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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On February 02 2011 13:55 Divinek wrote: have you read anything ive said? You just say something without explaining any reasoning behind it. That is a mafia way of posting to avoid slip ups because their reasoning is different naturally. I'm sorry. I assumed everybody here could read. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
Life's a bitch, ain't it. On February 02 2011 13:18 LunarDestiny wrote: Analyze the meaning of this dt claim and ask yourself would a town aligned player do this claim. If Bumatlarge is telling the truth: Because killing you = 1 less death every night? Come on. On February 02 2011 13:18 LunarDestiny wrote: -The final push for this dt claim is detecting that I am SK. But why would a town want to expose the SK. Mafia wouldn't choose to hit this presumed SK and target other town. Meanwhile, you just get to keep killing us. On February 02 2011 13:18 LunarDestiny wrote: -If Bumatlarge just want to lynch me, he could just have said that Lunar is SK or Mafia (don't know why he chose the former unless he is mafia and don't want lynching me to affect the presumed mafia count=5). Then the other two pieces of information is useless. What good would exposing the medic do? Nothing except for sparing him as lynch. As of now, claiming that Beneather is vanilla town is pointless since we are not lynching because of his bodyguard status. Medic is dead, thank you, try again. Also, it stops us from even discussing Beneather, so we don't waste our time chatting about him. On February 02 2011 13:18 LunarDestiny wrote: After Deconduo's death, only 1 of the 2 dog profile left is Beneather. Since dog meat is very likely to be a clue. He is trying to protect Beneather. Or the dog meat is a red herring. Or a number of other things. Yes, it's possible, but unlikely. On February 02 2011 13:18 LunarDestiny wrote: The reason for Kitaman is medic is rolefishing. What he want Kitaman to do? Claim medic? He can't talk, because he FUCKING DIED LAST NIGHT. On February 02 2011 13:18 LunarDestiny wrote: I ask people to read his dt claim carefully and think of the motive for his claim (is it pro-town or anti-town). I'm looking into it and reading the best thing that's happened to us all game. So, here's what I think we should do with this nugget of information. And yes, it does account for the fact that bum could be scum fucking with us. 1) We know there are 3 KP total in the game. 5 mafia means most likely 2 mafia KP. Therefore, there should only be 1 SK in the game since 1 SK = 1 KP, and 2 SK would = 2 SK would = either people have been getting protected and not telling us, or mafia has 1 KP split between 5 people (HIGHLY unlikely) 2) Therefore, we lynch LD today. He's obviously not going to be down with this plan and will likely stir a bunch of shit up. This doesn't mean we stop talking, we should analyze other people/think about our next move from here, but we lynch him today. 3) Tonight, Kav will census the number of SKs in the town. He's guaranteed to survive due to bodyguards still being alive. 4) If the SK count returns 0, we know bum was telling the truth. If it returns 1, bum is most likely lying. If it returns 2, bum is DEFINITELY lying and also insane. 1 means we should probably still lynch bum. So either way, we net a scum kill, either SK or mafia. Sounds like a win-win situation to me. Now, as a disclaimer, I'm high as shit right now, so I'm not gonna try and analyze. That said, let's get some analysis going ASAP. Just because our lynch is planned for today doesn't mean we should get complacent. See what happened last time we tried that? | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
Firstly, Divinek: D3 was SK in Pokemafia and he cooperated with town. Scared the crap out of us mafia at the time. So yes, SK's CAN work with the town. It's in their best interest to work with whoever is losing. Secondly, Are we going to lynch one of the most active and actually helpful players this game? REGARDLESS of whether he is SK or not, he CAN be an asset to the town. As such we should NOT autovote him. That being said, I'm not yet convinced that Bum is actually a DT. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On February 02 2011 14:08 Kavdragon wrote: Uh...Really guys? Look, LunarDestiny has been one of the biggest assets to the town. Beneather had looked really freaking scummy, and has clues agianst him. (If he's GF, why the hell would the mafia send him as their hitman? Bad logic). Kitaman is dead, and can't tell us anything. Firstly, Divinek: D3 was SK in Pokemafia and he cooperated with town. Scared the crap out of us mafia at the time. So yes, SK's CAN work with the town. It's in their best interest to work with whoever is losing. Secondly, Are we going to lynch one of the most active and actually helpful players this game? REGARDLESS of whether he is SK or not, he CAN be an asset to the town. As such we should NOT autovote him. That being said, I'm not yet convinced that Bum is actually a DT. This is all true, but the way to confirm bum as DT is to lynch LD, and I really think 1 less KP is worth having 1 less active player. Especially since now that he might be scum, it colors everything he says as potentially misleading, which is bad. To blindly trust in bum's DT claim is bad, but to blindly trust that everything LD has said is in town's best interests is also bad. The best course of action is to figure out who's telling the truth and who's a liar. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On February 02 2011 14:08 Kavdragon wrote: Uh...Really guys? Look, LunarDestiny has been one of the biggest assets to the town. Beneather had looked really freaking scummy, and has clues agianst him. (If he's GF, why the hell would the mafia send him as their hitman? Bad logic). Kitaman is dead, and can't tell us anything. Firstly, Divinek: D3 was SK in Pokemafia and he cooperated with town. Scared the crap out of us mafia at the time. So yes, SK's CAN work with the town. It's in their best interest to work with whoever is losing. Secondly, Are we going to lynch one of the most active and actually helpful players this game? REGARDLESS of whether he is SK or not, he CAN be an asset to the town. As such we should NOT autovote him. That being said, I'm not yet convinced that Bum is actually a DT. You really going there? Seriously? For Reals? We have a scum mayor? My mind is full of shit atm. I'm gong to bed. Your post just fucked me up.  | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
I'm going to throw this out there, since this a clue based analysis game, its quite possible that there are no dts much like in the minimafia game, as of right now I am not convinced that Lunar is the SK but it seems to me like the mafia would be running a very real risk by making a DT claim, especially if Beneather is mafia. another way to check if the DT is telling the truth is to hang Beneather and take a census of the mafia if Beneather flips not mafia then the DT was being honest, else he too is mafia. However is Lunar worth more than a bodyguard? At this point we have some hard choices to make, and as always I suggest we take a good look at peoples behavior and the clues to figure stuff out | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
-Kitaman is medic -Beneather is town -LunarDestiny is SK We have yet to reduce KP. SK has not hit a single mafia according to Kav. Keeping SK is detrimental to town, and we can assume there is only one left. Kita is dead, and Beneather is a big suspect, I'd prefer to clear his name at the same time as exposing the SK. I don't believe mafia would hit him, as he would be a nice shield from a lynch or a vig. You say town have yet to kill a mafia. Then why is keeping SK alive detrimental to town? SK wins if he is the only person alive in the end. Given the current situation (kav is not lying and mafia count is 5), it is in SK's interest to try and kill mafia. If SK keeps on killing town, he will lose. Kita is dead. Yes, my fault there for not noticing. Ok, that is just another situation that dt checked a dead person. We'll skip this since there is no way to proving. For Beneather, town have say that Beneather won't be lynched. The deal of Deconduo makes Beneather the prime lynch target. I'll talk more about Beneather below. I am a detective, and you are not mafia, you are an SK. I'm not into the whole ambiguous statement gig. And you seem to be confusing your words? I should claim you as mafia as town so that census can tell me that you were not? You'll have to rephrase this. That statement about is not for you but for others to think in a different way. Because he came back as Town BG. Unless he's GF, this is a red herring. It is possible for him to be a GF. So you think the whole dog meat thing is a red herring. The mods had to google both "human meat" and "dog meat taste" and use it as red herring. So are you convinced that "dog meat" is a clue? -If yes, then the other dog related person, Beneather is mafia. Why are you claiming to protect him. -If no. Then mods really went out their ways to confuse town. As I pointed out earlier, my mistake of not noticing Kitaman is dead. Are we on the same page that town is losing and it is in SK's best interest to hit mafia? Killing SK means reducing KP towards killing mafia. | ||
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Impervious
Canada4211 Posts
On February 02 2011 14:13 Jackal58 wrote: You really going there? Seriously? For Reals? We have a scum mayor? My mind is full of shit atm. I'm gong to bed. Your post just fucked me up. That was one of the things I was worried about at the beginning..... Fuck..... And with the way this has been going, it makes quite a bit of sense..... So, if that's the case, what would our best course of action be? | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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Impervious
Canada4211 Posts
Does it really make any sense that we haven't had a single fucking Mafia kill yet? There's something fishy about vig and SK hits not hitting a mafia at all (especially since any decent SK would be thinking that the mafia is winning, and therefore try to kill scum instead, and the clue last night really signals that a vig made a hit). The only way that could make any sense (without some extreme luck by the mafia) was if the mayor was lying to us. And if he was, it would be very, very easy to turn us against the wrong people..... | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
This is just something to keep in mind as we make choices. | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On February 02 2011 14:33 Impervious wrote: Think about it - look at how people have been voting, look at how the clues have been leading us in the wrong direction..... Does it really make any sense that we haven't had a single fucking Mafia kill yet? There's something fishy about vig and SK hits not hitting a mafia at all (especially since any decent SK would be thinking that the mafia is winning, and therefore try to kill scum instead, and the clue last night really signals that a vig made a hit). The only way that could make any sense (without some extreme luck by the mafia) was if the mayor was lying to us. And if he was, it would be very, very easy to turn us against the wrong people..... I agree that a scummy mayor would screw us over big time and that its possible that Kav is scum, however it seems to me that if he is we have no way of reaching a conclusion either way, if he is mafia then we are essentially done as we have no way of verifying kills and mafia can just steer us however they wish. Since census is such a brutally essential part of our arsenal I need really good evidence against the Mayor before I even consider hanging him. | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
I live in a subway under the city yeah thats how i like it bitch, dark and gritty you look at me and go "what a pity" but fuck you pal my life aint that shitty Compare his profile to the clues. -Subway under the city. The appearance looks very similar to a cave. -His living condition is very poor Day 1 As the host brought around the drinks, as the the crowd crescendos with laughter, as the band broke out into another song... I felt something was wrong. Did the lights in the ceiling just black out? Are those black shapes in the alcove bats? Is that shadow in the corner a black cat? Day 2 Every city has its dark place, the area that no one in their right mind will go. Ours is the forest, the woods that loom in the center. Away from the campfire, away from the tents, away from the city. The thick, ancient trunks loom, the undisturbed bark hard as stone, the tangled roots cloying at uncareful limbs. No one knows what happens there, and certainly no one would venture there in the night. Day 3 There is only so far that I am willing to plunge. There is one place on this god-forsaken island. One place that I refuse to go. It is the caves. Those lightless caverns. I’ve tried avoiding it. But one night I heard screams, echoing off each other in that dark expanse and making their contorted way into the night. I made my way into the caves, and saw all that I needed to see. On the edge of the light, ilovejonn’s body sprawled on the floor. A beast hunched over him, an alien form that I had never seen before. “I’m sorry. I do this for the greater good,” it growled, and then the ground cracked open under it, and it disappeared. | ||
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Impervious
Canada4211 Posts
If so, the DT could check tonight to confirm. Then again, how can we prove that the "DT" isn't lying? | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
but i wouldnt say hes 100% confirmed DT but you sound like you admitted to being SK earlier. | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
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