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On March 28 2011 12:11 Jackal58 wrote:
annul gave up the game. We all used our items. I've been threatening a nightkill since I announced my plan. We can't steal an item and use an item at the same time. Town wouldn't steal. It was set up so if their was a theft it would be from me. Tack couldn't take a chance that I was lying. So he stole from me. Scum didn't want to take a chance that I was lying so they used a bus driver. Tack is about as 100% confirmed scum as you can get.
Seriously you and Coag need to write things out more clearly -_-
You said you had a gun and would probs use it on Tack. Tack wanted to steal the gun so you wouldn't shoot him. It was a lie and instead Coag had the gun. He shot Tack. Mafia didn't want to take chances so they bussed Tack.
Is that what you're saying?
If so, in that case, didn't Coag claim he had a stun gun or something way early in the thread? Didn't you claim you had a band aid?
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On March 28 2011 12:18 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 12:16 chaoser wrote:On March 28 2011 12:11 Jackal58 wrote:
annul gave up the game. We all used our items. I've been threatening a nightkill since I announced my plan. We can't steal an item and use an item at the same time. Town wouldn't steal. It was set up so if their was a theft it would be from me. Tack couldn't take a chance that I was lying. So he stole from me. Scum didn't want to take a chance that I was lying so they used a bus driver. Tack is about as 100% confirmed scum as you can get. Seriously you and Coag need to write things out more clearly -_- You said you had a gun and would probs use it on Tack. Tack wanted to steal the gun so you wouldn't shoot him. It was a lie and instead Coag had the gun. He shot Tack. Mafia didn't want to take chances so they bussed Tack. Is that what you're saying? If so, in that case, didn't Coag claim he had a stun gun or something way early in the thread? Didn't you claim you had a band aid? i lied about stun gun to make mafia think twice about hitting me.
So that's not your real item? Your real item is a legit gun?
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On March 28 2011 12:21 tnkted wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 12:18 Jackal58 wrote:On March 28 2011 12:15 tnkted wrote:
so... wait a minute. the post said that only one person got their item off. That means that lemon couldn't possibly have been able to use his item. So what happened to his item? he must have either stolen somebody elses or have had his vest stolen. That means that
1. jackals item was stolen
2. coag used his item.
3. darms item is RNG'd to one of you, and annuls is gone
4. Lemons must have either stolen or been stolen from.
When you read this: Lemon what happened to your item last night? He used it. Passive protection. He still has it. Coag still has his gun. It's not a fire and forget it's his unless somebody steals it from him. I have no idea how you came to conclusion #4 Show nested quote +Well, looks like people aren't really using their items well. Only one person was able to use his item. says right there that lemon wasn't able to use their item. Either that or the gun never went off.
It never says people aren't using their items. It says people aren't using them WELL. Using a vest when no one is shooting you isn't the best choice for you, you could be STEALING.
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On March 28 2011 12:24 tnkted wrote:Show nested quote +Well, looks like people aren't really using their items well. Only one person was able to use his item. ONLY ONE PERSON USED THEIR ITEM. Clear as day.
From: Lemonwalrus [ 4454 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: hey
Date: 3/28/11 12:21
I protected. It seemed like my only play...but I'm starting to think I should have stolen tack's shit. (it auto uses every night even if I protect it)
Original Message From Coagulation:
did u use your vest?
Only coag used. Lemon protected/defended.
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On March 28 2011 13:18 Amber[LighT] wrote:
I really don't like this bandwagoning that's going on. Yah it's really suspicious that your hit got swapped but it just seems too convenient. We're allowing the trigger happy coag run the show. Are we going to see a townie fall today because of your short-sighted analysis?
The only thing that could have gone wrong is if LW set Tack up. Either way, Town will win IG. If we lynch Tack and he's green, LW is mafia in which case we just medic protect one of Jackal and Coag and we lynch LW the next day.
Coag might be trigger happy but the plan makes sense and given that it's Jackal who thought it up, I'm not very surprised to say the least, he has a thing for gambits. Bum supports it as well and seems to be supporting the story that's coming out of Coag/Jackal so I'm going to be following that.
I've already looked at a lot of Tack's posts and though he's been posting, a lot of it has been either echoing what other people have said or has been arguing with annul. He posts big ass posts but they have little substance. I can post by post analysis if you want.
All the people saying it's convenient, that's a WIFOM argument and you know it. Unless things surface that will shed more light onto this situation and put a new spin on it, I'm going to believe Coag and Jackal and Bum.
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Logical Inconsistency:
If Tackster were Red, why would he both try to steal the item to prevent his death, AND Red would use their Bus on him? Surely one would have been sufficient to save him. This is primarily what is making me look more closely into what's happening rather than blindly accepting that Tack is scum.
They already mentioned this. It's Jackal. Mafia didn't want to take chances cause Jackal likes his gambits. They stole and also bussed Tackster just in cause. Also, mafia could have been afraid that someone else outside the game that was town would shoot into the game at Tackster.
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On March 28 2011 14:22 Kavdragon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 14:17 orgolove wrote:Ok. I keep confusing. The bodyguard died, not the mayor. Sorry. I still can't see a real black or red working so hard to get a pretty clear pro-townie being elected as mayor: On March 25 2011 05:00 Tackster wrote:
Mayoral Elections Recap: (In chronological order)
Tnkted [RETRACTED]
- Only person promising a 'free' vote (players decide n1 lynch)
GMarshal [RETRACTED]
- Reserves right to choose lynch
- Believes mafia/scum are heavily invested in getting the mayorship due to setup
Jackal [RETRACTED]
- Reserves right to choose lynch
Annul
- hasn't posted policy on d1 lynch
- poor listing of abilities
- claimed by several not to have good scumhunting
KavDragon
- hasn't posted policy on d1 lynch
- posting more about other people's campaigns then his own
GGQ
- hasn't posted policy on d1 lynch
- seems to have been forgotten about? Has posted since but reminded no one of his candidacy
BumAtLarge
- Offers to give his d1 lynch to RebirthOfLegends!!
- Claims Blue (Blue claim seems more due to logical motivation rather than a slip IMO)
RebirthOfLegend
- Reserves right to choose lynch
- Professes very strong scum hunting abilities
- Offers to stand down if there are no counter-claims to BumAtLarge alignment claim of blue
Kenpachi
- hasn't posted policy on d1 lynch
- Has mentioned his running twice but hasn't spoken of his abilities
On March 25 2011 05:01 Tackster wrote:
My analysis of the elections:
What do we need from our mayor?
The mayor lynches day 1. From many it has been made clear that as this lynch is a crapshoot it isn't terribly important who gets hit (Of course I care I just mean it doesn't carry much weight when you decide who is mayor).
For that reason the most important reason we try and stop a red/black alignment from getting the mayorship is longevity. We don't want to have to lynch his BGs to get at him. Because of this I have come to care less about the policy of d1 lynches in each campaign and more on whether or not they can scumhunt. This means I personally (and hopefully others) will worry about achieving a balance between paly experience and town telling when voting and NOT whether or not I have a say in the d1 lynch.
Outed Blue Candidate:
BumAtLarge has outed the fact that he is blue. What I don't understand is why people believe that we may end up with a 4-4 blue/black outing scenario. The way I see it a 50/50 lynch is an extremely pro-town opportunity. On that basis alone black should consider a blue cc. More to the point from towns POV the best thing to do is have a blue claim, wait for a cc and if it comes STOP THERE. We now have a 50/50 situation between 2 players and we don't need to vote either of them. I'm not going to bother explain why an uncced blue is clear so we then find that:
If a blue claims and there are no ccs he is clear.
If a blue claims and there are ccs NEITHER should be voted mayor.
Then our decision only becomes if the blue is cced do we want him as mayor. Personally I feel I would rather have a clear mayor with bad scumhunting abilities then a veteran played who is actually red/black.
I really want opinions on the above because I feel the fact I'm new might make that logic wrong. Tell me which you think is more important.
In BumAtLarges case I can see that while he doesn't have strong scum hunting skills (or so i hear) he could be clear. For me the decision is then probably made.
If a cc does turn up I would expect neither him nor his cc to be voted and instead someone else who meets the best balance on the veteran vs. townishness scale.
In fact in that situation I think the d1 lynch should probably be on the blue c.c.s.
Thats the end of my analysis rant. Next comes the voting so far... On March 25 2011 05:05 Tackster wrote:The information I have on the votes so far: + = semi-certain votes for
- = semi-certain votes againstAnnul: (+1,-1)RoL says annul 'doesn't suck' at voting Meapak says he has 0 scumhunting abilities Kav: (+1,0)Jackal states he will vote Kav GGQ: (0,0)No mentions Chaoser: (+1,-1)Meapak says he will vote Chaoser if he doesn't retract CubEdin is against a Chaoser vote Bum: (+6,-1)RoL will vote him in exchange for exclusive rights to his lynch iGrok is voting Bum Tntked is voting Bum KavDragon does not support Bum Meapak has Bum in his top 3 CubEdin supports Bum Brownbear supports Bum Coagulation opposes Bum RoL: (0,0)Meapak has RoL in his top 3 Ken: (0,0)No mentions Bum is in a clear lead here. Issues I personally have with any candidates/tactics are as follows: I feel Bum definitely cant give away his vote. The entire point behind voting a blue is having a stronger lynch chance d1 due to being clear and knowing the other blues. Even if giving the vote away means a stronger scum hunter would use it there is no way of knowing which alignment RoL is. If this were Epic Mafia I would be seriously worried about RoL for offering this trade as it seems against town. However things in forum mafia may be a bit different. Chaoser made an interesting point which started a debate on whether to pick our mayor from the mini-game or not. The chances of picking mafia in the mini game are 33%. The chances of picking a mafia when the mini-game is excluded is 33%. The chances of picking mafia from the entire role of players is 33%. These numbers don't do us any favors. Seeing as having a clear from the mini-game is impossible, as there are no blues, I would urge this strategy not be employed. (Someone check my maths, but i'm pretty sure i'm right) Chaoser mentioned he would sheep town on the mayoral vote - I personally cannot support a mayor that would leave anything up to chance, even an election. Meapak mentioned that mafia 100% knows who town is: Jackal is a little enigmatic to me. While I feel he's been pretty protown so far, Coag's insta confirm of him has me really suspicious. tbh I'm more suspicious of Coag because only the mafia know 100% who is town. Perhaps I'm taking his view out of context but this seems to be wrong on several levels: #1 Mafia know who isn't mafia, not who is town #2 Surely the third party (seemingly a second mafia) would also 'know' town. #3 Meapak may misunderstand the tactics mafia will use in this game Also Meapak has asserted he wishes to vote Chaoser but will vote Bum if Chaoser retracts. This implies he thinks Bum is clear (if uncced) but wishes to go for an uncertainty anyway (i.e. tunneling the mayoral vote). Surely in this situation logic dictates his vote be changed to Bum and not be dependent on whether Chaoser stands? Misreading and misvoting - 2 attributes I don't want to see in the mayorLastly - and I apologize to my roomate for this (  ): Jackal voted almost midway during night 0. I think LSB made it clear that vote didn't count but it was still made. Deconduo offered an official and serious FOS so soon into the game… Guys inform me if it's normal to behave that way or if in fact it's rushing it a bit... These are really intense, high information posts that I can't believe would come from a red or black. They'd have happily wanted the argument between whether to trust bum or not, but he tried to clarify all this. Especially considering how he repeatedly said he's a mafia newb... I'm really hesitant about voting for him... Let me get this straight: You haven't read the thread well enough to understand that Bum is our mayor, not Annul, and that GMarshal the BG died, not the mayor. Yet you are coming back from your hiatus to defend someone? Why start posting now, and why start defending someone who you clearly can't have read enough about to understand?
Not to mention all the stuff he says has been said before. Either by me or by tons of other people who were talking about the election why before he did. He adds a cute little list in the front, which mafia like to do under the guise of "organizing info" which gives us no new info. He doesn't do a single piece of analysis on anyone in the game till Jackal comes out and says TACK YOU IS MAFIA! after which he gets into an argument with them.
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EBWOP: Not to mention all the stuff he says has been said before. Either by me or by tons of other people who were talking about the election way before he did.
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On March 28 2011 14:30 orgolove wrote:
I'm going off of last reasonable information I remember. I have not yet had a chance to read over the other 50 pages of posts, but still want to contribute.
I'm just bringing into discussion the fact that he so strongly supported the clear blue even before most of the town was for him, and further made a lot of high information posts - all pretty strong contra-indicators of scum.
WTF...who does that...that's like saying I don't play this game. But I'll try to contribute. Townie would never want to contribute without knowing the full details, much less say they don't know the full details but want to make sense of things. How the fuck do you make sense of things without knowing what things are in the first place?
Also, in regards to the "he so strongly supported the clear blue":
1) Coag's post about bum being pretty much confirmed blue.
2)Not to mention all the stuff he says has been said before. Either by me or by tons of other people who were talking about the election why before he did. He adds a cute little list in the front, which mafia like to do under the guise of "organizing info" which gives us no new info. He doesn't do a single piece of analysis on anyone in the game till Jackal comes out and says TACK YOU IS MAFIA! after which he gets into an argument with them.
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By jackals argument if I was green should I have let myself get shot or something? What would any other green do in my position?
Yes. You would want to get shot. Why? Cause if you flipped green, it'd be 1/4 chances of catching mafia in the item game. Since annul got shot, it would be 1/3 chance. You not dying made today be about you v Jackal again. If you had died, it would have been Jackal on the chopping block since it was his plan. Or we start looking at LW. If I was in your situation, I would have used my item to check Jackal or maybe LW, not steal some shit. Townies don't care much for living, only that they can somehow help town win.
2. No one is confirmed
No one is ever confirmed unless they're dead. There's no such thing as confirmation of alignment, even DTs can be insane and give wrong reads. The fact of the matter is, Jackal came out and FoS-ed you. His actions compared to your actions, in my head, shows that he is more town then you are. His plan makes sense while you haven't done a single thing for town. Your posts have been basically copies of other people's posts, and until Jackal FoSed you, you didn't give a single FoS or analysis of anyone else. You merely defended Bum's blueness, you didn't even call out annul as scum.
Why would I bus to annul? Annul claimed he was out of the game and outed his item power which affects me NOT AT ALL.
Annul was pretty much going to be read as town. RoL's stupid little gambit worked and annul's reaction was that of a town thinking he was dead, not of mafia. Mafia take things to the grave on the off chance something they said gives shit away, townies don't. That being said, it's better to get rid of a green that everyone knows is a green and then try to argue against someone who is less "confirmed" like Jackal.
4. Jackal can easily be mafia.
5. The IG is in grave peril
So making the assumption I'm green:
- I get lynched and flip green
- scum use their 2 KP to kill the other greens
- Red is last one standing and therefore red team get the items
Not true and a contradiction, if anything, I feel like IG is going to be won by town if both statements are true. It's just whether we have three confirmed townies or one. If you are green, you get lynched, it's 1 red, 2 green. We got medics, LW got a vest. If Jackal really is red like you said, then all we have to do is chill out, and tell LW to protect. It's a passive vest that makes him bullet proof. Mafia can't shoot into that shit. Black is lynched so he can't be black. Next day, we lynch Jackal. BOOM. Town wins IG.
Do I win a prize? Bum, can I get some Batman lovin'?
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4. Jackal can easily be mafia.
5. The IG is in grave peril
So making the assumption I'm green:
- I get lynched and flip green
- scum use their 2 KP to kill the other greens
- Red is last one standing and therefore red team get the items
I meant to say that the two statements 4 and 5 are contradictions and can't both happen. If Jackal is Red then Town wins IG. If game is in peril then Jackal isn't Red.
You are green - Jackal is Red - You get lynched:
LW - Jackal - Coag left. LW got a vest. We got medics. Mafia wouldn't know who to bus, who to roleblock, who to hit. At most 1 of them will die since to kill any one of them you have to factor in medic and vest. Next day, we lynch Jackal. Town wins the IG.
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On March 28 2011 15:11 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Coagulation, I think you are wrong about being the town KP. I think the town must have some other sort of KP independent of you. The IG is meant to reward whichever faction can win it, it doesn't make sense to shove the town's KP into the IG and put it up for grabs without the reds/blacks putting anything else up.
I saw a few other things I wanted to comment on, but I forgot what they were while I was playing diplomacy.
You are so useless...I hope you fail at diplomacy and get three way raped <3
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Now I admit it's possible that coagulation or lemon are scum. However for coag to shoot the person and bus himself is too alien to consider. For Lemon to be planning all this in his first game is possible given he has a PM circle - but seems unlikely.
You obviously haven't read my post properly. I said a better bus would be to lemon. You havent mentioned why that is wrong
Both are unlikely to you in the JACKAL MIGHT BE RED POST.
Your post pretty much says that you think JACKAL is red. In that case, we got item game won since point number 5, which is you trying to scare people into not voting for you, is wrong. SEE! WE GOTS IT YO!
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This is a matter of opinion. Feeling we lynch a town tonight is acceptable doesn't mean you should gamble with the vote anyway. Use some logic maybe?
Nah son, it's straight up fact. Just like how there's a difference between loose and lose. That shit is grammar. That is a fact. Droppin' KNOWLEDGE!!
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On March 28 2011 15:26 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +This is a matter of opinion. Feeling we lynch a town tonight is acceptable doesn't mean you should gamble with the vote anyway. Use some logic maybe? Nah son, it's straight up fact. Just like how there's a difference between loose and lose. That shit is grammar. That is a fact. Droppin' KNOWLEDGE!!
Completely off topic but
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My friends are fucking douches
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So you're entire point there was rather than check any points I made just go with
If we lynch tack maybe he's mafia
If not we can gamble to hopefully win the IG
I should just not try and defend myself and agree to gamble the IG away?
WRONG! It's not a gamble. If Jackal is red, like you think he is, then town wins the IG.
The Two hits are LW and Coag for Mafia. They have two KP. We got a vest and lets say 2 medics (standard amount).
1 medic on Coag, 1 medic on LW. There's nothing mafia can do. At the most, they'll kill 1 town.
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On March 28 2011 16:05 Tackster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 16:03 chaoser wrote:So you're entire point there was rather than check any points I made just go with
If we lynch tack maybe he's mafia
If not we can gamble to hopefully win the IG
I should just not try and defend myself and agree to gamble the IG away? WRONG! It's not a gamble. If Jackal is red, like you think he is, then town wins the IG. The Two hits are LW and Coag for Mafia. They have two KP. We got a vest and lets say 2 medics (standard amount). 1 medic on Coag, 1 medic on LW. There's nothing mafia can do. At the most, they'll kill 1 town. Ok this game consists of mechanics we dont know about yes? so: framers nerfers drivers etc. + everything we don't know about Lemons vest is useless as it can be stolen. And there's always the chance that Coag or Lemon are scum... That isn't even close to auto-win
Vest can't be stolen since it's a passive ability and all LW needs to do is protect.
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LSB, if someone were to frame someone else and then they got DT checked, what would the result come back as?
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On March 28 2011 17:29 Coagulation wrote:
A black probably did it in hopes that Red would shoot lemon
what...that doesn't even make sense...reds know there's no blues in IG too...
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On March 28 2011 17:30 Coagulation wrote:
bum did you even stop to consider that he could be targeted for a role reversal?
I don't think role reversal works that way...
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