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On March 24 2011 05:48 Jackal58 wrote: Worked out well for town in XXXVI. Kav got his name out before roles were assigned and we elected a townie as mayor. Was no scum bias at the time. If im mafia, I'll make everyone regret campaigning before the game starts. | ||
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On March 24 2011 07:35 GMarshal wrote: You may be right, I mean each post only has a 2% chance of you dying to a horrible mod-kill anyway. Oh, I'm going to guess that the number is 273. Am I right kita? I may be crazy, BUT IT JUST MIGHT BE A LOOONATIC UR LUKING FOR | ||
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LOL... for real annul? Like really? | ||
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There are currently 30 players remaining. There are currently 16 Townies remaining. There are currently 4 Police remaining. There are currently 6 Mafia remaining. There are currently 4 Third party remaining. Ok this is pretty simple. Barring extremes, a person in the police can claim freely and be elected mayor. Either mafia or third party would have to trade their entire squad to stop the police from doing this. Agree to this or not, it basically gives us a townie with a pre-set townie circle as mayor. So if you are a green townie it would be in your best interest to drop out of the race if this is to gain momentum. The extremes of course would be the game setup for-seeing this and giving scum and third party methods to circumvent this. 1) Infiltration. I have a really strong gut feeling that certain team members will have alternate win conditions. So police should decide amongst them who would be the best mayor and most likely town affiliated person. 2) ??? It's insane mafia, so this could backfire, but it beats me how. Any suggestions or criticisms are NECESSARY, because what the fuck do I know. Insane #1 raped me. | ||
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On March 24 2011 12:00 Coagulation wrote: insane mafia 1 was a terrible game for town. remember how i was mafia and i basically supported pandain 100% openly as possible and then got lynched flipped red and then town god knows how managed to confirm pandain as town and he then commences to rape everyone and walk away with mafia victory. good times. Maybe if you left me alive it wouldn't have been a terrible game | ||
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On March 24 2011 12:00 tnkted wrote: These are both extremely good points. I absolutely agree with the item game thing. One caveat about the cop thing: how do we know that person is really a cop and not a mafia pretending to be a cop? are cops told who the other cops are? On March 24 2011 12:02 LSB wrote: Yep. Everyone but townies are told who their allies are. And I have/will update the FAQ so check frequently! That sells it. Third and mafia would basically have to give up their entire team to counter a police claim. In which case it would be completely worth it. Anyone have any counter-points to this? | ||
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On March 24 2011 12:09 chaoser wrote: Wait bum, can you explain the blue plan to me? So a blue player will claim blue, get voted mayor? If it's a red/black then someone on the blue team can immediately call them out on it? in which case it becomes a 1 on 1 and that's good for town. Is that what you're saying? Exactly. I'm assuming role reveal of course. Thats confirmed right? | ||
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On March 24 2011 12:10 annul wrote: why would the reds and blacks need to give up their entire team to counter a blue claim? My thought process as well. A counter claim would only reveal that scum has no way to stop it to their knowledge, so I think we can bank on neither faction counter claiming. | ||
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On March 24 2011 12:14 tnkted wrote: Yeah, wait a minute. if a blue claims, then if a red or black claims as well, than we dont know who to trust because everybody will simply claim blue to cause confusion. Theres no way to confirm if a blue claiming or counterclaiming is actually blue without dts, which we don't have yet. The plan would have worked if bum was a blue and claimed right away, instead of pitching the idea. as it is however, we've had the chance to think about it, scum will just claim blue to confuse everyone. On the upside, however, the blue circle will have a confirmed red or black... so i guess the plan has its merits. I'm fairly certain the police force does not contain ALL the blues in the game. In fact, it would be too strong if most of the normal blue powers were dispersed among the non-police. | ||
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On March 24 2011 12:17 annul wrote: here is why you should vote for me we all have bad games. i have bad games. everyone has bad games. that said, if i am having a GOOD game, i completely fucking rape the opposition. there is probably just as much a chance that a mayor has a good game as a bad one, so let's give me the chance to have a good game this time and proceed to roll the fuck on the reds and blacks. i am just coming off of a good game and i feel the wheels still turning. And what if you are having a good game as scum? Then you will fucking rape the opposition? I'm not liking the my odds | ||
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On March 24 2011 12:20 tnkted wrote: actually, since each townie has a power, i think blue roles physically mean that they are the only blues in the game. i could be wrong i suppose. i was going by the color chart on page 1 anyway. I guess I'm use to looking at it the other way. Then you are very right. | ||
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On March 24 2011 12:32 Kavdragon wrote: Right, all caught up now. Kav mode: Engaging First order of business: COAG! WILL YOU BE MY BFF? Second order of business: Jackal, I had town select the vote day one when I was a blue mayor. It's not scummy. Yes, it makes it easier for scum to influence it, but the mayor needs to be very, very transparent so that the town can analyse him/her. Thus, letting the town weigh in on the lynch keeps the mayor honest. Yeah thank god you let town vote or I wouldn't have gotten to do all that fun stuff. But Kav is right in the end, though the first lynch is usually always a miss regardless of how good your scum-hunting is day 1. | ||
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1) I am the most confirmed you can get. If there is no counter-claim, I will be assuredly more town then anyone else. 2) I have a circle of 3 other townies. I've ruled out that we have a member with a different win-condition, since mafia has decent numbers already, and 3rd party is BP. Additionally, the numbers add up with how many are in each faction. 3) We have access to more then a circle. I won't disclose anymore until it's clear I am going to win. Personally, I have a lot of time to devote, and I have 4 times the man power of any other candidate. I believe that being elected as confirmed town mayor will not be the hard part, but rooting scum out and realizing their counters to me being mayor will demand effort. So I advise green townies in the race drop out and vote me, because I doubt you have more to offer. If you are mafia or third party, please stay in the race or counter claim to make my job easy. | ||
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On March 24 2011 13:02 annul wrote: you lie. you only are given your alignment, not a role in PM until day 1 begins. grats on being caught in a lie. mayor needs to be killing bumatlarge with his kill. So is this a counterclaim or are you making up bullshit? My team has been told what it can do, jsut like the mafia and the third faction have been told Im sure. Try again. | ||
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On March 24 2011 13:07 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: You guys are retarded. The town sucks at deciding things and they almost always fuck up the Day 1 lynch. Annul is the exception to the rule in this case. You guys should just let me do all the analysis and pick who to lynch. Either that, or give me 16 votes towards the day one lynch. I am cool either way. Remember last time you ran for mayor? And annul, if I am not blue, then a real blue can come out and counter claim me. If there is a reason why he would not, then enlighten me. My alignment PM gave me more then my alignment. That is all I will say until I am mayor. | ||
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On March 24 2011 13:17 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Last time I ran for mayor was in HP iirc. You all should of listened to me then too. Also bum, I will vote for you if you agree to kill whoever I tell you to. Deal. | ||
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On March 24 2011 13:24 Coagulation wrote: wait what if theres no counter claim to you bum because the blues just got a green townie PM like the rest of us? and the whole ROL gets to decide who gets lynched is complete garbage. what the fuck makes u think hes not mafia? Well there is a 2:1 chance he isn't, figured I'd just let him take the wheel and take a nap... + Show Spoiler + Of course I'm going to scrutinize what he does, but he is a good scumhunter. It's not like I'd be handing out role lists. I'm not saying I'll just win the game with RoL and everyone can go bone themselves. It was meant to be read as more of a joke, with some truth behind it | ||
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On March 24 2011 18:01 Rean wrote: Unless someone goes for the counter-claim, i'd say we can't go wrong electing Bum. Otherwise we're potentially giving away Mayor to a mafia, and that risk doesn't sound like one that we should be taking. If there is a blue out there not aligned to Bum: CLAIM. If he isn't really blue we've found a free first scum. Well I mean someone counter claiming doesn't automatically make me scum >_> they could be lying but I doubt mafia or third party has the balls. My balls should be getting cold, as they are hanging loosely from my open fly. They remain warm and filled with virility. | ||
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And yes, I will be putting lots of analysis together of course. | ||
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And I never slipped as town. I was obviously going to be the mayor candidate for our blue squad before I even mentioned it to town. The only thin I really want to prove now is my scum-hunting abilities, and we've generated a lot of discussion and nearly everyone has taken a stance on something. People I want to hear more from: darmousseh - was recently temp banned and re-reading thread. So when-ever he is ready. OriginalName - Said he's going to be inactive friday-staurday a bit, but he hasn't made up for that stretch yet. Kenpachi - Ran for mayor, hasn't said anything since then... lol annul - Very outspoken against me, but he isn't giving alternatives orgolove - He's going to be inactive as well, but he's basically mimicked annul, with no alternatives. kevconism - POST BRO GGQ - Kenpachi syndrome ilovejonn - opinions on things that are relevant please. Amberlight - good players shouldn't be silent BrownBear - Relevant posts, but you're an active poster usually, so I expect a stance too. Beneather - POOOOOSTTTT Insanious - opinions on what is relevant Eiii - post Well, I think everyone else has given acceptable thoughts on the issues. If you want to make life easy for me, put a @bum for anything directed at me and I will respond as soon as possible. I'll read through again and see if I can clear up more stuff like this garbage about me slipping? Point to the slip if it's obvious, otherwise don't take what I say out of context, that could go badly for you. I only said it would be fairly obvious I was blue because I brought up the plan and initiated it. I think I would have gone ahead with it anyway because my blue team was on board. | ||
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On March 25 2011 06:37 Tackster wrote: @Bum now you're saying that instead of giving RoL the lynch you're giving us the lynch?? The whole point of you being elected was a clear role that wouldn't by swayed by mafia. When you decide to lynch take your own scumhunting abilities into account and try not to let mafia influence you too much when you read the posts on who to lynch. DONT leave the lynch up to a town vote.... Then we're trading any point of you being clear with the mafia's ability to influence town. Just say you're gonna take our votes into account but make your own decision and reserve the right to shoot who you want. It's the pro-town thing to do! I'm not putting it up to vote, if that's what your thinking. I'm going to put forward a candidate, and I'd like RoL and Kav to put forward people as well before I do, and then I'll take what everyone says into account. I'm not going to let a townie be killed if I can help it. And mafia isn't going to sway this vote unless RoL or Kav are on the same non-town aligned scum team. Anyone who has a strong case against someone should put it forward, not just RoL and Kav. I think that should be clear. Then I will discuss the case with my circle and put forward our decision. Town can then agree or disagree with what we come up with. Mafia would have to be EXTREMELY outspoken to get any say this way, which is precisely what I want them to do. This makes my job easier, and it makes scumhunters' job easier. | ||
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On March 25 2011 06:49 orgolove wrote: There's still nothing that proves that bum is actually a blue as he claims to be. He could just as easily have a roleswitching/godfather role that is practically impossible to prove in a game such as this that has no reveal on death. I don't understand why you guys are blindly trusting his claim. We've been burned by the reds before... And I love how bum immediately puts me under his suspicion list because I'm not blindly sheeping like the rest of the town. Anyway. If push comes to shove, I'd rather support Kavdragon than you. Well I wanted you to post more on your alternatives. A green town with no role should be evenly focused on how I could not be a blue and what would be a better option. I think it's fairly obvious based on what I've read on your posts that you concentrate very hard on what could be wrong with my claim and not what we can do instead. I don't have a read on annul, he could be an townie playing devil's advocate, which is something I could use. You basically being a quieter version of annul doesn't help me think you are town. | ||
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On March 25 2011 07:11 GGQ wrote: You take that back! There's nothing to post right now. I offered to be mayor, but I don't think I'm the best choice, and apparently no one else does either, so there's nothing more to say about that. I'm staying caught up with the thread, but I'm waiting for roles to come out before making my mind up about anything. All I wanted to hear. ... but now you have Mr. Wiggles syndrome | ||
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On March 25 2011 07:16 orgolove wrote: Sorry, it's been a few months since my last game - will do so. Didn't think it was too different. I'm still hesitant to completely trust bum. Given the alternative, I'd rather believe Kav's skills than bum's oversight, as shown by his mistake in revealing his blue-ship so early. Where the fuck is this blue slip. Point to it. | ||
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On March 25 2011 09:56 annul wrote: several on town: bum claimed blue OMFG THAT MUST MEAN HE IS A CONFIRMED BLUE, give him mayor me: why u so dum? several on town: OMFG YOU MUST BE A SCUM Alright calm down, I understand your argument. So I'll try to give you what you want to hear, because I'm not sure lynching you is in our best interests. Item game - I've only got one thing to say to this. I don't know. I don't know what the item game will give us exactly, but I am sure it's strong. I don't know jack about who is what in the item game. I love your numbers on why red won't be hitting within the item game, and giving mayorship to a townie within the game will nearly guarantee us this item. I know there is a good shot at giving townie mayorship in the item game and the item with it. But I think you are centralizing on the "Powers" which both many people have warned us of doing. I can't concede to your plan knowing I've got a good shot at securing the mayoral spot, with a lot less doubt for town then usual. That's pretty big when town doesn't have to worry about this. But you don't agree that I'm necessarily a blue, which is why I took a while to work out how this could be faked before I claimed, and without roles, I don't believe it would be possible to fake-claim it without a counterclaim inevitably popping up. We will assume you are right for the sake of argument that your idea is superior. In that case, I would have to put a veteran as mayor, not a random item player. If there was a solid veteran in the item ranks with no scrutiny, I would consider it, but I would much rather someone I would know has experience to be mayor and not give a shit about power roles (Kav). It's an easy pick, I tried to go against Kav being picked where I was mafia and it doesn't work out if town realizes that the candidate has the potential to be a leader who can organize town properly. I hope to fill those shoes to the best of my abilities, so that the good scumhunters can be confident in my ability to use them and their analyses. It's either me or Kav, I won't be picking a random from the item game, and I can't vote for you annul, sorry. If you won't to promote jackal, that's another thing. And I am not important to keep alive if I don't get mayor, because I am not a power role to my knowledge. While losing me would lose their voice for now and I am a decent player, the blue team can function without me. If this truly was in my opinion a better option I would have no problem stepping down, but I think I have a very strong argument, and people in this game know I am capable of being an asset to town. That said, I still think I am by far our best option. I don't want anyone to vote for me out of desperation that I already claimed. I want people to vote for me because I can help win us the game. If you have anymore points or critiques, I will happily read them over. As I said, I don't feel comfortable having you as the first lynch, because what you are saying makes a lot of sense in regards to the item game, and it will be more of a stroke of luck to lynch you and find you are scum. I don't want to win by a stroke of luck. | ||
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On March 25 2011 10:34 annul wrote: few things 1. why would you support jackal over me? what do you see about him that you do not see in me? if your arguments FOR yourself are strong, why even entertain jackal over myself? 2. you like my math re: item game and you concede giving mayor to a green in item game means an amazing chance to win item game. you counter this by essentially saying that as mayor, you are in the role to lead town in scumhunting, so you should give a veteran mayor (you). why cant you still lead town in scumhunting without the bodyguard protection? the "mayor" role is ceremonial at best; if you want to be scumhunt leader, go for it. i just want the protection, not the leader role. i want the bodyguards. nothing is preventing you from leading town in scumhunting without the bodyguards. you say you are not a power role, but roles have not been given out at all, which is why i challenged you earlier when you said that the blues are "more than just a PM circle." ... but lets roll with this. if you are not important to keep alive, then doesnt that kill a ton of the case my detractors have with why we should save you over an IG player? 1) You think town in general doesn't think you are scum? I may not feel that way, because in the past what 4 games you have been mafia and I want to give you the benefit of the doubt and I don't mind having to deal with an aggressive player I know is smart. People are shouting your name for the first lynch, and if you get mayor, I think that will lead to the complete opposite of organized town. (I wouldn't like to think everyone arguing with you is scum, but if you feel that way, well that's your platform not mine ) 2) Yes. Organized town > Advantageous town. Of course this all relies on the item. If you have any information on the item that is stronger then having a public town leader with a town circle behind him who will rationally take everyone's opinions and analyses, I'm all ears. 3) Because mayor is a strong role to speak from. Why can't we just have a medic protecting the most innocent IG player? I would gladly prioritize you or the chosen person. And this is very maneuverable. If hits are stacked or some ability is used, or medics fail, we have more IG players. I think to assign permanent protection, we should give it to a person who has much more backup. I am a blue, and my circle knows I am a blue. I'll happily wait til the last second for a counterclaim, and I'm open to any methods that might be used by non-town to do what I am doing. 4) I'm not going to discuss this if I am not going to be mayor. But, I fully back the statement I made. I have access to more then a PM circle. I know scum will have methods to counter-act what I have access to, so I don't want that to be the center of my campaign. I wouldn't say it if I didn't have it. 5) We can most likely keep the IG player who we agree is town alive as long as we need to. They are replaceable if something fails. I think I am a bit harder to replace, as my circle benefits from our numbers, while your item game may not. This is completely ignoring the fact that 2 out of 6 IG players are scum, and no one on my circle is. As of right now, I think it's best to restate your idea clearly, so that if becoming mayor doesn't follow through, town will agree that your platform holds water. I think it does. | ||
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On March 25 2011 14:10 Kavdragon wrote: Ok, so: A few things we have learned: Town's number one enemy at this point is Annul. He has single handedly wasted over 100 posts on stupid arguments, and done a royal job of distracting the town. I will say it now: If I am elected mayor, I will lynch annul. Regardless of his alignment, his play is detrimental to the town. I'm sorry annul if this is your style, but it's not acceptable here. I'm entertaining the idea that he's scum again, and the scum team is so fed up with him, that they just said "Go throw fit in the thread and see how many people you can drag into the fight." Annul, you have some good points, but you have others that shouldn't have ever been brought up. The way you argue is ridiculous. I say this objectively, only looking at how your arguments are received. Above all arguments are made to convince people. You are failing at that, therefore your arguments are bad. This has already started in some respect, but people, please ignore Annul as much as you can. At this point arguing with him has proven fruitless, and it's only trashing the thread more. I'm going to call out my BFF coag, and plead that you keep the spam at a minimum. As far as elections go, I think we need to shelf the argument about Bum's alignment for a day. Let the blues out there take a bit of time, and then decide what to do. (I personally believe that he is Blue, but again, let's stop arguing about it, because time will show us more clearly than any argument would.) So what do we do if we ignore annul, and stop talking about bum for a day??? From what I can gather from pre-game info-gathering, town will almost certainly have more than the 1 KP from the lynch. To be clear, I believe there to be KP roles amongst the greens. (I have no proof, only an educated guess because this is Insane) On that topic, what are your thoughts on the direction (or lack there of) for these extra shots? + Show Spoiler [My opinions on the matter] + I think that the mayor should put together a que of people that should die. This list should be built with the town, but influenced by the circle of blues (assuming a bum mayor). This would give players with KP roles advice on who they might hit. Obviously the choice will be theirs, as it should be, but I think that building a list cannot hurt their decisions. Above all, it generates discussion on who wants who killed, which will give juicy information to the town. To further give solid opinions, a few people I want on that list include: Annul: Reasons stated above. Deconduo: General scummy feel (Obviously I need to explain this further, but I'll do that when i get the time.) iGrok: More scummy play, including apposition to clearly town plans, putting down of plans without putting forward alternatives, and fanning arguments. (More on this to follow) I agree with you points on annul, but I think he can bounce back. I don't feel it was that detrimental, considering the topic was the item game and mayoral talk. The only thing we ignored was the lynch decision. I feel both deconduo and iGrok were just following the annul conversation I felt they needed to give their opinions. I haven't felt the same way you do. Maybe that's just because they are supporting me. I think orgolove is a better choice. He mimicked annul in trying to put dirt on my claim without giving an alternative, which annul had (unfortunately for our readers). I'd like to hear more on dec and grok when you get the chance. | ||
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On March 25 2011 15:17 orgolove wrote: Except I did - note how I voted and supported Kav within my first few posts. So if you're elected mayor, you'll overlook scummy behavior as long as they support you? lol in that case I'll support you as well! Seriously. Are we really electing this guy who's shown such a clear instance of bias and "favoritism" for the mayorship? There's a better choice out there. When you're blindly supporting Kav? He hasn't posted any reasons on deconduo and I think iGrok's actions are perfectly explainable as town. I haven't much reason why these two are suspects, and until Kav gives his reasons or maybe you do (lol perish the thought), I don't feel they have shown much scuminess. | ||
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On March 25 2011 15:39 orgolove wrote: Blindly? I just trust his reasonable attitude and scumhunting abilities, both what he's showing right now and from previous experience, much more than your blue "slip" and power play gamble. Thanks to you, the entire first day has been wasted so far on debate of your alignment, when we have 30+ other players, 1/3rd of them of which are black or red. What we need is levelheaded analysis and not a hotheaded accusation just based on how someone doesn't support you. Like I am attacking annul right? You slunk in behind him and said exactly what he did. That isn't good town play. It seems like you just twist what he says. On March 25 2011 04:32 annul wrote: here is the problem with bum's plan if you are a red, you want to take down the blacks. you know that a blue's interests are split between killing red and black. not ONLY red. if you are a red, the only night harm you have is from the blacks (other than vig etc). so you have an incentive to wait. if bum is a red, then a real blue knows that the blue team (as empowered greens, essentially) has 4 players to take down 10. A ONE FOR ONE TRADE IS A BAD TRADE FOR A BLUE IN A GAME WITH 10 "SCUM" AND 20 NONSCUM. bum knows this. the black team cant know if bum is red or blue here (if he isnt black) and the red team cant know if bum is black or blue (if he isnt red). the existence of the second scum team makes this entire logic very different than it would otherwise be. the fact one scum team is bulletproof also fucks with the logic. it is not so ironclad that a lack of a CC means bum is a blue. that is all i am arguing. i am also arguing that bum got an alignment PM and not a role PM, so his claim that there is "more to the cops except a PM circle" is very very very suspicious. further, this could be a play to draw medic help knowing he is a red/black and he might as well just steal a medic. who knows. many ways that bum can not be honest here. all of the above can be added to the fact that i have proven earlier the logic behind giving mayor to an item game player. item game players are already going to be the first kill targets at night. we need to have the chance to give us as good a chance to win item game as the black team has. tl;dr not counterclaiming bum, but the fact no CC exists doesnt mean he is a blue, and in fact it makes logical sense for there to not be a CC. also, vote an item game player mayor, even if not me. but vote me <3 On March 25 2011 04:52 orgolove wrote: Sorry. I've been busy with trip preparations - I have to drive ~1000 miles back and forth this weekend, and need to do a checkup on my car etc etc. Anyway - How can we trust bum when he roleclaimed so early in the game? He's a great player - I don't think any decent actual blue would take the risk of revealing his role so early. He might actually be a black, trying to draw hits and confusing us with fake checks. I'm thinking of what happened with annul in.. I think it was salem mafia or something - where he did an early roleclaim as a godfather, and everyone believed him after a cop confirm. That was absolutely disastrous for us. There really is no logic for us to believe bum. These are a page apart. I don't think you said anything annul did not. Annul could say the scummiest thing on the planet, and if you say the same thing in a different way, I'm more inclined that you are mafia. | ||
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On March 25 2011 16:05 annul wrote: i was of the opinion that what TL lacked were strong townies willing to argue their point if they thought they were right. apparently its a policy lynch now? are you fucking kidding? what else would anyone be talking about on night 0 if not the mayoral elections? im sorry if you are too lazy to read 50 pages but thats on you, dont blame me for playing the game. this is why i play this way on early days: go big or go home. but you know what i DID do? i got fuuuucktons of people on the record in a huge, huge way in some cases. even if i didnt win the argument, my long term play won the day. but things change and i adapted. my play is fluid. i find it hilarious how kav, et al pretty much admit i am a town but they still want to get rid of me. warning sign much? we do not have many chances to take out the TEN scum in the game, you know. I have to admit I agree here. You may not like long threads but annul was giving valid points and it caused a lot of people to speak up. Unless annul did something more scummy then disagreeing that I am blue in INSANE MAFIA, then I don't really feel he's that great of a target. | ||
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1 - Present analyses, information and accusations. Behavior > information as of right now. 2 - I will discuss the most convincing arguments with my circle. We are all town here, so unless you want to insult my team's intelligence, I suggest you at least trust our opinion. 3 - We will present our verdict! Town of course can readdress anything, and after this lynch, will be the ultimate decision. The lynch candidates as of now: annul orgolove lemonwalrus iGrok deconduo Meapak has a nice analysis on annul, but maybe comment on his latest posts as well, I would like to see what you think of those. Kav put up iGrok and deconduo as potential scum, and I'd like to hear more on those. Hopefully when I come back I can organize this a little better. (Sorry annul, if my circle still thinks you are the best lynch, Im going to listen to them) | ||
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1) You want me to give you targets for certain things. I'll give suggestions of course, but saying "I need so-and-so checked immediately" is a huge no-no especially in insane mafia. I will give you lists of people I'd like to keep alive and people I am suspicious of, but if you have a power role and are town, I trust your decisions on what to do with it. I am here to be a voice to our town-aligned faction and to give our opinions on what town generates. I will not be the definitive word on how this game progresses. Only scum who want to take orders from me on how be as townie as possible want definiteness. I think both factions have accepted that I am going to be mayor and have already commenced working around it. 2) Item game people have a plan, should we listen to them even though they have a likelyhood of scuminess? YES! And do you want to know why? There are no blues in the item game, which means I know JACK SHIT about the item game. There are 4 townies in there, and I think the town is competent. It literally is a small mafia game inside this one. The best part? There are no scumbuddies. Black and red are on two different teams and the rest is town, which means everytime a IG player backs up another, I can be fairly certain that is the product of town. Scum's only influence on item game, it appears, is how well they can convince the others. Have you looked at who is in the item game? 1. Coagulation 2. darmousseh 3. Jackal58 4. annul 5. Tackster 6. Lemonwalrus Have you ever tried to pull a fast one on Coagulation, annul or jackal? FUCK NO YOU HAVENT, because they are paranoid as balls. And experience with darm tells me he can tell bullshit from bullshit. I dont know tack and LW as well, but from what I read the aren't stupid. I'm going to trust what they say together. Hopefully that gives a bulk of answers. I'll try to get individual questions now and make sure my team knows whats up. | ||
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On March 26 2011 13:00 LSB wrote: You may not discuss or hint what mod sent you the PM Yeah, uh, don't cheat. LSB made it very clear on what you can and can't talk about in the thread, at least to certain people. (OH GOD DONT HURT ME LSB) | ||
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On March 26 2011 13:07 LSB wrote: Just saying, I edited my previous post. You can talk about who sent you the PMs now. Of course, its useless. But as for breadcrumbing. No comment Clearly that is not popcorn in that bucket, it is really + Show Spoiler + | ||
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In fact, I'm sure of it. If determining mafia was as easy as that I would not be playing the game. | ||
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On March 26 2011 13:44 tnkted wrote: Um, I don't think I'm voting you for mayor anymore. I talked with LSB about this plan BEFORE I POSTED IT and he didn't have a problem with it at all. Kita did at first, but he talked to LSB and they gave me the go ahead. This plan wouldn't work at all if it wasn't for the item game, where we can be certain that there aren't any blues. So its not unfair at all IMO; its a tactical play that can only work in a certain place. LSB said it himself. Anything goes in this game, its insane mafia. And I want a mayor who wants to win, one who is willing to take any advantage he/she can get. But since you're likely to be elected anyway, I hope this little stunt helped you in some small way. If it helps at all, I consider annul, coag, lemonwalrus, and insanious all to be clean because of this plan, but I might be biased because I came up with it. Alright, if LSB thinks it's fair then go for it. But just be wary, if it is a method that let's you catch scum without scum being given the means to defend against it, it will fail. I can guarantee you that. I trust most of the IG players to be able to see this anyway, so I'd love to hear what you guys come up with. You seem to be heavily invested in this, so if it fails for some reason, You'll lose a lot of respect. Just throwing that out there. Guarantee RoL and Kav will agree with me. | ||
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On March 26 2011 13:56 Jackal58 wrote: I am. And I'm going to bed. I'm soon to post things Qatol has informed me are bad juju for mafia players. So rather than making an ass out of myself my drunken ass is going to go flame people on another forum where I can get away with it and finish my beer. Bum please consider my post and let me know whether I'm dead or not. If I killed you because you were drunk in mafia, I'd be a massive hypocrite. You probably should trust the other IG players if they think you are town. | ||
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On March 26 2011 11:23 Jackal58 wrote: #1 Bum lynch Tackster. Dunno if he's red or black but he is scum. On March 26 2011 12:11 Coagulation wrote: i agree 100% Tack needs to die That's two for tackster, and I couldn't find if annul, darm and LW had said this as well. If it's unanimous among them, then he's probably the strongest candidate. Since people in the IG have kept quiet about most things, I'll trust them just saying who is scum. Remember the logic here. 4 townies, 2 scum. Scum on opposing sides. With decent townie play, we should be able to make the outcome 100% town. | ||
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On March 26 2011 15:54 Kavdragon wrote: I kindof already did this, but I'm no longer running for mayor. I do not have the time that I thought I would have coming into this game, so while I still expect to contribute, I do not have the time needed to be Mayor. I've still not had the time to put together an analysis of iGrok, but I did manage to read his posts, and I can say that a preliminary glance tells me nothing. There are some stupid things, but I haven't found him hiding anything yet. (YET.) Deconduo will be my next object of scrutiny, followed by Meapak. By the way, I suggest Vigis of sorts read into Kav's analyses and see what matches your own. Kav, even if mafia, is scum-hunting. I'd advise against nailing someone in the IG. | ||
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On March 26 2011 16:17 chaoser wrote: So Bum, will Batman be making an appearance? You have no idea. Mafia should though. | ||
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Outside of the IG, I have to say tackster has been working his ass off to prove he is town, and in general has gotten much more defense. Personally, I hate the "Lynch me then and you will see I am town" argument. Do not blame your lack of townieness on me, thank you very much. People in the IG do not have long to live. Would it really be smart for tackster's scumbuddies to go all out in defending him when he is probably going to flip in the next day or so? The fact that jackal has gotten no defense makes it appear that way (strangely the only defense was 2 posts from orgolove and now hes back in the shadows ) So I do feel that tackster is town and jackal is not. However, I still stand by how I view the IG game to a degree. If tackster has done something so scummy that it nullifies everything that has been stated, I need to know what that is. Like-wise, if jackal has done something so protown, etc. i need to know. What I need right now is one target from each IG player. And give me town reads as well.I do NOT need two scum tells as people have pointed out repeatedly that scum will FoS whoever they can. | ||
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On March 27 2011 05:07 annul wrote: the majority (if not all other five?) of us agree that tackster is a fine kill for tonight. Alright, I just want confirmation on this from all. Even if two are scum, three of you who are town have a strong feeling that tackster is scum, even with what he has posted in the thread? | ||
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On March 27 2011 05:15 Coagulation wrote: darmousseh or tack What did I just tell you not to do lol? Ugh, I'm probably going to split it down the middle with what IG comes up with and what town is saying, because town has a lot of conviction with the Jackal VS tackster thing. | ||
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On March 27 2011 05:21 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Finally off from work for a day. Just wanted to ask the reasoning behind lynching from the item game? It seems kind of stupid statistically speaking. There is a 1/3 chance a player is anti town in both the item game and in the actual game. 1) Scum is on their own in the IG, no scumbuddies 2) 4 townies are guaranteed to be among them with PM rights, so they should have a large say in which among them gets lynched. 3) They are likely to be picked off at a faster pace then the rest of the town Thank you jackal, that is what I wanted to hear. | ||
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On March 27 2011 05:22 annul wrote: i would actually take out jackal first if it were me ;\ This is what I want to hear. No pussy shit here annul give me your TRUE CONVICTIONS. I'm assuming both tackster and jackal regardless of alignment want to stay alive so they should want the other killed. Tackster - Jackal Jackal - Tackster Annul - Jackal Coagulation - Tackster Lemon - Tack? Darm - Tack? Change it at anytime. My team is discussing this now. @insanious, I know they are in PM contact, but if we add weight to what the IG players say, defending in the IG game becomes genuine, or a scum tactic. I am leaning heavily against jackal as of right now, even if it's 2:4. I can't really ignore a unanimous decision, but since they are starting to seem a bit more unsure, or having better scum reads on others besides the main lynchees, then I will definitely take yours and everyone else's strong analyses for tackster and against jackal into account. | ||
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On March 27 2011 09:19 chaoser wrote: Also, Bum, can we get an update on what your circle is saying about the lynch? Day ends in 2 hours right? At this point I think I'd rather lynch Darm than Jackal/Tack. Will update after I review everything. Wow chaoser get out of my head. I had this typed up, but now I make sure to refresh the thread before I type shit. Ok, so the general town vibe thinks tackster is town. Jackal and coag have plans to confirm each other and annul is in on this as well considering he also pleaded to wait til day 2 before we lynched him. Lemon and coag have town vibes for one another. ... What about darm? I know only a few of you said he seemed scummy, but is he important to your plan? He's lurking much harder then jackal or tackster. Funnily enough, my team is deciding on whether it should be darm or annul for the lynch, not jackal or tackster lol... So I think my lynch candidate will be darm. Chaoser's thoughts would be nice. | ||
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On March 27 2011 10:32 darmousseh wrote: This really must be insane mafia. I've never seen so many posts before. There is so much back and forth going on it's pretty stupid. Behavioural posts are good, but I've never had much success trying to identify scum based on post behaviour alone. I'm going to say it right now. I have a role check item and I plan on using it and the only people who can stop me are scum. Simply defending is a bad idea since you don't gain any benefit from an item unless you use it. Everyone in the IG should either use their item or steal the person who they think is scum's item. There's so many posts regarding all the IG people including myself and I have no idea where to start rebutting. I think sticking to any plan bum has is probably a good idea since the worst thing town can do is second guess their decisions. This has caused many games to be won by mafia (mini mafia where i was town and people backstabbed me, and suicide mafia, where as scum i encouraged people to argue with each other followed by town blowing themself up). If we are going to lynch an IG player (which is probably the most optimal thing to do), then I think tack is fine for lynching, but I think we should role check jackal if possible (or vice versa). | ||
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On March 27 2011 11:45 Kenpachi wrote: is it safe to bet that the CEO is the 3rd party leader? I have reasons to believe that is the case. What darm said seems like an obvious joke to me, just like me giving RoL sole rights to the lynch. | ||
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On March 28 2011 02:59 BrownBear wrote: Hahahaha, for a second I thought that Barundar had the power of being able to edit his posts. Ok, so well done bum, I'm pretty sure that unless I missed something huge, there was no counter blue claim. I'm also reading through 50+ pages (was on a plane for most of yesterday), so cut me a little slack. I'll pick up the activity now that I'm home/out of midterms. Currently, I'm looking at Jackal cause his name's come up a bunch. I'm also reading through Insanious - his posting gives me a very bad vibe. Well, I am willing to cut you some slack because 1) I like you and believe you 2) You are hosting the next game, which I assume took a lot of effort to set up. 3) There seem to be bigger fish to fry. But I should let you know, my kill on darm was not because of what he said, it was mostly about what he didn't say. Hopefully that's a message to the lurkers. Because guess what lurkers? I have the power to absolutely destroy you and your name. People will look at your scum role reveal on death and go "Who was this noob? Oh someone bum fucked." You don't think I can? Well you know I can, more then any townie knows. So spill it. On March 28 2011 03:03 Ver wrote: If I was in this game I would've subbed out when it reached 86 posts in day 1. I read every word in this thread twice mother fucka. | ||
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On March 28 2011 03:34 tnkted wrote: Bum whats your scumlist look like atm? Or are you waiting for night to end? My scumlist looks like a christmas tree getting smashed against a rainbow. I think you are like an ultraviolet ray bouncing off a particularly gaudy-looking ornament. | ||
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2. Jackal58 - Def not off the hook, im expecting some results from the IG orgy they are having 3. OriginalName - Why hello there SCUM 4. Kenpachi - see above SCUM 5. deconduo - tricky, but he seems to be shadowing insanious? Id think he would be a bit more vocal as town, but he is capable of being vocal as scum 6. Kavdragon - You have to look at kav in the way he thinks his analysis will let him be viewed. If insanious becomes our lynch, Kav will get more vocal, I feel like he's testing the waters rather then being one with the water. Hummmmmmm 7. darmousseh Day 1 lynch Have no clue probably town 8. bumatlarge - Such a hard read, we should vig him to be safe 9. GMarshal - He's either back to his townie meta or gettin better at being scum. In no way do I think he's certain town. 10. Coagulation - Probably town :/ 11. orgolove - Lurking scum, dont even need town to waste a lynch on him, the other faction wll probably figure out a way to deal with him 12. chaoser - He stated my darm suspicion before I did. Give the guy a medal for good townie or even better scum. Im saying town for now 13. Meapak_Ziphh - See Kav, I feel like he's testing the water. 14. annul - town yawn 15. kevconsim - You are allowed to post more, because it seems like you're town but afraid people will misread you? Just state your opinions aggressively like every other jackass here. 16. Mr. Wiggles - Not really a water tester, but he definitely is careful about what he posts. 17. CubEdIn - similar to mr wiggles 18. GGQ - similar to cubedin maybe Im not registering their personalities or something 19. ilovejonn - I feel like he knows where he stands. He's intimidating which is unusual for someone I know little about 20. Amber[LighT] - Less of a water tester I feel, even if his posts seem similar to the others. The nature of them seems different 21. BrownBear - He's a busy bumblebee 22. Lemonwalrus - town or convincing scum, hes probably going to die soon anyway lol 23. Rean - I see him pop in not really like a water tester, almost like hes testing how hot his coffee is. Wish I had more from him. 24. tnkted - Man i had plans, but this guy seems to be kneedeep in the subject matter before I ever notice them. I'd feel bad about calling him scum, but stupid if i called him town. 25. Tackster - Is he really new? He came out with those defenses pretty handily, and I was swayed enough to hold my trigger finger. See insanious 26. Lanaia - I feel like this should be obvious town, but I never really know... its like he studied gmarshal's mannerisms or something. 27. iGrok - You are allowed to post more 28. Beneather - ^that in capital letters 29. Insanious - This seems complicated, as he boldly defended tackster, who could have likely died and been an easy link for every faction to kill or lynch, I dont understand hes reasoning as scum. As town, it's more explainable. Everyone talking about metas and shit my brain hurts ugh go complicate things while someone else is mayor. Tell ya what, if you want him or tackster lynched for this, I am all for it. If one flips scum there is a good chance the other will be as well and it was bad play on their part. If one is town, I see the other one as a solid townie that you can't really argue with. It might have something to do with their roles or situation, but the matter is not as black and white as people are making it out to be. I will try to go more into this, and see if I can improve the way I'm viewing this. 30. Eiii - I think I remember one post, and he put alot of thought into it? I DONT REMEMBER EXACTLY. YOU ANALYZE IT. This is insane mafia, if you find someone hiding something, it is probably important but it may not be a severe scumtell. Everyone is hiding something in this game. Im sitting on an arsenal of weapons and manpower that I haven't even begun to think about how im going to utilize for the rest of the game. Again, stating that I trust your instincts with what you choose to do as town. Oh and uh, dont kill cubedin pretty please mafia, thanks lol. It will look good on your resume. | ||
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On March 28 2011 04:22 Lanaia wrote: I was expecting more colours! I was also expecting more chaos because of your description of it. If I put colors in there, I would have had to use MS paint. Maybe I will | ||
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Well that's cool. I think I've got all my stuff figured out as well as I can, (which means not at all). Funny how I havent even given thoughts to my BGs, hope you guys live | ||
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On March 28 2011 11:21 Coagulation wrote: This confirms Tackster as scum 100% TACKSTER WAS THE VIGI SHOT TARGET LAST NIGHT SOMEONE BUSSED THE SHOT TO ANNUL Proven scum100% Easy lynch Shut the fuck up. I know for 100% certain that this coming straight from your ass because I know exactly why annul died, and it has absolutely nothing to do with tackster. Aw Gmarshal, would that I had known what I know now! I think I'll have more stuff later. | ||
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Coagulation in a way is right and wrong. Let me put this as safely as possible. I know now tackster was protected, thank you coagulation. I am fairly certain it wasn't a town aligned person who did so. I am also very aware of why annul was shot by mafia, and I can't really comment more on that other then he dug his own grave, and scum benefited. Now coagulation, you may continue with your rant on why tackster is scum, because he is. | ||
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On March 28 2011 11:56 Coagulation wrote: What my word isnt just my word ITS WHAT HAPPENED. I know that, but it will change my opinion from 85% to 100%. It has nothing to do with me not trusting you (but again what I get can change that) I need time to consult my chums. | ||
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While that makes no sense whatsoever since blues cant be in the item game. And of course he is not in my circle. He has to be the GodFather | ||
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I mean I agree with a lot of points made. Coagulation shot tack and he didnt die, and i dont see why town would protect him. I cant understand why LW would come back blue. good night | ||
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My DT: Checked Lemon, switched with me and came back as that. Makes perfect sense because that is my role. I believe that explains any FoS we could have had against him. He is no longer a suspect. I WAS NOT HIT LAST NIGHT Scum KP: Red's hit annul. Simple as that, I could explain it but then I would have to kill you. Black/red hit GMarshal and Kav. Kav is alive, GMarshal is dead. Coag KP: Used on tackster. Did not die. Bus already used, so he had to be protected. He clearly did not use his item, because coagulation says he did, which was the only item used, plus tackster should have claimed he used the item. IIRC, he never claimed a hit. If you want to live tackster you need to answer this post. Lemon is no longer a bigger suspect then you. | ||
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On March 29 2011 09:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote: But then why does it say that Annul got hit twice? Was that a joke? Right now, if annul got hit twice, you're proposing there was 5 KP last night, or else the Day post was misguiding. He was hit twice? That is interesting... but it still makes sense. Then Blacks hit annul as well. Kav and GM's hit might have come from somewhere else, or kav is lying. Perhaps coagulation's shot was aimed at Kav instead? | ||
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On March 29 2011 09:37 chaoser wrote: The KP are explained as 2 on annul - 1 from red, 1 from a redirected hit from Coag who wanted to hit Tack 1 on Kav - black/red 1 on GM - black/red That's 4 I must have misinterpreted... Coagulation did you tell darm that you had a gun? | ||
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:X my brain is fried. I meant tackster having the vest, but LW has had it the entire game? Sigh man, either way it doesn't matter about the vest because I was wrong about it. Is coagulation around? | ||
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On March 29 2011 09:42 Kavdragon wrote: Yeah, my guess at this point is that someone redirected Coag's shot into annul. Not a switch, but a redirection. Alright, I think it does do us some benefit though. Scum knew coag has a gun and redirected it, but KP was used on him before that. The two other KP were used on Kav and GM. Ok that makes sense... to a degree. Still, this puts tackster as more scummy then LW in my book. | ||
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On March 29 2011 09:44 Jackal58 wrote: Only scum hide their junk in bubbles. But seriously. I have put my neck out as far as it can go and bum comes up with a bs line from Top Gun. Sorry but I have some shit invested in this. Dont worry about it Im not gonna let you die if i can help it. | ||
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On March 29 2011 09:47 Jackal58 wrote: Just explain the Tackster is 100% scum and then the downgrading. Confusion in the ranks, I thought we had done something that we didnt actually do. If we did, tackster would be scum 100%. | ||
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My DT: Checked Lemon, switched with me and came back as that. Makes perfect sense because that is my role. I believe that explains any FoS we could have had against him. He is no longer a suspect. I WAS NOT HIT LAST NIGHT Scum KP: Scum hit annul. Simple as that, I could explain it but then I would have to kill you. Black/red hit GMarshal and Kav. Kav is alive, GMarshal is dead. Coag KP: Used on tackster, but it switched to annul. A bus already used. IIRC, he never claimed a hit. So, either coagulation really shot annul, or scum knew tackster would get shot and somehow redirected the shot at annul. IF A BUS WAS USED ON ANNUL AND TACK, THE OTHER SHOT WOULD HAVE KILLED TACKSTER. I think... Either coagulation is lying, or tackster had scum buddies in high places. Based on IG consensus where all but one is scum, coagulation is not scum and tackster is. They could be wrong, but I find it unlikely. | ||
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Well, looks like people aren't really using their items well. Only one person was able to use his item. Only problem is that he found himself in the wrong place. He stood over the dead body of Annul and wondered what happened. And why was there two bullets when he only loaded one in his gun? And what's up with all the blood smeared on him? That would mean LSB covering for Coag's lie. That doesn't make sense. Tack is the only reasonable choice to label as scum. | ||
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Tackster being the prime suspect and that coming out does not surprise me. I'll be putting my vote on tack for now. | ||
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If you don't think that I haven't pictured Kav as a solid black scum, then you are underestimating me. Reactions and general townie opinions have driven my vote. Have I done extensive analysis on anyone but darm yet? No. Have I clearly read the thread properly? Yes. It's funny because I know scum wouldn't call me out on not putting enough effort because I am right on course. Congrats decon! | ||
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And kav it isn't important to start defending yourself right now, we can discuss that later, because even if you might be black, it isn't as important since we know the red in the IG is close. And of course I remember that game kav... -_- Tackster, you are also quoting wrong references, at least form me. That KP list was flawed in regards to you and coagulation, I corrected it with some help from townies. | ||
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On March 30 2011 03:05 Tackster wrote: *sigh* Now that Bum says he can't confirm the color of the KP on annul this whole thing needs to be done again. Bum stop making mistakes goddamit!! Where did I say that? It's reasonable to assume it was red, but black would still benefit. People gave good reasons to why only red would shoot in the IG, so it's clear they tried someway, but black would as well, even if it was just to kill annul It's kinda fun not making sense. You guys should seen the plan I had cooked up to have one of my blues counter claim me, oh boy you guys would have been yelling at me so much. But alas, there is already enough on everyone's plate, that crucial discussion could not be wasted Amuse me some more tackster. | ||
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And now bum using his position as leader to make mistakes and then laugh in the face of them… Like I would need to mayor to do that lol Well if I told you I could probably salvage the outcome of the IG no matter what the lynch is tack? What would you say then? | ||
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On March 30 2011 04:57 Tackster wrote: If annul was shot by black instead of red we need to consider why. Oh I know - to hit the other red in the item game and not give red an advantage. But yea that's a terrible idea. Why bother trying to stop the only team that can't really kill you. Well I suppose if they can't kill you they'll do their best to out you!! Possibly with some ITEMS!! DONT CONSIDER WHY, DONT GO INTO IT I CANT TELL YOU I KNOW. JUST SHUT UP AND DIE. Geez darm went down nice and easy, his last post made me really consider switching but I trusted my instincts and my thought process. You are making an absurd amount of posts all gearing the conversation to you, when I don't really care! Coagulation is 100% town, and all scum powers were used. We just need to try to keep him or another townie alive. I'm not even that concerned about town getting the items, just as long as mafia don't get them. They won't. | ||
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You ever read that story "A piece string"? A poor dude picks up a piece of string, some guy thinks its a wallet he picks up and he spends the entire time ranting about how it wasn't a wallet it was really a piece of string. He raves about it so much no one can really believe him over a petty thing like that. Just cause he can't stomach people thinking he is a liar. While he is right, it doesn't do him any good. I feel bad. You've made me feel bad, you and deconduo. It's your first game or whatever and you really need to prove this so why not. It does not play a big role in my grand scheme of things, but it will help if we win it. Man im so bummed. Voting lemon walrus. | ||
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It's to the point where I dont care about his alignment, I dont have that much invested in it, and I like to make people happy. Que coagulation and jackal ripping me a new one. Two guys I think are pretty certain town. :/ | ||
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On March 30 2011 08:37 CubEdIn wrote: Coag, there's more to this than meets the eye. You may be trusting the wrong person. Unless you're scum, in which case, Bravo. Coagulation isn't scum bro. I'm just gonna do what I think is right. Did it with darm, and Im doing it here. Hope this lynch goes by quickly so we can get on to other things. | ||
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On March 30 2011 08:45 CubEdIn wrote: OK, TIME FOR THE CUBE!! *cue Eye of the Tiger* EPIC PLAN OF EPICNESS So, if you guys didn't figure it out yet, I'm blue. Yes, blue. Bum can vouch for me if needed, but if you guys didn't see it by now then you suck @ mafia lol. Don't worry though, the reds and blacks already knew this, because I slipped in another part of the game that's not open to the publique! (that's public in a language I just made up) So, here's the deal boys and girls: 1. We lynch Lemon now. 2. If he flips green, we (the blues) get rid of Tackster during the night. YES, WE CAN. (lol) The only issue here is, which townie do we want in the game? We risk either way, but I'd rather Tackster lives, as he seems to be much more active. Chances of this failing: yes, if Coag is mafia. So ask yourselves, is it worth risking to kill Tackster, or is it work risking to kill Lemon. Which was more pro-town? AS I SAID, THEY CAN BOTH DIE EITHER WAY. SCUM is not taking the IG. Unless we have Coag as red. In which case they were taking the IG anyway. What is this shit? + Show Spoiler + Yeah hes blue alright now i dont have to deal with this town shit | ||
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On March 30 2011 08:49 Insanious wrote: Can the blues kill tack with his bullet proof vest in the night? Or does it need to go bye bye? We have an answer for that. | ||
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On March 30 2011 08:51 Insanious wrote: just wanted to make sure, then it doesn't matter who dies. Although, this would mean that coag could shoot jackal, and blues could kill tack if lemon flips green... IT DOESNT MATTER THATS WHAT I SAID BUT DO PEOPLE LISTEN? NOOOOooooOOOO THEY NO BETTER THEN BUM WHOOP DE DOO BUM SUCKY MAYOR lololol Somebodies gonna die bitches. | ||
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On March 30 2011 09:08 Beneather wrote: ##Vote: Tackster ... I honestly thought he had been modkilled. | ||
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On March 30 2011 10:47 Kenpachi wrote: wait Lemon being in lead worries me. if LSB doesnt confirm that, im going to switch back to Tack... HAHAHA someone is getting a vig to the face. | ||
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On March 30 2011 10:58 LSB wrote: For the next few minutes please send messages to LSB Banking instead of LSB. Thank you lol scum activity: Obvious. | ||
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Salutes tackster the townie! | ||
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On March 30 2011 11:16 LSB wrote: Criminal Activity: Moderate XD Well let me throw together a list again? 1. RebirthOfLeGenD - Scum? 2. Jackal58 - Town 3. OriginalName -Town 4. Kenpachi - Scum 5. deconduo - Town 6. Kavdragon - Town 7. darmousseh Day 1 lynch 8. bumatlarge - Town 9. GMarshal Night 1 Kill 10. Coagulation - Town 11. orgolove - Scum 12. chaoser - Town 13. Meapak_Ziphh - Town? 14. annul Night 1 Kill 15. kevconsim - Town 16. Mr. Wiggles - Town 17. CubEdIn - Town 18. GGQ - Town? 19. ilovejonn - town? 20. Amber[LighT] - scum? 21. BrownBear - scum? 22. Lemonwalrus - Scum 23. Rean - Town 24. tnkted - Town 25. Tackster Day 2 lynch 26. Lanaia - Town 27. iGrok - Town? 28. Beneather - SCUM? 29. Insanious - SCUM? 30. Eiii - SCUM? Town is interchangeable with black at the moment. I'm willing to ignore their predicament to net a few red kills, as they are the immediate threat. I just threw this together off the vote list, and game knoqledge. | ||
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Coag and jackal are town. Lemon is scum. Simple as that. All powers were used night 1, so aside from framers and other more hidden actions, it's basically KP, mindcontrol and the vote things. Here is how I was thinking it should go down. Jackal steal from Lemon, coagualtion attempt to shoot him. A medic protect coagulation and tnkted switch jackal and someone deemed scum. This way we win item game, as mafia would have to redirect or protect lemon, and the most effecient way to do that is have coag shoot jackal. Jackal's bus buddy gets hit, and 2KP would have to be used on coag to kill him. Leaving jackal alive. Tnkted you need to use your non MC'd bus maneuver, or no one gets the items. I'm assuming you are town, because if you dont die and the other townies die, then mafia wins IG and you will die. Luckily mafia will have to focus on the IG while I completely fuck up their team. They better pray that they have about 4 DT covers and bulletproof vests tonight. I won't be going into detail about what my team will be doing, but it should be drastic. | ||
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On March 31 2011 06:43 ilovejonn wrote: I don't understand, so Coag's shot is going to shoot a random person tnkted chooses because of the bus. I'm not entirely sure tnkted is good enough to bus a scum out of thin air. wut read it again, jackal is getting bussed with Beneather/Eiii. I'd pick one among them. Coag shoots lemon. | ||
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johnnyboy, that's the most effecient move for mafia to make, not coag lol... | ||
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On March 31 2011 07:18 tnkted wrote: I understand what you are saying, but you should know: if you're going with this plan tonight, I will die. 100% certainty on that. I'm willing to do it, but you should be aware. Oh, and my plan will void roleblocks too so don't bother wasting any on me. This is assuming that this other person doesn't get back to me. | ||
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Bum Cube Coag Jackal People I think are most likely town? Id have to talk it over with cube, I think weve had different opinions on a lot of things, he was more on board lemon when I just wanted to lynch tack, so thank him for that :D | ||
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Town: Bum Cube Coag Jackal Eiii Perhaps we should discuss our night actions first? As soon as Lemon dies, town will get all the items, and since they are randomly distributed, we can get something else out of this. What if everyone claims what item they got? I know with MC around this is dangerous, but we can confirm townies, and fakeclaims will be put in the immediate spotlight. Assuming that is how the item game works. | ||
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On April 02 2011 05:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I don't know if it's a great idea to claim all the items, because this is like mass claiming blues in a normal game. Maybe I'm wrong though, but: Once the item game is over, if the player holding the item is killed, is the item given to another player, or is it destroyed for good? If town wins the item game, can we use all the items, just reread the Op and it said And if you win the item game, all the items will be given to your faction and you guys can use one of them per day! So we can't use all of them at night?I want to wait until these two questions are clarified before we move forward with any sort of plan. If we can only use one item per night, that drastically affects their usefulness, severely limiting the actions we can take with them, but also adding some nice WIFOM for scum not knowing which we'll use. Still, the cons outweigh the pros if we are limited to one per night. My first question refers to your mass-claim idea. If the items just get passed along in case of death, it might not be a bad idea to claim the items so that people can be held accountable and town can direct their actions. However, if the item is destroyed on death after the IG is over, then I think claiming would be a HORRIBLE idea. It will just give scum a sniping guide, especially as we are unsure of how many medics, if any, we have outside of the bandages. It just means scum can shoot the medic, the vig, and both DTs whenever they want and not have to worry about them anymore. So while it might be nice to know who has what, and to avoid fake-claims, if the items get destroyed, then they're useless. I'd rather have unknown town using the items, than known town dead with no possibility of item use. So like I said, I'm going to refrain from formulating an item-use plan until we know all the details for certain. But look how any targets we have. I have no more BGs, cube is my DT, and we have claimed persons all over. And if you have the gun or a DT, you wouldn't have to claim if no one else did. The vest is an instant confirm. I can only see it failing if mafia and blacks coordinate their kills against town. We are a little behind until lemon is lynched, and even then it would be better for red and blacks to take out obvious members later. | ||
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And what the shit I thought the arena thing was taken out? Like insanious should have been the easy pick there. God did anyone fill pandain in? | ||
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tnk, pick one on my confirmed list and switch with one of three candidates that you say publicly. This is important because I have a present during the night. | ||
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1) Bum 2) Cube 3) Coag IG obv 4) Jackal ^ 5) Eiii - Cube's handiwork, 99% confirmed I'm doing analysis on RoL/pandain, and it has some ties to orgolove, so if you leave him out. Also ON voted lemon? I wouldnt be so quick to condemn him. Here are all nonconfirmed and my brief overview. 1. RebirthOfLeGenD Pandain (replacement) - Well I'm not sure about pandain, but he obviously came into the game without reading, so he may be innocent in his ignorance. The biggest thing is RoL at some point (around page 50) saying the exact same thing I did about orgolove. After that orgo didn't reply to it. Town 3. OriginalName - Reading through his posts, I've got a pretty good feeling he is black. 4. Kenpachi - Kenpachi is rough pick, because he is incredibly useless to town (which seems weird because you can easily remedy that with an analysis on some no count poster and call them scum), but he is probably red 5. deconduo - Hope he's town 6. Kavdragon - black He's totally in his "LD" persona if you will. He certainly is helping town, but he's got a win condition so just let him do his thing. 11. orgolove - SCUM Easy. 13. Meapak_Ziphh Townblack? Well he's been really solid on his analyses, and kav compliments him openly. Leaning black because he seems to be trying really hard to avoid looking at kav. 15. kevconsim - I really dont know, wish he was worth the effort to analyze, im just gonna guess lazy town. 16. Mr. Wiggles - town Looking at his posts, I just see town. Proper analysis should be done though. I'd have taken his FBI thing seriously if he gave ANY thoughts on scum 18. GGQ - town? Do analysis! 19. ilovejonn - scum general consensus. 20. Amber[LighT] - scum Hopefully the GF, similar to meapak except with no analysis? maybe he did. 24. tnkted - townred? Although hes been very open with his plans to me, nothing has worked for the benefit of town so far. Im just hoping he has bad luck and is town. 26. Lanaia - town :D im ready for the mind fuckery though if this is scum. 29. Insanious - scum I was on the fence with him, he really did go balls out putting himself out there during the IG debacle, but that last minute vote on tackster is probably the scummiest thing I have seen this game. Well thats that, i didnt hold anything back. If tnk fails with his bus again put him on scum team. | ||
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Did I already say good luck town? | ||
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On November 01 2010 13:02 LSB wrote: After DocH's game, I kindof want to test this game out. 16 People + Show Spoiler + Code Blue An all out strategy game. With analysis Basics There are four teams. The Cash Lords The Men in Blue The Arms Dealers The Family Each team will have four members. They will know who is on the team. So everyone is part of an informed minority. There will be 48 hour days 24 hour nights. During the day a lynch is decided, in addition a team choose an item to manufacture. At the start of the night, each team receives all the items that were manufactured during the day, so four items total. However, if they don't have 4 members, they have to choose between the items, as they are only able to receive as much items as they have members. Items may be hoarded at the team hq, unless they are equipped. Once equipped, an item cannot be equipped to another person. Trading Items may be bought and sold during the day. ##Offer: Gun Price: Vest to offer a trade. To Accept ##Accept: LSB trade Vest for gun You may buy / sell your ability to vote (for the day). You may buy / sell air (to transfer ability to vote, ect). Items must be unequipped. You may bundle items together. The items Gun. (Needed to use other night actions, must be equipped to a player) Bullet Proof vest (+1 night life, stackable, must be equipped to a player) Bullet (kill, needs gun) Glue Bullet (roleblock, needs gun) 1-Time recorder (dt, alignment and items) Letter (send a PM to a specific person, I will handle the sending of the PM) Rubber Chicken (does nothing, townie) (Other items as I think of them) Other notes To win, a team must be the last one standing. If the game is to be expanded to 25 people, a new team (The Quiet Ones). Will be formed | ||
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TOWN VICTORY Little did the town know, everything was going according to plan for bum. His fake role reveals bought through the black market and convincing the blue team that he was actual the last blue, when the last blue was actually kavdragon. Bum switched them so well, that not even LSB noticed. Puddy in Bum's hands, the town found scum easily because Bum made it that way. He is justice, but he can never win. He must fight the eternal struggle of good and evil until the dawn of time. That is why you must hate me. | ||
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Who needs to prove anything to anyone when everyone believes you and you have the power to do what needs to be done? | ||
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It's insane mafia, and for its reputation, I think LSB and kitaman did a fantastic job setting everything up to make for an enjoyably insane game. I wouldn't read too much into the balance. | ||
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And people yelling at me are fucking stupid. If I wasn't mayor, Kav would be *town mayor* and you all would have fallen for his shit because he would have never gotten hit, darm wouldnt have died AT ALL, and nobody would have done anything about it. So say "Oh not voting bum mayor again" haha youre hilarious. Only person allowed to be angry is cube, because he could have sent actions in but I told him I would. | ||
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I perfectly understand why you are angry at LSB, I just don't think its appropriate to leave the game because of it, considering it's insane. Next time Im sure LSB will take all your advice. Dont make it such a big deal. | ||
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