EPThaving TWO kp per cycle is not as beneficial to town, because we have less information. As you can tell thus far our kill selections have been off the mark. The longer the game goes on the more info we get (clues + analysis) so the fewer kills the better. THUS only mafia would want to keep an SK alive to limit the amount of info town can get from clues (as some clues go to sk) and just plain THE GAME ENDS SOONER
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
having TWO kp per cycle is not as beneficial to town, because we have less information. As you can tell thus far our kill selections have been off the mark. The longer the game goes on the more info we get (clues + analysis) so the fewer kills the better. THUS only mafia would want to keep an SK alive to limit the amount of info town can get from clues (as some clues go to sk) and just plain THE GAME ENDS SOONER | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On February 02 2011 13:13 GMarshal wrote: I dont think you get it we aren't offering LunarDestiny a choice between serving town or some better deal, if lunar deviates at all from the towns instructions (which I think we should determine by majority vote) he hangs, I dont see where the disadvantage to giving town a second KP is. what, he's going to hang eventually anyways if he listens to you, because he confirms himself as the SK if he does. (or the other SK listens just to implicate him), or he could not listen to you and kill other people making it look like he's not the SK there's so much wifom i dont see how you can think he'd want to listen to us if he was SK. If he's been found out like this he's going to die eventually, his best bet is obviously to deny all claims and play it off like he's NOT the sk. | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
On February 02 2011 12:08 bumatlarge wrote: Well, before things get out of hand, hold this open can of worms for me. I am a detective Night 1: kitaman27 is Medic Night 2: Beneather is Vanilla Town Night 3: LunarDestiny is [black]Serial Killer[/black] What the hell is this shit? Analyze the meaning of this dt claim and ask yourself would a town aligned player do this claim. If Bumatlarge is telling the truth: -The final push for this dt claim is detecting that I am SK. But why would a town want to expose the SK. Mafia wouldn't choose to hit this presumed SK and target other town. -If Bumatlarge just want to lynch me, he could just have said that Lunar is SK or Mafia (don't know why he chose the former unless he is mafia and don't want lynching me to affect the presumed mafia count=5). Then the other two pieces of information is useless. What good would exposing the medic do? Nothing except for sparing him as lynch. As of now, claiming that Beneather is vanilla town is pointless since we are not lynching because of his bodyguard status. If you look at another view point that Bumatlarge is mafia and lying: He named me as SK to lynch me. Didn't just say I am mafia because it will bring the presumed mafia count down to 4 and be counter claimed by census. After Deconduo's death, only 1 of the 2 dog profile left is Beneather. Since dog meat is very likely to be a clue. He is trying to protect Beneather. The reason for Kitaman is medic is rolefishing. What he want Kitaman to do? Claim medic? And also the clue pointing at me. Those clues are even less convincing than the clues we found. I ask people to read his dt claim carefully and think of the motive for his claim (is it pro-town or anti-town). | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
OK, I'll even give you those clues you found in today's post. Where are the clues pointing at me from previous day post? You can't find any of them. | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On February 02 2011 13:13 Divinek wrote: allow me to ellaborate on my earlier point having TWO kp per cycle is not as beneficial to town, because we have less information. As you can tell thus far our kill selections have been off the mark. The longer the game goes on the more info we get (clues + analysis) so the fewer kills the better. THUS only mafia would want to keep an SK alive to limit the amount of info town can get from clues (as some clues go to sk) and just plain THE GAME ENDS SOONER Sure the game ends sooner,but now we dont have to ask vigis to hit inactives we can direct which inactives get hit by our SK and then focus the lynch on the scummiest target around, if we decide for some reason that we are going through people to fast we lynch lunar. I dont see what your issue with this plan is | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On February 02 2011 13:06 Divinek wrote: are you guys for fucking serious? BIG FOS on both of you an SK would never openly admit it and try to bargain with town, where would that get him? sure he'd live a few more days but he could NEVER win. Only mafia could reasonably want to keep an SK alive after they have been identified Mhmm, well he's got nothing to lose, he can do as we say for one night, as mafia is obviously winning at this point. We can't control him, but he's good for at least one night to be pro-town. I'm looking into a few people. These are people I find town as of now. It is also likely that a GF will be in the top three if my suspicions fail. 3. GMarshal 18. SiNiquity 30. Beneather 12. Kavdragon 14. Jackal58 I need analyses of everyone else done among this crew. 8. papapanda 10. Kenpachi 11. Coagulation 14. Jackal58 17. Mr. Wiggles 19. BrownBear 16. zerroth 20. Eti307 23. Impervious 24. Barundar 27. Divinek 28. CubEdIn 29. darmousseh They need to start contributing or provide proof that they have been this game. Once they do that, they can help analyze, and we can really get deeper into this game. I'd really love to know how many Blues we have to work with, maybe it might be time to diverge from using the census on Mafia numbers, Kav. That's one topic to discuss, but right now let's deal with the SK first. | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
On February 02 2011 13:26 GMarshal wrote: apparently you aren't willing to be reasonable LD, so here's whats probably going to happen you are going to hang and then mayor will do a census on SK if it reports zero then the DT is confirmed, otherwise we hang him So you are hanging me base on the sole reason that someone claim dt and say I am SK. Few problem in using the census to confirm me as SK: -How certain are you on the number of SK? -How certain are you that SK wasn't already lynched? | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On February 02 2011 13:18 LunarDestiny wrote: What the hell is this shit? Analyze the meaning of this dt claim and ask yourself would a town aligned player do this claim. If Bumatlarge is telling the truth: -The final push for this dt claim is detecting that I am SK. But why would a town want to expose the SK. Mafia wouldn't choose to hit this presumed SK and target other town. -If Bumatlarge just want to lynch me, he could just have said that Lunar is SK or Mafia (don't know why he chose the former unless he is mafia and don't want lynching me to affect the presumed mafia count=5). Then the other two pieces of information is useless. What good would exposing the medic do? Nothing except for sparing him as lynch. As of now, claiming that Beneather is vanilla town is pointless since we are not lynching because of his bodyguard status. If you look at another view point that Bumatlarge is mafia and lying: He named me as SK to lynch me. Didn't just say I am mafia because it will bring the presumed mafia count down to 4 and be counter claimed by census. After Deconduo's death, only 1 of the 2 dog profile left is Beneather. Since dog meat is very likely to be a clue. He is trying to protect Beneather. The reason for Kitaman is medic is rolefishing. What he want Kitaman to do? Claim medic? And also the clue pointing at me. Those clues are even less convincing than the clues we found. I ask people to read his dt claim carefully and think of the motive for his claim (is it pro-town or anti-town). | ||
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LunarDestiny
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bumatlarge
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On February 02 2011 13:31 LunarDestiny wrote: Bumtlarge, directly reply to that post of mine if you are truly town. We have time buddy, 48 hours to figure out what you are going to do and 48 hours for me to answer all the questions you have. | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
On February 02 2011 13:37 bumatlarge wrote: We have time buddy, 48 hours to figure out what you are going to do and 48 hours for me to answer all the questions you have. I want it now. I will not give you time for you and your buddy to disect the question. If you are town, then you will have no problem answering those questions. | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On February 02 2011 13:23 GMarshal wrote: Sure the game ends sooner,but now we dont have to ask vigis to hit inactives we can direct which inactives get hit by our SK and then focus the lynch on the scummiest target around, if we decide for some reason that we are going through people to fast we lynch lunar. I dont see what your issue with this plan is he has absolutely no reason to listen to us Assume he goes okay guys i am dah sk. IF he listens we know it's him and he dies, if he does not listen he dies. HE CANNOT WIN with either of these conditions (besides all previously stated wifom) So his best bet is to deny all claims against him obviously. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
Are those black shapes in the alcove bats? Is that shadow in the corner a black cat? The noises inside are a mystery. The scampering in the bush, a deer? That blood-curdling scream, nothing an animal could make. The second meat was really fatty and greasy, so the meat kind of breaks up in your mouth (Dog meat) A beast hunched over him, an alien form that I had never seen before. There may be dogs about Now going through profiles, here is everyone who have mention of a beast/animal: Papapanda -panda in name, very weak Coagulation- monkeys, very, very weak Jackal58- Name association, jackal's are similar to dogs, but I find name associations weak Mr. Wiggles- Calls himself a bear (A manly awesome one too) BrownBear- Also a bear :p (Name) Beneather- MasterChief Also, now that I've written this, it seems pretty bad for the dog clues. Deconduo/Pandain died, and if I recall correctly they were the other dog profile. This makes beneather seem more likely as scum if dog really is a clue. This would also mean he is GF, if bumatlarge is telling the truth. Proposition: If Beneather is mafia, we can keep him to kill whenever (Tonight, tomorrow, the next day, etx.), at our leisure. Mafia knows that we've zeroed in on him, so they're going to keep selecting him as one of their hitmen, and we'll keep seeing clues about dogs or master chief, among the others. Forever.  | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On February 02 2011 13:06 Divinek wrote: are you guys for fucking serious? BIG FOS on both of you an SK would never openly admit it and try to bargain with town, where would that get him? sure he'd live a few more days but he could NEVER win. Only mafia could reasonably want to keep an SK alive after they have been identified This is a scum deviation of town interest. FoS right back at you. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
Alright. Obviously pissed. Analyze the meaning of this dt claim and ask yourself would a town aligned player do this claim. If Bumatlarge is telling the truth: -The final push for this dt claim is detecting that I am SK. But why would a town want to expose the SK. Mafia wouldn't choose to hit this presumed SK and target other town. -If Bumatlarge just want to lynch me, he could just have said that Lunar is SK or Mafia (don't know why he chose the former unless he is mafia and don't want lynching me to affect the presumed mafia count=5). Then the other two pieces of information is useless. What good would exposing the medic do? Nothing except for sparing him as lynch. As of now, claiming that Beneather is vanilla town is pointless since we are not lynching because of his bodyguard status. We have yet to reduce KP. SK has not hit a single mafia according to Kav. Keeping SK is detrimental to town, and we can assume there is only one left. Kita is dead, and Beneather is a big suspect, I'd prefer to clear his name at the same time as exposing the SK. I don't believe mafia would hit him, as he would be a nice shield from a lynch or a vig. If you look at another view point that Bumatlarge is mafia and lying: He named me as SK to lynch me. Didn't just say I am mafia because it will bring the presumed mafia count down to 4 and be counter claimed by census. I am a detective, and you are not mafia, you are an SK. I'm not into the whole ambiguous statement gig. And you seem to be confusing your words? I should claim you as mafia as town so that census can tell me that you were not? You'll have to rephrase this. After Deconduo's death, only 1 of the 2 dog profile left is Beneather. Since dog meat is very likely to be a clue. He is trying to protect Beneather. Because he came back as Town BG. Unless he's GF, this is a red herring. It is possible for him to be a GF. The reason for Kitaman is medic is rolefishing. What he want Kitaman to do? Claim medic? :/ holes upon holes dude. And also the clue pointing at me. Those clues are even less convincing than the clues we found. I didn't point out that clue, Divine did, take this up with him. Looks possible though. I ask people to read his dt claim carefully and think of the motive for his claim (is it pro-town or anti-town). Reducing KP, or keeping this to myself. Sorry GM, lunar told me to. | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On February 02 2011 13:18 LunarDestiny wrote: + Show Spoiler + What the hell is this shit? Looks like a DT claim to me, but I'm no expert  Analyze the meaning of this dt claim and ask yourself would a town aligned player do this claim. To reduce the number of kps in the field and buy town more time? after all each non mafia death brings us one step closer to defeat If Bumatlarge is telling the truth: -The final push for this dt claim is detecting that I am SK. But why would a town want to expose the SK. Mafia wouldn't choose to hit this presumed SK and target other town. Of course not, if the DT points out the SK its so that town can hang him, nothing else -If Bumatlarge just want to lynch me, he could just have said that Lunar is SK or Mafia (don't know why he chose the former unless he is mafia and don't want lynching me to affect the presumed mafia count=5). Then the other two pieces of information is useless. What good would exposing the medic do? Nothing except for sparing him as lynch. As of now, claiming that Beneather is vanilla town is pointless since we are not lynching because of his bodyguard status. But his choice of checks makes sense, at least in my opinion, plus the Beneather check keeps us from hanging a bodyguard stupidly if this is true. Notice how he waited until the medic was dead (not that I noticed originally mind you) If you look at another view point that Bumatlarge is mafia and lying: He named me as SK to lynch me. Didn't just say I am mafia because it will bring the presumed mafia count down to 4 and be counter claimed by census. This is true but the census will also prove if you are SK or not After Deconduo's death, only 1 of the 2 dog profile left is Beneather. Since dog meat is very likely to be a clue. He is trying to protect Beneather. I could see this I guess, but after hanging you we will know weather or not he was lying, if he was then he just gave us two mafia for one townie The reason for Kitaman is medic is rolefishing. What he want Kitaman to do? Claim medic? Kitaman is dead as was so kindly pointed out by a bunch of people And also the clue pointing at me. Those clues are even less convincing than the clues we found. I'm tempted to ignore clues altogether (not really I'm just not good at finding them) but they seem to have been leading the town down a bad path, we haven't hung any mafia that we know of off clues, we might as well try the time tested DTs and behavioral analysis in conjunction with that for a day, no? I ask people to read his dt claim carefully and think of the motive for his claim (is it pro-town or anti-town). I just did, there you go Just my two cents. | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On February 02 2011 13:50 Jackal58 wrote: This is a scum deviation of town interest. FoS right back at you. have you read anything ive said? You just say something without explaining any reasoning behind it. That is a mafia way of posting to avoid slip ups because their reasoning is different naturally. | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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