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annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
March 24 2011 03:10 GMT
#401
why would the reds and blacks need to give up their entire team to counter a blue claim?
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
March 24 2011 03:10 GMT
#402
On March 24 2011 12:09 chaoser wrote:
Wait bum, can you explain the blue plan to me? So a blue player will claim blue, get voted mayor? If it's a red/black then someone on the blue team can immediately call them out on it? in which case it becomes a 1 on 1 and that's good for town. Is that what you're saying?


Exactly. I'm assuming role reveal of course. Thats confirmed right?
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Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
March 24 2011 03:10 GMT
#403
On March 24 2011 11:49 Coagulation wrote:
im gonna vote for jackal based on
him not knowing about a second faction pretty much confirms him as town.

This is ridiculous logic. I don't think Jackal has acted scummy yet but it's irresponsible to clear him just like that.
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Kavdragon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1251 Posts
March 24 2011 03:11 GMT
#404
Dear Liquidia


      Four score and seven minutes ago our hosts brought forth in this fourm a new thread conceived in awesomeness and dedicated to the proposition that all men should post a lot. Now we are engaged in a great Mafia game testing whether this thread, or any thread so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure.

      We are met on a great postingfield in honor of previous games. We have come to dedicate a portion of this thread as a final resting-place for those who here were active that that thier game might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this. But, in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate, we cannot consecrate, we cannot hallow this ground. The brave men, posting and dead, who struggled here have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract.

      The TL Mafia forum will little note nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain, that this thread under Node and LSB shall have a new birth of activity, and that my mayorship of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the thread.

      Now we must move onward, with the memory of these invaluable players emrasened in out minds. But who will lead us to that play that glorious and active game? I humbly submit myself to the public office, willing to server the thread, of the actives, by the actives, and for the actives. Under my leadership, the attacks of the enemy will be rebuffed, the confusion sown by the mafia will be scilence! Inactivity banished, and analysis rewarded! I stand for a town, united in activity and lynches for all scum! So come to my banner fellow Liquidians, let us run a race that will likely be quickly forgotten! Vote for activity! Vote for Scumhunting! Vote for Victory! Vote for KAV!

      Be convinced, if not by my words, then by the words of those who came before me. If not by words than by the pictured I created for the occasion. If not by pictures, then by the epic music I wrote!

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On February 11 2011 10:49 Jackal58 wrote:
My life for you Kav.

On February 11 2011 11:46 GMarshal wrote:
I vote Kav for MVP this game

On February 11 2011 11:49 LSB wrote:
Mr. Wiggles... Soooo imba

Kav too.

On February 11 2011 11:51 OriginalName wrote:
Kav MVP

On February 11 2011 14:15 bumatlarge wrote:
Kav was the MVP by far. No one on town came close, and without him, we would still be in the game, everyone would have though me a DT still and I think it would be lylo.

On February 11 2011 15:59 Barundar wrote:
Town MVP: KavDragon. Ballsy to run mayor as medic!



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Vote for Victory.

Vote for Kav.
I'm currently on an indefinite hiatus from TL =(
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
March 24 2011 03:12 GMT
#405
On March 24 2011 12:06 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2011 12:00 tnkted wrote:
On March 24 2011 11:55 bumatlarge wrote:
There are currently 30 players remaining.

There are currently 16 Townies remaining.
There are currently 4 Police remaining.
There are currently 6 Mafia remaining.
There are currently 4 Third party remaining.


Ok this is pretty simple. Barring extremes, a person in the police can claim freely and be elected mayor. Either mafia or third party would have to trade their entire squad to stop the police from doing this. Agree to this or not, it basically gives us a townie with a pre-set townie circle as mayor. So if you are a green townie it would be in your best interest to drop out of the race if this is to gain momentum.

The extremes of course would be the game setup for-seeing this and giving scum and third party methods to circumvent this.
1) Infiltration. I have a really strong gut feeling that certain team members will have alternate win conditions. So police should decide amongst them who would be the best mayor and most likely town affiliated person.
2) ??? It's insane mafia, so this could backfire, but it beats me how. Any suggestions or criticisms are NECESSARY, because what the fuck do I know. Insane #1 raped me.


On March 24 2011 11:57 chaoser wrote:
Also, something I'd like to point out

1. Coagulation
2. darmousseh
3. Jackal58
4. annul
5. Tackster
6. Lemonwalrus

There are currently 4/4 Townies remaining.
There is currently 1/1 Mafia remaining.
There is currently 1/1 Third Party remaining.


We got a 2 in 6 chance of giving mayor to either black or red if we vote for someone in the item game while it's 16 to 8 if we vote for someone not in the game that a townie gets the mayor role (exclude them from the count so 20 town->16, 6->5 mafia, 4->3 black so that's 16:8)



These are both extremely good points. I absolutely agree with the item game thing. One caveat about the cop thing: how do we know that person is really a cop and not a mafia pretending to be a cop? are cops told who the other cops are?

Show nested quote +
On March 24 2011 12:02 LSB wrote:
On March 24 2011 12:00 tnkted wrote:
are cops told who the other cops are?

Yep.
Everyone but townies are told who their allies are.

And I have/will update the FAQ so check frequently!


That sells it. Third and mafia would basically have to give up their entire team to counter a police claim. In which case it would be completely worth it.

Anyone have any counter-points to this?


ok, do you mind if I look at it this way?

Lets take the worst case scenario, 1 Blue claims and one red claims. We vote for one and lynch the other, if one flips blue then the other is scum, if the other flips scum then the other is blue, this seems good, but at worst its a 1 to 1 trade at best its one scum for one probably roleblocked blue. I don't think its terrible, but it really depends on how powerful our blues are, thats why it should be up to them weather its worth it or not. In a normal setup I'd take the 1 for 1 in a heartbeat, but there are 10 scum out there and we need all the power roles we can get.


I support this plan on the condition we wait till night 0 is over so the blues can see their powers and decide based on that information
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
March 24 2011 03:12 GMT
#406
On March 24 2011 12:10 Coagulation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2011 12:08 tnkted wrote:
On March 24 2011 12:05 Coagulation wrote:
Because he had absolutely no idea what the setup was for scum


Well, that would be a fairly simple thing to fake, wouldn't it.

That's not a confirm, its a shred of evidence.


you can ask around
i am pretty damn good at getting 100% town reads day 1 and banking big money on it and coming out on top.


I doubt 100%...Everyone gets something wrong some of the time. I don't want to "bank" on your judgement because if it turns out wrong we're in a hole.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Lemonwalrus
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States5465 Posts
March 24 2011 03:12 GMT
#407
On March 24 2011 12:10 Coagulation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2011 12:08 tnkted wrote:
On March 24 2011 12:05 Coagulation wrote:
Because he had absolutely no idea what the setup was for scum


Well, that would be a fairly simple thing to fake, wouldn't it.

That's not a confirm, its a shred of evidence.


you can ask around
i am pretty damn good at getting 100% town reads day 1 and banking big money on it and coming out on top.

Well, with 6/30 a monkey throwing darts would be pretty good at getting town reads day 1.
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
March 24 2011 03:12 GMT
#408
On March 24 2011 12:10 annul wrote:
why would the reds and blacks need to give up their entire team to counter a blue claim?


My thought process as well. A counter claim would only reveal that scum has no way to stop it to their knowledge, so I think we can bank on neither faction counter claiming.
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GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
March 24 2011 03:12 GMT
#409
Hello, fellow Insanians.
I'm officially announcing my candidacy for mayor of this city.

I will not be making promises or threats.
I will not campaign for myself, nor will I attack other candidates.

I do not believe a mayoral campaign has any meaning. Rhetoric has nothing to do with the best choice for mayor.
Most of you have seen me play mafia in several games by now; make your choice based on what you've seen so far.

I'm intelligent and analytically talented.
I'm well-spoken and skilled in robustly expressing thoughts.
I'm town-sided in this game.
I'm GGQ and I'm available to be your mayor.
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
March 24 2011 03:14 GMT
#410
Yeah, wait a minute. if a blue claims, then if a red or black claims as well, than we dont know who to trust because everybody will simply claim blue to cause confusion.

Theres no way to confirm if a blue claiming or counterclaiming is actually blue without dts, which we don't have yet.

The plan would have worked if bum was a blue and claimed right away, instead of pitching the idea. as it is however, we've had the chance to think about it, scum will just claim blue to confuse everyone.

On the upside, however, the blue circle will have a confirmed red or black... so i guess the plan has its merits.
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
March 24 2011 03:16 GMT
#411
On March 24 2011 12:08 tnkted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2011 12:05 Coagulation wrote:
Because he had absolutely no idea what the setup was for scum


Well, that would be a fairly simple thing to fake, wouldn't it.

That's not a confirm, its a shred of evidence.

We are 1 hour into the game. I can't prove jack shit. Nobody can. Unless somebody wants to post their alignment post from LSB we are all in the same boat.

I believe that I will make an excellent choice for mayor.
I am town. I know I'm green. I can't prove that. You can't prove that.
That's why we play the game. The only thing I can say to townies is trust me.
And "trust" is the last thing any townie can afford to do.
So why vote for me? Because I love to kill scum.
I will put all of my efforts into town winning.
Vote for me. Let's kill scum of all color variations.
Life can only kill you once.
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
March 24 2011 03:17 GMT
#412
if somebody that isn't running wants to write up a post that gathers all the campaigns into one place that would be super helpful.
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
March 24 2011 03:17 GMT
#413
On March 24 2011 12:12 Lemonwalrus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2011 12:10 Coagulation wrote:
On March 24 2011 12:08 tnkted wrote:
On March 24 2011 12:05 Coagulation wrote:
Because he had absolutely no idea what the setup was for scum


Well, that would be a fairly simple thing to fake, wouldn't it.

That's not a confirm, its a shred of evidence.


you can ask around
i am pretty damn good at getting 100% town reads day 1 and banking big money on it and coming out on top.

Well, with 6/30 a monkey throwing darts would be pretty good at getting town reads day 1.


its 10/30

was that a scum slip?

your not even a real walrus.
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
March 24 2011 03:17 GMT
#414
On March 24 2011 12:14 tnkted wrote:
Yeah, wait a minute. if a blue claims, then if a red or black claims as well, than we dont know who to trust because everybody will simply claim blue to cause confusion.

Theres no way to confirm if a blue claiming or counterclaiming is actually blue without dts, which we don't have yet.

The plan would have worked if bum was a blue and claimed right away, instead of pitching the idea. as it is however, we've had the chance to think about it, scum will just claim blue to confuse everyone.

On the upside, however, the blue circle will have a confirmed red or black... so i guess the plan has its merits.




I'm fairly certain the police force does not contain ALL the blues in the game. In fact, it would be too strong if most of the normal blue powers were dispersed among the non-police.
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annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
March 24 2011 03:17 GMT
#415
here is why you should vote for me

we all have bad games. i have bad games. everyone has bad games.

that said, if i am having a GOOD game, i completely fucking rape the opposition.

there is probably just as much a chance that a mayor has a good game as a bad one, so let's give me the chance to have a good game this time and proceed to roll the fuck on the reds and blacks. i am just coming off of a good game and i feel the wheels still turning.
orgolove
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Vatican City State1650 Posts
March 24 2011 03:19 GMT
#416
Wait. Are the third party voters with the town? Else wouldn't it be too easy for them to just kill off all townies?
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Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
March 24 2011 03:19 GMT
#417
FUCK YEAH ORGOLOVE IS HERE
LETS FIGHT BITCH
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
March 24 2011 03:19 GMT
#418
On March 24 2011 12:17 annul wrote:
here is why you should vote for me

we all have bad games. i have bad games. everyone has bad games.

that said, if i am having a GOOD game, i completely fucking rape the opposition.

there is probably just as much a chance that a mayor has a good game as a bad one, so let's give me the chance to have a good game this time and proceed to roll the fuck on the reds and blacks. i am just coming off of a good game and i feel the wheels still turning.


And what if you are having a good game as scum? Then you will fucking rape the opposition? I'm not liking the my odds
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tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
March 24 2011 03:20 GMT
#419
On March 24 2011 12:17 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2011 12:14 tnkted wrote:
Yeah, wait a minute. if a blue claims, then if a red or black claims as well, than we dont know who to trust because everybody will simply claim blue to cause confusion.

Theres no way to confirm if a blue claiming or counterclaiming is actually blue without dts, which we don't have yet.

The plan would have worked if bum was a blue and claimed right away, instead of pitching the idea. as it is however, we've had the chance to think about it, scum will just claim blue to confuse everyone.

On the upside, however, the blue circle will have a confirmed red or black... so i guess the plan has its merits.




I'm fairly certain the police force does not contain ALL the blues in the game. In fact, it would be too strong if most of the normal blue powers were dispersed among the non-police.


actually, since each townie has a power, i think blue roles physically mean that they are the only blues in the game. i could be wrong i suppose. i was going by the color chart on page 1 anyway.
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
March 24 2011 03:20 GMT
#420
On March 24 2011 12:20 tnkted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2011 12:17 bumatlarge wrote:
On March 24 2011 12:14 tnkted wrote:
Yeah, wait a minute. if a blue claims, then if a red or black claims as well, than we dont know who to trust because everybody will simply claim blue to cause confusion.

Theres no way to confirm if a blue claiming or counterclaiming is actually blue without dts, which we don't have yet.

The plan would have worked if bum was a blue and claimed right away, instead of pitching the idea. as it is however, we've had the chance to think about it, scum will just claim blue to confuse everyone.

On the upside, however, the blue circle will have a confirmed red or black... so i guess the plan has its merits.




I'm fairly certain the police force does not contain ALL the blues in the game. In fact, it would be too strong if most of the normal blue powers were dispersed among the non-police.


actually, since each townie has a power, i think blue roles physically mean that they are the only blues in the game. i could be wrong i suppose. i was going by the color chart on page 1 anyway.


I guess I'm use to looking at it the other way. Then you are very right.
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