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Pandain
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January 04 2011 23:38 GMT
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[14:43] <Mepak_Darth> sup
[14:44] <Pandain> so meapak/darth, which one are you, really?
[14:44] <Pandain> seems more like darth to me
[14:44] <Pandain> considering he mispelled meapak, and then added darth
[14:44] <Mepak_Darth> This is Tree, and woops
[14:45] <Pandain> kk what was the title of my pm to you
[14:46] <Pandain> ????
[14:46] <Mepak_Darth> or "hi"
[14:46] <Mepak_Darth> "EffOrt is so handsome"
[14:46] <Pandain> O.o
[14:46] <Pandain> wtf with the last part
[14:46] <Pandain> but
[14:46] <Mepak_Darth> amirite?
[14:46] <Pandain> anyway
[14:46] <Pandain> why are u suspiciouiis of GC
[14:48] <Mepak_Darth> His last post is totally ridiculous
[14:49] <Mepak_Darth> from my slapshod browsing of the thread, mafia is probably seraph, darth, GC and someone else
[14:49] <Pandain> the thing about seraph
[14:49] <Pandain> is that he was like
[14:49] <Pandain> "Annul is probably mafia"
[14:50] <Pandain> plus why are you voting meepak then
[14:50] <Pandain> if you don't think he's mafia
[14:50] <Pandain> WTF IM A QUEEN
[14:50] <Pandain> FADOODLE YEAH
[14:51] <Mepak_Darth> he might be, and I don't take kindly to "I'm gonna enjoy flipping cause im green lololol" posts
[14:51] <Pandain> why do you think meepak is mafia, just because of that?
[14:51] <Mepak_Darth> nah, he's been on my list from the beginning
[14:52] <Pandain> why
[14:52] <Mepak_Darth> He's gone down in priority, but we have the votes, so I'd rather take him out now
[14:52] <Mepak_Darth> why?
[14:52] <Mepak_Darth> I dunno, seemed scummy to me
[14:53] <Pandain> would you rather lynch someone else?
[14:53] <Mepak_Darth> Not really, there a whole bunch of people whom we have to take out at some point
[14:53] <Mepak_Darth> might as well start now
[14:54] <Pandain> theoretically if you could
[14:54] <Pandain> who would you
[14:54] <Mepak_Darth> If you can give me a convincing role based reason such as "He's the Bus Driver 100%" then I might switch
[14:54] <Mepak_Darth> I would lynch Seraph
[14:56] <Mepak_Darth> On another note
[14:57] <Mepak_Darth> I have somewhere I have to be in ten minutes, and I'm thinking now would be a good time to get out of my pajamas
[14:57] <Mepak_Darth> Happy hunting!
[14:58] <Pandain> ok
[15:17] <Pandain> anyone else here?
[15:19] <GGQ> a bit ya
[15:20] <Pandain> what do you think about gc?
[15:20] <Pandain> read my post?
[15:21] <GGQ> working on it
[15:21] <GGQ> while watching today's GSL
[15:21] <Pandain> i need to buy those tickets :/
[15:21] <GGQ> boxer played today :D
[15:22] <Pandain> i heard he got like 4 OCs and mass muled vs hyperdub :p
[15:23] <GGQ> havent seen him yet, still watching the code A games
[15:24] <GGQ> and i'd really rather not switch off of meapak
[15:24] <Pandain> y
[15:25] <GGQ> i think he's mafia
[15:25] <GGQ> also shockeyy isn't getting much limelight, if i die and you are still alive, keep him in mind
[15:29] <Pandain> whos your other vote
[15:30] <GGQ> it's on themango, following my gut
[15:30] <GGQ> i'd be more willing to change that one
[15:30] <Pandain> i dont think mango is mafia, remember this is his first time online mafia
[15:39] <GGQ> yeah i'm voting for my gut on him cuz i want to see more from him than what he's shown so far
[15:40] <GGQ> but i can change that vote to georgeclooney if you like
[15:40] <GGQ> i see GC as a coinflip though
[15:40] <GGQ> he seems equally likely to be a bored trolling townie
[15:40] <GGQ> as a mafia
[15:40] <GGQ> to me
[15:41] <Pandain> i really have a good feel on him right now
[15:41] <Pandain> he could be trolling i admit, but i highly doubt it
[15:52] <Pandain> ok then can u change?
[16:06] <Pandain> hihihihi 3000 win sc2 player
[16:06] <Pandain> who are u?
[16:07] <DarkVoice> just an obs :p
[16:07] <GGQ> "/scan"
[16:08] <DarkVoice> You become blinded by what you have seen
[16:12] <Pandain> *medic uses restoration on ggq
[16:12] <Pandain> now thats a throwback
[16:13] <DarkVoice> lol
[16:18] <barry> he hey
[16:18] <barry> whos darkvoice?
[16:19] <Pandain> either a smurf or a person whos just obsing
[16:19] <GGQ> who is barry
[16:19] <GGQ> is another good question
[16:19] <Pandain> barundar
[16:19] <GGQ> oh
[16:19] <barry> indeed
[16:19] <barry>
[16:20] <Pandain> but anyway
[16:20] <barry> im kinda embarassed over myself with regards to meapak
[16:20] <barry> came across as town on irc, and he trusted me fully
[16:20] <barry> but that just freaked me out :/
[16:20] <Pandain> He's really suspicious to me actually
[16:21] <Pandain> but I want to wait a bit more, to analyze him
[16:21] <barry> ye
[16:21] <barry> i dont like zergling is still alive
[16:21] <Pandain> he's done a HECK of scummy things(accuse insanious, accuse lsb, defend annul, then attack him and then unvote)
[16:21] <Pandain> but I just have a hunch he's town
[16:21] <Pandain> zergling I'm wondering aobut
[16:22] <Pandain> I was under the impression he's town, and still think so overall
[16:22] <Pandain> but he's definitely somewhat suspicious
[16:22] <Pandain> however I'm much more confident in the lynches now
[16:22] <Pandain> Honestly what do you think about darth? It's like orgolove, why isn't he defending himself?
[16:22] <Pandain> well, at least orgo did SOMEWHAT(by attacking me :p)
[16:24] <barry> honestly dont like lynching darth
[16:25] <Pandain> I just feel like if he were town
[16:25] <Pandain> he would be posting more, trying more to get involved
[16:25] <barry> you know i did provoke him right
[16:25] <Pandain> plus ryu was suspicious ing eneral
[16:25] <Pandain> how so?
[16:25] <Pandain> in pms or what
[16:25] <barry> both in thread and pms
[16:25] <Pandain> can i see ur pms with him
[16:25] <Pandain> also have any with GC? or seraph?
[16:26] <barry> GC? lol
[16:26] <Pandain> I'm getting more suspicious of seraph, but first of all have to compare him with previous games before a final call
[16:26] <barry> got a few with seraph
[16:26] <Pandain> george clooney
[16:26] <barry> i know
[16:26] <barry> but why would I write him?
[16:26] <barry> :D
[16:26] <Pandain> hehe
[16:27] <Pandain> watching tlo's stream?
[16:27] <barry> nope, leveling in wow
[16:27] <Pandain> i saw that on the side, and i just like was "YEAH BOI"
[16:27] <Pandain> ewww
[16:27] <barry> hehe
[16:28] <barry> what did the crazy german do?
[16:28] <Pandain> ling dropped
[16:29] <barry> oO
[16:29] <Pandain> but he has epic music playing
[16:29] <MrWiggles> Harro
[16:30] <Pandain> hai mr. wiggles
[16:30] <Pandain> what are your thoughts right now
[16:32] <LunarDestiny> I actually got in this time
[16:32] <Pandain> yayayayayya
[16:32] <Pandain> hihi lunar
[16:32] <barry> w00t
[16:32] <barry> hey everyone
[16:32] <Pandain> what are your thoughts right now lunar?
[16:32] <LunarDestiny> i am real too
[16:32] <MrWiggles> my thoughts, hmm....
[16:33] <Pandain> here i'll help
[16:33] <MrWiggles> currently
[16:33] <MrWiggles> I'm suspicious of Meapack, George_Clooney, Darth, Mango
[16:33] <Pandain> what are ya'll thoughts on: seraph, GC, meapak, Mr. Zergling, and the town circle idea
[16:34] <barry> well i think i fucked up on meapak
[16:34] <barry> let my suspicions get in the way of rational thinking
[16:35] <Pandain> no rational thinking SHOULD lead u to meapak being scum
[16:35] <Pandain> or at least logic
[16:35] <barry> only the voting
[16:35] <Pandain> his actions have been scummy, but the way he carries that out, and his intereactions with both me and you
[16:35] <Pandain> indicate hes town
[16:35] <barry> yup
[16:35] <Pandain> in addition he refused medic protection so
[16:35] <barry> yeah thats a big plus
[16:36] <Pandain> LOL I ask them for their thoughts and then we start discussing
[16:36] <Pandain> but what do you think wiggles/lunar
[16:36] <barry> :X
[16:37] <LunarDestiny> Meapak was on to Mr.Zergling the entire game so they both can't be mafia. I still think darth is a threat but we don't necessary have to deal with him right now
[16:37] <Pandain> u think zergling is mafia?
[16:38] <LunarDestiny> I am kind of convinced that GC is a real cerebrity since 3 of his 21 post say so
[16:38] <barry> lol
[16:39] <MrWiggles> woops lol
[16:40] <MrWiggles> Just went back and reread all of GGQ's posts, then realized you wrote GC
[16:40] <MrWiggles> brb
[16:40] <Pandain> well
[16:40] <Pandain> what do you think of ggq then
[16:40] <MrWiggles> not GG
[16:40] <MrWiggles> From just his posting he seems pretty town
[16:40] <MrWiggles> He's been posting suspicions it seems
[16:40] <MrWiggles> He's not afraid to point fingers at people he thinks are mafia
[16:41] <MrWiggles> He's been contributing
[16:41] <Pandain> what do you think about GC. Shouldn't be hard to skim his posts
[16:41] <LunarDestiny_> i just got dropped
[16:41] <MrWiggles> 1 sec, lemme look at them
[16:41] <LunarDestiny_> restarting firefox
[16:42] <barry> i bet darkvoice is flamewheel!
[16:42] <Pandain> I bet he's bill murray. Haunting me from the (grave?)
[16:43] <DarkVoice> close, I'm actually flamewheel/bill murray's love child
[16:43] <LunarDestiny_> .
[16:44] <MrWiggles> Cool
[16:44] <MrWiggles> You have awesome parents
[16:44] <MrWiggles> Ok, so GC
[16:44] <barry> except that flamewheel guy
[16:45] <Pandain> go on wiggls
[16:45] <MrWiggles> He's posted a limited amount of times, he's said he's a noob plenty of times, and has claimed green like 4 times. He has contributed basically NOTHING to the discussion, and in his last post I thought he was going to tell us he had a stroke. So, I think he's prolly mafia, or else a really bored townie.
[16:46] <Pandain> look at his last game
[16:46] <Pandain> salem mafia
[16:46] <MrWiggles> ok
[16:46] <Pandain> he had like 5 posts before he got modkilled
[16:47] <barry> pretty much same stuff, think he had one good post in that game though
[16:48] <MrWiggles> yeah, so it seems
[16:48] <LunarDestiny_> Again I am convinced that he is a cerebrity or a cerebrity wannabe but i'll analysis him as the former.
[16:48] <Pandain> look at his last two posts
[16:48] <Pandain> what do you notice about them and whats different from this game?
[16:48] <LunarDestiny_> it is impossible to classify him as mafia or inactive town.
[16:49] <LunarDestiny_> EDIT: it is impossible to classify him BETWEEN mafia or inactive town.
[16:49] <Pandain> Last game, his last two posts in salem mafia(before he got modkilled)
[16:49] <Pandain> they indicate to me that he was at least trying
[16:50] <Rebirth> pandain, I will get to be a queen soon.
[16:50] <Pandain> look, he was asking questions about the game, and gave his thoughts in the final post
[16:50] <Rebirth> Just wait for it.
[16:50] <MrWiggles> yeah, he was saying actual opinions
[16:50] <Pandain> he has done nothing in this game
[16:50] <Rebirth> Wait, were you just a muta or a lurker?
[16:50] <Pandain> @rebirth, i still have to be a muta :p
[16:50] <Pandain> u were already a queen me thinks
[16:50] <Rebirth> DAMN IT
[16:50] <Pandain> i was a lurker
[16:50] <MrWiggles> What did he flip after the modkill, I can't find it?
[16:50] <Rebirth> I will be a guardian then!
[16:50] <Pandain> =D
[16:50] <Pandain> dt
[16:50] <Rebirth> you h ave more posts then me, then I realized you have had half the time on this site
[16:51] <Rebirth> and its a combo time/post count
[16:52] <Pandain> yup
[16:52] <Pandain> all thanks to mafia forum
[16:52] <Pandain> like my first game, in which i probably had over 300 posts and once octoplet posted
[16:53] <Pandain> well what do you guys think about voting GC?
[16:53] <Pandain> instead of meapak(or someone else theoretically)
[16:53] <barry> got zero read on a few players
[16:53] <barry> GC is one of them
[16:53] <MrWiggles> How sure are we GC is mafia, can we tell besides he's not actually trying this game?
[16:54] <barry> we havent seen him as mafia
[16:54] <Pandain> im pretty sure
[16:54] <Pandain> read my analysis
[16:54] <LunarDestiny_> GC will probably not contribute any else in this game.
[16:55] <Pandain> The difference between last game and this game is while both were lurking, last game he actually contributed
[16:55] <Pandain> this game he is trying to appear as a bad townie
[16:55] <Pandain> when really its obvious he's not cause he's trying too hard
[16:55] <MrWiggles> yeah
[16:56] <LunarDestiny_> But i want to ask if we lynch him today, what do we do with darth, zergling, or meapak?
[16:56] <Pandain> i say stick with darth
[16:56] <Pandain> and let zergling and meapak live for another day
[16:56] <Pandain> i really think we should check meapak
[16:57] <barry> without naming anyone, has a second DT claimed to you?
[16:57] <Pandain> no
[16:57] <MrWiggles> Do we really want to lynch two lurkers though?
[16:57] <MrWiggles> or is that good
[16:57] <LunarDestiny_> as the game go on, framer will become more powerful and dt checking these high profile players are big risk
[16:57] <Pandain> i agree
[16:57] <Pandain> i probably shouldn't have said I/other dts were going to check meapak
[16:58] <Pandain> @wiggles, I have a high feeling they're lurking
[16:58] <Pandain> we want to lynch lurkers, just not inactives
[16:58] <LunarDestiny_> lurkers should be dt checked since they have lower chance of being framed
[16:59] <Pandain> that'll take way to long
[16:59] <Pandain> especially since if they continue roleblockign me
[16:59] <MrWiggles> I know, that's why I called them lurkers =P. Was just asking if it was a good move to hit two, and not one and a semi-active we think is red, unless there is no one we can confidently finger as red
[16:59] <Pandain> thats one check at a time
[16:59] <Pandain> at the time theres no one i can confidently finger as red
[17:00] <MrWiggles> So we kill two lurkers, and that can actually motivate the rest to start posting more
[17:00] <MrWiggles> too
[17:00] <barry> thing is, i think darth can be motivated to post more, he already has started
[17:00] <Pandain> not really though
[17:00] <LunarDestiny_> he only posted once after
[17:00] <barry> after what?
[17:01] <LunarDestiny_> massive vote on him
[17:01] <Pandain> i was thinking alot during orgo why a mafia might not defend himself.
[17:01] <Pandain> town almost always would, but i was thinking so would mafia
[17:01] <MrWiggles> But is that him wanting to contribute, or being scared because we're targeting lurkers
[17:01] <Pandain> so i was confused
[17:01] <Pandain> but then i realized the only reason someone wouldn't defend themselves were if they were 1. totally inactive/didn't know being lynched. 2. Don't care about the game. 3. Know they could be saved
[17:01] <Pandain> #1,#2 don't apply to darth
[17:02] <Pandain> That leaves #3
[17:02] <Pandain> I think meapak and zergling were going to be voted ahead of him
[17:02] <Pandain> and then two townies die
[17:02] <Pandain> part of the reason why I believe meapak
[17:02] <barry> its alot of meta, but yeah it doesnt seem like anyone really cares but meapak
[17:03] <barry> and he doesnt care either now
[17:03] <LunarDestiny_> if darth didn't defend himself or didn't vote on the other two highest(zergling and meapak) i will consider him as lirking inactive but he did try to save himself with some effort
[17:03] <Pandain> one post
[17:04] <LunarDestiny_> for the meapak/zergling situation, they can't both be mafia
[17:04] <barry> nope
[17:04] <barry> they can both be town though
[17:04] <LunarDestiny_> so if we can be should that one is mafia and kill him in some way, the other is town
[17:05] <LunarDestiny_> yes, they both can be town but they have the high possibility of being mafia at this point
[17:07] <MrWiggles> yeah
[17:07] <LunarDestiny_> so if we are ever going to lynch one of them, the other shouldn't be lynched on the same day
[17:07] <Insanious> happy?
[17:07] <MrWiggles> It's too bad there's a framer, because we can't trust mafia DT checks as 100%
[17:07] <barry> zomg so many people
[17:07] <Pandain> hi insanious
[17:07] <Pandain> HAI AIDNAI
[17:07] <Insanious> hi pandain\
[17:08] <barry> aidnai wrong game?
[17:08] <Pandain> we're discussing people now
[17:08] <Pandain> insanious, what you think of meapak in particular?
[17:08] <Insanious> he's scum
[17:08] <Insanious> i posted an analysis long time ago
[17:08] <Insanious> and still think he's scum,
[17:09] <Pandain> There have been some pro town elements in him that make me want to wait to lynch him now
[17:09] <Pandain> like he refused medic protection
[17:09] <Insanious> ...
[17:09] <Pandain> his pms with me and barundar show townie traits
[17:09] <Insanious> doesnt need medic protection if hes a red
[17:09] <Pandain> mafia want to soak up medic protection
[17:09] <Insanious> yes, but they want to look like town too
[17:09] <Pandain> theres a chance he just didn't want to "claim" blue but I think by doing that it would've actually been the best move to do if mafia
[17:10] <Insanious> i've thought he was red since the LSB lynch...
[17:10] <aidnai> hi guyz, i'm not gonna chat it up, just gonna read some of this if I have time
[17:10] <aidnai> shits and giggles, you know the drill
[17:12] <Pandain> what do you guys think about darth?
[17:12] <LunarDestiny_> not playing to his true potential
[17:12] <Insanious> for 1 he's a replacement, which to me makes him less likely to be a red... (not 100% not a red, but less likely)
[17:12] <LunarDestiny_> in other games he lurked, but he still post good stuff
[17:13] <LunarDestiny_> Do you guys think that annul is really piss at the game around his death?
[17:13] <Insanious> i do...
[17:13] <Insanious> he was godfather and died day 2 along with a WoG red
[17:13] <Insanious> that sucks
[17:13] <barry> i did everything i could to make him pissed off
[17:14] <LunarDestiny_> okay. I once play as mafia and even though that some of my members are lurking hardcore, I was not pissed at them
[17:14] <Insanious> the difference is one of his members was mod killed for not playing
[17:14] <LunarDestiny_> In my experience, mafia don't get pissed off with their fellow members
[17:14] <Insanious> what it seems to me, is that he was pissed that his mafia mate didnt show up to even vote
[17:15] <GGQ> notice what he said about mafia not bothering to do anything except vote for themselves or not vote at all. the only person who voted for himself, iirc was shockeyy
[17:15] <LunarDestiny_> I don't think that is the true reason why he is pissed off.
[17:15] <Insanious> probaly pissed that he died day 2
[17:15] <LunarDestiny_> Look at the replacement for modkill
[17:16] <LunarDestiny_> I think they are Dr.H, RoL, and drath
[17:16] <barry> i was a replacement
[17:16] <LunarDestiny_> so annul might be pissed that town got the high skill people
[17:16] <barry> dont think rol was
[17:16] <MrWiggles> Dr.H and RoL were bothe town
[17:16] <LunarDestiny_> both Dr.H and RoL who died replaced town
[17:17] <MrWiggles> Also annul was voted godfather, so why did they pick him? Have we thought about that?
[17:17] <LunarDestiny_> If we can be sure Annul is piss around the time after his death, we can use it to analysis
[17:17] <Pandain> cause after getting lsb lynched, he was likely to be checked
[17:17] <MrWiggles> I'm not sure how gf is normally chosen
[17:17] <MrWiggles> ok, so was it just a move to save him?
[17:18] <MrWiggles> Cause that seems a little short-sighted
[17:18] <MrWiggles> because he could easily have said he was framed because there was a lot of contreversy around hgim and he was likely to be checked
[17:18] <Insanious> guys... GF was picked night 2... why? so that when Annul was checked he would show up as town
[17:18] <LunarDestiny_> Mafia often vote their best players or new player as their gf
[17:19] <LunarDestiny_> Annul can pick what ever role he choose
[17:19] <MrWiggles> how many games has annul played?
[17:19] <LunarDestiny_> like 3?
[17:20] <MrWiggles> ok
[17:20] <LunarDestiny_> i believe he is 2-1 or 1-2
[17:20] <barry> he raped town as godfather in... i think it was insane mafia?
[17:20] <LunarDestiny_> He did host HP mafia which makes me think he is experienced with the game
[17:20] <barry> he plays alot on irc as well
[17:22] <MrWiggles> I'm just wondering, because if for example annul was one of the most experienced players, and was chosen gf. Then *if* his rage was real and he was mad at his lynching, it would seem his whole team is almost all inexperienced/lurking players. Those two facts correlate. Other mafia are inexperienced, they pick him, he gets lynched, rages at his lurking, inexperienced team.
[17:22] <MrWiggles> Does this make sense or am I retarded?
[17:22] <LunarDestiny_> It make sense the more I think about it
[17:23] <GGQ> that's just what i assumed right away
[17:23] <LunarDestiny_> If that is the case, we will be dealing with inactive mafia the rest of the game
[17:23] <barry> to be honest that might be why there was no resistance to lynching annul ._.
[17:23] <Pandain> lets not go too far into wifom though
[17:23] <MrWiggles> But there could still be maybe 1or 2 experienced players who were mafia, but wanted annul to be gf
[17:23] <Pandain> you can fake rage, and now we're saying "would mafia have picked most expierenced player or what"
[17:24] <Pandain> and i think gf was picked Night ONE
[17:24] <GGQ> yeah that's what i was thinking. it's too dangerous to base everyone on wifom
[17:24] <GGQ> just keep it in mind
[17:24] <MrWiggles> yeah
[17:24] <GGQ> everything*
[17:25] <MrWiggles> I'm not saying to base all our votes on this speculation, but if we vote for darth and gc tonight and one/both flip red, it could help
[17:25] <MrWiggles> if the rage was faked though, then at least 1 other mafia is an active, experienced player.
[17:26] <barry> well the closer we get to lylo, the more dangerous it is having people around we cant really trust
[17:26] <barry> and since we got kinda lucky, it might be worth taking out inactives now
[17:26] <Insanious> meapak or brocket... one or both = scum, i can feel it
[17:27] <LunarDestiny_> Annul's post: "i really cant win when my teammate doesnt care enough to vote for anyone other than himself and/or vote at all. its utterly ridiculous. it ruins games. we would probably play on if we were only down one. but two?"
[17:27] <LunarDestiny_> how about we use a lynch to confirm if he is really raging
[17:27] <Insanious> how
[17:27] <LunarDestiny_> we can lynch an lurker also
[17:27] <LunarDestiny_> "vote for anyone other than himself and/or vote at all"
[17:28] <Insanious> thats tevo btw
[17:28] <Insanious> tevo voted himself night 1, and didnt vote at all night 2
[17:29] <Pandain> note its "teamMATE" not plural
[17:29] <MrWiggles> but then again, he could have been talking specifically about tevo only
[17:29] <Pandain> unless u mistyped
[17:29] <MrWiggles> yeah
[17:29] <LunarDestiny_> wait, Annul did use the term and/or, so he still have some sense in him.
[17:30] <barry> should we get back to the game?
[17:31] <LunarDestiny_> I like how there are people reading this and not saying anything
[17:32] <MrWiggles> lol
[17:32] <MrWiggles> well aidnai, and Rebirth can't really talk. Don't know who dark voice is, but if it's flamewheel he can't talk, so the only lurker would be mango
[17:33] <LunarDestiny_> Why would people login with their TL name and not say anything to appear scummy. Are they trying to frame someone?
[17:33] <MrWiggles> dunno
[17:33] <MrWiggles> he could just be afk
[17:34] <MrWiggles> and I'm not at it
[17:34] <MrWiggles> I know that I sit in here sometimes all day, but that's just cause I leave my comp on
[17:37] <Pandain> anyway
[17:37] <Pandain> wiggles who u gonna vote for
[17:37] <Pandain> also what do you guys think about claiming to opz
[17:38] <MrWiggles> Not meapack, cause I'd rather wait for a check or something
[17:38] <MrWiggles> I've claimed to both you and opz
[17:38] <MrWiggles> I might just go for the GC and darth vote
[17:41] <barry> what about you luna?
[17:41] <barry> and insanious?
[17:42] <LunarDestiny_> I won't change my vote off darth unless something big changes my mind
[17:42] <LunarDestiny_> For Mr.Zergling, I am voting him because his activity dropped after annul died.
[17:43] <Pandain> what do you think about claiming to opz?
[17:43] <LunarDestiny_> I really want him to join the chat channel and prove that he is capable of doing analysis without someone's help
[17:44] <barry> opz is fine if he can not share it with others
[17:44] <LunarDestiny_> i'll claim to opz since mafia won't take the risk of fake claiming
[17:44] <LunarDestiny_> but i am afraid opz will leak information
[17:45] <LunarDestiny_> and I don't think opz will be active and will be able to coordinate town
[17:45] <barry> would rather pandain coordinated indeed
[17:46] <Pandain> the problem is I'm not confirmed yet :p
[17:46] <barry> u sorta are
[17:46] <barry> annul raged on you
[17:47] <Pandain> it could be epic mafia set up :p
[17:49] <barry> yeah...
[17:49] <barry> and you also suggested killing annul...
[17:49] <barry> if you want to wifom the shit out of everything you can, but...
[17:49] <Pandain> Just saying to be safe
[17:50] <MrWiggles> Who would think of a mafia who would kill his own godfather? It's the perfect plan =P
[17:50] <Pandain> I'll take anything I get cause I love feeling powerful/in control but just saying it would actually(well might) be dumb to claim to me
[17:51] <Pandain> (hint hint claim to me XD)
[17:51] <MrWiggles> Even people who claim can't *really* be trusted except for some who can prove what they are and be verified, otherwise we need to wait on Dt checks, right?
[17:52] <barry> and with framer not even then ^^
[17:52] <barry> its only interesting if pandain can coordinate some medic action
[17:52] <MrWiggles> Well if they come back blue or green they are that haha
[17:52] <MrWiggles> if a medic protects you, are you notified?
[17:53] <Pandain> no unless u were hit
[17:53] <MrWiggles> ok
[17:54] <MrWiggles> I thought you might be able to verify medics based on confirmed town who said they were protected and who the medic said they protected
[17:54] <MrWiggles> but apparently not
[17:56] <Pandain> wiggles vote now, mmkay?
[17:56] <MrWiggles> kk
[17:58] <MrWiggles> Done
[17:58] <MrWiggles> Do you know what the vote counts are?
[17:58] <MrWiggles> meapack:10
[17:59] <MrWiggles> darth:10
[18:00] <Pandain> clooney?
[18:00] <MrWiggles> GC:6
[18:00] <MrWiggles> someone should post in thread we are coordinating on GC instead of Meapack for now?
[18:01] <Pandain> GGQ and insanious u need to unvote mepak
[18:01] <Insanious> why i want meapak to die
[18:02] <MrWiggles> 5 people have votes on zergling that are basically wasteful now too
[18:02] <MrWiggles> if we really want meapack to stay for tonight
[18:06] <DarthThienAn> y'all so noob
[18:06] <Pandain> also
[18:06] <Pandain> HAI DARTH
[18:06] <Pandain> omg
[18:06] <Pandain> <3
[18:06] <DarthThienAn> sup
[18:06] <Pandain> u finally on
[18:06] <Pandain> why no contributing
[18:06] <Pandain> ?
[18:06] <DarthThienAn> ya me good lurker
[18:07] <DarthThienAn> me no want to read
[18:07] <DarthThienAn> 40 pages
[18:07] <DarthThienAn> so i read 3
[18:07] <DarthThienAn> ^^
[18:07] <Pandain> O.O
[18:07] <Pandain> But SO quiet
[18:07] <Pandain> you could've pmed me, been like
[18:07] <Pandain> sup, what is mafia
[18:07] <Pandain> and i waited
[18:07] <Pandain> I WAITED FOR THAT PM
[18:07] <DarthThienAn> 4got
[18:08] <Pandain> I STAYED UP
[18:08] <DarthThienAn> yea i meant to do that
[18:08] <Pandain> ALL NIGHT
[18:08] <DarthThienAn> lol
[18:08] <Pandain> but no... no pm
[18:08] <DarthThienAn> LAL
[18:08] <DarthThienAn> lies
[18:08] <Pandain> I HAVE PHOTOGRAPHIC PROOF
[18:08] <DarthThienAn> lol
[18:08] <Pandain> I TOOK IT SO I COULD REMEMBER MY GRIEF FOREVA
[18:08] <DarthThienAn> i stayed up all night too dont worry
[18:08] <DarthThienAn> o-o
[18:08] <DarthThienAn> anyway
[18:08] <DarthThienAn> point me toward some stuff
[18:08] <DarthThienAn> to look at
[18:09] <Pandain> anyway, u might want to unvote mr zergling at the very least
[18:09] <Pandain> vote george clooney
[18:09] <Pandain> good for both me AND you
[18:09] <DarthThienAn> k
[18:09] <DarthThienAn> i dont really think zergling is mafia
[18:09] <DarthThienAn> based on some annul posts i looked at
[18:09] <Pandain> what else have you looked at
[18:09] <Pandain> besides last 3 pages
[18:09] <DarthThienAn> some votes but i dont remember picking anything up from that
[18:10] <DarthThienAn> since that modkilled kid noob vote
[18:10] <DarthThienAn> though, annul voted for zergling/wriggles or something
[18:10] <DarthThienAn> so, less on them
[18:11] <Pandain> so
[18:11] <Pandain> any thoughts?
[18:12] <DarthThienAn> randoml?
[18:12] <DarthThienAn> not really
[18:12] <DarthThienAn> barunder seems okay
[18:13] <MrWiggles> Who's hazelynut?
[18:14] <MrWiggles> he jsut voted but he's not a player
[18:14] <aidnai> wtf
[18:14] <Pandain> hes silly
[18:14] <Pandain> darth its just
[18:14] <Pandain> how long since you've joined
[18:14] <Pandain> this game
[18:15] <DarthThienAn> oh shit
[18:15] <DarthThienAn> i forgot i was on her acct
[18:16] <Pandain> LOL
[18:16] <Pandain> u have a 600 post smurf?
[18:16] <Pandain> wtf
[18:16] <barry> lmao
[18:16] <DarthThienAn> no
[18:16] <DarthThienAn> its hazelynut
[18:16] <DarthThienAn> im just on her comp
[18:16] <aidnai> 700 post smurf
[18:16] <aidnai> rofl
[18:16] <DarthThienAn> lol
[18:16] <MrWiggles> lol
[18:17] <DarthThienAn> oops
[18:17] <DarthThienAn> i used her 700th post
[18:17] <DarthThienAn> shes gonna be mad
[18:17] <barry> lolol
[18:17] <MrWiggles> lol
[18:18] <DarthThienAn> thoughts on d3?
[18:18] <Pandain> he's one of my suspects
[18:19] <Pandain> has barely posted at all
[18:19] <Pandain> except when i pressure him
[18:19] <DarthThienAn> yea
[18:20] <DarthThienAn> but if hes mafia, gc probably isnt mafia
[18:21] <DarthThienAn> else he wouldnt suggest switching
[18:21] <Pandain> it could be a false vote
[18:21] <Pandain> but ur right
[18:21] <Pandain> most likely
[18:21] <Pandain> honestly i feel out of you, gc, and d3
[18:21] <Pandain> at least one is scum
[18:22] <barry> i really think we shouldnt lynch meapak :/
[18:22] <barry> its getting really close
[18:22] <Pandain> no shizzle
[18:22] <Pandain> but now
[18:22] <Pandain> mafia go "afk"
[18:22] <Pandain> and pretend "ohh, we were just afk so we didn't unvote"
[18:22] <Pandain> but ggq and insanious both have to unvote him
[18:22] <Pandain> so wt fadoodle
[18:22] <Insanious> i'll unvote him, but when he flips red... you're getting a huge "i told you so" post in the thread
[18:23] <Pandain> Just remember, we're waiting, not putting him off suspicion
[18:23] <DarthThienAn> who, meapak?
[18:23] <Pandain> yup
[18:24] <Pandain> darthhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[18:24] <Pandain> check the tabssssssssssssssssssssss
[18:24] <Pandain> im secretly speaking to youuuuuuuuuuuuuu
[18:24] <DarthThienAn> tabs?
[18:24] <DarthThienAn> O_O
[18:24] <Pandain> O_o
[18:26] <DarthThienAn> anyway
[18:26] <DarthThienAn> even worse than lynching a townie is everyone switching based on a hunch or something
[18:27] <Pandain> which is why i dont want to switch from you
[18:27] <Pandain> sorrry
[18:27] <Pandain> your the one I was most suspicious of other than now gc
[18:27] <DarthThienAn> lol
[18:27] <DarthThienAn> man
[18:27] <DarthThienAn> those 2 posts
[18:27] <DarthThienAn> i shouldve worded them differently
[18:27] <Pandain> ???
[18:28] <DarthThienAn> ive posted like twice
[18:28] <DarthThienAn> how so suspicious
[18:28] <DarthThienAn> is what i mean
[18:28] <DarthThienAn> but i get it
[18:28] <DarthThienAn> im joking
[18:29] <Pandain> do you guys seriously want to lynch someone else?
[18:29] <Pandain> i want this up to debate
[18:29] <Pandain> we have 3 and a half hours, so we CAN do it
[18:29] <DarthThienAn> i mean
[18:29] <DarthThienAn> dont lynch me
[18:29] <DarthThienAn> 100% of missing mafia
[18:30] <DarthThienAn> did Insanious ever get lynched/flip?
[18:30] <Insanious> im very much town
[18:30] <Pandain> yeah, hes one of those zombies who can talk/post/vote after death :p
[18:30] <Insanious> and alive
[18:30] <DarthThienAn> ohi
[18:30] <DarthThienAn> o.o
[18:31] <Pandain> We could lynch meepak............ I mean, I'd rather him die now rather than darth
[18:31] <DarthThienAn> jumped to a random page and was reading it
[18:31] <DarthThienAn> ^^
[18:31] <Pandain> but darth
[18:31] <Pandain> if we do that
[18:31] <Insanious> lol
[18:31] <Pandain> i want u to read thread
[18:31] <Pandain> and actually start contributing
[18:31] <DarthThienAn> dont worry yo
[18:31] <DarthThienAn> im already 10% done
[18:31] <MrWiggles> lol
[18:31] <Pandain> im going to feel retarded if you end up red :p
[18:32] <DarthThienAn> me2 yo
[18:32] <DarthThienAn> ill be like
[18:32] <DarthThienAn> yo i thought i was town
[18:32] <Pandain> LOL
[18:32] <Pandain> anyway
[18:32] <Pandain> wiggles
[18:32] <Pandain> vote count
[18:32] <Pandain> gogogo
[18:32] <DarthThienAn> wait, insanious ever get confirmed?
[18:32] <Pandain> <3 u wiggles
[18:32] <DarthThienAn> or we all just chillin
[18:32] <Pandain> no
[18:32] <Pandain> but i trust him
[18:33] <Insanious> im the townest player in town town
[18:33] <Pandain> nah
[18:33] <Pandain> u used to be
[18:33] <Pandain> well
[18:33] <Pandain> i would say barundar is
[18:33] <Pandain> well besides opz :p
[18:34] <MrWiggles> Meapack: 9
[18:34] <Pandain> <3 u wiggles
[18:34] <Insanious> this game made me sad once it went out of thread and I couldn't read everything that was talked about, to be able to analyze people and it turned into IRC popularity contest
[18:34] <MrWiggles> dath:10
[18:35] <MrWiggles> and meapack: 8, zergling just changed his
[18:35] <Insanious> so then, now I'm like that crazy drunk old man, that screams out obseneties at the kids
[18:35] <Insanious> because shit didn't go his way
[18:35] <MrWiggles> GC: 8
[18:35] <MrWiggles> rofl
[18:36] <Insanious> oh and brocket should of died night 1, and meapak night 2
[18:36] <MrWiggles> so, Darth:10, Meapack: 8, GC: 8
[18:36] <Insanious> k k time to vote meapak again
[18:36] <Pandain> but yeah
[18:37] <Pandain> its either meepak or darth
[18:37] <Pandain> and while i think both are town
[18:37] <Pandain> meepak has been scummy while darth just inactive
[18:37] <Pandain> and darth is funnier :p
[18:37] <MrWiggles> lol
[18:37] <DarthThienAn> lol
[18:37] <Insanious> lol
[18:37] <DarthThienAn> wait
[18:37] <DarthThienAn> why brocket and meapak on a hit list?
[18:37] <Insanious> those were the two people i wanted to die instead of LSB and RoL
[18:38] <MrWiggles> ?
[18:38] <DarthThienAn> @insanious, what are you referring to?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
January 05 2011 21:24 GMT
#1204
GC don't sign up for games if you aren't going to contribute at all -.-.

On another note, I'd like to reiterate that everyone should roleclaim to Opz. He is entirely confirmed. If anyone can think of a reason not to please PM me, regardless of your role.

Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
January 06 2011 20:43 GMT
#1232
Okay hi I'm back. First off I have some bad news. I'm going to a model UN conference and won't be back until Sunday around 5PM. So until then I can't help you scum hunt. However, there are a couple things I want to comment on/note/talk about.

First off I was roleblocked again.

This indicates to me that mafia will probably keep on doing this because:
1)They know I'm DT, and this will be a succeful roleblock
2.)They might try to cast doubt on my role as DT

But I still have good fashioned scum hunting, so I'm going to leave you with a bit of my thoughts.
Let's take a look at the player list:
3. SeRapH
5. Brocket
6. TheMango
7. Mr.Zergling
8. why
9. Jackal58
11. jcarlsoniv Barundar
15. ShoCkeyy
17. ilovejonn
18. Insanious
19. Orgolove

24. d3_crescentia

29. Ryuu314 DarthThienAn


Given that mafia KP went down after 2 died, and the fact that most likely there were 6/7(likely 6, 7 seems too big) mafia in the start, the formula for mafia kp is most likely # of mafia/2. So now there are probably either 4/5(likely 4) mafia remaining. I figure one of the best things I can do to help figure out who's still suspicious is to seperate the pro town from the rest.
First off, who's pro town in my eyes:
Me:
Opz:Confirmed
Mr. Wiggles: Posts long posts when he does, good content in them
Barundar: Has been with me in a while, good reads from him on irc. In addition contributing to discussion.
Insanious: Like Barundar, except not in constant contact with me. Still, very pro town in my eyes.
Why: Doesn't post much, but those posts are long when he does.

People who I feel are likely town, but less sure of:
Jackal58
The Mango
Shockeyy
People Who I don't know:

Soulfire- seriously need to post more
Tree hugger-posts long, but hardly posts

People who I think are mafia but unsure
D3-hardly posts except when pressured.
Seraph-RoL's main suspect, this guy has been pretty suspicious. Aside from an analysis about Soulfire, Seraph hasn't really contributed that much.
People I think are mafia
IloveJonn-from weak thoughts to excuses for not analyzing, from making contradictions like saying we shouldn't just follow what other people think and then vote someone based on what someone else said, for weak vote reasons, this guy is suspicious.
Orgolove-Come on, it really can't still be considered "the holidays."
Mr Zergling Has been playing really scummy. For example, said in beginning we should be lynching inactives and then hasn't voted for an inactive sent. Defended Annul, and did a soft attempt at keeping the bandwagon on Orgolove. Right now really the only thing saving him is that he's playing similar to his last game as town.

Finally, remember everyone should claim to Opz. He is confirmed, 100%. Let me repeat that. Him being vigi is the ONLY POSSIBLE way for three kills to have happened that night.

The sole remaining DT, you are the most important person right now. The people who you have found green are confirmed without a shadow of a doubt. The people who are found red you should tell Opz and then he will say so in thread so you remain safe.

Medics need to claim so more coordination.
Hatters need to claim for more coordination.

There is no reason for anyone not to claim to Opz.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
January 06 2011 21:37 GMT
#1234
Orgo originally I just thought you were either really really defensive or a dt who had checked me red(mafia framed me), but now seriously you're being really scummy.

First off, I was wrong about LSB, I admit that. But he was acting really shady and just being wrong doesn't mean anything, as Meapak has shown. Furthormore, you admit "GC was acting so scummy we had no choice but to lynch him", and now you accuse me?

Finally I was the one who told Barundar to post an analysis on annul, and I was the one who said we should think about whether lynching you or annul. And I, along with others, decided to lynch annul. Even though I had already said beforehand I felt he was a good lynch for the other day.

Finally, maybe your (anger of me?) is impacting your reason, but there is no way there could have been 3 hits used on night 2 unless a vigi used it. And given that Opz is the only one who said it, then he is confirmed without a doubt.

The IRC has been grand and helped generate discussion. Maybe if you'd actually join you'd see that.

As for my fake claim, it was a great move. I ask anyone to say they were roleblocked, no one will(and if they do, we will find a mafia.) I have been roleblocked two nights in a row, and unless you seriously think mafia would roleblock either someone they would kill(so why roleblock) or themselves(for two nights? And how long would it have continued, in your theory, had opz not revealed me)?

Now, why do you think Darth is a good lynch, Orgolove?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
January 09 2011 20:57 GMT
#1319
Hello everyone. I'm back.

First off, I'd like to express my satisfaction to God that he made Brockett be inactive, as that helped us alot.

Second off, I'd like to emphasize a certain point I had made earlier.

You have to be active. In the course of 24 hours, only 5 posts had been made. I find this very disturbing to me. In fact, even though I have already admitted I fake claimed DT, I have been roleblocked for the third time in a row.

I can gurantee you all no one has been roleblocked besides me for the past 3 days.

Given the fact that Brockett is revealed to be mafia framer, we can now start to debate details relevant to him. For example, note how people have voted Brockett since Insanious started his crusade on him.

1.Insanious votes Brockett
2.LSB votes brockett
3.soulfire votes brockett
4.Why votes brockett
5.Jackal votes brockett
6.Bum votes LSB
7.Pandain votes LSB
8.GGQ votes Brockett
9.Wiggles votes Brockett.


At this point is is 8(brockett) to 10(annul).

Then Soulfire and Wiggles both unvote LSB and vote brockett.

This doesn't directly incriminate Soulfire, because again, I myself(stupidly) tried to say LSB should be lynched. But since the vote was so close, it must be accounted for.

Now, I am going to urge everyone to vote Soulfire because quite simply, he is hardcore lurking. I can't tell if he's town or mafia, but lurking CANNOT be accepted in this thread if town is going to win.

That and in addition to my previous analysis of Soulfire, I am going to vote Soulfire until he starts to actively contribute. Remember Soulfire, your not a rock. Everyone has thoughts.


On January 08 2011 09:39 Jackal58 wrote:
I voted solely in the hopes of waking somebody up.

Ok here goes.
Pandain. He needs to go. I have no idea if he is red or blue. At this point it really makes no difference.This game has reached an impasse that is due mostly to his claim of being role blocked. No other blues are coming forward with info due in large part I believe to mistrust of Pandain.
If we lynch Pandain and he flips blue then red no longer knows who to role block. A DT without info is useless any ways. If our medics have been protecting him then they can move on to others and perhaps we can get a scum tell from who is still around after night.
If he flips red then I commend him for playing a masterful game to this point.
But he has to go.
All aboard the Pandain Pain Train!!!!!!
WOO WOO!!!!!! Chugachugachuga Chugachugachuga.


1.Why would blues be mistrustful because of my fake claim....? They're claiming to Opz, who is 100% confirmed.
2.I'm not blue. I've already said that.
3.If, as you think, I am blue, why would you think that a DT dying is good because then mafia have to roleblock someone else.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
January 10 2011 00:37 GMT
#1325
Yeah I don't know why they roleblocked me.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
January 10 2011 01:39 GMT
#1327
On December 23 2010 11:48 flamewheel wrote:
Roles


Mafia Roleblocker
Once per night, you may send in a PM detailing a person you would like to block. That person will be notified that they were blocked, and if the person being blocked has a night action, he or she will not be able to use it. Please note that this ability only pertains to active actions. Passive abilities, such as the Veteran's extra lives, cannot be blocked by mafia.



Moving on, what are your thoughts right now Jackal. What do you think about pressuring soulfire, and my response to your concerns? Who do you think is pro town and who else is suspicious?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
January 10 2011 22:22 GMT
#1337
If you guys aren't going to post at least come to IRC
seriously, people need to post.

soulfire isn't posting like he said he would, i'd like to see mango make another big post, ilovejonn has been on the lurking-bored townie edge for a while now.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
January 12 2011 00:23 GMT
#1351
Okay seriously. I don't understand why everyone is being so quiet.

Here are who I think we should lynch:

Soulfire
IloveJonn
Mr. Zergling.

I'm pretty sure at least 2 scum are on here. We have two lynches. Right now we need to be debating which of these to hit.

Even though I've been off in my guesses, I'm one of the few remaining active townies. Therefore, along with Opz, it is likely I will get hit tonight. Hopefully I will get roleblocked too.

So if I die, lynch those people. Kk?

Who Is pro town:
Shockkey(most likely) Way too eager to get me killed, and with pretty bad reasons.
Why: Long posts abound, has been contributing.
Barundar: Same as why but even more active.

After going through those people, the next people on the list should be in this order:
D3
Orgolove
Mango
Jackal
Barundar.

Unless something new pops up.


Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
January 12 2011 22:21 GMT
#1379
Just voting people who turn out to be red doesn't mean you yourself are red. I disagree with the statement that Mango is mafia. I think he's town.

Mango seems to me just a bored/new townie. He's uncomfortable with the online format, and has even told me several times he's just chillaxing cause he's pretty confused. I do think he is suspicious, but think IloveJonn/d3 would be a far better choice to lynch.

There are a number of reasons why I think theMango is town, or at least why Ilovejonn/d3 are better lynches.

1.Mango has at least posted with decent content. He posts, and doesn't try to act like he's contributing really. He posts short things with short content. Mafia usually want to act like they're at least being pretty contributive. This is why d3 is suspicious. He's posted pretty long things, but they're all either repeats of what someone else said, about the format of the game, or after I force him to post.

2.Mango pmed me several times, on his own. Usually mafia don't want to be the one contributing, they want to just sit back and let the town not talk for 24 hours.

On January 12 2011 21:04 Jackal58 wrote:
Mango is red. I've been saying it for a week.
I wouldn't mind lynching our DT either. What a useless pos.


Posts like this are the suspicious posts. First of all, why would you want to lynch our DT, at all!! Second of all, he just says "ya, mango is red" without saying anything about it. This is why Jackal is now suspicious to me.

I agree with soulfire, but will be voting D_3 for the second lynch.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
January 13 2011 01:41 GMT
#1386
Hey mafia, if your trying to frame me, do something better than "he voted wrong most of the time." When actually I wasn't. I was wrong on George clooney, dta, and LSB(but then again, originally I was in favor of saving him and then switched back when the bandwagon on brockett occured.)

But I was also right on many things. I thought annul was red, and got him lynched.

And really, when almost everyone has backed me/been with me with these lynches(see irc chats for example for how we collectively made the decisions), how can you say that this proves I'm mafia?

I admit I haven't been playing very well. It seems I have been much better at figuring out whos pro town rather than whos mafia. And really that makes since in the long run.

But while everyone else sits back, and lets the day go by, I generate new discussion. I actively analyze people. I take time out of my day to go through the posts of a specific person and post my feelings on them.

And if you don't think thats pro town then I don't know what your thought process is.

Me and Barundar had formed a town circle, whilst Brockett tried to cast doubt on it. Brockett, the mafia framer.

I made a new IRC chat, and that chat helped with the town and helped generate discussion.

I have been actively pming people, asking for their thoughts.

I want to hear why I'm mafia other than "his votes have been off."
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
January 13 2011 01:53 GMT
#1387
Also wth are some of these reasons for people voting me

On January 08 2011 09:39 Jackal58 wrote:
I voted solely in the hopes of waking somebody up.

Ok here goes.
Pandain. He needs to go. I have no idea if he is red or blue. At this point it really makes no difference.This game has reached an impasse that is due mostly to his claim of being role blocked. No other blues are coming forward with info due in large part I believe to mistrust of Pandain.
If we lynch Pandain and he flips blue then red no longer knows who to role block. A DT without info is useless any ways. If our medics have been protecting him then they can move on to others and perhaps we can get a scum tell from who is still around after night.
If he flips red then I commend him for playing a masterful game to this point.
But he has to go.
All aboard the Pandain Pain Train!!!!!!
WOO WOO!!!!!! Chugachugachuga Chugachugachuga.


He's saying lynch a DT(he was under the impression I was dt, hey, mafia thought so too. coincidence?). But really, LYNCH A DT? He said "now we don't have to protect him. Plus he's useless". Theres a reason why medics would've protected dts!

On January 13 2011 10:38 Soulfire wrote:


Voting for TheMango and Pandain off of a hunch;



On January 13 2011 08:06 TheMango wrote:
voting Jackal58 and Pandain. Don't think both are mafia, but one is bound to be imo, and I have no idea who's mafia at this point. If we can vote off one mafia this day, it's a win for town.



Does anyone not see what's happening here....???
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
January 13 2011 01:56 GMT
#1388
Also I want everyone on irc.
##bamboopalace
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
January 13 2011 19:38 GMT
#1398
On January 13 2011 22:12 Jackal58 wrote:
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On January 13 2011 15:07 why wrote:
So, I did some math:

The split right now is likely 7 townies and 3 mafia. If we double mislynch today then we are down to 5 townies. Then, there are would be 2 NK so, barring a medic save or a vet hit we'd be down to 3. And then we have lost. Let me repeat that:

If we double mislynch today and there isn't a medic save or vet hit tonight, we lose.

What does this mean? Mafia are much more likely to strongly push lynches and take risks today, as they will win if they can lynch two towns. Therefore, we need to be very careful with orgolove's suggested plan. If orgolove is red, then he has just picked two green players that seem particularly scummy to lynch, hope town sheeps with him, and then when they both flip green there are no consequences because he just won the game for the reds. Because of this, we should try to lynch someone other than TheMango or Soulfire. I don't care which doesn't get lynched (orgolove's case for both is pretty convincing, to be honest) but only one of them at most should because if they are both town then orgolove just won the game for mafia. I also think it is suspicious that as soon as orgolove posted that, three other people immediately followed his lead (ilovejohn, Mr. Zergling, and Jackal58, although Jackal58 since changed one of his votes to pandain). This, to me, looks like mafia is jumping on a green bandwagon which means one or both of TheMango and Soulfire are probably green.

I still think Mr. Zergling is a likely red especially given the bandwagon, and ilovejohn and jackal58 are also much more on my radar now given their quick jumping on the bandwagon. So, I'm going to switch my second vote from soulfire to ilovejohn for now (since jackal58 at least changed his vote off of soulfire).

TLDR; Orgolove could be mafia, don't let both soulfire and TheMango die.

My vote for Soulfire and TheMango was just to see which of them Pandain was going to attempt to divert the vote from.
You could well be right about Orgolove. I could be right about Pandain. I sent Orgolove a PM yesterday regarding Paindains seemingly uncanny ability to switch the vote. It was sent to see if Pandain and Orgolove were talking to each other. At this point it does not appear that they are. Pandain did exactly what I expected him to do. If he and Orgo are both red I think they would both probably have switched up the vote to me. But it appears they are both aligned differently. I cannot say with any certainty which one is Red but one of them is. I think if we lynch them both today we will reduce reds kp and at the least extend the game through another day cycle that will allow one of our dts to claim and tell us who the remaining 2 mafia are. On that basis I am going to vote Orgolove and Pandain for lynch today.


There are several things wrong with this paragraph. For one, why do you think that out of orgo and me one of us has to be red? You never responded to when I rebutted your "argument" against me(which was really just "lets lynch the dt so mafia don't have to shoot him.").

I want you to respond to this. Why do you think out of us two one of us has to be red, and why don't you think the other people are better lynches?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
January 13 2011 19:50 GMT
#1399
Guys, we should lynch D_3 and soulfire.
We already know why soulfire, but D3 for some strange reason is staying out of the limelight.

He fits perfectly the role of a mafia, those who "contribute without really contributing."
Like this post:

On December 28 2010 04:31 d3_crescentia wrote:
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On December 28 2010 03:43 LunarDestiny wrote:
On December 28 2010 00:56 LSB wrote:
EBWOP
On December 28 2010 00:50 d3_crescentia wrote:
On December 28 2010 00:40 LSB wrote:
@LunarDestiny
On December 27 2010 17:00 LunarDestiny wrote:
I don't like the idea of pressuring a certain person to speak up one at a time. If the mafia choose to pressure a townie and that townie is afk, then we are falling into mafia's trap. We should consider all inactive. When day1 is half way over, we should come up with a list of people who are inactive/all spam/suspected and discuss who to lynch. Maybe then, those people on list will speak up and defend themselves.

What do you think we should do about inactives then?

Can you read his post?

It doesn't do anything about inactives.
It just says we make a list of inactives and see what happens. We've done this practically every single game.

Does it work? Not really.

LunarDestiny, can you elaborate a bit more then?

I don't like the idea of pressuring a certain person to speak up one at a time. If the mafia choose to pressure a townie and that townie is afk, then we are falling into mafia's trap.


Looking at the voting thread, there are 3 people that were voted.
Mr.Wiggies quickly responded after pandain voted on him.
Pandain also respond after the mass vote on him.
But Jackal had yet to respond after being voted by pandain.
Accusing someone encourages participation from that that person. But what if that person is afk? He won't be able to respond. Also, IF pandain is mafia, then town will be sidetracked. Other inactive mafia will go under the radar.

We should consider all inactive. When day1 is half way over, we should come up with a list of people who are inactive/all spam/suspected and discuss who to lynch. Maybe then, those people on list will speak up and defend themselves.


I am saying that we should not target inactive (afk/spam/suspect) at a time for day 1 lynch. At some point on day1, we should come up with a list of possible lynch and that will encourage those people on the list to speak up.

Again all of the above is for day 1's lynch when town have almost no information. I want to put pressure on all inactives to speak up and maybe contribution.

It doesn't really matter that the person is afk; that's why the day cycles are so long. What we especially have to watch out for is if everyone is *too complacent* in letting the target die. If there isn't adequate discussion that's been generated then we KNOW we haven't picked someone important.

With that said I think I'd like to suggest something I was thinking of in my last game: every person take a look at the posts of the person below you on the page 1 list and post an analysis of said person on Day 3. That should give us enough time to accumulate a good amount of analysis. If said person is up for the chopping block then post what you have sooner than later. I think player death shouldn't cause too many problems with this plan and it should help newer players participate.

Says that everyone should analyze someone, then doesn't analyze ANYONE in the game whatsover. In addition, just gives some "we should watch out if this happens" info. Rather than talking about the game itself.

On December 28 2010 22:59 d3_crescentia wrote:
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On December 28 2010 22:42 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On December 28 2010 20:15 Node wrote:
Analysis of LunarDestiny so far (my comments in blue):
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On December 27 2010 10:51 LunarDestiny wrote:
Lets discuss about the game. Framer is the only role new to me and the role is damn powerful. If we focus on a small group of people, the framer can easily frame someone who dts will check. We should try to focus on a bigger group of people so the framer could not misled the town easily.


On December 27 2010 11:03 LunarDestiny wrote:
I think the framer role encourages dts to use check on lurkers.


On December 27 2010 11:10 LunarDestiny wrote:
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On December 27 2010 11:08 Mr.Zergling wrote:
On December 27 2010 11:03 LunarDestiny wrote:
I think the framer role encourages dts to use check on lurkers.


why would it do that?

Because it is unlikely that mafia would frame a lurkering town. So if dts check lurkers, then it will reduce the risk of them mischecking a framed target.


He spends his first few posts addressing the framer role, and how it should affect DT checks. I'm not a big fan of directing blues, but I'm not about to call this scummy posting. When people start asking blues to take specific actions (ie put bomb on this guy, check this guy, protect so-and-so), then it sets off alarms.

On December 27 2010 12:25 LunarDestiny wrote:
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On December 27 2010 11:50 Pandain wrote:
WHAT TO DO FOR TODAY
I say to do this ery day, I say to do this now. Town should lynch inactives. This is actually a somewhat complicated process. Right now in the beginning I will just begin voting people(pressuring) until they make enough of a meaningful post and then I’ll vote someone else. Now, the point is to lynch those who “contribute without really contributing” not those who are just going to get modkilled. That is why at the end it’ll end up being one of the “semi lurkers”, not the dead ones.
SUMMARY
1.Contribute without spamming
2.Be active, make well thought out posts.
3.Lynch the semi inactives, inactives for now.


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On December 27 2010 11:51 Pandain wrote:
##Vote: Mr. Wiggles

Contradiction? Pandain say we should lynch inactive for day1 then vote for Mr. Wiggles?

Pandain, please explain.


He calls Pandain out on voting Mr. Wiggles. IMO Pandain's vote was justified by his post, but I don't have a problem with this.

On December 27 2010 14:17 LunarDestiny wrote:
Since there are many new players in the game, they will probably base their night actions, if they have blue roles, on advices of others.

Pandain did give out many good advices but I'll nitpick this one:
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Vigi- I still think this should really be a town decision who to shoot. There are so many times when town is going to need that extra certain kp in situations in the future, in addition to the fact that most likely you will shoot a town. Only shoot if we tell you too, or(and I’m being very cautious on this) you just know

I like the idea that vig's shot should be decided by town. Unless vigs are veteran, the town are better figuring out who is scum. Also, shots from vigs aren't wasted if more than one shots at the same person are made.
I also want to discuss should vigs use their shots early to try to get lucky and kill mafia? Reducing mafia KP is very important and we also have two double lynch to compensate for lack of vig in the later in the game.


Continues to advise blue roles, this time focusing on vig. I think it's a terrible, terrible idea to base the town's night kills on luck, enough that I'd call it scummy to ask for it. He also notes that newb blues are likely to base their action on town advice, which is exactly why I'm beginning to find it a bit weird just how much advice LunarDestiny is giving. Any mafia influence over special town roles is good for them.

On December 27 2010 14:33 LunarDestiny wrote:
Vigs can only hit on night 2. At that time, we will most likely have multiple suspects. These suspects are likely to be our main lynch targets on day3. So if they are not killed, we have to deal with them anyway. The risk is that they are town and can be proven innocence on night 2 by a dt. But the existence of the framer discourage dts to check on suspects. So dt checks on suspected people returning town aren't convincing information.

Also in most of the games I played, vigs are killed before they were able to make shots.


More blue advice.


On December 27 2010 14:55 LunarDestiny wrote:
I was trying to give people someone to discuss. There is no better topic that I can find.


I find it hard to believe that there's really nothing else to discuss, but I'll let this slide.

On December 27 2010 17:00 LunarDestiny wrote:
People will ask what your opinion is on something and it is safe to respond on these pm. Just don't tell anyone your role. If you strongly sense that someone is trying to fish out your role, you should tell town since it is good indication that the person is mafia.

After night 1, dts would have checked some townies and pms are encouraged between them. There is a slight chance that a mafia will take the risk to fake the dt role, but it would be hard for them to do since they have to predict but role that person is.

I don't like the idea of pressuring a certain person to speak up one at a time. If the mafia choose to pressure a townie and that townie is afk, then we are falling into mafia's trap. We should consider all inactive. When day1 is half way over, we should come up with a list of people who are inactive/all spam/suspected and discuss who to lynch. Maybe then, those people on list will speak up and defend themselves.



More blue advice. Also, he wants a list made rather than pressuring inactives on an individual basis -- which other people have mentioned isn't the greatest of ideas.


On December 28 2010 03:43 LunarDestiny wrote:
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On December 28 2010 00:56 LSB wrote:
EBWOP
On December 28 2010 00:50 d3_crescentia wrote:
On December 28 2010 00:40 LSB wrote:
@LunarDestiny
On December 27 2010 17:00 LunarDestiny wrote:
I don't like the idea of pressuring a certain person to speak up one at a time. If the mafia choose to pressure a townie and that townie is afk, then we are falling into mafia's trap. We should consider all inactive. When day1 is half way over, we should come up with a list of people who are inactive/all spam/suspected and discuss who to lynch. Maybe then, those people on list will speak up and defend themselves.

What do you think we should do about inactives then?

Can you read his post?

It doesn't do anything about inactives.
It just says we make a list of inactives and see what happens. We've done this practically every single game.

Does it work? Not really.

LunarDestiny, can you elaborate a bit more then?

I don't like the idea of pressuring a certain person to speak up one at a time. If the mafia choose to pressure a townie and that townie is afk, then we are falling into mafia's trap.


Looking at the voting thread, there are 3 people that were voted.
Mr.Wiggies quickly responded after pandain voted on him.
Pandain also respond after the mass vote on him.
But Jackal had yet to respond after being voted by pandain.
Accusing someone encourages participation from that that person. But what if that person is afk? He won't be able to respond. Also, IF pandain is mafia, then town will be sidetracked. Other inactive mafia will go under the radar.

We should consider all inactive. When day1 is half way over, we should come up with a list of people who are inactive/all spam/suspected and discuss who to lynch. Maybe then, those people on list will speak up and defend themselves.


I am saying that we should not target inactive (afk/spam/suspect) at a time for day 1 lynch. At some point on day1, we should come up with a list of possible lynch and that will encourage those people on the list to speak up.

Again all of the above is for day 1's lynch when town have almost no information. I want to put pressure on all inactives to speak up and maybe contribution.



He clarifies that he wants to not target an inactive for a day 1 lynch, but wants to pressure them into posting via his list. Which... I don't really get. Why would they post if there was no actual threat of being lynched? Also, I don't think mafia pressuring inactives would actually be bad, as long as . In addition the last time a complete inactive got lynched day 1 (salem mafia w/BrownBear), they ended up being red, though to be fair it was a traitor role, so the mafia wasn't aware of their alignment.

I don't agree with this post, but I'm more inclined to say that his thoughts come from a town point of view.


On December 28 2010 04:08 LunarDestiny wrote:
Also, I somewhat don't agree with Dr.H that dts should check the people they think are the most likely to be mafia. The people that seem to most likely to be mafia are a combination of:

-Lurkers who post bare minimum to stay alive.
There is a lower chance that framer will framer a lurking town. I encourage dts to check these people. There is the downside where these people are more likely to be modkilled because they might be people who lost interest in the game. Without more people as replacement, dt checks might be wasted. So dts have to judge between lurkers who lost interest in the game and those who are posting minimum to stay alive.


-People who have taken a huge stand on issues and are in long debates with others. These people are most likely to be framer's target since there are, at most, a few of people in this categories. The probability of successful framing of these people is higher than probability of successful framing on lurking town. And even if a dt check says that a person of these categories comes out to be mafia, this information is useful, but less compared to other mafia games where there are no framer

To summarize, dts should use checks on lurkers to avoid framer. But should judge between real lurkers and discouraged players.


Again with the blue advice.

On December 28 2010 04:53 LunarDestiny wrote:
I am not saying that we should go after inactive all game. On day 1 where very few information is available, we should pressure all inactive to speak up. Because this game have the role framer in it, we should let dts deal with inactive and discourage dt checks on people are suspicious because they are in heated debates.

I agree that behavior analyze is important. Especially in this game, mafia check by dt on people who are in long debates are less convincing compared to other games because they are likely to be a framed townie.


On December 28 2010 05:20 LunarDestiny wrote:
Yes, my posts are general and are related to how should we play this game because of minor difference (framer) compared to other mafia games.

@1)I want to ask you how should we put pressure on specific player to contribute. It would be bad if a mafia is calling out inactive townie. Also, who should we choose? Go to a list of inactive and randomly pick one of them and say "xxxx, please contribute."

@2)If the list is short enough (less than 10 people?), then the list is convincing enough to pressure people to speak up.

@3)Again, I am not trying to post to make me look town. Heck, I could have lurked from the beginning and not attract attention to myself.
By my "plan", I assume you mean me saying "who should dts check" and "on day 1, we should pressure inactive to speak". Yes, both requires almost no work on my part. The first is advice to dts and the second is relating to generating discussions.

As of now, I do not have good point of why or why not anyone is mafia. I do not want to accuse anyone without good point.



Here he's defending himself after Barundar's post accusing him of not posting much in the way of content. I'll go through point by point.

1. I already stated how I disagree with not pressuring players individually. And it's not like a list is going to be particularly persuasive in the way of getting inactives more active, unless people actually act on it. That requires votes.

2. See #1

3. Anyone could say this. Of course you don't have to post anything helpful, but it certainly assists your own case if you're mafia.

Altogether, an inconclusive post.


On December 28 2010 05:34 LunarDestiny wrote:
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On December 28 2010 05:23 LSB wrote:
On December 28 2010 05:20 LunarDestiny wrote:
@1)I want to ask you how should we put pressure on specific player to contribute. It would be bad if a mafia is calling out inactive townie. Also, who should we choose? Go to a list of inactive and randomly pick one of them and say "xxxx, please contribute."

@2)If the list is short enough (less than 10 people?), then the list is convincing enough to pressure people to speak up.

What's the difference between the two scenarios?

In both we are putting pressure on people to contribute. In both we need to make a list of inactives.

Because if we do something like "xxxx you have not been contributing and that makes you look mafia, please contribute."
We get contribution like Mr.Wiggle which is good. But if the mafia is the one pointing fingers, then other mafia will be left alone. Also, we are targeting a smaller group of people compared to having a list of people.

I also like to say that I am not discouraging pointing fingers at non-inactive. Having debates between active players especially useful since it is the best way to find mafia because a mafia dt checks on these people are less convincing than other mafia games.


So, it's okay to point fingers at active players because it encourages debate, but it's not okay to do so at inactive players because they might be afk. Again, I disagree, but that's a common theme at this point.

On December 28 2010 05:46 LunarDestiny wrote:
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On December 28 2010 05:26 LSB wrote:
On December 28 2010 05:23 LunarDestiny wrote:
On December 28 2010 04:57 Barundar wrote:
I’m sorry to point it out, but I can’t help but notice how general and unproductive your posts are, LunarDestiny.

At some point on day1, we should come up with a list of possible lynch and that will encourage those people on the list to speak up

1) Lists are a good way to appear like you are contributing, without actually adding anything.
I want to put pressure on all inactives to speak up and maybe contribution.

2) Pressure is not done in general, pressure is specific to make the player unable to hide. Your list of pressuring “all” inactives is the same as pressuring none.

3) There is a fine line between a plan, and suggestions that make you appear to be active while sending the town on a goosechase. Your plan requires no work from yourself (“we” should do this and that), is very general (“at some point”), and it’s limited to inactives instead of scumhunting, making it mechanic, so even when we hit town, the mafia is not guilty.

In general, the player list is a little more stacked with active players than Pokemafia/HPmafia, so inactives shouldn’t be as much as a problem (even if I just replaced one…)

My respond is above. (Thought I could post right under without quoting)

Okay, now your post makes a bit more sense.
But the point still stands. Why is it so bad to put pressure on one person and then move? Why is this better than RNG?

I think I answered your first question in my post above.

For your second question:
The list is better because it will affect more inactive. Now I think RNG people to pressure them can be use in combination with having a list because I don't see why we can't use them together.

To rephrase what I was saying, only RNG people and accuse them is not a good choice to pressure inactive. Having a list will pressure on a bigger group of people. You can RNG people and pressure them, BUT the list is needed because RNGing people is not enough.


More pushing for the all-important inactive list. Why Insanious ended up making it instead of LunarDestiny is beyond me.

On December 28 2010 05:57 LunarDestiny wrote:
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On December 28 2010 05:51 d3_crescentia wrote:
On December 28 2010 05:34 LunarDestiny wrote:
On December 28 2010 05:23 LSB wrote:
On December 28 2010 05:20 LunarDestiny wrote:
@1)I want to ask you how should we put pressure on specific player to contribute. It would be bad if a mafia is calling out inactive townie. Also, who should we choose? Go to a list of inactive and randomly pick one of them and say "xxxx, please contribute."

@2)If the list is short enough (less than 10 people?), then the list is convincing enough to pressure people to speak up.

What's the difference between the two scenarios?

In both we are putting pressure on people to contribute. In both we need to make a list of inactives.

Because if we do something like "xxxx you have not been contributing and that makes you look mafia, please contribute."
We get contribution like Mr.Wiggle which is good. But if the mafia is the one pointing fingers, then other mafia will be left alone. Also, we are targeting a smaller group of people compared to having a list of people.

I also like to say that I am not discouraging pointing fingers at non-inactive. Having debates between active players especially useful since it is the best way to find mafia because a mafia dt checks on these people are less convincing than other mafia games.

Everyone has to point fingers. Even mafia point fingers at their own for weak posting or inactivity, but they will rarely push for a lynch. It should be our job as town to make sure that all of the necessary people are brought into the spotlight and to lynch those we find lacking.

As posted above, I think pointing finger is good but a list is needed because pointing finger is not enough. Also, the list thing is most useful in day1 since that is the day with the least information. After day1, I suppose that the lynch will be based on behavior analysis like other games.

Also, I want to ask Pandain to stop voting at random people to pressure them to talk. If we are also pressuring random inactive, then the same person must not be the one pointing fingers.




I find this post in particular especially strange. Pandain is getting results and encouraging discussion, and apparently that's a bad thing. The last sentence is garbled, but by the sound of it he means inactives should not be the ones to pressure inactives. Um... okay. So how else can they contribute?



On December 28 2010 07:34 LunarDestiny wrote:
I am following debates between Annul and LSB. There are something I don't get.

Annul's conclusion in his first post about why LSB should be lynched.
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in conclusion, LSB has been making pure nonposts and/or pure informative posts without analysis, with the two exceptions being his insistence on the "kill inactives" theme and his defenses of pandain and mr. wiggles. yet he has like 30 posts up while saying almost absolutely nothing.

my vote is on LSB now.

Annul, your conclusion for lynching LSB is because he have about 30 posts. All 30 posts, except 2, are posts that means nothing and pure informative posts without analysis?


LSB, are your reasons for lynching Annul in page 17?
-1. Giant wall of text that pretends to be contributing
-2. He doesn't want to do anything about inactives
-3. He makes a faulty analysis that is forced
-4. Annul posts without brining anything new


I will say what I think of this later, but I want to get these two points straight.


Finally he gets involved in the discussion that the town has been most concerned with lately. But whatever happened to pressuring inactives? In his whole post history, he has not actually called anybody out, or even commented on the list he wanted. Also, despite being quite active in the game so far, he hasn't cast a vote, even though he emphasizes pressure.


On December 28 2010 08:33 LunarDestiny wrote:
I also think that Annul's initial post about LSB being mafia is illogically since the town will definitely not lynch a veteran like LSB because he have some meaningless posts. LSB actually have way more than 2 good posts before annul's accusation.

Annul's second reason on p.18
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insistence on going after inactives instead of scumhunting. it would be very easy for a mafia to know his team all happen to be active and then say "hey kill inactives over all else EVEN IF scummy targets exist

Well, we know that there is a lot of inactive in this game. I also assume there must a some mafia inactive in this game so LSB going after inactive doesn't say much about him being scum.

What I don't understand is why Annul accused LSB without good evidence why LSB is mafia.

-I don't think Annul accuse LSB to save Pandain because the bandwagon on Pandain is a joke and there is no good reason to lynch pandain.

-LSB also mentioned that Annul do the analysis on LSB to make himself look good by using it as a reference that he did lengthy analysis. But LSB also say that annul want his post to be ignored. I have to question why would annul choose LSB to accuse if he want his post to be ignored. It makes no sense. If annul want his post to be ignore, he could have analyze someone other than LSB, because pointing finger at LSB would certainly result in some lengthy responses that annul can't slip by.



More comments on the LSB / annul debate. I'm happy to see him voice his thoughts on the matter, though I would rather see an actual position taken instead of just listing the various issues that are guiding the debate. He could be genuinely unsure of which side to take, or it could be the typical wishy-washy mafia.

So, final thoughts. LunarDestiny, up until commenting on the annul / LSB debate is all about lurkers and blues. Blues, lurkers, blues, lurkers. DTs should check them. We should pressure them this way, not that way. It's a good idea to lynch one. So on and so forth.

Final verdict: undecided. I'm going to leave it at 50/50 for now. His thoughts aren't inherently scummy, but I really wish that he would get a bit more specific and actually start pointing fingers instead of encouraging others to do so. I think what made me suspicious of him was how many of his points I disagreed with. I just think the inactive town list, asking Pandain to stop doing what's clearly working, and the desire to control blue actions are all misguided notions. The key here is that we don't actually know anything about him -- it would be quite easy for a scum to be behind these posts and say "I'm contributing!" even though everything he has said could be summed up in a few sentences. It's true that for most of the game he's been re-iterating the same thing over many posts.

If he is town, I think he could do better.



Ok, what im wondering is, why would you go off posting who's blue, if he is or isn't. You're just making it easier for mafia to pick and choose on who to kill. Explain as to why you did this? If he is a blue I want to know why you did an analysis on him if he's really trying to help the town and hasn't posted scummy at all. I have my FoS on you.

WOW way to not read the post, since his COMMENTS blue. This is exactly the kind of stupid crap that gets you killed.

Comments on Node's analysis of LunarDestiny: undecided is not an acceptable conclusion. Quite frankly I don't understand why you would post an analysis if you're just going to waffle around the steps to action; at least lay an FoS or something. I honestly don't think there's any benefit to doing analysis this early in the game from mafia to mafia teammate at this point in time, but leaving it so ambiguous doesn't really present a solid case.

As for LD himself, I find myself disagreeing with a lot of his posts thus far, so I'll follow the logical conclusion of the analysis and FoS LunarDestiny.

Disagreeing with the conclusion of a analysis rather than actually talking about the analysis itself. Also gives the "Fos" on LD without really any support.

On December 29 2010 22:18 d3_crescentia wrote:
Got back late last night from my super-long day, so I'm catching up on the thread this morning. I'll also be gone for a good extended portion of today and Thursday will be a normal work day for me, so as it stands my posting will be kind of limited until Thursday night or so. Apologies to everyone as I haven't been keeping up as much as I'd like since game started.

I'm looking at the Day 1 vote lists and trying to figure out how the Pandain vote dissipated so quickly (presumably sidetracked by the LSB/annul debate). My original qualms with Pandain lie entirely with his initial post as he ENTIRELY neglects the role of the framer in his advice (thus making it terrible advice for ANY townie to follow), so I'll have to go back and see what he's posted thus far makes up for that.


A pure nothing post. Says he's sorry for not contributing, says he's going to see how Pandain has developed. But doesn't actually comment on that itself, just says he's going to do it. Plus, just because I didn't talk about the framer(didn't think its that important) doesn't mean the advice is terrible.

It's stuff like this that makes me suspicious of d3. Rather than actually analyzing people/giving his thoughts, he just comments on side things or avoids the main topic. For example right now he's been basically absent today.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
January 13 2011 19:55 GMT
#1402
On January 14 2011 04:53 Jackal58 wrote:
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On January 14 2011 04:38 Pandain wrote:
On January 13 2011 22:12 Jackal58 wrote:
On January 13 2011 15:07 why wrote:
So, I did some math:

The split right now is likely 7 townies and 3 mafia. If we double mislynch today then we are down to 5 townies. Then, there are would be 2 NK so, barring a medic save or a vet hit we'd be down to 3. And then we have lost. Let me repeat that:

If we double mislynch today and there isn't a medic save or vet hit tonight, we lose.

What does this mean? Mafia are much more likely to strongly push lynches and take risks today, as they will win if they can lynch two towns. Therefore, we need to be very careful with orgolove's suggested plan. If orgolove is red, then he has just picked two green players that seem particularly scummy to lynch, hope town sheeps with him, and then when they both flip green there are no consequences because he just won the game for the reds. Because of this, we should try to lynch someone other than TheMango or Soulfire. I don't care which doesn't get lynched (orgolove's case for both is pretty convincing, to be honest) but only one of them at most should because if they are both town then orgolove just won the game for mafia. I also think it is suspicious that as soon as orgolove posted that, three other people immediately followed his lead (ilovejohn, Mr. Zergling, and Jackal58, although Jackal58 since changed one of his votes to pandain). This, to me, looks like mafia is jumping on a green bandwagon which means one or both of TheMango and Soulfire are probably green.

I still think Mr. Zergling is a likely red especially given the bandwagon, and ilovejohn and jackal58 are also much more on my radar now given their quick jumping on the bandwagon. So, I'm going to switch my second vote from soulfire to ilovejohn for now (since jackal58 at least changed his vote off of soulfire).

TLDR; Orgolove could be mafia, don't let both soulfire and TheMango die.

My vote for Soulfire and TheMango was just to see which of them Pandain was going to attempt to divert the vote from.
You could well be right about Orgolove. I could be right about Pandain. I sent Orgolove a PM yesterday regarding Paindains seemingly uncanny ability to switch the vote. It was sent to see if Pandain and Orgolove were talking to each other. At this point it does not appear that they are. Pandain did exactly what I expected him to do. If he and Orgo are both red I think they would both probably have switched up the vote to me. But it appears they are both aligned differently. I cannot say with any certainty which one is Red but one of them is. I think if we lynch them both today we will reduce reds kp and at the least extend the game through another day cycle that will allow one of our dts to claim and tell us who the remaining 2 mafia are. On that basis I am going to vote Orgolove and Pandain for lynch today.


There are several things wrong with this paragraph. For one, why do you think that out of orgo and me one of us has to be red? You never responded to when I rebutted your "argument" against me(which was really just "lets lynch the dt so mafia don't have to shoot him.").

I want you to respond to this. Why do you think out of us two one of us has to be red, and why don't you think the other people are better lynches?


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On January 10 2011 05:57 Pandain wrote:
Hello everyone. I'm back.

First off, I'd like to express my satisfaction to God that he made Brockett be inactive, as that helped us alot.

Second off, I'd like to emphasize a certain point I had made earlier.

You have to be active. In the course of 24 hours, only 5 posts had been made. I find this very disturbing to me. In fact, even though I have already admitted I fake claimed DT, I have been roleblocked for the third time in a row.

How many times are you gonna claim DT? I think you are forgetting which lies you told when.

I already explained it to you. You are either red or extremely poor at picking lynch targets. Neither is a loss to town.


At this point its LYLO unless a medic protection happens or we have 4 vets and one gets hit. Neither one is likely

At this point every lynch matters.

If you think I'm mafia you think:
1.Mafia have been roleblocking themselves/people they have killed since day 2, neither of which option makes sense.
2.I got my own godfather lynched.
3.I correctly pointed out a list of pro town people
4.I argued for the confirmation of Opz and argued for people to role claim to him


Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
January 13 2011 19:56 GMT
#1403
Also what are you talking about. I've already admitted I fake claimed to draw roleblocks. When have I said otherwise?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
January 13 2011 20:43 GMT
#1404
After a good deal of thought I have decided to advocate the lynching of Ilovejonn instead of soulfire. I want everyone to look at the current vote list right now:

On January 14 2011 05:04 flamewheel wrote:
Vote Tally for Day 6 Double Lynch

Soulfire (4): Mr.Zergling, orgolove, ilovejonn, Pandain

Mr.Zergling (2): why, ShoCkeyy

TheMango (4): Mr.Zergling, orgolove, ilovejonn, Soulfire

Pandain (4): Jackal58, ShoCkeyy, TheMango, Soulfire

Jackal58 (1): TheMango

d3_crescentia (1): Pandain

ilovejonn (1): why

orgolove (1): Jackal58

d3_crescentia needs to post and make his two votes. You have 6 hours and 56 minutes.


The people I do not trust right now are soulfire, zergling, ilovejonn, and somewhat orgolove/jackal(both equal in the latter.) Looking at the votes for mango and soulfire leads me to believe that Mango and perhaps even soulfire are innocent. Look at that. Zergling, orgo, and Ilovejonn ALL voted for mango/soulfire.

I'm unsure what to think about soulfire. Part of me thinks hes mafia and they're content to let him die/try to push the lynch onto me. Part of me thinks he's just really really inactive(as in needs to contribute ALOT more.) I do think soulfire is a good lynch....

But also think the fact that three people I suspect are voting for him worries me even more.

You know what else is funny about Ilovejonn? He has never voted for a double lynch. He has hardly analyzed anyone. He, even more than d3, fits the profile of "contributing without really contributing."

I do think soulfire is scummy, and advocate him to be lynched tommorow. However, I am now entering up to debate whether D3 or soulfire should be lynched.

If you think mango is mafia, btw, then you think that the town(or most likely) is:
zergling
soulfire
orgo
ilovejonn
All of who should be suspicious to you.

So, what do you think?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
January 13 2011 21:47 GMT
#1411
Everyone should vote Ilovejonn, and then soulfire/d3.
Mango is town, that's pretty much obvious with the way the voting has went and in addition the fact that as I have said, just because your wrong does NOT mean your mafia.

Anyone who doesn't give a reason why they aren't doing the above state so in thread.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
January 13 2011 21:55 GMT
#1413
On January 14 2011 06:51 Jackal58 wrote:
D3 is probably going to be mod killed?

then vote soulfire instead of voting for me because "I'm not 100% right", when noone else has either.
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