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On March 26 2011 18:52 Tackster wrote: I'm /in - seems clearer than insane mafia  Don't worry! No one gets insane mafia! There are a few things I don't understand too. | ||
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Can someone link me Mr. Wiggle's latest analysis of people? Thanks! | ||
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On April 14 2011 03:06 CubEdIn wrote: In all fairness, I came in as a replacement during the night, posted twice, and died. I deserve to live at least a day.  I was suppose to replace Pandain, but he died too, so I'm now ON. | ||
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Night 1 ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/GWc7b.jpg) Click me for larger size! I'm inclined to believe the fourth case, that Flamewheel is SK and realized after loosing the election he has to do something drastic to try to throw off the other SKs. As the same time though, I'd assume that SKs would have DT checked Flamewheel night 1 so it doesn't really matter in the first place. Note SK=Ninja/Assassin as it's easier to write. And because I didn't read the OP carefully enough before I made the picture | ||
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Correction! ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/78a7C.jpg) Lynch Flamewheel! It's a win win! The situation we are looking at is probably situation two. Flamewheel is Mafia, Coagulation is Town Why is this believable? Remember, Flamewheel is still alive today. This must mean that the SKs didn't shoot him. After all, the SKs have a large incentive to shoot Flamewheel, if they succeed they get their banhammer back. This is explained by Flamewheel posting that there are three ninjas. Sks didn't believe him so they didn't shoot him. But now why is he making these wild statements? Because he is mafia. Consider Flamewheels options if he really was DT. Day1, he wants to be mayor. Would you claim DT or Assassin? Obviously you'd claim DT. Although it might get you roleblocked, being an Assassin will also get your roleblocked. Day2, if he actually was DT and got a red check, would he publically claim in thread that he was DT? No! If he does so he's going to be hit night 3 and roleblocked. Instead he should just do the standard do lots and lots of analysis on Coagulation. Now think if he is mafia. Day1: How would he run for mayor? He doesn't have the 'name' that Gmarshal and Doc has because he is smurfing and the players here are relativity new. So he puts together a really convoluted claim. Day2: He knows his time is short so he tries his best to cause chaos before he is dead. TLDR: Flamewheel is not playing like a DT and therefore isn't one ##Vote: Flamewheel | ||
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On April 14 2011 04:42 GGQ wrote: LSB, Assassin's couldnt use any powers night one, so if FW is black he couldnt check coagulation, and other assassins couldnt check him. Oh. That would explain alot if Flamewheel is black. Flamewheel needs to get medic protection any way possible, so he does analysis on someone and tries to find a red. | ||
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He's calling Coagulation scummy because all coagulation has been doing is But that's not all. The whole game, he is useless and does nothing except spam and spread doubt on the mayoral candidates. The more interesting and important point though, is that he has an utter lack of conviction on who could be mafia. It completely ignores Coag's town play. You guys have played with coag before. All he does is spam, and yell at people. I have never seen Coag do analysis. In addition, Flamewheel is saying Coagulation is red for two things 1) Going against his campaign 2) Trying to not get kavdragon lynched + Show Spoiler + Btw why was kavdragon lynched? I just seems stupid that you guys would lynch him These aren't mafia traits. These are completely town traits. I don't see why it benefits the town to have an SK as a mayor. And I don't see why you guys should have lynched Kavdragon. So why are you blindly following Flamewheel? Just because he's a vet? If you don't think he is blue, lynch him. | ||
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On April 14 2011 04:57 ilovejonn wrote: Coagulation if you're playing pro-town, please come up with your analysis of who we SHOULD lynch instead. I know defending yourself is important but at least, like Kavdragon, post out all your thoughts when there is a high chance of you dying today. lol. Since when has Coagulation done analysis? Lynch Flamewheel. I don't see any benefit in keeping him alive | ||
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On April 14 2011 05:03 BrownBear wrote: Nice, 3333 posts ^^ (the above post is not commentary on the game in any way) And goddammit, you just ninja'd me and changed your postcount anyway. Nevermind, carry on. Sooner or later I'll lose my DT and I'll break down and cry  | ||
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![[image loading]](http://www.mtgcardshop.com/images/cards/1007/angel%20of%20light.full.jpg) This picture was only to get you to read this post Why you should lynch Flamewheel. Flamewheel is clearly not blue. We know this because he does not play like a DT. This is true for two reasons. 1) He claimed assassin instead of DT day 1. Either role will be roleblocked as mafia, and as DT he should have tried to stay away from the spotlight, instead of claimming a role that will results in three hits on him night 2 2) He claimed DT day 2 instead of simple analysis to push Coag. There is a reason why DTs don't publically claim day 2. Because the momement a DT claims, they will be roleblocked/night hit until they are dead. This means Flamewheel must be red or black. Lynch him | ||
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On April 14 2011 05:08 ilovejonn wrote: I know he hasn't but wouldn't it be smart to put something out there instead of dying useless? I'm not saying Coag is going to die 100% but there's a high chance, especially if he's not mafia then mafia will probably try to put votes on him. Uhh... it's like trying to get Doc H to lynch a red, or Bill Murray to show respect, or Jackal to explain his actions. It's not happening. Wtf is up with the analysis on Coagulation anyways? From what I've read Coagulation is red because 1) Going against the campaign of a claimed black 2) Trying to not get someone he believes is green not lynched 3) And being his normal spammy and unhelpful | ||
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On April 14 2011 05:11 Jackal58 wrote: That's a wasted lynch. I see no benefit in keeping him alive either. Both scum and assassins have motivation to kill him. Let them deal with him. Let a vig shoot Coag. I'd rather lynch the mayor or the pardoner. Preferably GMarshall. Neither fill me with warm fuzzies. Can you link me an analysis of GMarshal/DocH? Because I'd rather not lynch a mayor this early in the game. | ||
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On April 14 2011 05:17 Robellicose wrote: LSB, I think you really need to reconsider this decision. Why are you pushing to lynch someone who I believe is extremely unlikely to be red? While my personal read is blue at the moment, a lot of people were convinced he was black (including me) before he claimed DT. If he's black, it's to the town's detriment if we lynch him, as we have lynched someone who will undoubtedly get assassinated if we don't protect them. Just wondering, why do you think he is blue? Imagine if you were the Detective. Would you claim? No, you would push coagulation's lynch in the background instead of outing yourself. In addition, why do you think Coagulation is red? Look through his other games, Coagulation has been playing consistent. However. I'm going to go with Kitaman27 here. Let Protactinium live, don't protect him, and kill him if he is still alive day 3 On April 14 2011 08:57 chaoser wrote: a) he once again dodges the activity/trolling issue b) HE THINKS COAG IS SCUMMY FOR REJECTING PROTACT FOR MAYOR DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER FOLKS c) throwing FOS around at coag/gmarshal d) DOESN'T KNOW/CARE IF PROT IS AN ASSASSIN, BUT STILL CALLS FOR MEDIC ON HIM DING DING DING TWICE IN ONE POST. Who are you talking about? Sorry I don't keep up with times | ||
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In the future, please remove all the fluff from your Point by Point analysis, I don't want to wade through lots of spam On April 14 2011 07:36 aidnai wrote: Lynch for information, a risk worth taking... I want what this guy has been smoking. This is where it gets juicy again: a) he once again dodges the activity/trolling issue b) HE THINKS COAG IS SCUMMY FOR REJECTING PROTACT FOR MAYOR DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER FOLKS c) throwing FOS around at coag/gmarshal d) DOESN'T KNOW/CARE IF PROT IS AN ASSASSIN, BUT STILL CALLS FOR MEDIC ON HIM DING DING DING TWICE IN ONE POST. Thanks for making it easy Rean + Show Spoiler + Stuff I don't agree with On April 11 2011 08:21 Rean wrote: yeah right you're gonna kill mafia while they actually help you by possibly killing a asassin, giving up your night-actions in the progress YEAAAAAAAAAAH, right, you're gonna ignore your own win conditions because you're such a nice person keep trying, you're pretty amusing. One of the quickest and most dismissive responses to protact. Doesn't mean he's scum yet, but in combo with his later acceptance of protact is completely damning. On April 12 2011 07:32 Rean wrote: Placeholder vote on DrH right now, seems to be the best candidate although i'd ask to tone down thew aggresiveness a bit. As for who to lynch: Pandain seems to be a safe bet, his fakeclaim DT is completely retarded and even if he's town he's not helping so we might aswell kill him. THIS POST IS IMPORTANT! "even if he's town he's not helping so we might aswell kill him." Absolutely a scumtell. Especially since, seeing the night kills, we know mafia believed the claim more than the retraction. Townies facepalmed or ridiculed pandain, they didn't call for his lynch. On April 11 2011 19:20 Rean wrote: I'm starting to think that the third assasin not Prot or Eiii is laughing his ass off. Both his adversary's have been revealed and with Prot's campaign failing, he has this in the bag, A good thing for town aswell, the quicker these assasins gtfo out of the game the less chance they accidentally kill a townie. not-so-subtley suggesting that eiii is assassin, which I think was unfounded (but maybe not it's not important to my case). On April 12 2011 08:15 Rean wrote: Meapak says it's okay to pm the host: [01:14] <+Meapak> FUCK [01:14] <+Meapak> redff [01:14] <+Meapak> dude [01:14] <+Meapak> I'm at 1499 posts [01:14] <+Meapak> I can't post [01:14] <+GGQ> i keep accidentally missing my milestone posts [01:14] <+Meapak> just tell him that he can PM the hosts Apparently he's in irc with GGQ zzz... On April 12 2011 23:06 Rean wrote: I'm trying out this new scum strategy: lurk really hardcore and only respond every once every 8 or so hours with meaningless posts, while simultaniously posting a ton in another mafia thread, so i can avoid any suspicion. If anyone accuses me: ignore it. Is it working? Responds to a legitimate point by blowing it off and trolling. 1) His response time shows he's actively reading this thread (responded within 10 minutes) 2) His thread presence in Insane 2 shows his 'normal' activity level 3) His thread presence in this game shows??? and yet all he does for the next several posts is claim mafia -_- Why would a mafia do this? well, the main reason I think would be to be able to ask 'why would a mafia do this?' while at the same time COMPLETELY DODGING THE QUESTION. This game is definitely not boring, there's no excuse for his activity level. Still I don't see it as being too damming. They are just little things, like lynching for information, throwing out FOS. Trying to get people to protect FW doesn't mean that he's necessarily scum. Of course, if FW flips red Rean is going to be in hot water, but Rean's support for FW is based on the fact that FW is a vet. I have a neutral read on Rean, however I'd rather lynch Rean over Coagulation. | ||
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On April 14 2011 11:02 Protactinium wrote: LSB is obviously trolling, and hence should be ignored. List of invisible posters: LSB ilovejonn GMarshal aidnai So you just listed the people who think you are mafia. Lol | ||
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On April 14 2011 14:32 chaoser wrote: If he pardons there's no lynch that day so we can't do anything against it Mr. Wiggles. BTW, I still think you're scum GM and I still think ON/LSB is scum. I've already analyzed ON previously but if you look at LSB's posting all day today it's a complete chainsaw defense of Coag onto Prot So you know Coag is red? | ||
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And on a somewhat related note, lets lynch him. I've already explained why he's been lying over and over. I have no idea why people are trying to lynch coag. | ||
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On April 15 2011 06:54 Kenpachi wrote: Would you lose a DT over a Vet? Think about it, Protact is a waste of a lynch. Directs KP (black) to 1 person if Coag is town. He is not a DT | ||
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On April 15 2011 06:53 kitaman27 wrote: Why do you keep arguing for lyching Prot. Why waste a lynch when the assassins can take care of him tonight? Cause Coag is a vet, and I'd rather lynch a Assassin over a vet. | ||
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On April 15 2011 06:59 kitaman27 wrote: Wouldn't you rather lynch scum (other than coag), than an assassin? Who else is up for the lynch? On April 15 2011 06:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'd rather lynch scum. Why do you trust Coagulations roleclaim in the first place? I don't get why don't people accept Coag's claim at face value? If he was mafia he'd claim townie. | ||
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On April 15 2011 07:02 kitaman27 wrote: Are you not going to bother looking and settle for black? Prot is probably mafia, I've already explained why it is very likely. In addition I don't believe that Metalface has enough on him to call him red. | ||
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Just saying, you kindof suck at fake claims. By suck I mean you really really suck at fake claims. | ||
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Read this So, you, yes you. Why are you lynching Coagulation? Are you trusting the words of a Mafia who lied about being an Assassin, and has been Proven by Gmarshall to be lying about his role of detective? Why are you lynching coagulation? Because you think he's red? How about this. A compromise. The Plan: Today we lynch Prot Tonight we will call for a Vig hit on Coagulation If Coagulation is hit and survives the night, that means he is vet. If he isn't vet, he'll just be dead. Win win. Why this is preferable that letting Prot live Contrary to popular belief, Mafia and assassins have little incentive to kill Prot. This is because they know that if they let Prot live, he'll just be lynched. This is good for them because it takes heat off of them for one day. We will need to lynch Prot one way or the other. If we do it this way according to plan, we 1) Save a lynch. 2) If coag is saying the truth, we'll have 1 more townie. | ||
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On April 15 2011 07:08 Eiii wrote: Even if prot is mafia, why should we waste a lynch on him? Given how mixed up he is with his assassin claim, I'd be willing to bet that he dies tonight. Lynching him just gets him killed 24h sooner, and forces the assassins to look elsewhere for their first hit. Think. If you are an assassin and you know that Prot is a mafia. Would you shoot Prot? Or would you shoot someone else you think is an assassin? You would shoot the second person. The assassin knows that Prot will be lynched Day 3. And Prot being lynched day three is good for the assassin for two reasons. 1) They don't have to waste a hit, and can search somewhere else. 2) They are saved from suspicion for one day. | ||
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Flamewheel Lied about being DT. Is obviously ainitown Coagulation Flamewheel said he is DT and check coagulation who turned up red LSB Defends coagulation. Coagulation was checked by Flamewheel and is red. Therefore LSB is red. All I can say is wow | ||
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On April 15 2011 09:55 GMarshal wrote: You argue with them, I'm tired of fighting against a know liar and the town just flatly ignoring me, and/or siding with the assassin. Town is going to lose this. It's like Mafia XXXV. The town is a mob and is only as smart as the leader. Although people may think individually they are smart and analyze much, most people play a game of follow the leader. XXXVIII worked nicely since of the lucky Day 1 lynch got quiet a few of the vets to become the leader However this game is kindof doomed. Anyone competent is either killed (kavdragon) or ignored. Tonight the mafia will snipe a few more vets. In addition, the leaders that have emerged Flamewheel and DocH are not suited for their roles. Flamewheel because his role PM is not green or blue, DocH because he screws over any town he is in. If I were you Gmarshal, I would count on my bodyguards. Once the town calms down, use your immunity to push for a lynch on the clear mafia. | ||
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On April 15 2011 10:01 bumatlarge wrote: For people confused on why it would be rare to have more then 2 of a blue role 1-14. Town 15-22. Mafia 23-26. Assasin (assuming Protact is right about 4) 27. Vet 28. Vet 29. Tracker 30. Tracker 31. Vig 32. Vig 33. Watcher 34. Watcher 35. DT 36. DT 37. Medic 38. Medic 39. Nosy Neighbor 40. Nosy Neighbor This makes sense. Last game Brownbear hosted XXXI There were 25 Total People Medic Miller Mad Hatter Detective X2 Veteran Bulletproof Vigilante That's 28% blue, amounting to 11 in a 40 player game. You have about the same amount of blue. But remember a good portion of the blues will be more of defensive roles. Too many DTs/DT alike abilities mess up a game. However, remember normal games do have themes behind them. For example, take XXX, there were lots of trackers and Nosy Neighbors, creating interesting situations. Without PMs, it's hard to figure out the setup | ||
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On April 15 2011 10:07 GMarshal wrote: I would, but I am "obviously mafia" for claiming to oppose an assassin, and in generally for trying to stop the mob from being stupid. Oh, and for making every effort to get myself elected as a DT, that too is "anti town". I dont know what else to do for this people. Wait for Coagulation to flip green, and me to get hit and flip green and wait for people to come back crying to you. | ||
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I don't claim unless I got a plan. | ||
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On April 15 2011 10:16 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Anyone voting for protact, please change off, it's a stupid lynch and a waste of your vote. How about me? There are two people up for vote, me and coagulation. I don't want to lynch coag, and voting for myself is stupid | ||
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On April 15 2011 10:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: lol cause all LSB's giant roleclaim shitty plans always work out for town right? hey remember the time when I got the mafia team pinned in insane as mayor and the town fell apart after I died? no ofc you don't, you only helped host that game and you don't want to admit I've done anything good cause that wouldn't mislead town now would it Where have I asked for a roleclaim? In addition, DocH, my mafia track record has been far superior to yours in mafia Remember the time in XXX my giant whole game plan gave town victory? Remember the time in XXXVII where my plan stopped us from a mislynch which would have lost us the game? What about you? Your town track record Lets see Insane Mafia- You flame people, don't do much else. Got luckly TL Mafia XXXVI- You quit after you realize that people are smart and won't listen to everything you say Mini Mafia V- Clues and Puzzles- You single handily lose the town the game TL Mafia XXXV- You are a part of the giant town rabble that lynches me stupidly day 1, after I advocated lynches on the two mafia (and coincidently the only two mafia that actually died that game) Salem Mafia- You single handily lose the town the game | ||
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On April 15 2011 10:41 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What's the link in between LSB and Coag that makes it so that Coag's flip assures LSB's scumminess? I'm voting for him because he's pushing an anti-town plan, and ON was already scummy looking. If Coag is blue and Proc is black is it ainti town? If Coag is blue and Proc is Red is it ainti town? | ||
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On April 15 2011 10:50 GMarshal wrote: I'm not letting the assassin win. Hang me if you must. I ran on policy and principles. I will uphold those now. FIGHT FOR THE TOWN! Don't pardon. Let coag die, it will green me and you, and red Flamewheel | ||
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On April 15 2011 10:55 GMarshal wrote: I'm not willing to be reasonable about this. I am sticking to my guns, if it means I die then so fucking be it. See you in hell fw! I do not lynch on the words of someone who is anti town I do not follow a liar I will not allow the town to do the same while it is in my power to prevent it. This isn't about weather or not coag is scum, I dont give a damn if protac guessed right. This is about fighting for my principles And I will be damned, to the pits of hell, if I go back on my principles. ![[image loading]](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_AxBvyEAebkY/SjgY_3AvAYI/AAAAAAAAAFY/VN4uH7vScLU/s320/salute.jpg) You have convinced me. I will go down fighting with you. Onwards! | ||
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On April 15 2011 11:22 Protactinium wrote: How hypocritical! To you its all about winning. Pardoning is anti-town. That's a principle. Yet you're willing to break it. The reasons for LAL are usually bad. Just look at how you played in XXXVII. And now you decide you're the one who has the moral authority to teach town how to play? Lol. Although I guess since you're mafia I can accept this more as a "I want to win" rather than actual advice. Please try not to pass it off that way though. You'll give people the wrong impression. Wait, so what is your most recent claim? Vannila town? | ||
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