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On April 14 2011 08:15 GMarshal wrote: /facepalm /facepalm /facepalm Word cannot describe how foolish this claim was. There are a lot of newbies in this game. Roleclaims seem like an easy way to "defend" to the newer player. | ||
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On April 14 2011 07:36 aidnai wrote: The big problem with this debate is 1) likely scenario is protact = assassin, coag = vet 2) mafia don't really care about who we kill here 3) debating this is therefore mostly a waste of time. Best course of action is let protact die tonight, decide about a coag lynch based on the flip (or vig him pretty please  Therefore it's time to post my lynch candidate: Rean. + Show Spoiler [rean's posts with commentary] + On April 11 2011 08:21 Rean wrote: yeah right you're gonna kill mafia while they actually help you by possibly killing a asassin, giving up your night-actions in the progress YEAAAAAAAAAAH, right, you're gonna ignore your own win conditions because you're such a nice person keep trying, you're pretty amusing. One of the quickest and most dismissive responses to protact. Doesn't mean he's scum yet, but in combo with his later acceptance of protact is completely damning. On April 11 2011 19:20 Rean wrote: I'm starting to think that the third assasin not Prot or Eiii is laughing his ass off. Both his adversary's have been revealed and with Prot's campaign failing, he has this in the bag, A good thing for town aswell, the quicker these assasins gtfo out of the game the less chance they accidentally kill a townie. not-so-subtley suggesting that eiii is assassin, which I think was unfounded (but maybe not it's not important to my case). On April 12 2011 07:32 Rean wrote: Placeholder vote on DrH right now, seems to be the best candidate although i'd ask to tone down thew aggresiveness a bit. As for who to lynch: Pandain seems to be a safe bet, his fakeclaim DT is completely retarded and even if he's town he's not helping so we might aswell kill him. THIS POST IS IMPORTANT! "even if he's town he's not helping so we might aswell kill him." Absolutely a scumtell. Especially since, seeing the night kills, we know mafia believed the claim more than the retraction. Townies facepalmed or ridiculed pandain, they didn't call for his lynch. On April 12 2011 08:15 Rean wrote: Meapak says it's okay to pm the host: [01:14] <+Meapak> FUCK [01:14] <+Meapak> redff [01:14] <+Meapak> dude [01:14] <+Meapak> I'm at 1499 posts [01:14] <+Meapak> I can't post  [01:14] <+GGQ> i keep accidentally missing my milestone posts [01:14] <+Meapak> just tell him that he can PM the hosts Apparently he's in irc with GGQ zzz... On April 12 2011 23:06 Rean wrote: I'm trying out this new scum strategy: lurk really hardcore and only respond every once every 8 or so hours with meaningless posts, while simultaniously posting a ton in another mafia thread, so i can avoid any suspicion. If anyone accuses me: ignore it. Is it working? Responds to a legitimate point by blowing it off and trolling. 1) His response time shows he's actively reading this thread (responded within 10 minutes) 2) His thread presence in Insane 2 shows his 'normal' activity level 3) His thread presence in this game shows??? and yet all he does for the next several posts is claim mafia -_- Why would a mafia do this? well, the main reason I think would be to be able to ask 'why would a mafia do this?' while at the same time COMPLETELY DODGING THE QUESTION. This game is definitely not boring, there's no excuse for his activity level. On April 12 2011 23:10 Rean wrote: Nah, he's my teammate but he's putting the "ask stupid questions and look like a total newbie" method to the test. I'm trying out the strategy I explained above trollolol -_- On April 12 2011 23:29 Rean wrote: Don't complain, we want them to kill town so they don't lynch us. We talked over this yesterday, remember? zzz... On April 13 2011 00:13 Rean wrote: Awesome. Now all we need is iGrok to swap in for one of my other scumbuddy's and the famed Insane Mafia 2 police team is back worket together once more! ON, can't you suddenly be inable to play so iGrok can swap in or something? At this point, it's obvious that Rean is trying to bring his activity level to 'normal' levels while ignoring what is actually going on so he doesn't have to take a stance. On April 13 2011 07:08 Rean wrote: What he's saying is that lynching ON might be a gamble, but it's one with a high reward. Either we kill him, he flips red and we've got a few red buddies to point out, or he flips green and then people like RedFF will start to be very red. A risk that might just be worth taking, unless there's another good option. Lynch for information, a risk worth taking... I want what this guy has been smoking. On April 13 2011 07:33 Rean wrote: ....that has to be the most retarded analogy yet. no comment On April 13 2011 17:01 Rean wrote: Yeah, nice try. Except my first mafia game here was Death Factory (townie twin with RoL), second game Insane Mafia 2. As for the Coagulation affair: looking through all of his previous posts, two things really stand out above all: he is extremely paranoid of Prot becoming mayor, freaking out whenever it seems likely that he's being elected only to continue lurking once the threat dies down. Secondly, he has another classic "100% town guys dw had town read all along" read a la Lemonwalrus on GMarshal, despite the fact that alot of people have being pointing out how scummy GMarshal has been all along. I don't know, but I doubt anyone not mafia buddy's with him would trust their reads this much when alot of others are doubting him. Then again, that's what I thought in Insane Mafia 2 aswell and look how that turned out >.> If I had to guess right now, i'd say that both Coagulation and GMarshal are red. Protactinium: I honestly don't fucking know if you're assassin or DT, and quite frankly I couldn't care less. Being a veteran player you could've easily made that read as a assassin. Right now i'd say we lynch Coagulation and if he flips red, medic Prot. If he flips green (doubtful) Prot dies. This is where it gets juicy again: a) he once again dodges the activity/trolling issue b) HE THINKS COAG IS SCUMMY FOR REJECTING PROTACT FOR MAYOR DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER FOLKS c) throwing FOS around at coag/gmarshal d) DOESN'T KNOW/CARE IF PROT IS AN ASSASSIN, BUT STILL CALLS FOR MEDIC ON HIM DING DING DING TWICE IN ONE POST. Thanks for making it easy Rean On April 13 2011 17:12 Rean wrote: I'm saying that if he's a assassin, he just made the read on Coagulation because it's pretty easy to see he's scum based on his posting. He's a veteran player after all, it wouldn't be all that far-fetched. Sure, he'd be lying his ass off but he's not actually being detrimental to town so /care. Once again, contradicting his original rejection of protact. This is huge: before he couldn't accept for one second that protact would play in a way that didn't hurt town, now he's convinced of the opposite. What's the difference? well, in case one protact is denying scum a chance at mayor, in case two, protact is tying up a medic, but still role-blockable. On April 13 2011 17:35 Rean wrote: That just about seals the deal. Cya Coagulation. This alone makes me sure that coag is a bad lynch today. On April 13 2011 18:32 Rean wrote: So he is a assassin, whatever. Doesn't clear you one bit, you've still acted pretty damn scummy all game long. Yes, acted scummy by opposing protact as mayor amirite? On April 13 2011 21:09 Rean wrote: Read the damn thread, plenty of people are reading him as scum, notably because of his extreme opposition towards Prot while also heavily promoting GMarshal to be mayor (without ever giving any solid reason as to why GM other then "had town read on him". You're following scum 101: one of your buddies under threat? Suggest they lynch someone else. Try harder please. mudslinging more mudslinging. If you don't want to read the whole wall of text, read only the quotes that I posted red under. Important points to remember: 1) Rean's attitude towards protact and coag proves that he is mafia 2) Rean's attitude towards his activity level and his responses to criticism indicate he is mafia 3) Rean's lack of contribution and mudslinging just put the nail in the coffin. Lynch Red. Lynch Rean. I really dislike this for a few reasons. Your rhetoric at the end is alarming. Using the word proves takes it a bit far. However I do understand the intoxication of confidence in scumhunting and the desire to be a bit provocative. Pot calling the kettle black but I feel the need to point it out because it's a mistake I make too. "even if he's town he's not helping so we might aswell kill him." Absolutely a scumtell. Especially since, seeing the night kills, we know mafia believed the claim more than the retraction. Townies facepalmed or ridiculed pandain, they didn't call for his lynch. A lot of shitty townies are in this mentality. This is bad reasoning on Rean's part but it isn't enough for a lynch. a) he once again dodges the activity/trolling issue b) HE THINKS COAG IS SCUMMY FOR REJECTING PROTACT FOR MAYOR DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER FOLKS c) throwing FOS around at coag/gmarshal d) DOESN'T KNOW/CARE IF PROT IS AN ASSASSIN, BUT STILL CALLS FOR MEDIC ON HIM DING DING DING TWICE IN ONE POST. He's saying coagulation is a likely assassin choice because he was so vehement in his opposition for protact as mayor. I picked up on this as well. FoS on coagulation/gmarshal isn't a scumtell. I think you misunderstand the last part. I said basically the same thing, I'm surprised you aren't going after me for it. Picking the easy target? | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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On April 14 2011 08:57 GMarshal wrote: Thanks for reminding me to look at the kills jackal, I remember I thought it was something important to do (some vet mentioned it after insane 2, I forget who), and then day came and I woke up to the whole Assassin claiming DT mess. Anyway, my take on the kills, I'm going back and looking at every post by this person to see why they might have been killed. Mafia will often off those who start to suspect them to draw attention away. So, one by one now darmousseh: Thinks I am town, thinks Dr.H is town, thinks Kav is scum, almost no relevant posts tnkted: FoS on TranceStorm, Defends ON based on the same stuff I said, Thinks I'm town, Defends MiB CubEdIn: had all of *three* posts before his death... yeah makes no sense to me. at least he was restored to us! Pandain: I can only assume that the shit with his DT claim worried the mafia enough to shoot him, although this kill makes the least sense of all, in my opinion at least. Pandian didn't have any credibility or any posts outside of his DT claim conclusion: is the mafia team retarded? or just slow on the uptake? The missed all the good analysts and people with thread presence and went after people who weren't doing much. While im glad the missed all the people posting alot of analysis, I have to suspect that they don't enjoy a very strong leadership. Either that or they consciously chose to avoid people on my medic list, (well except for tnkted) which would point to the medic lists being a good idea. A common trait is that all these people (Except pandian) thought I was town at one point or another, which is noteworthy, although it proves nothing. Also Dr.H waiting on your reply to me ^_^ I hope you're comfortable waiting quite a while. I scanned it and saw mostly bad point. I don't intend to have a back and forth with you. I'll tell you why you're misguided once and leave it at that unless you have specific questions. | ||
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On April 14 2011 09:07 GMarshal wrote: Well, thats one way to defend oneself I guess, refuse to argue. Ok, tell me why I'm "misguided" if it doesn't satisfy me I'll keep bothering you No, I'm saying I will respond to your post just not anytime very soon because I am too busy to make a long drawn out post right this very minute. I'm saying that once I defend myself, I've defended myself. I don't want to have a big argument with you, it's just noise. People can look at what you said and what I said and decide for themselves what makes sense. | ||
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On April 14 2011 10:55 GMarshal wrote: you sir are not a DT, because that is not how DT's funcion in this game. DTs here return a role from which you must infer alignment. You didn't claim your check revealed coag to be a goon or a roleblocker, because you had no way of knowing that that is what you would get back as a dt, you didn't check coag last night because you are an assassin, hence you dont know if he is scum and if he is you dont know what role. Can we now as a town ignore the assassin? If you explain how exactly you know this then I am fully ready to abandon the coagulation lynch and do a new analysis. | ||
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On April 14 2011 11:27 GMarshal wrote: Read the description in the op very carefully. I'm not going to say more than that either way. It says reveal their "true profession". This does not necessarily imply that they will not get alignment. | ||
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On April 14 2011 11:30 GMarshal wrote: Well then I guess I have no choice but to claim. I'm a DT. I will *not* reveal who I checked as to not put them into any danger. I was hoping to keep this as a surprise to the scum in the lategame, but I'm not going to let the assassin get away with shit. No scum would do this to save coagulation of all people. My vote is off Coagulation. | ||
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On April 14 2011 11:36 GGQ wrote: Your attitude toward Protact made it obvious, tbh. Frankly, I'm not sure I believe it, and I'll explain why in a minute. coagulation is not a power player I can't see any mafia faking a DT claim to save a lynch on coagulation. that's pretty desperate play especially considering how much dissent there already is to the lynch: and the fact that mafia has no reason to try to get protactinium lynched/killed if they believe he is the assassin (unlike the reasons they would have to keep him out of office) | ||
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On April 14 2011 12:23 BrownBear wrote: Role, from which alignment can be inferred. Well that's it then. | ||
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On April 14 2011 13:28 tnkted wrote: mafia is talking to me in PM they say hi, and that you guys are all going to die like i did GO GET EM TOWN Please stop posting. This interferes with my analysis of the game whether you think what you're posting is relevant or not. | ||
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Why do you trust Coagulations roleclaim in the first place? | ||
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On April 15 2011 07:02 LSB wrote: Who else is up for the lynch? I don't get why don't people accept Coag's claim at face value? If he was mafia he'd claim townie. if i were mafia i'd claim veteran | ||
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On April 15 2011 07:07 LSB wrote: Just saying, you kindof suck at fake claims. By suck I mean you really really suck at fake claims. I guess so because I've never done it except in HP veteran = easiest blue role to fake | ||
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On April 15 2011 07:14 LSB wrote: Read this So, you, yes you. Why are you lynching Coagulation? Are you trusting the words of a Mafia (presumptuous) who lied about being an Assassin how do you know that, and has been Proven by Gmarshall to be lying about his role of detective? Why are you lynching coagulation? Because you think he's red? How about this. A compromise. The Plan: Today we lynch Prot no Tonight we will call for a Vig hit on Coagulation LOL NO If Coagulation is hit and survives the night, that means he is vet. If he isn't vet, he'll just be dead. Win win. This makes perfect sense if you are scum and coagulation is not. This means town wastes lynch on the assassin and we lose a vig hit that will be useful later. The vig hit is NOT to be used as a confirmation power, don't be silly. In a 40 person game that's just stupid. Why this is preferable that letting Prot live Contrary to popular belief, Mafia and assassins have little incentive to kill Prot. LOL This is because they know that if they let Prot live, he'll just be lynched. Incorrect. Assassins have a HUGE incentive to kill Prot. Because A= they gain 1 KP, B= they come closer to winning the game. This is good for them because it takes heat off of them for one day. We will need to lynch Prot one way or the other. If we do it this way according to plan, we 1) Save a lynch. 2) If coag is saying the truth, we'll have 1 more townie. we DO NOT need to lynch Prot because there is no way assassins wont hit him on night 2. This is a plan meant to make town WASTE a lynch and a VIG hit. You've contradicted yourself a lot trying to put this "plan" into place, I'll have a longer post on you coming up shortly. Reading LSB's recent posts has put me in a bit of a new perspective. If he's scum, I doubt the mafia is all going along with this. Unfortunately Coagulations alignment gives a HUGE amount of information. I think we should lynch Rean or m0nsterchef, someone like that. Have GMarshal check coagulation on night 2 and report the results. This way we can get the "information" without potentially losing a townie. That's my plan : / Also going to take a look at: redFF | ||
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On April 15 2011 07:15 LSB wrote: Think. If you are an assassin and you know that Prot is a mafia. Would you shoot Prot? Or would you shoot someone else you think is an assassin? You would shoot the second person. The assassin knows that Prot will be lynched Day 3. And Prot being lynched day three is good for the assassin for two reasons. 1) They don't have to waste a hit, and can search somewhere else. 2) They are saved from suspicion for one day. thats impossible soooo | ||
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On April 15 2011 07:17 ilovejonn wrote: Seriously, what is up with this guy? Why are we keeping him alive? Because he's new? When I was new I actually tried to play the game.. but this is just ridiculous. Also, I will not discuss the Coag vs Prot situation anymore, and I'm keeping my vote on who I think is scum. Vig hitting Coag and letting Prot die at night is the best situation if Coag is red and Prot is blue. If Prot is DT then he knows he did his best and at least did a 1 - 1 trade for town despite town not voting for Coag. The only BAD situation I can think of for town is if we have no Vig's left after Pandain died. Therefore if Coag lives the night and claims a hit, and if no VIGI's step up to claim they shot Coag, I'm willing to bet Coag is scum. oh wait we have someone coming along with LSB's "plan" with a much softer claim. You've contributed very little to the thread and you start off your post insinuating we should lynch someone regardless of their alignment. bolded proven to be false Prot is not the dt. This plan is nearly identical to LSB's except: -you insinuate protact could be blue which we all know isn't true now -involves vigi roleclaim -involves possibly wasting a vigi hit what I find interesting is you don't consider how awful this plan is IF coagulation is blue and Protact is black/red. | ||
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On April 15 2011 07:25 ilovejonn wrote: Hmm, that's bad too. Ah shit, that's actually a really good point if a mafia does that we won't know if they're telling the truth unless there's a DT check.. + we don't know how many blue roles there are.. Also, LSB I agree with your points. Now that I think about it, Prot's DT/black claim is very good for him.. Mafia might be hesistant to hit him at night if he's truly black, but they would also want to hit a DT. Blacks wouldn't want to hit him since they have a secured black target to use their last hammer on, or at least their DT check on Prot first. This situation just gets messier unless we lynch one of them.. ugh. Why don't we lynch neither, have GMarshal check Coagulation and then march on? I think we should find a scum outside this whole situation to lynch today and resolve whats going with this during the night. | ||
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