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Ser Aspi
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On February 23 2011 15:23 gryffindor wrote: with 30, i doubt there are 8 5-6 is much more likely, with 6 being more likely, unless they start with roles (which I doubt) due to the mechanics 5 with an SK I would believe would be balanced as well, but i'm seeing 6 and 2.5-3kp, or something like "you may not kill 3 people" as 3 kp is a bit much right now we will learn soon enough. It is also possible they get to pick to be permanent, or nightly. I'm not quite sure on the mechanic. Lets assume it is permanent, and they pick a GF and a role reverser they'd still have 1.5kp which would round up to 2 afaik The best thing to do is to not come out if you're a hatter, for sure If you're a cop, I wouldn't come out unless you have a guilty, or are pressured I wouldn't ever claim as medic, unless someone you protected and saved is up for lynch Veteran is OK to claim, many setups have bulletproofs claiming first Vigilante is OK to claim TOMORROW if you claim who you are going to kill - Don't claim today, as you can't kill tonight Translation: Ignore everything I say. Are you scum or just insane? | ||
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On February 23 2011 12:40 chaoser wrote: Ok, so like Gmarshal said, we shouldn't depend on blues this game. Especially since RoL specifically said this game was to punish us for what happened in Salam. At the same thing, I don't think the mafia powers are all THAT powerful. Let them frame away, that's one less death to worry about. PMs are allowed but PLEASE don't just give out crazy info in them (roleclaim, etc.). The point of town is not to have 1 leader controlling everything but small circles that are separated so that if one goes down, the others can still operate. Let's all work together and not let a few players handle all the work (which always seems to happen). This means contributing pleaseee. Repeating something others have said? Check Saying generic obvious advice? Check Making it look like u r saying something but not really? Check vote Chaoser | ||
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So you think that mafia will have no trouble at all keeping up with their town portrayal and pm portrayal and making sure both are congruent? lol Of course this is harder for mafia than just worrying about not being caught in the thread, why would we not do it. The main, only danger is that townies would blabber too much about their role or trust too easily in their partners and be manipulated to mafia ends. That is why whoever you pm needs to be treated as another suspect, someone that you are trying to get extra information out of, not a long time buddy etc. I don't particularly care for randomized groups or whatever; I pm who I want. But it's a good initiative, the only real unique contribution from anyone. The real scrutiny should be on those who are dissing it for terrible reasons. Some are probably town but they are pushing things mafia want and I wouldn't be surprised if a mafia or two is amongst them. | ||
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On February 24 2011 12:16 annul wrote: oh hey another smurf why the fuck does everyone smurf? why are you all afraid of your skill? cute way to sidetrack the debate off your scummy play. "HE POSTED LOGIC SMURFFFFF AHHHHH IGNORE ME" Sorry if I forgot about tl mafia and been busy playing at epicmafia and mafiascum for the past year. Naturally you don't actually respond to what I said. Even more interesting, a smurf would be someone more knowledgeable than a new player. For you to think that I am a smurf immediately means that you felt what I said had merit. Thus that means you know better, which means you are scum bullshiting. vote## Annul Im gonna knock you off your broomstick boy | ||
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On February 25 2011 08:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote: ##Vote Annul I'm not entirely convinced he is scum, and this vote may change before the deadline. As it is though, lynching annul will clear up the thread a bit and make it easier to find scum. I honestly think between GMarshal and Gryf, one is probably scum. I'm suspicious of both right now, gryf for pushing bad ideas and being wishy-washy, and GMarshal for the timing of his analysis on annul. how nice of you to pop up with this laughably confused post. "not entirely convinced" about annul, huh? Well of ur 10 in game posts (lets compare this to 30 pre-game spam posts now) ur whole agenda has been subtly pushing doubt on aggressive people in general, then proceeding to softly cast doubt on annul. Then you quote gryffindor when he connects annul to GMarshal without adding any insight. What the heck are you trying to do here? Combined with the above quoted post, this is absolutely scummy. If you think one of GMarshal/gryf is scum, why aren't you voting for them? If gryf connected GMarshall and annul, why do you NOT have annul in your "probably scum" pile? if you think lynching annul will clear up the thread, why not vote for gryffindor, who fits both categories of a) spamming up the thread, and b) you think is "probably scum"? Your logic reaks of scum. Burn the witch. ##Unvote Vote## Mr. Wiggles | ||
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Also medic should not protect foolishness. | ||
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This means that the remaining mafia have very low profiles in the thread. Those players - low post counts, non committal players, useless people, are who DTs cops should check and we should consider for lynch tomorrow. Also given the unlikelihood that mafia tried to bandwagon annul off, until maybe it was assured he would die, i wouldn't worry about icemac or gryffindor being scum, as bad as they might be playing. | ||
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On February 25 2011 12:25 Coagulation wrote: SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT ABOUT THIS LYNCH. DO NOT BE FOOLED BY THIS. It's not a big deal. A mafia died cause a lot of people didnt like him. No need to make it more complicated. Occams razor yo~ It isn't as if LSB was the only one who got annul killed either he was just one voice among many. It'd be different if LSB was the one who started everything but that aint the case. And anyway its not like theres much to gain for mafia to do this. Whether lsb is mafia or not is irrelevant really at this point. Others are looking far more guilty. | ||
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On February 25 2011 12:27 Beneather wrote: Ooooh, I think that we should lynch Ser Aspi next he tried pushing the lynch to Mr.Wiggles :O! What a huge step for town lmfao. :D lol theres a difference between "pushing a lynch" onto someone with no votes and 2 1/2 hrs remaining in lynch and wanted to see someone reacts when annul is sure to die already. | ||
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Lets break this down and look at it objectively. 1. We lynch annul. 2. Mafia are incapable of getting the lynch off of annul. This means they do not have players who are prominent or have a lot of influence. 3. Suspicion turns on the most prominent players who are active and have influence. Logic does not compute. We should be targeting the INACTIVES, or the fakers at least because they would be the ones who could not get the lynch off annul. But no of course not you have to go for the most prominent people on the off chance that annul might have been bussed. Why the hell would mafia deliberately sacrifice a member on day 1 when they have an assured green lynch normally. Town cred is really not that important. Shut up with the conspiracy theories. Yes LSB/etc might be mafia. But what is more likely. LSB/Barundar, PROMINENT PEOPLE, are scum, or joe2 posts is scum? Simple solutions work best. Granted LSB has a bit of a negative influence on the town because he keeps trying to hype himself up to absurd proportions far out of alignment with what he did, seriously hes like a professional marketer, but that's not remotely worthy of a lynch. How about this. I got someone better. ##vote: jbright Why? He only has 4 real posts, a dodger vote, and he likes to talk nonsense and ignore the big arguments. On February 24 2011 12:07 JBright wrote: So far the game has been dominated by a few very vocal players, but I'm not sure how much progress we are making since it seems they're mostly arguing the about the same thing again and again. Yes, there are a few inactive players (myself included up to this post). I will probably give one of them a pressure vote until they post or a substantially better candidate pops up. Maybe I'm a bit naive or just inexperienced at this game, but none of the posts so far seem too scummy to me. On February 25 2011 14:27 JBright wrote: Yay town. Looks like I ended up wasting my vote on myself since I forgot to change my vote. If annul did slip up and there are up to 5 members in a mafia family...does that mean we could potentially have 1/3 of the players as mafia with only 2 families? Since this is a punishment game in some sense, I think that there must be more difficulties than just the special scum powers. Having potentially 10 scum means that it'll be more dangerous to trust the people in PM circles than expected if we do get around to forming them. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how night 1 goes and play from there. On February 25 2011 15:36 JBright wrote: This is my second game and I really have no idea what to expect... I've read somewhere that there could be games with competing mafia families, but I guess that not a common occurrence here. As far as the "slip" goes, I guess it really is going to be wifom. If that gave away too much information (as to spoil the game), one of the mods could have potentially edited it out. But now that so many people have seen it, any modifications would be extremely suspicious. As a general rule, it is probably true that scum lie a lot. But even 5 mafia members seem like a good approximation (if 10 is too much), although it is definitely safer to assume that 5 is the lower limit of the number of scum. On February 27 2011 23:04 JBright wrote: A lot of interesting arguments are being thrown around, but none of them are particularly compelling enough to throw any one person to the top. For now, I'll go with the possible scum slip and vote for icemac. ##vote: icemac You reference multiple times how newbie you are. Gee, why would you do that. I saw this a lot on other mafia sites and guess what, scum almost every time. Townies wouldnt need to do that, but scum sure might. Next, what have you actually said. WAit, I got it. NOTHING. In your several paragraphs you have written absolutely nothing zilch nada of value. You pressure vote some safe inactive lynch and dont take a stand, note that you are inactive very early on, and don't do anything about it. Inconsistency much? You don't take sides, you dont have an opinion that means anything, and you dont really care about whats going on. It's like you're off in your own little la-la-land aka scum irc channel chortling. Half of your "contribution" involves hypothesizing about some fantasy where there are two mafia teams lol and maybe a mod edit or something but you dont really know? That alone doesnt mean enough, you could just be stupid, but with everything else, it aint looking good brodooski. You then do absolutely nothing with your vote today. You dont take a standard, you dont take a side, you just say "HRM I DUNNO ILL VOTE THIS GUY CAUSE I DONT KNOW AND DONT CARE ABOUT THE TOWN TO WANT TO KNOW" To top it off I looked at the last game you played, orgah mafia. You were a town so far as i can tell with those screwy rules, and none of these habits showed up. You posted decisive stuff man. You didnt bullshit about how new you are. You didnt make excuses. But now you are. Guess why? Cause you're scum Here are some portions from his town play: + Show Spoiler [orgah] + On February 12 2011 10:56 JBright wrote: Whoa there. Don't know if those are just part of your characters, but you don't have to start accusing people as mafia just because of it. A character and someone's alignment should be completely separate things (at least that's what I think), so no need to jump the gun. Hmm, so far the votes are still looks to be pretty distributed other than Zerroth. Unless something drastic happens within the next 7-8 hours, he will probably be lynched. I guess I'll just vote for someone who is inactive but still have no votes yet. Vote: Insanious On February 13 2011 03:31 JBright wrote: I've thought about the different alignments for twins as well, but it will be hard to determine anything, other than suspicious play, until the first night is over. The activity so far in this game has come in waves...a whole bunch of posts in a short period and then nothing for a few hours. I'm still curious as to why Coagulation didn't put down a vote. Several players' votes were discounted (late or wrong format) but they at least tried. A second day without votes would mean a modkill, so I'll be looking closely at those people for the second day. On February 14 2011 08:23 JBright wrote: It's been surprisingly quiet for this day cycle. That makes the voting a bit harder. Since the first set of modkills can potentially happen tonight, I'll try to vote for someone who has a counted vote for day 1. Hmm, the OMGUS votes from beefy and thefluffyone seems kinda weird to me (they responded in a similar manner, but could be part of their characters). Since fluffy already has a vote, I'll go for beefy. Vote: Beefy187 Look how he actually takes a stance. Yes he has weird penchants but he doesn't vote the bandwagons and has the guts to state his own opinions and make real choices. Folks this is a guy trying to hide and pulling it off because you are so concentrated on trying to chop off any blade of grass that grows above the rest. ![[image loading]](http://hubba-u.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/professor_badass.jpg) Im coming for you scum. Jbright | ||
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On February 28 2011 10:37 seRapH wrote: ##Vote: icemac In case it takes a while to read, was kinda gone the whole weekend kinda Yeah what a coincidence. Heres what happened I bet. Seraph pops in mafia irc. HURRY DUDE LD IS GONNA GET LYNCHED VOTE FOR ICEMAC. OK GUYS I GOT DA PERFECT EXCUSE. A PLACEHOLDER VOTE I'd rather kill Jbright but apparently lynch closes soon and LD is a decent target so. vote##: LundarDestiny | ||
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Posting now in case I die. I do realize that this town seems to only care about big name players and big name spammers but maybe, just maybe...this badass picture will help save the day. What we learned day 1- Mafia couldn't save annul. Therefore mafia must not be able to influence the votes the way they want. That means most, if not all of their remaining members, must be in the afk/lurker group. Thus, the highest priority focus should be there. Simple logic right? Apparently not to the geniuses who think that annul was bussed because obviously scum want to just throw away an active member when they could otherwise get out of jail for free? All for some petty little trust? Not like being right once means anyone will be right again. Lightning doesn't always strike twice. LSB/Barundar mgiht be mafia, might not. But others are far far more likely. So ignore them for now. What we learned day 2- Nothing except that the town is incompetent and focuses on the easy lynches instead of the guys who dont want to stick out. In short do the opposite of this and ur good. Some more bad posts: On March 01 2011 04:42 LunarDestiny wrote: I'll give my take on this... Posting pm for no reason is a bad thing because it will reveal information to mafia. However, there are many circumstances where posting pm is good. For example, look how Foolishness post his pm with me and find that I didn't do what exactly I promised. That generated one point saying why i am mafia. If he is mafia and I town, and edited the pm, I can denied it and there goes 1 mafia of the two. If I am mafia and he town. If I denied the pm and same 1 mafia out of the two. If both are town, I shouldn't lie. If both are mafia, mafia is stupid. Icemac also gave out all pm before he died. It give additional information for town to work with and town can use those to accuse or defend people. Taking those pms into the grave is not as useful. Your case describes that mafia edit the pm and use them for the late game. This situation only works if the other person mafia is editing the pm from is afk and don't claim the pm is edited. This is huge risk from mafia and certainly mafia would take unless they are desperate. Your other case say that 2 or more mafia talk in circles and post pm to make themselves look good. This case stands because it would be hard to prove these pms wrong. Also even revealing one of them mafia doesn't prove that the other is mafia believe it could very well be legit pm between mafia and town. But if we just compare the pro and con of post pm. i find it is beneficial for them to be posted given there is a reason. So I have to agree with deucenuo on this subject and asking you to describe why it is bad to post pm. Also give your reasons why posting pm is bad. (Does the con outweigh the pro?) So much you could weigh in on, and you write an essay that boils down: "posting pm's when theres a reason that gives town more reliable information is good" Of all the things you could have posted on LIKE SUSPECTS AND WHO YOU THINK IS MAFIA AND WHY, you said something as useless and obvious as that, and make it look like you are good Sir Sherlock Holmes solving cases left and right. You sir are trying to blend in. Who might want to blend in? DRRR I wonder. Maybe scum? On February 28 2011 11:39 seRapH wrote: Ok, all caught up. LSB vs Barundar- LSB is the one who really pushed the annul lynch. That alone makes me doubt that he's mafia, regardless of how scummy the rest of his play so far might seem. Barundar, on the other hand, doesn't have the cleanest record right now. I'd be ok with lynching Barundar, since LSB has already caught one. icemac- Getting scummier, really starting to suspect him now. It doesn't help that his lynch is meeting with a lot of resistance. Especially this late in the day. Feels like someone's deliberately diverting the lynch off of him, doesn't it? Personally, I say we go for it. When there's post that triggers a swing in votes this late in the game it feels super suspicious. Also, it's the end of the day. The entire day cycle was spent with great bickering and squabbles between two parties. Everything was dandy, with two camps clearly lined up. No matter who we lynched, we'd have much more information to look at. But now people are jumping off and actively diverting the lynch. At the end of the day. For no reason other than because foolishness said so. I hate that. I respect foolishness and all as a player, but that does not mean that we should just blindly do what he tells us. This isn't a battle between a few "priority 1" players, this is isn't even a battle between "priority 1+2" players, this is a game where YOU decide who YOU think is mafia. Is anyone actually voting for people they think are really mafia? Because at this rate, we're going to lose all the progress we made today. And that's bullshit. Priority 1 players? Dont make me laugh at LSB's marketing bullshit. Foolishness made a good case, he seems to know his stuff, and we listened. Nothing more to it, LD was a better lynch than icemac/barundar/lsb. Your entire post boils down to: "Hold my hand and dont hurt me if i im wrong but maybe icemac or barundar might possibly be mafia but i dont want to take an active stance and point da finger. OH AND DONT TRUST FOOLISHNESS." Of course scum wouldnt want us to trust someone who can make posts like that. Please explain why a townie would make his most impactful post consisting of such drivel that helps the mafia. Oh wait, you cant. On February 28 2011 23:08 JBright wrote: There isn't all that much for me to say in this situation. I think my play so far have been a hindrance to town - at best a bad townie and at worst a lurking scum. Both situations won't bring me to a situation of being nightkilled, so I'll assume that I'll be up for a lynch by the next day cycle if there are no better candidates. Are you joking? I mean seriously, you have to be kidding? could you make it anymore obvious you dont care at all about the town? You point out how useless you are, and that's it? You dont make any attempt to do....ANYTHING?.You don't weigh in on what you think of the days events, who you think is guilty or innocent, or anything besides how useless you are, which we know already. Great! If you are a townie i dont ever want to play with you again, but you arent, so its cool ill see you next game brodooski. Conclusions Axis of Evil Jbright -Doesnt care about the town Seraph -his (few) posts help scum LunarDestiny - tries to look like hes being helpful while hiding that he really isnt Both seraph and lunar are clearly very active and engaged as evidenced by their pregame posts and suddenly arent after getting their roles. Jbright is obvious as all hell, nothing more should be said. There are other people who deserve attention too, eg Why for his original bandwagon on icemac when annul was under heat and penchant for only pressuring innocents, but stick with the axis of evil for now and maybe throw a check on our good Question pal if he doesn't die. Remember, highest priority/most guilty people first. Anyone else after. | ||
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Let's break down exactly what you said. Cause most of it is just irrelevant fluff and we need a translator for scum posts.
2 "im not giving up im just useless but dont blame me for it!" You say you are better at thinking about the situation, but you have given almost no input about situations. In other words you are bullshitting to save your ass. 3 "ima restate foolishness's arguments and add a little confusion to them. I need to make sure i say 'im not sure' a lot so people dont call me out on anything i might say" 4 "ima put doubt on some people with absolutely no reasoning to back it up but wait dont take it too seriously i dont want any backlash!1!111!!" 5 "random probability crap." wtf this doesnt mean anything just more nonsense 6 "add in some completely unrelated dr h quote and talk about worshipping confirmed innocents to make your post look cooler and longer" 7 "LD might be good to kill but i dunno ill wait for him to post so i can change my stance without looking bad" You said that little in one of the largest posts in this thread. WTF? You post no real strong opinion and you don't want to take a stance. You just stated a bunch of garbage and tried to avoid getting blamed for how useless you are. You still don't care about the town, but, this time, you are trying a lot harder to make it look like you are. In the same vein that is a post considerably longer than any post I have found of yours in any game. Like, many times larger. Guess what, you felt the heat and OVERCOMPENSATED. You probably even had your buddies help you out in constructing it. ##vote: Jbright Don't worry about LD, Seraph or anyone else. This guy just gave himself up and we can only kill one guy at a time. Don't split the vote and let the mafia choose who to kill. One guy at a time. I am coming for you. | ||
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Seraph on the other hand, let's just say he's pushing some agendas that help the mafia and the contrast of his spamminess pregame and total silence in game is too striking. Jbright might be just a useless townie who I hope fixes his act pronto, but Seraph has something to hide. ##vote: Seraph | ||
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Don't worry about people who have more complex cases like cubedin. Kill these two first. Seraph Kevconsim Lastargument | ||
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So what we decided to do was present the town with multiple options rather than forcing 1 person to die and see what happened in an effort to use the day's proceedings to make the best lynch. Naturally if one was mafia and the other town, mafia would push the town lynch pretty heavily. Keep in mind Jbright, when posed with the alternative of Icemac, got almost no support day 2. Yet suddenly when he was up against the alternative of Seraph, he got a lot more questionable voters with bs reasons and we very narrowly lynched Seraph. In other words, we set a trap, and the mafia fell for it hook line and sinker. Scum down, and lots of juicy information. This is what we planned to do again today with kevconsim and lastargument, but foolishness was shot and I cant do that alone now. So lets look at the key data - given how close the lynch was my guess is 3 mafia were on jbright and 1 elsewhere, but at the very least 2 mafia were on the jbright list. For now I'll focus on the two highest priority ones and will return to the others after the lynch. Let's look at the important people on the jbright train. Jbright: GMarshal CubEdIn chaoser kevconsim LastArgument And who is voting for and putting a lot of suspicion LSB/LA? Gmarshal Chaoser. kevconsim It smells more than fishy. It smells scum. Note how chaoser has convienently ignored kevconsim completely while putting doubt on so many other players. And also, mafia can't afford to 'bus for trust' because they lose a kp when they lose their next member, gf or no (3.5 -> 2.5 currently). Keep in mind some other things: 1. lsb couldn't shoot night 1, was roleblocked night 2, and thus couldn't shoot until today. His behavior may be screwy but his explanation is possible. 2. There are definitely more power roles given mafia started with 3.5 kp and all these fancy abilities. Only three have been accounted for so far with no other claims, so it would make sense that at least one if not both might be telling the truth. I am assuming, of course, that our dear mod isn't insane and I hope that is a safe assumption. 3. LSB has voted for both mafia to die and didn't vacillate. His behavior is again, screwy and it doesn't make him innocent by any means, but you can't ignore this fact either. 4. LSB is getting bandwagoned HARD. kevconsim, on the other hand, is scarcely getting any attention. I'm not saying I'm certain lsb/la are innocent, as quite frankly up until this day's proceedings I thought LA guilty and LSB questionable, but it is FAR more probable that kevconsim and chaoser are guilty. As I judge it will be too difficult to convince everyone to kill that scumbo chaoser out of the blue in less than a day, kevconsim it is. Chaoser day 5. To be sure, let's look at kev's wildly incongruent behavior. Votes: Day 1: Icemac -> Annul - At the last minute when annul was 100% dead. Seems like a scum move. He claimed he wanted annul dead in pm's but his thread behavior was 1 post on icemac then a last minute switch to annul. Not consistent. Day 2: Icemac Day 3: Jbright Definitely doesn't look good for him. This is also my first time playing Mafia so i am kinda getting used to how to play....I am pretty sure you are town. I am pretty sure you are blue too but i do not know which one. Contrast this with: I am a regular townie so i dont really do anything at night right? + multiple instances of claiming how new he is.WTF? So you have someone who insists on being extremely new that is simultaneously capable of saying 'pretty certain someone is town and pretty certain he is blue' in pms. I'm sorry but this is laughable. He has an agenda. He's hiding something. Lastly, his logic of voting Jbright is extremely flawed as evidenced by barundar's pm's. The only reason i did vote was because i thought voting ended today. I dont trust LD i havent since Day 2. I trust Seraph more than LD but i dont like how he can say one thing and do another. Day 1 1. We lynch annul. 2. Mafia are incapable of getting the lynch off of annul. This means they do not have players who are prominent or have a lot of influence. LD is playing a really quiet game compared to other games he has played in. Seraph is not being as quiet. Seraph was one of the least active players in the game. LD was hardly active, but certainly moreso than seraph. Kev's words are heavily inconsistent with his behavior. He has something to hide. No smack brand new newbie is going to start fishing for roles in pm's as townie. ##vote:kevconsim | ||
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On March 06 2011 01:35 chaoser wrote: @Ser Apsi You're an idiot an a fool if you don't see the point in lynching LSB and how it takes precedence over Kev. He has acted scummy all game and is now irrevocably tied to LA. If LSB flips vigi than it's 100% confirmed that LA is vet since I very much doubt that a medic protected him/ If LSB flips red than LA is probably red as well along with anyone that DIDN'T want to vote LSB if he flips red. I welcome any analysis on my posting, I've been actively scum hunting both in game and out. This whole game you've been piggybacking off foolishness' analysis, write your damn own. Plus that huge picture is annoying as fuck, use a smaller picture please. I piggybacking off foolishness? Puh LEAZE. Along with deconduo I was the original impetus on annul, which, guess what, foolishness jumped on later. You are just scared, scum. You and your buddies jumped on jbright to save Seraph. We all know jbright is innocent after how close that lynch was. Now you and your buddies are jumping on LA and LSB. Gee, I wonder what they are. The analysis on you is very simple. It all comes down to 1 post that could not have been made by a non-scum. You may try, but you cannot refute this. Squirm as much as you like scumbo. On February 25 2011 01:45 chaoser wrote: Man, finally all rested. I haven't fully read all of the thread but I'll get my thoughts out of the way first. Firstly, Annul: At present, annul is bad for town whether he's mafia or not...I mean there's not helping town and there's being detrimental to town. Making the thread into a heated mud slinging battle=not very good atmosphere to be catching red in. Promoting discussion is fine, promoting flaming is not. It just lets mafia blend in and take sides and have an easy way of "contributing to discussion". I know he can do better too, it's just a question of why isn't he i guess. I hate policy lynches but if it keeps going this way... I'm willing to have him as a fall back lynch if no one else comes up. That being said, icemac, what's up not analyzing? Whether it's "fluff" or not (I don't really think the topics people are discussing are fluff) there's a lot to talk about. You can talk about the situation in general (why did this convo pop up? if this is mafia talking why would they do this? etc. etc,) Or you can even explain why it's fluff. You kinda just say it's fluff and bounce. I actually use to play this way too cause I figured I needed more info before making a call, but making a call by itself is helpful for town. When we look back on past events, we can say, ah ha, this is where he stood in the situation, given what's happened so far, i think he's town/mafia/etc. It's like leaving a mark for all to see. As opposed to saying nothing about anything and then you don't leave ANY mark. How is town suppose to read you if you're just not leaving a mark? By thinking hmm why didn't he want to leave a mark...SCUMMM. See, not helpful at all. Gryffindor: I don't know if he lied or not. Maybe it was just a misunderstanding in PMs where he thought RoL/MK said something they didn't actually mean. Unless RoL says in thread he 100% lied, I'm going to read it as such. His list, I think, is just him giving into popular sentiment. I don't think it points to him as being red, more like he's seeing that it COULD be beneficial. This statement by him is pretty good, I agree that both can be combined if needed. Makes me think he's green cause he's willing to compromise instead of just toeing the line which is much easier to do as mafia than to reach across the aisle. This was made when the annul lynch was gaining a little steam but not nearly decisive. 1. The guilty part is you trying to subtly deflect the annul lynch, while hiding that you are trying to do that. This isn't " i dont think annul is a good lynch," which anyone mafia or town could say. This is "i secretly dont want to lynch annul but i dont want you to know that so im going to but maybe just maybe we can have him as a fallback option aka if my team cant get another suspect up there." You try to dodge or downplay the real accusations against annul and insist "he can do better" while still making it look like you are part of the good guy bandwagon while being prepared to hop off as soon as another candidate got some votes. I don't need to read any other posts by you. No townie could possibly make this post. 2. Funny part is, you are doing the exact same thing you are putting doubt on icemac for: not having a strong and decisive opinion. Oops!  3 Here is the kicker. After all the bullshit you say about being decisive, after all the suspicion and doubt you put on all these dumb townies throughout the game, you don't say a damn word about cubedin (might as well air all the dirty laundry now) or kevconsim. Cubedin has made multiple 8 paragraph posts which boil down to "I dont know anything and dont have a real opinion about anyone," while nobody in the game has successfully forced a strong opinion out of kevconsim despite multiple thread and pm attempts. And GUESS WHO FELL ONTO THE JBRIGHT TRAP? Chaoser, cubedin, kevconsim. It's just a coincidence right!??!? RIGHT???? No fucking way scumbo. + Show Spoiler [cubedin and kev examples] + Just some examples look at their post history to see how hilarious this is. On February 28 2011 04:46 CubEdIn wrote: Hi again peoples. Here's a crappy cell-phone pic of yesterday! + Show Spoiler + I GOT TO SEE SNOW! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/BSyWf.jpg) Now, to the issues at hand. Obviously, the most pressing issue is LSB vs Barundar. LSB: Mostly, the most trouble I have with this is that, if Barundar is right, we have to kill someone who really pushed a red on day 1. That's all. We shouldn't really do this. Here is why: - If LSB is town, and he's as good as people say he is, then he will be targeted by mafia, sooner or later. - If LSB is red, he already outed a team-mate. If mafia is as ballsy as Barundar says, then they might do something equally strange in order to clear LSB. In which case, it spells good for town. So I have no idea why so many people are going along with this. At least give LSB one-two more days and see how the game goes. You can't possibly want one of the more experienced players to die, after pushing a red, based entirely on "he could have played this exactly the same if he was red". True, but that's not a convincing argument. Not for me anyway. There are just two things that make me not dismiss this completely: 1. Harry Potter Mafia, when LSB seemed very, very pro-town in the thread, and he was scum. It can be said that he was Snape so he might have known he was ultimately town-aligned, but at the time he was in our scum team, yet he played very pro-town in the thread (or at least make it seem that way). This could be a more advanced version of that. 2. The "once he flips red" made it seem extremely confident. Which is a bit weird since it was day one. I don't think it's healthy for anyone to be that confident in day 1. Barundar: I don't know if Barundar is red or town, but I honestly don't think it is something that mafia would do. Let's think for a second here, take what Barundar said: The thing is, when someone plays as mafia, it’s hard to do analysis because you know that the person who you are doing analysis is town, so you have to make up stuff. It's kinda hard to make up so much stuff just to try and sink LSB, and even if you do (say, Barundar is red and LSB is town), then it doesn't make any sense because Barundar would die next night for sure, so it would basically be two mafia down just to kill LSB. So if he is red (and they want LSB dead), it's just a really bad move, because once LSB flips town, he's dead. If he's town, it's an even worse move, because if LSB is town, then Barundar will most likely get lynched as well, and you will have wasted two lynches, and two of the better players and get absolutely nowhere. So here's what I'm saying: 1. Think really well about who to vote for. 2. FoS on those who voted on LSB with saying "oh wow that was a good analysis" but didn't really bother to THINK about it and the other possiblities and the outcomes. I'm sure there's at least a few mafia among them who were oh-so-glad an experienced townie is being targeted. Here are a few examples: Yeah, that's a good freaking reason. Why would you bother thinking for yourself when someone posted a 3-part-post? No mafia writes that much! This seems scummiest to me: "mafia probably just got some lucky snipes" - something of a 'reverse-gloating', being happy with the kills but trying to look very pro-town by saying almost nothing. "Probably has one experience player and a load of non-experienced players" - umm, yeah, we can tell that based on... ummm.... ?! slip?! "I like risks however so I think the Bus is definitly plausible" - i like the risk of killing one of the best town players on the 50-50% he's red. (I'm saying 50-50 because he said it's "plausible", not likely or anything else) Of course, my whole theory tumbles if LSB is indeed red. But we are basing this solely on the idea that the mafia team pushed Annul to a lynch on day one, which is a massively ballsy thing to do. I'm not saying LSB is town, but at least give it more time to develop, just don't claim to him or whatever if you don't trust him. As for Jackal, I didn't think he was scum, and I wanted to post a few bits based on Mafia 36 that made me think it was unlikely that he is red, but then he gave up on Gryph and voted LSB based on the fact that it's either him or Barundar, again, being certain that one of them is red, which no player should do so early in the game. That's about enough for now, as I still want to look over the posts and see if I can find someone worthy of my vote. But unless something really scummy pops up, it's definitely not gonna be LSB or Barundar. Not this time band-wagon-man! On March 03 2011 16:09 Barundar wrote: First of all: congratulations to us. Second of all: LOL at people screaming lynch GMarshal. GMarshal listed his PM’s with Seraph, which doesn’t looks forged, and which several people encouraged him to. GMarshal has been playing pro town all game and has been in contact with a number of people. He posted the PM’s in the thread, and has been clear in his reasoning. Now I agree GMarshal hasn’t been playing the best, I even prodded him about his vote on JBright, and he would rather lynch LastArgument than seraph. But you are all putting way too much emphasis on people being linked together over actual behavioural analysis. Third: LOL at people apologising to LSB, and LOL at LSB wanting medic protection. You think someone isn’t mafia because of 1 vote? While he does get some brownie points, LSB’s play is still mafia. Difference is he didn’t bus Seraph. Let me break the lynch down for you: LSB threw a vote early on to Seraph. But he was casting doubt on the actual analysis while doing so, and he didn’t sound convinced. LSB doesn’t actually bother talking about Seraph or convince others to vote him. Instead he spams at best, and tries to divert at worst: LSB didn’t believe in the actual lynch, and he certainly didn’t try to convince others. The only thing that gives LSB brownie points for this lynch, is to have had the votes on the right target, but it’s not like mafia can’t park a vote on their own afk team mate, who has strong cases against him. They just don’t want others to do the same. And LSB didn’t push for Seraph, he only put doubt on the case against him. Let’s not forget it was LSB who wanted GMarshal to publish Seraph’s PM’s. Now who did push for Seraph? Foolishness, obviously Why Myself + Show Spoiler + I feel like the Jbright analysis is based more on "scumslips" than actual behavioral analysis. Quite contrary to the conclusions drawn by Ser Aspi, I don't see Jbright answering as a pressured scum. His silly reasons and distance from the game tells me bored townie rather than scum. On March 03 2011 09:25 Barundar wrote: Agreed with this, weak reasoning in the votes stacking on Jbright. Jackal58 + Show Spoiler + On March 03 2011 09:33 Jackal58 wrote: Well screw waiting. kevconsim and Last Argument were much to fast and much to happy to both vote for Jbright. UNVOTE: kevconsim ##VOTE: Seraph I urge you all to do the same. Ser Aspi + Show Spoiler + On March 03 2011 10:01 Ser Aspi wrote: After seeing all these silent voters come out of the woodwork and vote jbright with no rationale Im feeling rather uneasy. My analysis of him was hardly foolproof, i just saw some shady points and wanted to push his buttons a little and I'm not convinced after what's happened. Seraph on the other hand, let's just say he's pushing some agendas that help the mafia and the contrast of his spamminess pregame and total silence in game is too striking. Jbright might be just a useless townie who I hope fixes his act pronto, but Seraph has something to hide. ##vote: Seraph All of these are most likely town, along with deconduo who started the day 1 bandwagon. I encourage to protect any of them, but favourite is Foolishness. So, who should we lynch tomorrow? LSB? If we have a vigilante out there, then kill LSB. He is still scum, and town has huge problems seeing through his play. He is exactly the kind of scum that you need to use vigi shot on, he is high profile and charismatic, making him difficult to lynch. We will most likely have to drag him to lylo if he doesn’t get vigi killed. There is someone I think is a way better lynch target for tomorrow, Kevconsim. Kevcon has been bandwagoning every day, with little reasoning. Upon his suspicious unvote yesterday, I decided to pressure him in PM’s to see if I could actually force an opinion out of him: Message from me he never replied to: It’s quite impossible to force an opinion out of him, and it’s funny how he couldn’t be forced to vote Seraph over LD even when he based his vote on post count. Objectively post count should lead to voting seraph. ##vote:chaoser Didn't you read? Professor Badass is a mod approved image, so shove it. But I'll be nice this one time. Seraph Chaoser Kevconsim Cubedin + Show Spoiler [you know it's here] + I can predict the future. You are going to doublestack me tonight and I will live anyway. Then your team will lose. | ||
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On March 06 2011 05:55 GMarshal wrote: 1. LSB is town 2. LSB is vigi. 3. LSB shot bumatlarge not LA. 4. I am speaking for one of our medics. 5. LSB was hit on the last night cycle. 6. LSB is protecting LA for reasons that none of us in the circle truly understand. 7. LSB believes LA to be town. That is his belief alone. I am not defending LA. 8. Nobody in our circle is defending LA. 9. I cannot name any of the others in our circle without throwing medics and others to the wolves. I will not do that. Do not ask Gryff. I will not answer. 10. I have been in contact with people that were in a circle with Foolishness. !!. Their scum list matches ours on 3 out of 4 names. 1.) right... 2.) ok... 3.) then why the hell did he lie about it? and why bum? EXPLAIN!!! 4.) ok... 5.) and why didn't he claim that this morning, it would have been nice to know? 6.) Then I want an explanation out of him, PM will suffice 7.) LSB believes alot of strange stuff 8.) ok... 9.) fine, I can accept that, I don't know how much of your circle is imaginary though. 10.) really now, that dosn't clear them at all though, being in a circle with someone means very little. 11.) and this list is? this proves nothing to me you provide no evidence, and no backup after LSB playing the way he is i'm not going to just take your word for it jackal sorry. LSB might be utterly insane but there's nothing that necessarily makes him mafia. Look at the votes. Look who is pushing what, and who voted for what. Chaoser, kev, and cubedin cannot be anything but mafia. LSB might be scum but he also might just be crazy. | ||
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Your choice is to squirm and reveal the last mafia member or take this like a man and hope that guy can save the game. Your call brodooski. | ||
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