:
Ace, I trust your analysis and think you are a smart player, but I don't like the idea of feeding ideas to the cell leader. I don't see how this can be helpful for town as I can think of other methods of comunicating with the sleeper agents that do not involve using the posts in this thread.


Well you can keep those methods to yourself since you don't seem intent on sharing. What I'm doing here is something else. Guess you'll just have to read into it a bit more.

I'm going to post my three people without the msg then.
Ace, GM, Mr. Wiggles.
I would inform them of all other mafia players so they can operate normally without the fear of mislynching one of the other agents.

Well thanks for that. And how would you transmit this information? You said you can do so without posting anything in the thread. I'm curious how that mechanic would work. You can't send names. You can only contact 1 at a time. You have 5 words or 20 characters/msg.
Please don't answer that. God forbid the cell leader gets his hands on super secret stealth communications abilities.
Please stop posting pointless "I would do something but I'm not telling you what it is" posts.
This thread is for discussion. If you don't feel you can discuss something don't mention it. You're beginning to look a lot like somebody that wants to post a lot of useless stuff just to appear to be contributing.

I thought at first he was too careless and naive to be mafia, but after seen the messages from ace and the fact that he came back as "insuficient information" from bum's check, I believe him to be the cell leader. Those messages are so bad it makes sense that jackal is scum. I've read other games and his meta is definitively diferent than when he was town so I believe he is scum. Jackal if you realy are cell leader, I must say you should be ashamed of yourself because those messages are LOL.

I am not the cell leader. I am not scum. Those messages are pure fabrication by Ace.
I also resent the implication that I'm stupid. "Herp derp. Stoopid messages Jackal must be the cell leader derp"
You're scum. I know it. You know it. Ace knows it. Claiming Vig/vet tandem is as old as this game is. They're both one and done roles that require no further actions from you guys because you would have none. So easy peasy claims to make.
If Ace was vig/sooper spy or whatever he wants to call it he would have claimed his shot moments before the day post went up. Anything after that is suspect. You popping up with a vet claim right after his sooper spy claim is just as bogus. You two are scum.


I've read my post yesterday and I realise I was very out of line and I apologize. I didn't mean you are stupid, but maybe you were not so experienced playing on the mafia side. I've read some of your previous games and your meta is definitively different form when you were town. Also, the fact that you were pushing me hard to reveal info helpful to the cell leader makes sense if you are scum.

On May 03 2011 00:26 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I want Sandroba to post his full role. At the moment, I'm not sure if I believe him or not, because it seems pretty weird for several reasons. Firstly, why did scum hit him? He was lurking so hard on day 2 that when he posted his vet claim, I needed to check the player list to make sure he was actually in the game. So, I don't get why two or more members of the mafia thought that it was best to hit him, but not any other, more active, player. Next is the name of the role, which doesn't say much by itself, but my gut reaction is to be suspicious, especially with such a short claim.

So, I'd like to ask san to post the full text of his role, because that might help clear things up or not. If he's lying, then I think our scum team is Ace/San/Varp.


Ex-Marine
You came back from the war, only to find your hometown overrun by terrorists! You have found that it is difficult to adapt to civilian life, however your experiences in the war make you hard to kill. It takes 2 successful hits to take you out. You will be notified when you lose your "extra life".

The only reason I can think of me being shot last night was to narrow down the scum list previously posted by bum. Assuming jackal is scum that would link you and ace directly to him if he got lynched today.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
May 02 2011 17:58 GMT
#667
From the other games you were town you were very agressive and abrasive. You seemed to tunnel people a lot more. You seem too mild and behaved this game.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
May 02 2011 18:15 GMT
#669
Yes, I realise that. My reasoning is actually a sum of factors. In that quote I was only responding to his question.
1) Change of meta.
2) Bum's check which makes him at least 50% to be mafia as imprevious pointed out.
3) The conjuction of the messages intercepted by ace and the fact that jackal pushed me to reveal how to make all mafia's players know in one message.
4) Switching his vote to bum after saying he believed him to be the DT.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
May 02 2011 20:56 GMT
#686
I don't agree with you about lynching for information, but I took a closer look at tnkted role claim.

Down-on-your-luck Stock Broker
Everything was going you way in the mid 2000s. Then the economy tanked, you lost most of your wealth, and your wife divorced you and took what was left! Now you are stuck roaming the streets of Liquidville. Because you are homeless, everyone in town is suspicious of you – investigations on you will always return “Not Town”. Fortunately for you, though, at night you can disappear into the alleyways, making it impossible to find (and then shoot) you!


Besides this role making no sense at all to me there are a couple things that stood out. First the colored tittle. I don't know about you guys, but my role pm has no color. He's putting emphasis on the fact that he is town. Second "Everything was going you way". Seriously, a gramatical error in a role pm? Third, and this is kind of minor, but I find it weird that his name is tnkted and there is "Then the economy tanked". It's like he's making fun of us.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
May 02 2011 21:07 GMT
#687
I'm pretty convinced tnkted is scum. Besides from the inconsistencies on him role pm, he goes ahead and vote for wiggles based on the part of the message intercepted by ace. He does no analysis and even say he could be wrong and it might be imprevious aswel. It seems to me he's trying to derail jackal's lynch. Maybe you succeded because I'm voting for you.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
May 02 2011 21:41 GMT
#691
Wow, I didn't realize that, it's clever indeed, but I fail to see how that confirms him as townie. He has been planing to role claim since the begining of the game and it makes sense for him to have written it then. Also how do you explain the "you" instead of "your" and the colored title in his "copy-paste"?
I'm fine with jackal lynch aswel, because I think they are both scum, but I'm not as interested in confirming myself as town as I am in finding scum.
And sure, ace posting his pm would be nice.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
May 04 2011 10:45 GMT
#761
@Imprevious Your explanation makes some sense to me, but the fact that you made a huge post at night time giving reason as to why killing varpulis would leave us at the maximum level of confusion makes me eerie. That post makes way more sense as mafia than as town to me. So, it's nice and all that your "gambit" payed off, but it didn't exactly put us in a better position because it just added to the confusion.
After seeing Jackal's non logical post about how ace is mafia and so you are the canadian, I'm inclined to think you are town, as I've had a town read on you all game long, and I strongly believe jackal to be mafia. That post kind of sealed the deal for me.
I want to hear more from Eiii and BB, but I still think lynching jackal is our best bet.
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