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On March 24 2011 11:40 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 11:36 GMarshal wrote:On March 24 2011 11:31 Jackal58 wrote:On March 24 2011 11:24 GMarshal wrote:On March 24 2011 11:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
So, something I want to ask candidates at the moment, is how will you act specifically in your role as the mayor? I'm not talking about your play style, or pro-town things you can do anyways, but what abilities do you possess that we should elect you and give you the power and survivability of the mayor? Well, not counting anything else, theres the fact that I will be doing constant, active analysis, weather sucessful or unsucessful remains to be seen, but I'll be constantly stirring the hornets nest to keep scum from lurking, obviously if I'm dead then thats going to put a hamper in my lynch all lurkers plan. I'd actualy be more than happy to have a better scumhunter in this position, if I were sure he was town, at the moment the only person I can know with any certanty is town is my, so I'd rather deny the scum or third party the ability to require two townies to DIE before they can be night killed Mayor is much more susceptible to lynching than night kills. Only scum would bring up being night killed. Are you forgeting the fact that there are TWO factions in play, scum is going to be gunning for the third party and the third party is going to be gunning for scum because enemy night kills cannot be as easaly manipulated as town lynches can, this is why scum is going to be 100% guaranteed to be gunning for the mayorship, as is the third party, if the scum team can grab the mayorship they can be slightly less worried about the third party and if the third party grabs it they can be slightly less worried about mafia. That means they have more freedom to go after troublesome townies. Did I honestly need to explain that? Also the free day 1 lynch is a delicious treat for either group No sir not at all. But scum is the one faction that will be organized. I intend to disorganize them.
Wait, what? I'm assuming that the third party all work together like a mini scum team, so why would they not be organized? Did I miss something? or do you know something I dont?
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On March 24 2011 11:40 tnkted wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 11:37 chaoser wrote:
His three reasons are in-jokes tnkted, GM didn't do so well last game, that's all.
1. I'm a noobie. This means that i am absolutely not a threat to anyone, and am therefore a prime target for early mafia kills. I could use the human shields!
Actually noobies usually don't get NKed till late game cause mafia obviously wants to kill all the vets. Well, forgive my inexperience, but doesn't the very fact that the vets are such juicy targets make killing them seem very suspicious? If you have a vet thats doing some dangerous theorizing, wouldn't killing him be exactly the wrong thing to do as mafia? it would validate his theory. Instead, the smart move for that mafia would be to kill a noob or some other target.
That's called wifom Mr Psych major.
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if you let a vet live long enough to do "dangerous theorizing" hes gonna kill the mafia team
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Alright, I'll defer to traditional wisdom on the vet thing. My candidacy still stands however. I still want the job.
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On March 24 2011 11:40 tnkted wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 11:37 chaoser wrote:
His three reasons are in-jokes tnkted, GM didn't do so well last game, that's all.
1. I'm a noobie. This means that i am absolutely not a threat to anyone, and am therefore a prime target for early mafia kills. I could use the human shields!
Actually noobies usually don't get NKed till late game cause mafia obviously wants to kill all the vets. Well, forgive my inexperience, but doesn't the very fact that the vets are such juicy targets make killing them seem very suspicious? If you have a vet thats doing some dangerous theorizing, wouldn't killing him be exactly the wrong thing to do as mafia? it would validate his theory. Instead, the smart move for that mafia would be to kill a noob or some other target.
Please go back and read the analysis on XXXVII, basicaly scum has to kill vets so they don't get raped by analysis and strong thread presence, thus they are the ideal target, noobs are much more likely to sheep and thus are fine to keep around. If you have time read XXXVII, it will explain alot
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On March 24 2011 11:42 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 11:40 tnkted wrote:On March 24 2011 11:37 chaoser wrote:
His three reasons are in-jokes tnkted, GM didn't do so well last game, that's all.
1. I'm a noobie. This means that i am absolutely not a threat to anyone, and am therefore a prime target for early mafia kills. I could use the human shields!
Actually noobies usually don't get NKed till late game cause mafia obviously wants to kill all the vets. Well, forgive my inexperience, but doesn't the very fact that the vets are such juicy targets make killing them seem very suspicious? If you have a vet thats doing some dangerous theorizing, wouldn't killing him be exactly the wrong thing to do as mafia? it would validate his theory. Instead, the smart move for that mafia would be to kill a noob or some other target. That's called wifom Mr Psych major.
Minor, actually. I'm an English major, going to law school.
Which, since you seem to be so interested in generalizing people negatively, means i get laid waaaaaay more often then you. 
and... you're right about wifom, i just googled it. My bad.
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On March 24 2011 11:42 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 11:40 Jackal58 wrote:On March 24 2011 11:36 GMarshal wrote:On March 24 2011 11:31 Jackal58 wrote:On March 24 2011 11:24 GMarshal wrote:On March 24 2011 11:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
So, something I want to ask candidates at the moment, is how will you act specifically in your role as the mayor? I'm not talking about your play style, or pro-town things you can do anyways, but what abilities do you possess that we should elect you and give you the power and survivability of the mayor? Well, not counting anything else, theres the fact that I will be doing constant, active analysis, weather sucessful or unsucessful remains to be seen, but I'll be constantly stirring the hornets nest to keep scum from lurking, obviously if I'm dead then thats going to put a hamper in my lynch all lurkers plan. I'd actualy be more than happy to have a better scumhunter in this position, if I were sure he was town, at the moment the only person I can know with any certanty is town is my, so I'd rather deny the scum or third party the ability to require two townies to DIE before they can be night killed Mayor is much more susceptible to lynching than night kills. Only scum would bring up being night killed. Are you forgeting the fact that there are TWO factions in play, scum is going to be gunning for the third party and the third party is going to be gunning for scum because enemy night kills cannot be as easaly manipulated as town lynches can, this is why scum is going to be 100% guaranteed to be gunning for the mayorship, as is the third party, if the scum team can grab the mayorship they can be slightly less worried about the third party and if the third party grabs it they can be slightly less worried about mafia. That means they have more freedom to go after troublesome townies. Did I honestly need to explain that? Also the free day 1 lynch is a delicious treat for either group No sir not at all. But scum is the one faction that will be organized. I intend to disorganize them. Wait, what? I'm assuming that the third party all work together like a mini scum team, so why would they not be organized? Did I miss something? or do you know something I dont?
I may have made the exact opposite assumption you did.
If the black team is sk types then I don't see them cooperating.
If the black team is a second mafia family you are correct.
I don't know which they are. I assumed sk types.
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On March 24 2011 11:42 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 11:40 Jackal58 wrote:On March 24 2011 11:36 GMarshal wrote:On March 24 2011 11:31 Jackal58 wrote:On March 24 2011 11:24 GMarshal wrote:On March 24 2011 11:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
So, something I want to ask candidates at the moment, is how will you act specifically in your role as the mayor? I'm not talking about your play style, or pro-town things you can do anyways, but what abilities do you possess that we should elect you and give you the power and survivability of the mayor? Well, not counting anything else, theres the fact that I will be doing constant, active analysis, weather sucessful or unsucessful remains to be seen, but I'll be constantly stirring the hornets nest to keep scum from lurking, obviously if I'm dead then thats going to put a hamper in my lynch all lurkers plan. I'd actualy be more than happy to have a better scumhunter in this position, if I were sure he was town, at the moment the only person I can know with any certanty is town is my, so I'd rather deny the scum or third party the ability to require two townies to DIE before they can be night killed Mayor is much more susceptible to lynching than night kills. Only scum would bring up being night killed. Are you forgeting the fact that there are TWO factions in play, scum is going to be gunning for the third party and the third party is going to be gunning for scum because enemy night kills cannot be as easaly manipulated as town lynches can, this is why scum is going to be 100% guaranteed to be gunning for the mayorship, as is the third party, if the scum team can grab the mayorship they can be slightly less worried about the third party and if the third party grabs it they can be slightly less worried about mafia. That means they have more freedom to go after troublesome townies. Did I honestly need to explain that? Also the free day 1 lynch is a delicious treat for either group No sir not at all. But scum is the one faction that will be organized. I intend to disorganize them. Wait, what? I'm assuming that the third party all work together like a mini scum team, so why would they not be organized? Did I miss something? or do you know something I dont?
if anything him not knowing about a second faction pretty much confirms him as town.
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On March 24 2011 11:45 tnkted wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 11:42 Jackal58 wrote:On March 24 2011 11:40 tnkted wrote:On March 24 2011 11:37 chaoser wrote:
His three reasons are in-jokes tnkted, GM didn't do so well last game, that's all.
1. I'm a noobie. This means that i am absolutely not a threat to anyone, and am therefore a prime target for early mafia kills. I could use the human shields!
Actually noobies usually don't get NKed till late game cause mafia obviously wants to kill all the vets. Well, forgive my inexperience, but doesn't the very fact that the vets are such juicy targets make killing them seem very suspicious? If you have a vet thats doing some dangerous theorizing, wouldn't killing him be exactly the wrong thing to do as mafia? it would validate his theory. Instead, the smart move for that mafia would be to kill a noob or some other target. That's called wifom Mr Psych major. Minor, actually. I'm an English major, going to law school. Which, since you seem to be so interested in generalizing people negatively, means i get laid waaaaaay more often then you. and... you're right about wifom, i just googled it. My bad.
Pahlease bitch. I'm married.
No need to get personal. 
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On March 24 2011 11:40 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 11:39 Lemonwalrus wrote:On March 24 2011 11:37 Jackal58 wrote:
It's all sitting there in black and white.
Actually it is black and baby-blue. This is tl. A wonderful contribution, so what do you think of the current candidates lemon? Are any of them worth voting for?
Well, I think that the 'vote or no vote for day 1 lynch' platform is a moot point.
Someone running with a day 1 vote could easily be mafia, since mafia would have a good shot at tipping the vote, especially now when there is no real suspicion on anyone. Then again they could easily be not mafia and just want to use the vote as a way to win the popular vote to make a vote for them seem like a vote for fairness.
Similarly, someone running no day 1 vote could easily be mafia since, obviously getting a free kill day 1 is good for mafia. But they could easily be not mafia and just trust their own mafia sniffing capabilities better than that of the town in the case of a vote.
So basically, as of right now, I have not seen any compelling reasons to vote for anyone, I'm gonna wait to see how the debates continue and vote for whoever I think has the strongest ideas for further down the road. Idk, this is my first game though, so maybe I'm thinking too hard about it.
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Yeah, if a vet is doing theorizing, and gets killed, the thought process goes like this:
Was his theory correct, and mafia killed him because he was dangerous?
Or maybe his theory was wrong and mafia just want us to think it's right
Or maybe it's right, and mafia want us to think they want us to think it's wrong...
Into infinity.
Normally scum will kill vet players because they do become dangerous to them and have strong analysis skills. Being killed doesn't validate your analysis though, you have to take it on its own merit. That's a problem a lot of TL towns have is sheeping to stronger players' analysis, but I think this mostly stems from a lack of analysis from the majority of town, causing a reliance on the efforts of these few.
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On March 24 2011 11:45 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 11:42 GMarshal wrote:On March 24 2011 11:40 Jackal58 wrote:On March 24 2011 11:36 GMarshal wrote:On March 24 2011 11:31 Jackal58 wrote:On March 24 2011 11:24 GMarshal wrote:On March 24 2011 11:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
So, something I want to ask candidates at the moment, is how will you act specifically in your role as the mayor? I'm not talking about your play style, or pro-town things you can do anyways, but what abilities do you possess that we should elect you and give you the power and survivability of the mayor? Well, not counting anything else, theres the fact that I will be doing constant, active analysis, weather sucessful or unsucessful remains to be seen, but I'll be constantly stirring the hornets nest to keep scum from lurking, obviously if I'm dead then thats going to put a hamper in my lynch all lurkers plan. I'd actualy be more than happy to have a better scumhunter in this position, if I were sure he was town, at the moment the only person I can know with any certanty is town is my, so I'd rather deny the scum or third party the ability to require two townies to DIE before they can be night killed Mayor is much more susceptible to lynching than night kills. Only scum would bring up being night killed. Are you forgeting the fact that there are TWO factions in play, scum is going to be gunning for the third party and the third party is going to be gunning for scum because enemy night kills cannot be as easaly manipulated as town lynches can, this is why scum is going to be 100% guaranteed to be gunning for the mayorship, as is the third party, if the scum team can grab the mayorship they can be slightly less worried about the third party and if the third party grabs it they can be slightly less worried about mafia. That means they have more freedom to go after troublesome townies. Did I honestly need to explain that? Also the free day 1 lynch is a delicious treat for either group No sir not at all. But scum is the one faction that will be organized. I intend to disorganize them. Wait, what? I'm assuming that the third party all work together like a mini scum team, so why would they not be organized? Did I miss something? or do you know something I dont? I may have made the exact opposite assumption you did. If the black team is sk types then I don't see them cooperating. If the black team is a second mafia family you are correct. I don't know which they are. I assumed sk types.
Well the fact that there are four of them with a single KP among the four suggests they are a team (if is one kp each we are already in HUGE trouble) . What worries me is that we don't know their win condition, so we have to take them out asap because of the possibility that they win when scum is dead even if most of the town is still standing.
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On March 24 2011 11:47 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 11:45 tnkted wrote:On March 24 2011 11:42 Jackal58 wrote:On March 24 2011 11:40 tnkted wrote:On March 24 2011 11:37 chaoser wrote:
His three reasons are in-jokes tnkted, GM didn't do so well last game, that's all.
1. I'm a noobie. This means that i am absolutely not a threat to anyone, and am therefore a prime target for early mafia kills. I could use the human shields!
Actually noobies usually don't get NKed till late game cause mafia obviously wants to kill all the vets. Well, forgive my inexperience, but doesn't the very fact that the vets are such juicy targets make killing them seem very suspicious? If you have a vet thats doing some dangerous theorizing, wouldn't killing him be exactly the wrong thing to do as mafia? it would validate his theory. Instead, the smart move for that mafia would be to kill a noob or some other target. That's called wifom Mr Psych major. Minor, actually. I'm an English major, going to law school. Which, since you seem to be so interested in generalizing people negatively, means i get laid waaaaaay more often then you. and... you're right about wifom, i just googled it. My bad. Pahlease bitch. I'm married. No need to get personal.
Its cool, I was just responding to your keg comment.
FRIENDS???
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im gonna vote for jackal based on
him not knowing about a second faction pretty much confirms him as town.
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hes also manages to nail scum about 75% of the time he pushes a lynch on someone.
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On March 24 2011 11:40 tnkted wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 11:37 chaoser wrote:
His three reasons are in-jokes tnkted, GM didn't do so well last game, that's all.
1. I'm a noobie. This means that i am absolutely not a threat to anyone, and am therefore a prime target for early mafia kills. I could use the human shields!
Actually noobies usually don't get NKed till late game cause mafia obviously wants to kill all the vets. Well, forgive my inexperience, but doesn't the very fact that the vets are such juicy targets make killing them seem very suspicious? If you have a vet thats doing some dangerous theorizing, wouldn't killing him be exactly the wrong thing to do as mafia? it would validate his theory. Instead, the smart move for that mafia would be to kill a noob or some other target.
Well generally day 1/2 the vets haven't really collected enough data and maybe they'll push someone who's town. Just cause they're vet doesn't mean they're 100% right. It's easy to get out from a vet's analysis if it's early, but it's much harder if it's later on since more things will have happened for them to make a more robust argument. I dunno, I usually never see newbies get killed early on, it's either mid tier players, high tier players, or blue snipes.
@Jackal
You like to tunnel...A LOT. Because of that you almost lost town the game in a recent mafia cause you pushed for pandain's lynch so hard that if there wasn't a vigi, mafia would have 100% won. I don't know if I trust you as mayor deciding our first lynch as well as a figurehead of sorts for town. While town voting day 1 is a crap shoot, leaving it in your hands might not necessarily be any better. This is because I noticed you didn't say you would say who you were going to lynch first to town before lynching. At least if it comes down to a town vote everyone can see where the lynch is going. If you just lynch without telling anyone, that'd be very bad. Will you be telegraphing your lynch target first or will you just be shooting the guy? I don't really care for cowboy mayors.
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On March 24 2011 11:49 Coagulation wrote:
im gonna vote for jackal based on
him not knowing about a second faction pretty much confirms him as town.
Or scum or third party trying to confuse the town, thats a stupid assumption IMO, anyone can say anything about the setup without it being necessarily what they know, for example if I claimed I thought the scum team consisted of 11 people rather then 6 and you then told me that I was wrong, that would not prove I am scum.
Im not saying jackal is scum, but him making a mistake means very little
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On March 24 2011 11:48 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 11:45 Jackal58 wrote:On March 24 2011 11:42 GMarshal wrote:On March 24 2011 11:40 Jackal58 wrote:On March 24 2011 11:36 GMarshal wrote:On March 24 2011 11:31 Jackal58 wrote:On March 24 2011 11:24 GMarshal wrote:On March 24 2011 11:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
So, something I want to ask candidates at the moment, is how will you act specifically in your role as the mayor? I'm not talking about your play style, or pro-town things you can do anyways, but what abilities do you possess that we should elect you and give you the power and survivability of the mayor? Well, not counting anything else, theres the fact that I will be doing constant, active analysis, weather sucessful or unsucessful remains to be seen, but I'll be constantly stirring the hornets nest to keep scum from lurking, obviously if I'm dead then thats going to put a hamper in my lynch all lurkers plan. I'd actualy be more than happy to have a better scumhunter in this position, if I were sure he was town, at the moment the only person I can know with any certanty is town is my, so I'd rather deny the scum or third party the ability to require two townies to DIE before they can be night killed Mayor is much more susceptible to lynching than night kills. Only scum would bring up being night killed. Are you forgeting the fact that there are TWO factions in play, scum is going to be gunning for the third party and the third party is going to be gunning for scum because enemy night kills cannot be as easaly manipulated as town lynches can, this is why scum is going to be 100% guaranteed to be gunning for the mayorship, as is the third party, if the scum team can grab the mayorship they can be slightly less worried about the third party and if the third party grabs it they can be slightly less worried about mafia. That means they have more freedom to go after troublesome townies. Did I honestly need to explain that? Also the free day 1 lynch is a delicious treat for either group No sir not at all. But scum is the one faction that will be organized. I intend to disorganize them. Wait, what? I'm assuming that the third party all work together like a mini scum team, so why would they not be organized? Did I miss something? or do you know something I dont? I may have made the exact opposite assumption you did. If the black team is sk types then I don't see them cooperating. If the black team is a second mafia family you are correct. I don't know which they are. I assumed sk types. Well the fact that there are four of them with a single KP among the four suggests they are a team (if is one kp each we are already in HUGE trouble) . What worries me is that we don't know their win condition, so we have to take them out asap because of the possibility that they win when scum is dead even if most of the town is still standing.
All entirely possible. All the more reason to keep the mayors day 1 lynch independent.
You know as well as I do that day 1 is at best a crap shoot for town.
Promising to vote by majority rule eliminates the mayors strongest attribute - day 1 independence.
Might as well not have a mayor.
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to be fair pandain is a scummy player regardless of alignment and generally an all around good lynch
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There are currently 30 players remaining.
There are currently 16 Townies remaining.
There are currently 4 Police remaining.
There are currently 6 Mafia remaining.
There are currently 4 Third party remaining.
Ok this is pretty simple. Barring extremes, a person in the police can claim freely and be elected mayor. Either mafia or third party would have to trade their entire squad to stop the police from doing this. Agree to this or not, it basically gives us a townie with a pre-set townie circle as mayor. So if you are a green townie it would be in your best interest to drop out of the race if this is to gain momentum.
The extremes of course would be the game setup for-seeing this and giving scum and third party methods to circumvent this.
1) Infiltration. I have a really strong gut feeling that certain team members will have alternate win conditions. So police should decide amongst them who would be the best mayor and most likely town affiliated person.
2) ??? It's insane mafia, so this could backfire, but it beats me how. Any suggestions or criticisms are NECESSARY, because what the fuck do I know. Insane #1 raped me.
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