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Oh dramaz!
First of all we knew protac was going to do something drastic to not get killed tonight. Personally I'm not buying the whole "it was safer for me to claim assassin than DT", claiming assassin is painting a huge target on his back. The reason people jumped on Pandain was because of his plan of a non-town mayor, and because his sole platform was the DT claim. We saw from Protac's campaign that he was quite capable of making a case for himself more than just his role claim.
It seems all too convenient to me that he would
A) Fake claim assassin over DT
B) Find mafia in the first go when he doesn't get elected into office.
C) Roleclaims instead of building a case, on day 2.
I found Coag to be one of the most pro town players, quite unlike the analysis provided by our "DT". That said, I'm looking forward to Coags response.
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^^
For the 68th time, assassins cannot use any of their abilities night 1.
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EBWOP: That was at mig, not barundar
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On April 13 2011 15:57 Lemonwalrus wrote:
^^
For the 68th time, assassins cannot use any of their abilities night 1.
Ah my bad ok strike the 2nd part of my post.
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Oh and sorry for the "for the 68th time" thing, that came of extremely dickish of me.
/hugs
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Good god, I was trying to analyze coag's posts this game but when I searched for them I had to go past like 500 posts from insane 2 wtf?! coag, you are truly amazing...
On April 12 2011 13:32 jaminz wrote:
I realize I've been inactive for pretty much the entire game so far, and I don't really have a great excuse other than that I've been a bit busy lately. However, I'm working my way through the thread right now, and plan to be completely caught up by the end of the night.
I've only played one game of Mafia before (Haunted Mafia this past Halloween - put on by Doctor H), so I'm still fairly new to the game, but I'm doing what I can to take everything in. Thanks in advance for everyone being patient with me.
On April 12 2011 13:39 jaminz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 13:34 chaoser wrote:On April 12 2011 13:32 jaminz wrote:
I realize I've been inactive for pretty much the entire game so far, and I don't really have a great excuse other than that I've been a bit busy lately. However, I'm working my way through the thread right now, and plan to be completely caught up by the end of the night.
I've only played one game of Mafia before (Haunted Mafia this past Halloween - put on by Doctor H), so I'm still fairly new to the game, but I'm doing what I can to take everything in. Thanks in advance for everyone being patient with me. Claims he needs to catch up. On April 12 2011 08:49 jaminz wrote:
##Vote Doctor Helevetica Voted DrH hours in advance I'll be completely honest about that one, and you can ridicule me all you want for it: I was nervous that I'd be modkilled for not voting, and wanted to make sure I had a vote in before things got too out of hand so I voted for Dr. H. I know he knows how to play the game, and my gut said he was the one to pick.
On April 13 2011 11:55 jaminz wrote:
Man, this game is pretty intense. I'm having a bit of trouble keeping up, but I'm working on it. It seems like Bumatlarge, DoctorH, and GMarshal have all had a lot of analysis done on them so far, so I'll try to look at a few of the other players and post whatever analysis I can.
Three posts in the thread as of now, all vaguely apologizing and not one single opinion. This is exactly the kind of dead weight we don't want around down the road -_-
On April 12 2011 14:04 Latrommi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 14:03 Kenpachi wrote:
Latrommi is one of Kita's followers.. i get it now Ok, there's suspicion. I get it. I had problems with getting the mafia forum's access, but got through with it enough to read a few pages before voting.
On April 12 2011 14:05 Latrommi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 14:05 Kenpachi wrote:On April 12 2011 14:04 Latrommi wrote:On April 12 2011 14:03 Kenpachi wrote:
Latrommi is one of Kita's followers.. i get it now Ok, there's suspicion. I get it. I had problems with getting the mafia forum's access, but got through with it enough to read a few pages before voting. but you dont get it. ._. I had to vote, though
On April 12 2011 14:07 Latrommi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 14:06 GMarshal wrote:On April 12 2011 14:04 Latrommi wrote:On April 12 2011 14:03 Kenpachi wrote:
Latrommi is one of Kita's followers.. i get it now Ok, there's suspicion. I get it. I had problems with getting the mafia forum's access, but got through with it enough to read a few pages before voting. ... ... ... ... I am speechless, why did you vote for me? having read only a few pages? Thats irresponsible! You should have put your vote on someone with no chance in order to abstain. You realize how terribly bad this makes you look? I understand now, and I can only try to make up my reputation lost. However, as this probably won't happen, I know I'm going to look very bad.
Wow, another one -_-
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On April 13 2011 15:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Today on the shitter I thought "flamewheel is either assassin or detective making some ballsy play"
however i don't believe you are bad enough to DT claim day 2 on a check, I mean really? that's textbook shit. This pandain stuff sounds like mumbo jumbo you made up after the fact.
Here's what I think. I think you're the assassin. I think you came to the same conclusion as me:
Coagulation and Kitaman27 are the other two assasins.
You think you can win very quickly, if coagulation is lynched and you burn your hit on Kitaman27. I'm not convinced. This is just very odd behavior and I wouldn't expect this from a player like you of all people.
I'll look back on coagulations posts and crosscheck with your analysis tomorrow. Still working on homework tonight but I'm skeptical right off the bat. Please elaborate more on your DT gambit ESPECIALLY why you decided to claim?
Why not simply make a case? Everyone believed you were trying to help town as the assassin? Why not just say "look coagulation is probably mafia here is my case as to why" and get the lynch onto him? As I see it you have a huge incentive to see Coag dead if you got the same read on him I did and you are indeed the assassin : /
It's illogical not to claim. Do you really think that in a game without PMs and in a situation where I'm going to get shot tomorrow night by Assassins I'm not going to tell the town that I've found a red?
I have to claim at this point. Otherwise I'm just going to get shot by Asssassins during Night 2, and there's your best blue down the drain. There's honestly nothing else to it: I either claim and prove myself by having Coagulation lynched, thus drawing Medic protection so that I can continue searching, or I die to Assassins Night 2.
As to why Coagulation is red, and not black, look again at the Kavdragon issue. Look at how much he was spamming the thread, trying to up his townie cred before it went through. Remember, conveniently after you as Mayor was finalized and you made your announcement that you would lynch him he went silent, only coming out to flame and taunt afterward. An Assassin would have no reason to try to prevent the Kavdragon lynch, and have no reason to taunt you post-lynch anyway, as that just draws suspicion. An Assassin would be more than willing to point out reds since that builds him townie cred and possibly gets him medic protection, which he sorely wants. Coagulation has been really hesitant to point out reds. Combine that with the Kavdragon situation and it's highly unlikely that Coagulation is black.
If I were Assassin and Coagulation is lynched and turns up Assassin then I still don't have a chance of winning. If he's not red, that means I obviously didn't rolecheck. I'll still proceed to get shot the next night since there's no way in hell BrownBear would put only two Assassins in a 40 person game.
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##VOTE COAGalation(coagulation)
I can agree with what he says.
Wish i would have voted for you now...
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On April 13 2011 15:59 Lemonwalrus wrote:
Oh and sorry for the "for the 68th time" thing, that came of extremely dickish of me.
/hugs
haha np and anyway thinking on it more my idea wasn't very good anyway. A decent plan for prot to survive is to call out anyone as red and hope we lynch them. If hes right people may believe him and give medic protection if hes wrong hes going to die but the assassins would have killed him anyway.
I also have to wonder if prot was really a dt and he used his check and found a green what exactly was his plan to convince people that he was telling the truth? It just seems like such a huge risk to take playing the assassin gambit if hes given one of the most important town roles.
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On April 13 2011 16:08 Protactinium wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 15:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Today on the shitter I thought "flamewheel is either assassin or detective making some ballsy play"
however i don't believe you are bad enough to DT claim day 2 on a check, I mean really? that's textbook shit. This pandain stuff sounds like mumbo jumbo you made up after the fact.
Here's what I think. I think you're the assassin. I think you came to the same conclusion as me:
Coagulation and Kitaman27 are the other two assasins.
You think you can win very quickly, if coagulation is lynched and you burn your hit on Kitaman27. I'm not convinced. This is just very odd behavior and I wouldn't expect this from a player like you of all people.
I'll look back on coagulations posts and crosscheck with your analysis tomorrow. Still working on homework tonight but I'm skeptical right off the bat. Please elaborate more on your DT gambit ESPECIALLY why you decided to claim?
Why not simply make a case? Everyone believed you were trying to help town as the assassin? Why not just say "look coagulation is probably mafia here is my case as to why" and get the lynch onto him? As I see it you have a huge incentive to see Coag dead if you got the same read on him I did and you are indeed the assassin : / It's illogical not to claim. Do you really think that in a game without PMs and in a situation where I'm going to get shot tomorrow night by Assassins I'm not going to tell the town that I've found a red? I have to claim at this point. Otherwise I'm just going to get shot by Asssassins during Night 2, and there's your best blue down the drain. There's honestly nothing else to it: I either claim and prove myself by having Coagulation lynched, thus drawing Medic protection so that I can continue searching, or I die to Assassins Night 2. As to why Coagulation is red, and not black, look again at the Kavdragon issue. Look at how much he was spamming the thread, trying to up his townie cred before it went through. Remember, conveniently after you as Mayor was finalized and you made your announcement that you would lynch him he went silent, only coming out to flame and taunt afterward. An Assassin would have no reason to try to prevent the Kavdragon lynch, and have no reason to taunt you post-lynch anyway, as that just draws suspicion. An Assassin would be more than willing to point out reds since that builds him townie cred and possibly gets him medic protection, which he sorely wants. Coagulation has been really hesitant to point out reds. Combine that with the Kavdragon situation and it's highly unlikely that Coagulation is black. If I were Assassin and Coagulation is lynched and turns up Assassin then I still don't have a chance of winning. If he's not red, that means I obviously didn't rolecheck. I'll still proceed to get shot the next night since there's no way in hell BrownBear would put only two Assassins in a 40 person game.
Works for me.
Everyone should be voting for Coagulation. No getting around this one.
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On April 13 2011 16:08 Protactinium wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 15:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Today on the shitter I thought "flamewheel is either assassin or detective making some ballsy play"
however i don't believe you are bad enough to DT claim day 2 on a check, I mean really? that's textbook shit. This pandain stuff sounds like mumbo jumbo you made up after the fact.
Here's what I think. I think you're the assassin. I think you came to the same conclusion as me:
Coagulation and Kitaman27 are the other two assasins.
You think you can win very quickly, if coagulation is lynched and you burn your hit on Kitaman27. I'm not convinced. This is just very odd behavior and I wouldn't expect this from a player like you of all people.
I'll look back on coagulations posts and crosscheck with your analysis tomorrow. Still working on homework tonight but I'm skeptical right off the bat. Please elaborate more on your DT gambit ESPECIALLY why you decided to claim?
Why not simply make a case? Everyone believed you were trying to help town as the assassin? Why not just say "look coagulation is probably mafia here is my case as to why" and get the lynch onto him? As I see it you have a huge incentive to see Coag dead if you got the same read on him I did and you are indeed the assassin : / It's illogical not to claim. Do you really think that in a game without PMs and in a situation where I'm going to get shot tomorrow night by Assassins I'm not going to tell the town that I've found a red? I have to claim at this point. Otherwise I'm just going to get shot by Asssassins during Night 2, and there's your best blue down the drain. There's honestly nothing else to it: I either claim and prove myself by having Coagulation lynched, thus drawing Medic protection so that I can continue searching, or I die to Assassins Night 2.
Your claim, (the detective one) showed that the only people in the game that knew you weren't an assassin were the actual assassins, since you put in a fake number of assassins. If this reasoning were true, you would not be afraid of assassins killing you tomorrow night.
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Serejai and Rean are both just trolling, more dead weight...
At Protact: my intial reaction is skepticism, I'm trying to think through if it's worth it for us to lynch coag anyway.
I'm thinking if FW is really assassin, then yes, this is his one shot. He won't be medic'd, he's got a target on his back tonight. That means he has to get a black lynched plus hit one tonight, and there has to be only three total like he originally claimed. Seems unlikely. Also if he's assassin, then he didn't have night actions last night and didn't really check coag, so there's a good chance he'd be wrong.
Lynch coag, if he's red, we medic protact? We have time to figure this one out at least.
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His only chance to survive is to lie.
This is basically a last ditch attempt nothing to lose Might as well get the person who fucked his scummy plan up lynched in the process.
Right now Protactinium is praying to fucking god he guessed right.
I got bad news for you when i flip your fucked. Your All in will not only get your assassin ass lynched after i die but i hope you will be satisfied with fucking the town and taking them down with you.
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On April 13 2011 16:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 16:08 Protactinium wrote:On April 13 2011 15:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Today on the shitter I thought "flamewheel is either assassin or detective making some ballsy play"
however i don't believe you are bad enough to DT claim day 2 on a check, I mean really? that's textbook shit. This pandain stuff sounds like mumbo jumbo you made up after the fact.
Here's what I think. I think you're the assassin. I think you came to the same conclusion as me:
Coagulation and Kitaman27 are the other two assasins.
You think you can win very quickly, if coagulation is lynched and you burn your hit on Kitaman27. I'm not convinced. This is just very odd behavior and I wouldn't expect this from a player like you of all people.
I'll look back on coagulations posts and crosscheck with your analysis tomorrow. Still working on homework tonight but I'm skeptical right off the bat. Please elaborate more on your DT gambit ESPECIALLY why you decided to claim?
Why not simply make a case? Everyone believed you were trying to help town as the assassin? Why not just say "look coagulation is probably mafia here is my case as to why" and get the lynch onto him? As I see it you have a huge incentive to see Coag dead if you got the same read on him I did and you are indeed the assassin : / It's illogical not to claim. Do you really think that in a game without PMs and in a situation where I'm going to get shot tomorrow night by Assassins I'm not going to tell the town that I've found a red? I have to claim at this point. Otherwise I'm just going to get shot by Asssassins during Night 2, and there's your best blue down the drain. There's honestly nothing else to it: I either claim and prove myself by having Coagulation lynched, thus drawing Medic protection so that I can continue searching, or I die to Assassins Night 2. As to why Coagulation is red, and not black, look again at the Kavdragon issue. Look at how much he was spamming the thread, trying to up his townie cred before it went through. Remember, conveniently after you as Mayor was finalized and you made your announcement that you would lynch him he went silent, only coming out to flame and taunt afterward. An Assassin would have no reason to try to prevent the Kavdragon lynch, and have no reason to taunt you post-lynch anyway, as that just draws suspicion. An Assassin would be more than willing to point out reds since that builds him townie cred and possibly gets him medic protection, which he sorely wants. Coagulation has been really hesitant to point out reds. Combine that with the Kavdragon situation and it's highly unlikely that Coagulation is black. If I were Assassin and Coagulation is lynched and turns up Assassin then I still don't have a chance of winning. If he's not red, that means I obviously didn't rolecheck. I'll still proceed to get shot the next night since there's no way in hell BrownBear would put only two Assassins in a 40 person game. Works for me. Everyone should be voting for Coagulation. No getting around this one.
Rofl ok let's waste a full day on this shit. Still looking forward to coags reply.
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I don't want to lynch analyzers this early unless there is a mountain of undeniable evidence against them. I really don't want to get to the endgame with a bunch of serejai's still trolling around. That being said, I am reticent to waste early lynches on inactives....I am very confused at the moment. I think I need to see coag's response to this before I can begin to make a decision.
Also I want to start putting heat on the inactives.
Serejai, give an opinion on something. Without trolling. Do it now.
What do you think of protact's double claim?
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GUYS THINK ABOUT IT. WHAT DOES HE HAVE TO LOSE? NOTHING.
Hes going ALL IN. HE HAS TO. THIS IS 100% EXPECTED. Does anyone expect him to just sit around and wait till he dies night 2? Fuck no hes not hes gonna do anything he fucking can to give himself a chance to stay in the game.
DONT BUY THIS SHIT. IM TOWN. I WANT A FUCKING REAL DT CHECK.
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I'm not necessarily against lynching coagulation, but how is he definitely a better kill than M0nsterChef, OriginalName, or GMarshal?
At first I didn't know what to make of Coag because he seemed all over the place. Now, after Protac's analysis I certainly agree he is very suspicious. But I'm just not convinced he is more dangerous than any of the other suspicious people. They all seem on the same level to me.
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On April 13 2011 15:38 bumatlarge wrote:
Ah, that does make sense, and the assasin numbers does sound clever. Were you planning on being mayor and then revealing or what?
Though to be fair coagulation has been very active playing pokemon, not sure if thats an excuse for his activity. But I can't really go against a DT check with no millers. I think it's fairly obvious we should be lynching coagulation.
Yes. Upon being elected we would have claimed DT. There'd be nothing to hide: we'd just announce our checks every night before making them, and announce reds when we found them (and I assure you it's not that hard right now given the current state of things).
Coagulation's problem isn't inactivity. It's scumminess. He still has 74 posts in this game with roughly 60 of them being made after he got his role PM. You can't ctrl+all anymore, but look at the times where he posts. Actually, I'll printscreen for you since I still can ctrl+all.
His posts come sparsely in some areas, and then they clump up massively where he's trying to distract the town. Yeah, he may be playing Pokemon, but all that really means is that he's around when he needs to distract the town.
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On April 13 2011 15:56 Mig wrote:
I don't really understand why prot didn't just run for mayor normally instead of trying the assassin gambit. Everyone agrees hes a very strong player with excellent analysis, it seems like he would be a great mayor just as a normal townie. If he runs this gambit and it fails then he has to convince the town he was faking before and even if he accomplishes that the assassins will still likely target him. And I want to add I did say earlier that it would be in prots best interest to lie about the number of assassins no matter what because it might trick the assassins into voting someone else.
So I still believe that prot is an assassin, however I think there's a good chance coag is mafia. If prot used his 1 dt check last night and hit a red I think the obvious play for him would be to role claim dt. Then if we lynch that player he called out and its right he can ask for medic protection.
Why didn't I run for mayor normally? First of all, I wanted to mix it up a bit, and second, it gives us way more information than we would have had otherwise. Like I said, an assassin claim provokes a mafia reaction in order for them to avoid an assassin mayor/pardoner. Even if I die tonight, its well worth it. I'm pretty confident you'd all be pretty lost right now if I hadn't drawn out the mafia.
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