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Jackal, I propose we pressure the following five: TranceStorm -because one of the dead suspected him AirbladeOrange - because I think he comes off as scummy Mig jaminz kevconsim then if we get responses that satisfy us we move onto another set of five. | ||
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GMarshal
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quotes in spoilers, my commentary in bold + Show Spoiler + On April 10 2011 18:10 AirbladeOrange wrote: Hello. I just got off my temp ban and had to read through 438967346 pages here. For the mayor situation, it just seems so difficult to actually pick a good mayor at the beginning of the game. Everyone who's running seems like they have an equally valid reason for why people should vote for them. Hell, I probably would have run if I weren't temp banned. My instincts tell me to vote for the flashy guy. Marshal seems like he would be a guy with a fancy looking suit based on the pretty pictures presented in his campaign post. this is the worst reasoning I have seen for a vote, ever... GM has pretty pictures! Vote GM!? + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2011 04:04 AirbladeOrange wrote: Would any of the Mayor candidates think about taking out Dr. H? well, this is notable a rather bold first post it provides no reasoning and seems to accomplish nothing + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2011 04:16 AirbladeOrange wrote: I'm thinking about voting for you for Mayor actually. But only if you will take me out. You can run on the kill airbladeorange platform. the fuck? so random I dont know what to say one way or another + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2011 05:07 AirbladeOrange wrote: What are your reasonings? I feel like its impossible to think we know much of anything at this point. How can you even say we "know you're not mafia?" I may be the village idiot, but I acknowledge the fact that we don't really know anything. At least as a collective group. Both Kavdragon and Gmarshal had decent posts for mayor, but you just never know. Unless you know thing that I or others do not. great way of saying nothing, while looking like you are saying nothing, yet still supporting someone + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2011 05:17 AirbladeOrange wrote: Even if Dr. H got hit, it doesn't mean that everyone on that list is mafia. It doesn't even mean that ANYONE there is mafia. They could hit him to make it seem like the other guys on his suspicious list are mafia when they could just be town. this is actually a decent point, but still it says very little + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2011 05:20 AirbladeOrange wrote: Maybe it's just because I don't know Dr. H's style of play, but it just strikes me as being suspicious. But regardless he hasn't actually done anything yet to give us a reason to take action against him. But I do agree with him and Coag that we need to not worry about assassins for now. Definitely keep it in mind, but if we focus too much on them it will certainly give us less of a chance getting the mafia. this is a vacuous comment parroting Dr.H that looks like its adding something but isn't +1 scumpoint + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2011 05:44 AirbladeOrange wrote: I'm feeling uneasy that claiming roles and shitting up a storm is helping to keep the mafia safe and the town not united.  noncontributing generality! Yay! + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2011 06:34 AirbladeOrange wrote: It seems like the only people have have a chance at winning all fit this description. Do you care to call anyone out or elaborate your thoughts? at least he calls out FF but it adds nothing really null tell on this post + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2011 06:46 AirbladeOrange wrote: I'd say it's highly unlikely the mafia is mostly inactive people. Lurking or being inactive doesn't really indicate you are town, mafia, or an assassin. It just either means you are not paying much attention to the game or you don't really know what to do. It's always worth keeping track of who is lurking but I don't really see a lurker as a threat we can say should be lynched soon. I'm more concerned about active people are are trying to deceive the town. I'm moderately suspicious of Dr. H. still just because of how he came right out the the gate a little bit crazy. Kavdragon, as I mentioned earlier, started out seeming like town but seems to get more and more suspicious as the game goes on. Now he is just throwing around accusations that I don't fully understand. downright wrong, mafia often hides amongst the lurkers. to me this looks like he is trying to distract attention from his buddies in the shadows, also alot of text to say "I want to lynch an active player over a lurker" yet manages to dodge committing to any of them + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2011 09:35 AirbladeOrange wrote: My first post i said I was thinking about voting for Marshal. I had just come off of a ban and was giving my initial feeling from reading all those pages of mostly spam. It wasn't until a good amount later that I actually made a decision and voted. I didn't have a reason to vote against him, as Dr. H and Kav seemed more suspicious than him, and they were two of the other major contenders. Later, I think it was I, who first mentioned that he might be red. The bandwagoning can be suspicious but really I don't put much stock into it. The last game of mafia I played the town bandwagons a lot especially in the early game. I don't really suspect Marshal, but of course it's possible. M0nsterChef is either red or is just bad at the game. That's what I'm thinking. But I think there might be a correlation between him blindly voting for Marshal and possibly people bandwagoning. Even though bandwagoning doesn't mean much at this point, reds are very likely to bandwagon right now. If any red is bandwagoning it is probably a lurker like M0nsterChef. I say take him out unless there are any new developments that are meaningful. If he turns up red then we take down Marshal and check into the other bandwagoners. I'm beginning to think Dr. is less scummy as this goes on and I really don't know what to make of Kav. He has good and helpful posts, to newer players like myself. Is being overly helpful suspicious? I guess. But I'm suspicious of everyone and everyone should be suspicious of everyone else as well. The key is to just not make rash decisions. Dr. H. and Kav both have support for them saying that they are good players and this might be a good reason not to lynch either of them just yet. I hope that wasn't too much rambling and I got my ideas out relatively clear. Ask any questions if you find flaws in my reasoning. repeating what you said is a great way to avoid saying anything new! Also look how he dosn't commit to anything at all, he basically says "I have no idea, I wont commit to anything, lol" yet in a wall of text +1 scumpoint + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2011 11:31 AirbladeOrange wrote: I thought you were going to tone it down Dr. H? And for the record I don't believe you to be scum anymore. I think you're just upfront and bitter. Fine by me as long as you are as good as people think you are at this game. an opinion, interesting, taking other players word about something, bad idea, still at least its an opinion + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2011 14:23 AirbladeOrange wrote: I'm fine with lynching M0nsterChef or OriginalName.. It's not that I necessarily believe them 100% to be mafia, but they seem to be not helping out the town effort much. Either way both seem like decent candidates. Kav I'm still unsure of as well, but at least he provided good, if not suspiciously thorough, analysis/strategies for newer players. list all the current suspects to be lynched, then dont commit to any of them you would prefer lynched, +2 scumpoints + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2011 14:31 AirbladeOrange wrote: Reds get desperate when they feel backed into a corner. let me restate an already made point! + Show Spoiler + On April 12 2011 01:54 AirbladeOrange wrote: I have only defended myself thus far. If anyone thinks I defended anyone else in a strong fashion they are mistaken. I want it to be clear that my top two suspicious people right now, as was yesterday as well, are M0nsterChef and OriginalName. I do, however, agree with redFF that if ON is red, we need to worry about Marshal. I think the case is the same with M0nsterChef just because he has barely posted and blindly voted for Marshal. I still believe Marshal to be town, as with Dr. H. There is nothing that I feel I can be certain of at this point so I prefer to play safe and try to find the easier plays first. Getting rid of experienced guys like Dr. H (who is under less and less pressure now), Marshal (suffering from an extreme backlash because he got too many votes), and Kav (who I don't really know what to make of but would not be good to lynch first). Marshal's situation is suspicious but not condemnable. I feel we should try to take out people who may be his pawns - OriginalName, N0nsterChef I say as things stand right now go for one of these two and keep an eye on Marshal. I'm still good with electing him mayor as long as we don't forget the suspicions we experienced with the voting. And coagulation - I have no idea what to make of this guy. I think he's just crazy. I think GM is suspicious, yet I'm ok with voting him as mayor... ok... +2 scumpoints for anti-town behavior, you don't try to elect someone you think is suspicious into the mayorhood, also way to state the obvious about the current pressure conditions + Show Spoiler + On April 12 2011 04:04 AirbladeOrange wrote: Do reds generally run multiple people for mayor/pardoner, or just throw all their support to one of them? generic newbie question, not a sign of anything + Show Spoiler + On April 12 2011 05:43 AirbladeOrange wrote: I don't recall hear much from you and would be interested in more of your analysis, reasonings, and examples. The more I think about it especially with this post, I believe there is a decent chance mafia is running multiple people. There is a big power struggle for mayor. I'm not really convinced any one the candidates are mafia, but maybe two of the major ones are mafia and are arguing with each other to further confuse us. Marshal and Dr. H both being mafia? I don't know how plausible that is but it could really throw us for a loop and is something we should keep in mind. I know I don't have sound examples for this but all the major candidates seem to be good players and it could easily throw newer players like myself off. I just wanted to let everyone know I'm trying to think about this and this is what's on my mind. odd theory that helps not at all + emphasizes how new he is , scummy + Show Spoiler + On April 12 2011 11:58 AirbladeOrange wrote: What does EBWODP mean? Also, Marshal where is this coming from? Why are you hating on me now? Make up your mind whether your going to have my lynched or not because if you are I don't want to vote for you anymore. How can I possibly be more redish than OrigionalName or M0nsterChef? the reaction I would expect out of any player, null-tell + Show Spoiler + On April 12 2011 13:46 AirbladeOrange wrote: I've been trying to publicly state my thoughts to everyone and keep everyone informed on my positions. Marshal, among others, has failed to answer my previous post where I ask what seems more scummy about myself compared to my top two picks of OriginalName and M0nsterChef. I really want to know if I should change my vote because time is almost up. a little too preoccupied about dying yet he fails to move his vote, something is off there, and that worries me + Show Spoiler + On April 12 2011 14:11 AirbladeOrange wrote: Is anyone besides Dr. H actually surprised? easy negative comment to make, if you aren't surprised then why did you fail to defend kav? letting someone you think is town is bad play + Show Spoiler + On April 12 2011 14:18 AirbladeOrange wrote: Obviously Dr. H's analysis was flawed but I still don't think he's mafia. I'm still suspicious of ON and M0nsterChef. Anyone else? still tunneling those two, still its an effort, so +1 town point, -1 town point for not actualy making a case + Show Spoiler + On April 13 2011 05:42 AirbladeOrange wrote: I have been advocating M0nsterChef as one of my main suspects for being red even before all the shitstorm about the mayor campaign. This is in response to being called out for blindly voting for GMarshal. He provides us with this extensive post of bold reasoning. A strong analysis over a strong leader? What does that even mean? Dr. H and GMarshal both appeared to be good analyzers as well as leaders. The rest of the post is just pointless blabble about the goal of the game and keeping the town united. Obvious fluffy stuff. And here is his second reply when GMarshal wanted a better explanation of his vote. Here is an apology and admitting to making a mistake. I think he is being real when he says he knows he made a mistake but again, the rest of his post is just throwing out relatively useless questions which many people have already been addressing. Here is the next useless post. He claims he explained why he voted for GMarshal, which I guess he did. I'm just not sure you can even call it an explanation. I don't know if this really points to anything but it should be noted that he is quite defensive. I take this as playing the noob card to the extreme. "Come on guys, stop picking on me." The rest of his posts were even more pointless than the ones I quotes. One of them being saying "dang" after Kav was found out to be green. Another was just a comment about the spamming in the tread. He only has 10 posts thus far in the game and has contributed even less than me. At least I'm trying and open to answering questions. All of his responses were the opposite of compelling. The reason I wanted to bring him up was the I was suspicious of him ever since the blind GMarshal vote. As the game goes on GM is looking more and more red. GM is even accusing me without any real analysis and has yet to ask me questions directly, which I am more than happy to address. But I guess my beef with GM will be left for another post later. I am always leery of people who look like scum from the very beginning and fail to ever help their own public image. With all that said I want everyone to be clear who are on my scummy list: M0nsterChef GMarshal OriginalName well its an attempt at analysis at least. I like how I only appear on his scumlist after others make a case on me where before I didn't even get mentioned, either sheep or taking advantage of the situation, one or the other + Show Spoiler + On April 13 2011 16:20 AirbladeOrange wrote: I'm not necessarily against lynching coagulation, but how is he definitely a better kill than M0nsterChef, OriginalName, or GMarshal? At first I didn't know what to make of Coag because he seemed all over the place. Now, after Protac's analysis I certainly agree he is very suspicious. But I'm just not convinced he is more dangerous than any of the other suspicious people. They all seem on the same level to me. let me summarize, I'm not going to commit to coag or any of my other suspects, I'm going to hope someone steps up and says "yes, lynch M0nster instead" so I dont actually have to take a stance + Show Spoiler + On April 14 2011 02:11 AirbladeOrange wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 14 2011 01:58 redFF wrote: We should lynch m0nsterChef. Let me tell you why. If you remember, his first contribution after the game started was to vote for GM in the voting thread. Voting without contribution was enough to warrant suspicion, but considering some of the other votes for GM: and Made him doubly suspicious to me without even posting. Now here is his reason for the vote Consider how DrH made lynching kav a huge part of his campaign, yet here there is no mention of DrH at all in this post. The rest of this post is pretty barren in content and high on recycling stuff already said, and obvious stuff e.g. Protact is not town, Protact cares about the assassin game etcetc. Now look at his next few posts in the thread. All him defending himself, no analysis like he said he would do in his post justifying voting for GM. No contribution at all. even throws in a little slip as to him and ON being together somehow. He hasn't mentioned ON before that, hasn't interacted with him throughout the whole thread either. Strange that the majority of his posts are him defending himself and he has nothing else to contribute. Well ok then...thanks. indeed. Decent point, I guess at least you acknowledge that you aren't contributing... ##Vote M0nsterChef Why we should not lynch coagulation. Think about it for a second. Why in christs name would a dt claim assassin? If protact was really dt, he could have just run for mayor normally, got voted in, and then said he was dt now he was protected. Im tired of protact claiming black, claiming blue and just serving up a bunch of fucking wifom and derailing the thread. We should concentrate on lynching scum. And the most certain scum lynch seems to be m0nsterChef. Since ON got replaced by LSB and LSB seems like a long time player. I'm guessing he could be valuable to town and we shouldn't lynch him today. If the most important thing to do is to lynch scum, I just can't see coag being scummier than the guys I have been suspicious of long before coag. GMarshal, OriginalName, and most importantly M0nsterChef. I just don't really trust protac that much. His analysis seems quite good but so do his manipulation skills. I feel safer sticking to my guns and going with the people I think have the higher chance of being mafia. Right now that is M0nsterChef. Nobody have actually made a convincing argument why coag, if mafia, is actually more dangerous to keep around for another day than any other scum. Furthermore, I thought I did a decent job of showing all of M0nsterChef's notable posts. I think it's strange Red went through and did the same kind of thing that I did and came to the same conclusion. Big post without really saying much. how is m0nster with 10 posts more dangerous than coag? At least he sticks to his guns and points at his analysis thoug, +2 town points Based on the day 1 stuff I'm tending [red]Scum[/red[ however if he continues to post and try to do analysis I might retract that belief, step it up AO! | ||
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GMarshal
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On April 14 2011 10:17 Protactinium wrote: Trying to derail the lynch. How cute. You’re going to have to make a bigger splash if you want to be successful though. The list is laughable: earlier you didn’t give an opinion on Coagulation other than maybe lynching him. But now that he's in the spotlight you turn around and ignore the whole Coagulation thing, offering over and over again to lynch an inctive instead. Inactive over scummy? Please… For everyone trying to discredit the Coagulation as scummy: Coagulation is not “unreadable”. Its fairly easy to differentiate when he is town and when he is mafia. As I stated in my analysis, one thing that has been strikingly absent from this game is Coagulation actively and fearlessly pointing out scum. Check out any prior game where Coagulation is town. He has no problems pointing out who he thinks is scum. On the other hand, in this game, he hasn’t accused any mafia with conviction. Yes, it is true that even as town, Coagulation doesn’t post any analysis. But that doesn’t stop him just saying “X is mafia”. Notice how that is not present in this game either. It doesn’t matter that he defended Kavdragon. Mafia know that information anyways, so it isn’t a big shocker. Coagulation isn’t acting like he normally does when he’s town. He viciously attacked my candidacy, which is a pro-mafia move. The timings of his posts are suspicious. Every one of his actions fit with mafia objectives. His defense of himself after my accusation is just terrible. His vet claim is laughable too. He said he could prove being vet. But that isn’t possible unless a vig shoots him. And how does he know there are any vets left? Obviously, he doesn’t. He’s just stalling for time. Notice how when everyone ignored his vet claim, he got even more desperate and asked for a DT check. Guess what, I already checked him! He’s obviously in a panic. Everyone trying to save him by suggesting that they wait until I flip first is just trying to stall for time. If you take a step back and think about it for a moment, Coagulation is clearly mafia. Everyone stop bickering and focus on the real issue at hand, which is the Coagulation lynch. Everything else can wait until tomorrow. I'm going to take a page out of Ace's book: You are now invisible to me assassin. I have no need to talk with people who don't share my wincondition and lie to achieve their ends. Have fun in hell tonight. | ||
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On April 14 2011 10:22 Jackal58 wrote: I don't thing half of them understand the concept of pressure. Either with votes or FoS in the thread. Hell jaminz and Mig might end up getting modkilled. I'm going to analyze them and see if I can't make them post, and I suggest you do the same. | ||
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GMarshal
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Flamewheel, what result, exactly did coag return? | ||
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I want the *exact* response he got. | ||
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On April 14 2011 10:44 Protactinium wrote: This is the most anti-town suggestion ever. A few posts back you stated that you wouldn't be surprised if Coagulation flipped red. You were elected on the premise that you could analyze behavior. You're in a position of leadership. Stop trying to avoid this discussion. If you can analyze, then analyze Coagulation and give me an honest opinion on his alignment. None of this wishy washy stuff. First, there's no reason to avoid this lynch. As I mentioned, Coagulation's veteran claim is absolutely bogus. A confirmed townie to rally around? Yeah right. This game has no PMs, so confirmed townies are near useless. Furthermore, it's Coagulation. I don't care if BrownBear confirms him. A confirmed Coagulation is worth zero. Regardless, your obstinateness is getting old. I won't waste my energy trying to convince you of anything. Its not like your vote matters. Answer my question. Now. | ||
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On April 13 2011 15:26 Protactinium wrote: Alright guys, now that night is over, I have another announcement to make. I checked Coagulation last night, and he is Mafia. you sir are not a DT, because that is not how DT's funcion in this game. DTs here return a role from which you must infer alignment. You didn't claim your check revealed coag to be a goon or a roleblocker, because you had no way of knowing that that is what you would get back as a dt, you didn't check coag last night because you are an assassin, hence you dont know if he is scum and if he is you dont know what role. Can we now as a town ignore the assassin? | ||
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On April 14 2011 11:02 Protactinium wrote: LSB is obviously trolling, and hence should be ignored. List of invisible posters: LSB ilovejonn GMarshal aidnai too late liar, I already nailed you to the wall. There's no squirming out of this one. | ||
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On April 14 2011 11:08 urashimakt wrote: The whole case that's been made, starting last night with DrH's evaluation, is that whether Prot is black or blue, he is banking on Coag being red. So whether Flamewheel has detected him as red or analyzed him as red, people are trusting in his need for Coagulation to be red. I don't see how this mindblowing tidbit changes anything. I am really starting to think that you are undoubtedly desperate. This info is useful to mafia because it would give them a better idea of whether he's black or blue, just to be sure. It proves absolutely nothing to town. Your case that he didn't want to tell you whether he was goon or roleblocker is not nearly as convincing as you think it is. The only reason I think we should consider not lynching Coag today is to lynch you instead and see what happens to Coag/FW during the night. you go on the invisible people list too, seriously, how the hell do you fail to see the relevance of this? flamewheel dosn't even know how the DTs work! Which means he is LYING! | ||
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On April 14 2011 11:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote: If you explain how exactly you know this then I am fully ready to abandon the coagulation lynch and do a new analysis. Read the description in the op very carefully. I'm not going to say more than that either way. | ||
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On April 14 2011 11:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote: It says reveal their "true profession". This does not necessarily imply that they will not get alignment. Well then I guess I have no choice but to claim. I'm a DT. I will *not* reveal who I checked as to not put them into any danger. I was hoping to keep this as a surprise to the scum in the lategame, but I'm not going to let the assassin get away with shit. | ||
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On April 14 2011 11:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote: No scum would do this to save coagulation of all people. My vote is off Coagulation. I did *not* check coagulation by the way, I'm just saying that flamewheels claim is utter bs. | ||
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On April 14 2011 11:40 kitaman27 wrote: I assume this means you did not find a scum/assassin day one? correct. if I had I would have made a concentrated effort for their lynch. My plan was to keep note of who were confirmed townies and reveal it in a situation that would be advantageous to the town. I still intend to do this, but now it won't come as a surprise to the scumteam, which was what I was hoping for. | ||
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GMarshal
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I consider this topic settled ura. I will not lynch anyone based on the words of a confirmed liar, no matter how silky they may be. | ||
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On April 14 2011 11:50 urashimakt wrote: I said you said you didn't say. I'm agreeing on that, I'm just saying that it's beside the point initially raised in favor of lynching Coag. In my mind the point raised against coag was "prot is a DT, he got back a check saying he is red, lynch coag!" As to his analysis I have no real reply because I can't read coag at all, I read his posts and wonder if he is drunk, and then move on with my life. I simply think that that analysis is going to be biased anyway because this is prots last night on earth. Again, all I want is to avoid a mislynch based on lies, I'm not going to vote for coag because his alignment, much like his thought processes are arcane mysteries to me. Thats why I was so happy that the possibility of shooting him with a vigi came along, it made that issue go away. | ||
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