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well it's just my way of saying what
On April 11 2011 11:23 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 11:15 MetalFace wrote:This thread blew up way too fast. So much spam to sift through...  Anyways, I think it's important to look at how people have reacted to the Protactinium Campaign. Ideally we want a townie as mayor. Worst case scenario is mafia get mayor. I'd say a third party getting mayor falls in between these two. Unfortunately, we have no way of knowing who is who. So, for a second, let's just assume he is, in fact, an assassin. People who want him in think that he would benefit their faction more than the opposing. So let's see how an assassin mayor would actually affect the game. Pretty much, the big power of the mayor is the first day lynch and the subsequent triple vote count. Who, then, is he likely to kill? His kill priorities, as I see it, are as follows: A) Other assassins B) Mafia C) Townies Why? Well, A is obvious. He wants to win, and needs to kill the other assassins. B and C, though, are tricky. The mayor can only die in one of 2 ways: the bodyguards are eliminated and then the mayor is vulnerable to night attacks, OR, the mayor is lynched. The bodyguards will presumably remain anonymous, so that Protactinium can protect himself. Therefore, it is unlikely they will be quickly expended.* Protactinium's biggest concern, then, is the town lynching him. Townies hold a majority vote, and if Protactinium doesn't act in a clearly pro-town way, then he will be lynched. Essentially, if he doesn't act pro-town he will lose. Thus, an assassin mayor would benefit the town and hurt the mafia, and would be supported by townies and attacked by scum in the election. *A situation may occur where assassins may try to kill off the bodyguards in an attempt to make Protactinium vulnerable. This is in my mind unlikely, because an assassin would have to waste kills. To be honest though, I am not entirely sure how this would affect the game as a whole. It is for this reason that I am still thinking about who to vote for. Also, remember that an assassin mayor is not ideal; a townie mayor is. Hopefully a townie can sweet talk the rest of us to voting him in, but with all the idiotic spamming and name calling going on, it's awful tough to trust anyone right now. I gotta think about this more... This is your first post in this thread. You state the obvious, use a lot of filler sentences, and repeat pretty much exactly what other people have said e.g. you talk about how if protact were mayor he would be in a LYLO situation, something you would know has been already discussed if you actually read the thread. So assuming you have read the thread you seem to be posting without contributing.
red said so well here
my point is this is another one of those kavdragonesque "look at me contribute!" posts where he contributes nothing
On April 11 2011 11:29 chaoser wrote:
Bro, I'd vote for you but I already got my vote on Prot
change it!
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On April 11 2011 11:31 AirbladeOrange wrote:
I thought you were going to tone it down Dr. H?
And for the record I don't believe you to be scum anymore. I think you're just upfront and bitter. Fine by me as long as you are as good as people think you are at this game.
Ha, I'm a nice person but my point stands from earlier. I'm just teasing jackal.
Posts like the ones MetalHead just made are pretty scummy imo, you have to look past the "wordswordswordswordswords" and think about what the direction of their post is. His post had no direction other than to appear contributive. That's not good.
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On April 11 2011 11:36 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 11:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 11 2011 11:29 Jackal58 wrote:On April 11 2011 11:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 11 2011 11:15 MetalFace wrote:This thread blew up way too fast. So much spam to sift through... Anyways, I think it's important to look at how people have reacted to the Protactinium Campaign. Ideally we want a townie as mayor. Worst case scenario is mafia get mayor. I'd say a third party getting mayor falls in between these two. Unfortunately, we have no way of knowing who is who. So, for a second, let's just assume he is, in fact, an assassin. People who want him in think that he would benefit their faction more than the opposing. So let's see how an assassin mayor would actually affect the game. Pretty much, the big power of the mayor is the first day lynch and the subsequent triple vote count. Who, then, is he likely to kill? His kill priorities, as I see it, are as follows: A) Other assassins B) Mafia C) Townies Why? Well, A is obvious. He wants to win, and needs to kill the other assassins. B and C, though, are tricky. The mayor can only die in one of 2 ways: the bodyguards are eliminated and then the mayor is vulnerable to night attacks, OR, the mayor is lynched. The bodyguards will presumably remain anonymous, so that Protactinium can protect himself. Therefore, it is unlikely they will be quickly expended.* Protactinium's biggest concern, then, is the town lynching him. Townies hold a majority vote, and if Protactinium doesn't act in a clearly pro-town way, then he will be lynched. Essentially, if he doesn't act pro-town he will lose. Thus, an assassin mayor would benefit the town and hurt the mafia, and would be supported by townies and attacked by scum in the election. *A situation may occur where assassins may try to kill off the bodyguards in an attempt to make Protactinium vulnerable. This is in my mind unlikely, because an assassin would have to waste kills. To be honest though, I am not entirely sure how this would affect the game as a whole. It is for this reason that I am still thinking about who to vote for. Also, remember that an assassin mayor is not ideal; a townie mayor is. Hopefully a townie can sweet talk the rest of us to voting him in, but with all the idiotic spamming and name calling going on, it's awful tough to trust anyone right now. I gotta think about this more... this post in 2 sentences: blablabla stuff other people already said. also i am too scared to make a decision so im gonna stall. This post in 1 sentence. I'm being a dick. this post in 1 second: i haven't done anything this whole game but criticize DrH and im old I've been critical of your dick swinging play style. Not the content of it. If I want to hear 13 year old punks call everybody an idiot I'll start playing on Battlenet again.
That's alright. It rubs people the wrong way and that's not an accident. We've played together before so you know I'm not always like this. I got some good reactions and material to think about and I think this will make my Day 2 analysis much much stronger.
The ends justifies the means if it means the town is better off later imo.
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On April 11 2011 11:38 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 11:32 Lanaia wrote:
Is this Dr. H attitude his normal attitude? Ya pretty much. DocH calls it like it is. Coag types in caps and I get warnings.
oh the wacky hijinks the three of us could get into
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On April 11 2011 14:05 tnkted wrote:Ok I've been gone all day. Town. WTF. Where are all these emotional outbursts coming from? Almost all of the FoS's that have come out so far this game have been ridiculous, targeted at new players for not posting enough, or not reading properly, or acting like typical newbie players. DrH, some throwing accusations at people like they're candy. Read up, gather some information, and present it in a big large wall of text like everyone else does. Theres a reason we do it that way. Now, for newbies, you might not know who you should be listening to in this game if you're green (which you probably are since its your first game). You want to be listening to people with calm, levelheaded opinions, who have put a fair amount of thought and effort into their posts. You can tell these people by the amount that they post and the sheer quality of their posts. Spammers are generally not that helpful for analytic purposes. Here's my list of people that should be your role models, town or not town. This is how good mafia players behave in thread: Kita GM Protract ON Lanaia Kav myself (  ) and urashimakt is doing pretty good too, for a newbie. There are a few other players that are doing well, but those 7 are the ones you should pay attention to when they post. Keep in mind that you should be reading their stuff with an open mind; feel free to challenge them where you think they are acting scummy, but rather then throw out an FoS (which is a fairly serious, formal accusation in this forum and is currently being abused to great extent) simply point out their scummy play. If you want to post an FoS make sure you've done your research; big posts with lots of quotes and analysis are what we're after. Putting effort into your posts is what makes you town. My analysis on Tracestorm is incoming.
this is almost artistically scummy
throwout some people who have contributed basically nothing (On/Lanaia), pad Kav's shitty arguments, make a big "come on guys can we all just get along and play well???" post that doesn't serve any purpose or contribute any analysis
anyway you're on my shitlist and hopefully everyone can see how ridiculous this post is
i'll still be lynching originalname though
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On April 11 2011 14:34 tnkted wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 14:23 chaoser wrote:On April 11 2011 14:15 tnkted wrote:
Sigh.. its late. I'll post my analysis tomorrow, I have like 9 hours of class I need to be ready for.
-_- mondays suck. gnite yall! Answer my question pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee. How is ON and lanaia playing pro town? Oh. I don't know! I'm not saying that anyone on my list is pro town, just that they're acting like you should in this forum which is to say that they are not spamming, are spending time on their posts, and are therefore worth reading. I'd rather read one players long, well thought out post than I would one player's half a dozen posts responding to absolutely every single little spasm of activity in the thread. Quality > quantity in this forum.
lanaia and ON are terrible examples of quality, so are kav's terrible arguments and giant posts of absolutely nothing.
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On April 12 2011 01:21 GMarshal wrote:
So you guys want to lynch ON for information? You do realize that that is absolutely awful play, right?
Think about it, this is DAY 1 people are flip flopping right and left, we are surrounded by new players, they behave erratically so any information that lynching ON "reveals" about them is worthless . Lynching ON proves nothing either way, about me or any other players. If you people want to lynch him because you think he is a red, then thats fine, but lynching for information day 1, with no clearly drawn lines, and not much to go on is terrible, terrible play.
Come on people, lets lynch scum, not townies!
This is a good point from Gmarshal. "Let's lynch for information" is something scum love to say, because really "information" is just a WIFOM scenario that they can push in whichever way they want. If ON turns up green/red that doesn't really give us that much relevant information.
Mafia will often attack/accuse other mafia on day 1 and use confounding tactics to make sure they can not be discovered if a teammate is lynched.
On April 11 2011 22:55 tnkted wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote:
If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips. Actually, Protract is the one that would give us the most information. ON is nowhere near a threat right now. Meanwhile, I am convinced that DrH is a horrible candidate for mayor. How many of the people that disagree with him has he targeted for a lynch? So far he's accused myself, Kav, Kita, and Potract of being scum. The only one he doesn't think is scum is GM and he's been taking Protract and other people's arguements to support that. He isn't running on a platform of substance, just one of accusing all the other candidates of scumming. And lynching ON won't clear up anything. Maybe he was just acting like he disagreed with you to prove that you're actually green when you're read? You have know idea exactly how devious the mafia can act in this game. Lynching ON won't prove anyone's greenness other than ONs. You need to be extremely careful with bandwagoning in this game. If nobody is disagreeing with you it means that mafia likes your idea, or is laying low because its late game and there are 6 people alive. Do not be sheep, newbies.
I'd like to ask, what exactly is a platform of substance? It seems like your only goal here really is to discourage people from voting for me, even though you don't seem to think I'm scum. I have never accused Protactinium, you, or kita of being scum. Kavdragon/mib were the only two I made a real case for. Either you really misunderstood some things I said or you're putting words in my mouth to make me look bad. Which is it?
My Thoughts
OriginalName is still my top lynch candidate, but if I'm elected mayor I will re-read everybodies posting to make a decision. If I am elected and don't lynch OriginalName don't accuse me of "going back on my promises" or anything like that. I will lynch my top suspect no matter what, I will always vote for my top suspect, NO MATTER WHAT the "town" (a.k.a the mafia) wants me to do.
But let's talk about this ON situation.
If ON flips red, this is when you, the town aligned player, want to go through his posts. Who does he avoid talking to? Who does he defend? Does he ever attack/accuse someone in a way that seems fake? That's a good way to find potential teammates. From that list, go through all of their posts and try to analyse their behavior. Do they treat ON strangely? Are their posts scummy at all?
AFTER YOU DO ALLLLLLLL OF THAT
Go ahead and build a case. Otherwise keep your mouth shut. It does not "prove" Gmarshal is mafia or anyone else. If he flips green then it doesn't mean anything other than he played poorly, really. What it does mean that it is likely mafia aren't going to be outright opposing his lynch, maybe a couple will weakly, but by and large mafia will have no reason to try to stop him from being lynched. Keep that in mind, but don't run too far with that idea.
If I'm offering any "substance" (whatever that means), it's a mayor who won't let the mafia pressure him into making bad decisions. I will analyse independently and vote based on my own conclusions, that's the safest way.
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On April 11 2011 12:20 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 12:14 M0nsterChef wrote:On April 11 2011 11:31 redFF wrote:On April 11 2011 11:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I feel terrible abotu gmarshal right now. I think mayor should be me but everyone hates me so I guess kitaman27 is a rational choice.
Just to re iterate.
I AM RUNNING FOR MAYOR.
My platform:
-ignore assassin bullshit for the most part
-I'd consider protact for pardoner because
a. he will use his powers to help the town in exchange for the bodyguard protection so he can win his game
b. pardoner isn't a strong role for the town
-keep town focused on hunting scum
-ignore everything pandain and kenpachi say
so if those seem like things you like, you should vote for me. My top 3 lynch candidates are:
1. originalname
2. mig
3. kavdragon
That makes 2 of us. I have been pushing for a day one lynch of originalname for a while, I think you should consider m0nsterChef too. I will do everything I can do to try and convince people to not vote gmarshal as the amount of reasonless votes for him is still unfathomable. Yeah i'm stalling on who i vote for because i want to see more solid numbers. That being said: ##Unvote Protact
## Vote DrH As i feel we need a rational town mayor as opposed to an assassin mayor, though i still want Protact as pardoner. 2 extra kills for town and a check guys come on. This is the third time you have insisted on lynching me, yet provide no other reason other than that I voted for Gmarshal without explaining why. If you read a couple pages back you'll see why I voted for him in one of my posts. Yes, after the other scum told you that you had to provide a reason and what to reasons to provide. I am now pretty sure you are scum.
thats not a good argument
"You're scum because you're scum" is basically what you just said
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Oh here's just a tip for people: I advise keeping like a spreadsheet/word document and try to keep track of who you think is scum, who defends/attacks who, basically where people stand in the game.
On April 12 2011 01:58 Barundar wrote:Frankly this early scum will have a pretty easy time spreading out, both vote-wise and post-wise. If you want to look for connections, try and look for people who simply ignore each others posts - scum rarely have to read their allies' posts or think about them, because they know the posts are just there to confuse town. Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 01:42 darmousseh wrote:
I changed my mind about gmarshal, I think DrH's plan is better.
##Unvote
##Vote DrH Does this mean you think GM is scum now? What relevance does DrH's plan have to your opinion about GM?
He probably means changing his mind about GM being mayor.
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On April 12 2011 02:04 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 02:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Oh here's just a tip for people: I advise keeping like a spreadsheet/word document and try to keep track of who you think is scum, who defends/attacks who, basically where people stand in the game. On April 12 2011 01:58 Barundar wrote:Frankly this early scum will have a pretty easy time spreading out, both vote-wise and post-wise. If you want to look for connections, try and look for people who simply ignore each others posts - scum rarely have to read their allies' posts or think about them, because they know the posts are just there to confuse town. On April 12 2011 01:42 darmousseh wrote:
I changed my mind about gmarshal, I think DrH's plan is better.
##Unvote
##Vote DrH Does this mean you think GM is scum now? What relevance does DrH's plan have to your opinion about GM? He probably means changing his mind about GM being mayor. Or a notepad! You too can be a noir detective!
I also suggest smoking a cigarette and wearing a trenchcoat during post analysis
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On April 12 2011 02:07 Robellicose wrote:Realised I've only really been responding, and haven't put my own thoughts on all the candidates out there, so I'm going to clarify my position on the election race. Protact: Your main points are seemingly valid, but if it comes to the late game, and you've completed your win condition then we will not have a town mayor in a position of safety from which to lynch scum. I do not believe that the other assassins would be gunning for our bodyguards however - I believe they would wait for the bodyguards to be taken out by the mafia, and then go in for the kill. Mafia may even try to discover who the other assassins are, completing the assassin game more quickly and stripping town of their mayor position even more quickly. Too much risk for us in these cases, compared to us having a townie in the position. Massive props for the 10-ton steel balls you had to announce yourself that early on though. I would like to know your position in this case: If you become mayor, and determine the last assassin other than you, would you willingly delay using your last KP on this person? As far as I can see, that would put you at risk of not completing your win condition as mafia + assassin could well take you out if they find out the BGs. We would obviously want you to stay in position as long as possible, not only for the assassin abilities but for the votes the mayoral position has. At what point would your position become untenable and you'd have to kill the last assassin and leave the game? Chaoser: I think you're probably green. Not certain though. I would like to know why you decided to switch your vote from GM to Protact after the assassin reveal. Do you believe that having an assassin (I'm pretty certain protact wasn't lying when he claimed assassin) is preferable to having a town player (again, pretty certain GM is town, no clue whether green or blue though) and if so, why? Dr. H: As I've mentioned previously, I no longer have a read on you. Your initial post about assassins was great Show nested quote +we should help assassins simply so that they do not accidentally kill townies. so if you suspect someone may be an assassin, by all means announce it and give your analysis. if that guides the assassins toward killing eachother instead of us, that's great. you could also analayse someone you believe to be mafia as assassin if you are confident you can goad an assassin into hitting them, that would work as well. but you then became quite aggressive, and seemingly changed your mind about an assassin mayor. I'd like to know why at that point you felt you could no longer trust protact? Kavdragon:I personally do not have a read on you at all. A lot of people are saying they read you as red. What do you believe in your posts contradicts this heavily? What is your long term plan for this game if you were to become mayor? GMarshall: I think you're green, so most of my questions are to do with your plans as mayor. Why do you believe lynching inactives is a superior choice as opposed to lynching lurker posters? Is it solely a scare tactic to encourage posting, or is there an additional motive behind this? Who would your ideal pick be for a pardoner - suspected green, a roleclaiming blue, or a practically confirmed black? I'm not talking about this game in particular - would like to hear your choices just based on this information. Finally, sorry if I've forgotten to mention a candidate, but two questions to every candidate - Who are the two people you most want to lynch, and who are the two people you are most sure are green?
My mind didn't change on whether or not I trust protactinium, it changed on whether or not he should be mayor. If he is pardoner, this would be absolutely sufficient to fulfill both his needs and our needs while spinning the assassin game to be in our advantage. At first I thought like Jackal, this would guarantee a non-scum mayor and this would basically do away with all the pesky election analysis that wastes time, but the mayor is pretty strong in this game and it's going to be better for town with a green/blue mayor and a black pardoner I think.
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I don't like the idea of a blue "list". Here is my advice:
Detective - Investigate the person you most suspect of being scum.
Medics - Protect the a person you believe to be town who you think might get hit (active scumhunters/people who hinted they might be blue)
Trackers - Track inactive players. If they do something, read their posts and try to determine if they are quiet blues or scum.
Watchers - Watch someone you believe to be town who you think might get hit.
I'm not going to put out a list of names, use your own judgment. Don't rely on what others tell you, mafia will try to make you waste your abilities.
I really dislike the direction GMarshal is taking right now. Vig Kitaman? Are you serious?
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On April 12 2011 02:48 tnkted wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 01:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 01:21 GMarshal wrote:
So you guys want to lynch ON for information? You do realize that that is absolutely awful play, right?
Think about it, this is DAY 1 people are flip flopping right and left, we are surrounded by new players, they behave erratically so any information that lynching ON "reveals" about them is worthless . Lynching ON proves nothing either way, about me or any other players. If you people want to lynch him because you think he is a red, then thats fine, but lynching for information day 1, with no clearly drawn lines, and not much to go on is terrible, terrible play.
Come on people, lets lynch scum, not townies!
This is a good point from Gmarshal. "Let's lynch for information" is something scum love to say, because really "information" is just a WIFOM scenario that they can push in whichever way they want. If ON turns up green/red that doesn't really give us that much relevant information. Mafia will often attack/accuse other mafia on day 1 and use confounding tactics to make sure they can not be discovered if a teammate is lynched. On April 11 2011 22:55 tnkted wrote:On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote:
If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips. Actually, Protract is the one that would give us the most information. ON is nowhere near a threat right now. Meanwhile, I am convinced that DrH is a horrible candidate for mayor. How many of the people that disagree with him has he targeted for a lynch? So far he's accused myself, Kav, Kita, and Potract of being scum. The only one he doesn't think is scum is GM and he's been taking Protract and other people's arguements to support that. He isn't running on a platform of substance, just one of accusing all the other candidates of scumming. And lynching ON won't clear up anything. Maybe he was just acting like he disagreed with you to prove that you're actually green when you're read? You have know idea exactly how devious the mafia can act in this game. Lynching ON won't prove anyone's greenness other than ONs. You need to be extremely careful with bandwagoning in this game. If nobody is disagreeing with you it means that mafia likes your idea, or is laying low because its late game and there are 6 people alive. Do not be sheep, newbies. I'd like to ask, what exactly is a platform of substance? It seems like your only goal here really is to discourage people from voting for me, even though you don't seem to think I'm scum. I have never accused Protactinium, you, or kita of being scum. Kavdragon/mib were the only two I made a real case for. Either you really misunderstood some things I said or you're putting words in my mouth to make me look bad. Which is it?
My Thoughts
OriginalName is still my top lynch candidate, but if I'm elected mayor I will re-read everybodies posting to make a decision. If I am elected and don't lynch OriginalName don't accuse me of "going back on my promises" or anything like that. I will lynch my top suspect no matter what, I will always vote for my top suspect, NO MATTER WHAT the "town" (a.k.a the mafia) wants me to do. But let's talk about this ON situation. If ON flips red, this is when you, the town aligned player, want to go through his posts. Who does he avoid talking to? Who does he defend? Does he ever attack/accuse someone in a way that seems fake? That's a good way to find potential teammates. From that list, go through all of their posts and try to analyse their behavior. Do they treat ON strangely? Are their posts scummy at all? AFTER YOU DO ALLLLLLLL OF THAT Go ahead and build a case. Otherwise keep your mouth shut. It does not "prove" Gmarshal is mafia or anyone else. If he flips green then it doesn't mean anything other than he played poorly, really. What it does mean that it is likely mafia aren't going to be outright opposing his lynch, maybe a couple will weakly, but by and large mafia will have no reason to try to stop him from being lynched. Keep that in mind, but don't run too far with that idea. If I'm offering any "substance" (whatever that means), it's a mayor who won't let the mafia pressure him into making bad decisions. I will analyse independently and vote based on my own conclusions, that's the safest way. If you keep posting like this I'll retract everything I've said about you. Finally, a post with content that gives a good example for the newbies! But you're wrong. You have accused me of being scum several times, sheeping off protract. Several of your other 'gut' accusations have been people who disagreed with you. Responding to protracts absolutely stupid list of scum/people who disagreed with his plan: Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 05:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
tnkted is assassin probably
kavdragon/mib are mafia
gmarshal is probably town imo Responding to me immediately afterwards: Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 05:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
im not pro-protact at all, that's just my read on you right now
i mean it's day 1 so these reads are shitty but i think the scum team is:
kavdragon
mib
aidnai
jackal58
and some other people idk, thats just a baseline guess i'm really only feeling good about kav and mib at the moment Lets look at your scum list. MiB made one newbie post and you immediately jumped on him and started tunnelling. Jackal has been playing this game precicely the same as he has last time, with short contentless posts talking about how much he hates scum, etc, interspaced with witty play on words and condescending nicknames. He was green last time. Ironically, you started thinking he was scum immediately after arguing with him over... what exactly?Aidnai I haven't analyzed very much, so you may be right about him. You've been tunnelling kav since the beginning of the game with no evidence, purely because he wanted to be mayor. Either give solid reasons, with quotes, for all of those people (including myself) or stop throwing around stupid accusations. Personally I think you've missed all of the real mafia in this thread. I'll be posting my own list later when I'm not in class (ie, like 9 or 10 CST tonight) and not one person on my list is on yours. Disregarding all of that for a moment, I hope you keep posting like this because this is the sort of example we need to give newbies.
That list was an old gut list mostly meant to see if i could provoke a reaction out of jackal/aidnai. So it was a failure. If I seriously suspect someone, I'll make a case. Sometimes I like to FoS people just to see how they respond or how others respond.
Anyway assassins ! = scum. By scum I mean mafia. If you're an assassin, I don't particularly care.
Tunneling is not a bad thing. Tunneling is exactly how you should scumhunt. Focus down on one person, pressure them hard, force them to defend themselves until you're either more sure they are mafia or are satisfied. MiB's defense has neutered my suspicions slightly, but he's on my shitlist for sure.
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On April 12 2011 02:48 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 02:36 kitaman27 wrote:On April 12 2011 02:30 kitaman27 wrote:On April 12 2011 02:25 GMarshal wrote:
Oh, and I just realized something, kitaman should be shot by vigis stating night 2 because he is running for pardoner, I just re-read the description and the pardoner is horribly, horribly anti town, it makes the day end on no lynch essentially giving the mafia a free night. I say vigi and not lynch because its too easy a bandwagon to policy lynch someone, it gives us no real information on the lynch. LOL. So you agree with my policy enough to vote for me and now you are calling for a vig shot? You really are a dirty politician  I ran specifically for pardoner because it is horribly, horribly anti-town. If I win, I guarantee that mafia cannot reach LYLO a day earlier. If you want to address any of my stances so far, then I'm open to discussion, but to call for a vig shot without providing reasoning is scummy. Furthermore, your buddy Chaoser ran solely for pardoner too. Surely, you want him lynched too if your reasoning is consistent? HAHA medic protection? Either that post was not well thought out or you have an ulterior motive against me. Chaoser retracted his candidacy fairly early, and I've been getting a fairly steady town read off of him, you were also the first person to run for pardoner which suggests to me that you realized its power pretty much off the bat, both chaoser and I thought that what pardoning did was get the second highest vote count player lynched, as opposed to just ending the day. Also you neglect the rest of my post, what do you think about the medic and DT lists?
do you have a good reason for kitaman27 being scum other than "he ran for pardoner"?
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gmarshal what about pandain? he faked a DT roleclaim to get the role of pardoner. he announced in his post (on page 35) that he was running for pardoner, not mayor. why vig kitaman27 over him?
is it because kitaman27 has been on the money with his logic and scumhunting ability or?
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On April 12 2011 03:06 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 02:41 GMarshal wrote:
As for the outrage at my medic list, I want to hear who you guys would rather have on it, thats half the point of my list. Not outrage at all. Actually I'm a bit flattered. But I got ask also - Why Tackster? He has been absent this entire day 1 so far. He may actually be in danger of being mod killed. I'd have to go back and verify that. Dunno if he's posted since the day post or not. But he certainly hasn't posted anything noteworthy yet. I don't get it GMan. And poor Tack might get a complex if he thinks I'm bagging on him. But I'm not. I just wanna know how you can say he's medic protection worthy when he hasn't even posted yet? And redFF. - I don't get comfy vibes from him man. I don't know what it is but he's not town like I'd want town to be. He's more like somebody else's mouthpiece. I'll give him time to grow on me but right now he makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up.
I agree. I'm getting the vibe that he's gonna be that mafia maverick type, the guy on the scumteam who calls out his buddies and kinda plays lone wolf. I usually like to take that role, I know it well. But he's made a lot of good points so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.
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On April 12 2011 03:13 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 03:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
gmarshal what about pandain? he faked a DT roleclaim to get the role of pardoner. he announced in his post (on page 35) that he was running for pardoner, not mayor. why vig kitaman27 over him?
is it because kitaman27 has been on the money with his logic and scumhunting ability or? Pandian should be vigied too, I assumed that was factored in everyones calculations by now, the only reason why we *might* keep him around is if his blue claim held true, I mentioned I subscribe to LaL, by my account pandian should die too
Well at least you're keeping consistency. I'd like to see Protact kill Pandain or Kavdragon on Night 2, but I think we should wait for Day 2 to resolve itself before plans are made for the second night, yeah?
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On April 12 2011 02:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I don't like the idea of a blue "list". Here is my advice:
Detective - Investigate the person you most suspect of being scum.
Medics - Protect the a person you believe to be town who you think might get hit (active scumhunters/people who hinted they might be blue)
Trackers - Track inactive players. If they do something, read their posts and try to determine if they are quiet blues or scum.
Watchers - Watch someone you believe to be town who you think might get hit.
I'm not going to put out a list of names, use your own judgment. Don't rely on what others tell you, mafia will try to make you waste your abilities.
I really dislike the direction GMarshal is taking right now. Vig Kitaman? Are you serious?
how about we dont have a list
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On April 12 2011 03:55 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2011 03:53 BrownBear wrote:
4. You may not vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game. tnkted, pandain,DrH Kita.
I believe this is assumed to mean you can not vote to lynch yourself.
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On April 12 2011 04:04 AirbladeOrange wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 03:22 chaoser wrote:
Hmmm, that's a good point...pardoner is just a prince of darkness...good catch GM. That means red in any type of elected position is powerful. Which means there's DEFINITELY a red run campaign out there. Do reds generally run multiple people for mayor/pardoner, or just throw all their support to one of them?
Depends. Usually only one and they want to make sure the race is close so if the mafia mayor/pardoner gets lynched they don't all get caught. Rarely do mafia all just landslide onto a target. Sometimes mafia will drop out though.
Pandain in Insane Mafia 1 is a perfect example of a failed mafia campaign for mayor.
Also I think I know who all three assassins are. Protactinium, my request is you hold back. If you are elected you have no reason to finish your game so quickly and if you're half as good at analysing as I am you've probably come to the same conclusion. This assassin thing could resolve itself pretty quickly though.
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