EPTCoag, I don't really see why you claimed, but ok.
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
Coag, I don't really see why you claimed, but ok. | ||
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Protactinium
Canada550 Posts
On April 13 2011 15:57 Barundar wrote: Oh dramaz! First of all we knew protac was going to do something drastic to not get killed tonight. Personally I'm not buying the whole "it was safer for me to claim assassin than DT", claiming assassin is painting a huge target on his back. The reason people jumped on Pandain was because of his plan of a non-town mayor, and because his sole platform was the DT claim. We saw from Protac's campaign that he was quite capable of making a case for himself more than just his role claim. It seems all too convenient to me that he would A) Fake claim assassin over DT B) Find mafia in the first go when he doesn't get elected into office. C) Roleclaims instead of building a case, on day 2. I found Coag to be one of the most pro town players, quite unlike the analysis provided by our "DT". That said, I'm looking forward to Coags response. Like I said, claiming DT doesn't work. But I find it interesting how you say that it's "convenient" that I found Mafia in the first go when I didn't get elected to office. I am easily the best player in this game. Yet you seem to think that the Mafia are hiding well. I'm sure you didn't want to let that slip, did you? As to your third part, I roleclaimed while building a case, which is something you've either blatantly ignored or didn't notice. Obviously, you didn't read any of my case on Coagulation, did you? Didn't think so. We have Coag's response now. He's blowing up and getting desperate, so you can honestly just give up. Your defense of him is laughably transparent. Coagulation is nowhere near being pro-town. Why do you think that? | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On April 13 2011 16:48 Coagulation wrote: Why the fuck would a experienced player like FW ever claim to be an assassin when hes a DT. Do you really think he would put that kind of heat on himself if he was honestly a PRO TOWN ROLE. This whole thing reeks of desperate scum he has nothing to gain from this as scum it doesn't reek of anything besides you getting lynched | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
DOCH please use your head man. are you really surprised hes pulling this? | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On April 13 2011 16:46 Barundar wrote: What this really comes down to is that protact and coag can't be on the same team. One of them is lieing. Congrats to us, we are getting us a scum. As for who of them to kill first, I'm going to go with my read on coag, which has been pro town so far, despite what protact has written. Protact is writing a long story to explain his actions, and I'm going to go with the simplest explanation: He has been lieing and is now throwing another gambit to avoid dieing. Both the simplest explanation and my read points away from coag being scum, that's how I will vote. No, go with the DT check. This is absurdly bad mafia play for someone like protactinium. What does he have to gain from this as scum? delaying his death? How? If he's scum - Assassins will still kill him tonight he's trading himself for coagulation which is a worthless trade and doesn't benefit mafia HOW DOES MAFIA SEEK TO BENEFIT FROM FAKING A DT CHECK ON COAGULATION. If mafia are gonna pull a power play like this it is becuase they are looking to reap a HUGE BENEFIT you don't bus yourself to kill coagulation of all people, jesus christ | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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Protactinium
Canada550 Posts
On April 13 2011 16:20 AirbladeOrange wrote: I'm not necessarily against lynching coagulation, but how is he definitely a better kill than M0nsterChef, OriginalName, or GMarshal? At first I didn't know what to make of Coag because he seemed all over the place. Now, after Protac's analysis I certainly agree he is very suspicious. But I'm just not convinced he is more dangerous than any of the other suspicious people. They all seem on the same level to me. M0nsterChef and OriginalName (more the former than the latter) aren't very present in the thread. M0nsterChef is pretty much just being inactive, and OriginalName isn't actively trying to derail the town. Neither of them are pushing Mafia agendas as strongly as Coagulation. As for GMarshal, Coagulation has a really strong tie to him, and even disregarding that we don't want to lynch our Pardoner so quickly--what would be the point in electing him then? | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
He's really an assassin, using the last trick up his sleeve. | ||
Mig
United States4714 Posts
On April 13 2011 16:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote: he has nothing to gain from this as scum it doesn't reek of anything besides you getting lynched He has nothing to gain from this as scum I agree, but he has a lot to gain from this if hes an assassin. In fact this is literally his only chance at surviving. Prot could be 100% right and coag is scum. But the problem is no matter what I feel like the best play for him will always be to role claim dt. However, if he was going to lie and role claim it makes sense that he would pick the person he felt was most likely to actually be scum. So basically if anyone wants to lynch coag that's fine but use prots arguments as the reason do not consider his role claim, there is just too high of a chance that he could be lying about it. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On April 13 2011 16:56 Coagulation wrote: I ment scum as in assassin. DOCH please use your head man. are you really surprised hes pulling this? he has nothing to gain from this as assassin i thought about it. if you are assassin and we lynch you and he hits kitaman27 (or whoever he thinks is the next assassin) he's pretty much guaranteed to be killed that same night. if there are 3 assassins this would result in a TIE the only way this makes sense is if there are two assassins. if protact was assassin he would know that and lynching you is a way to get you killed without letting you take him down as well. That way he can win his game and he is transported out immediately. | ||
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urashimakt
United States1591 Posts
On April 13 2011 16:56 chaoser wrote: So all of you are saying this is all a ploy for mafia to buy ONE EXTRA NIGHT. Basically you're saying this comes down to mafia sacrificing a mafia member, FLAMEWHEEL BTW, early in the game to lynch a townie, have him flip town, and then have us lynch flamewheel (who would have been lying and now obviously mafia) all so we waste a lynch? Come on now...That's some bullshit logic and you know. If Flamewheel was actually mafia there'd be no reason to pull this shit since he could have just posted normally and raped us two ways to friday. I doubt lynching Protactinium is even going to be required. Barring medic intervention, he's probably going to get hit by black tonight whether he's red, green, or black. Probably. | ||
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Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
On April 13 2011 15:35 Barundar wrote: Rean was quite active as a blue in insane mafia 2, and was inactive (and got modkilled for it) as scum in mafia 36. Now he is inactive again, and he is trolling to boot. Yeah, nice try. Except my first mafia game here was Death Factory (townie twin with RoL), second game Insane Mafia 2. As for the Coagulation affair: looking through all of his previous posts, two things really stand out above all: he is extremely paranoid of Prot becoming mayor, freaking out whenever it seems likely that he's being elected only to continue lurking once the threat dies down. Secondly, he has another classic "100% town guys dw had town read all along" read a la Lemonwalrus on GMarshal, despite the fact that alot of people have being pointing out how scummy GMarshal has been all along. I don't know, but I doubt anyone not mafia buddy's with him would trust their reads this much when alot of others are doubting him. Then again, that's what I thought in Insane Mafia 2 aswell and look how that turned out >.> If I had to guess right now, i'd say that both Coagulation and GMarshal are red. Protactinium: I honestly don't fucking know if you're assassin or DT, and quite frankly I couldn't care less. Being a veteran player you could've easily made that read as a assassin. Right now i'd say we lynch Coagulation and if he flips red, medic Prot. If he flips green (doubtful) Prot dies. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
-There are two assassins -The two assassins are Coagulation and Protactinium Both of these things must be true or Protactinium is fucked. Let's look at other scenarios and how they'd play out: -There are three assassins -The three assassins are protactinium/coagulation/kitaman27 -Coagulation is lynched -Night 2 Protactinium hits Kitaman27, Kitaman27 hits Protactinium -Nobody wins -There are four assassins -The four assassins are protactinium/coagulation/kitaman27/chaoser -Coagulation is lynched -Night 2 Protactinium hits Kitaman27, kitaman27 hits protactinium, chaoser hits protactinium -Chaoser wins etc. So it's either a Flamewheel win with 2 assassins (if coag is the other assassin) or no one wins, or someone else wins, or there are more than four which seems unlikely. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On April 13 2011 17:00 urashimakt wrote: I doubt lynching Protactinium is even going to be required. Barring medic intervention, he's probably going to get hit by black tonight whether he's red, green, or black. Probably. If you are an assassin in this game and DON'T use one of your hits on protactinium, then that's pretty fucking dumb I must say. | ||
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
On April 13 2011 17:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote: he has nothing to gain from this as assassin i thought about it. if you are assassin and we lynch you and he hits kitaman27 (or whoever he thinks is the next assassin) he's pretty much guaranteed to be killed that same night. if there are 3 assassins this would result in a TIE the only way this makes sense is if there are two assassins. if protact was assassin he would know that and lynching you is a way to get you killed without letting you take him down as well. That way he can win his game and he is transported out immediately. That plan is all based on him trying to wipe the assassins out in 1 night. But what if instead hes just going to try and get medic protection from us by role claiming dt and hitting a scum? That way he can hope we either lynch or the mafia hits the other assassins while he has protection. And if hes assassin he can use his actual dt check to continue the lie the next night. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On April 13 2011 17:03 Mig wrote: That plan is all based on him trying to wipe the assassins out in 1 night. But what if instead hes just going to try and get medic protection from us by role claiming dt and hitting a scum? That way he can hope we either lynch or the mafia hits the other assassins while he has protection. And if hes assassin he can use his actual dt check to continue the lie the next night. what if monkeys fly out of my butt If he hits a scum and then gets another with his real dt check then what is the problem lol, that's great for us. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
He'll continue his "charade" with his assassin check and hey guess what, it totally helps the town. I don't see why you'd be against that... | ||
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urashimakt
United States1591 Posts
On April 13 2011 17:01 Rean wrote: Yeah, nice try. Except my first mafia game here was Death Factory (townie twin with RoL), second game Insane Mafia 2. As for the Coagulation affair: looking through all of his previous posts, two things really stand out above all: he is extremely paranoid of Prot becoming mayor, freaking out whenever it seems likely that he's being elected only to continue lurking once the threat dies down. Secondly, he has another classic "100% town guys dw had town read all along" read a la Lemonwalrus on GMarshal, despite the fact that alot of people have being pointing out how scummy GMarshal has been all along. I don't know, but I doubt anyone not mafia buddy's with him would trust their reads this much when alot of others are doubting him. Then again, that's what I thought in Insane Mafia 2 aswell and look how that turned out >.> If I had to guess right now, i'd say that both Coagulation and GMarshal are red. Protactinium: I honestly don't fucking know if you're assassin or DT, and quite frankly I couldn't care less. Being a veteran player you could've easily made that read as a assassin. Right now i'd say we lynch Coagulation and if he flips red, medic Prot. If he flips green (doubtful) Prot dies. I don't have anything against what you've said except that you should care if he's assassin, since assassin can't use their DT check night 1. Just a thought. | ||
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
On April 13 2011 17:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote: what if monkeys fly out of my butt If he hits a scum and then gets another with his real dt check then what is the problem lol, that's great for us. I agree completely. That's why I am saying if people think we should lynch coag use analysis and use prots reasoning. Don't just rely on the supposed role check which it would make sense for him to lie about. | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
On April 13 2011 16:51 Protactinium wrote: Like I said, claiming DT doesn't work. But I find it interesting how you say that it's "convenient" that I found Mafia in the first go when I didn't get elected to office. I am easily the best player in this game. Yet you seem to think that the Mafia are hiding well. I'm sure you didn't want to let that slip, did you? As to your third part, I roleclaimed while building a case, which is something you've either blatantly ignored or didn't notice. Obviously, you didn't read any of my case on Coagulation, did you? Didn't think so. We have Coag's response now. He's blowing up and getting desperate, so you can honestly just give up. Your defense of him is laughably transparent. Coagulation is nowhere near being pro-town. Why do you think that? Lol now "It's convenient that you find scum in first go when it's the only way you could survive" translates into "scum is hiding well"? Nice try  I like how you keep blowing your own trumpet. I read your case, and your main point is he only defended kavdragon before the lynch was sent in, and that he couldn't point to who he wanted to instead. I didn't specify which lurker I wanted killed myself either, but like coag I got pretty fucking pissed off when I woke up and saw Kavdragon had flipped green. But what it really comes down to is not both of you can be town. One of you is lieing. It's beneficial to trade scum for town 1 for 1, so town wins in any case. Whats up to town to decide is whether we use a lynch on one of you, or just let you die to assassins and lynch coag depending on what you flip. | ||
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