EPTI'd like CPR to kill off Jackal. I'll also push for not killing Kenpachi quite yet anyways. I get the feeling he is actually bulletproof or something. And I don't think he should be punished for not following the plan.
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HaploPaithan
United States100 Posts
I'd like CPR to kill off Jackal. I'll also push for not killing Kenpachi quite yet anyways. I get the feeling he is actually bulletproof or something. And I don't think he should be punished for not following the plan. | ||
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
Jackal58 claims he picked it and didn't get it. Deconduo claims he is CPR doc. Kenpachi claims he is neither JOAT nor CC but something he hasn't revealed. Kitaman's post above implied that he took vigi as LSB's plan had set for him to take. I don't think Barundar revealed whether he took Bullet Bill or not, but he claimed to not be CC. So what does this mean? Someone is certainly lying. Why would someone lie about not having taken CC if they are town? I can only think that they must be mafia, having passed over their role to steal CC and allow a scumbuddy down the list to take their assigned role. Or possibly it's jackal58 who is the mafia, trying to get us to kill our top 4 roles. Either way, someone among our top 5 in the draft order is a liar. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On January 13 2011 05:20 Amber[LighT] wrote: Just because he uses the ability doesn't confirm any alignment... Nor does it confirm that he is actually the CPR doc. However, it could shed light on the Copycat issue. On January 13 2011 05:24 Amber[LighT] wrote: Don't we already know this information? It seems wasteful to check you off the list of people who listened to LSB. We're so hooked on finding the traitor, seems counter productive. All three people are included in the hunt against the traitor. Its not counter productive | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On January 13 2011 05:55 GGQ wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but we still don't know where the copy-cat is, do we? Jackal58 claims he picked it and didn't get it. Deconduo claims he is CPR doc. Kenpachi claims he is neither JOAT nor CC but something he hasn't revealed. Kitaman's post above implied that he took vigi as LSB's plan had set for him to take. I don't think Barundar revealed whether he took Bullet Bill or not, but he claimed to not be CC. So what does this mean? Someone is certainly lying. Why would someone lie about not having taken CC if they are town? I can only think that they must be mafia, having passed over their role to steal CC and allow a scumbuddy down the list to take their assigned role. Or possibly it's jackal58 who is the mafia, trying to get us to kill our top 4 roles. Either way, someone among our top 5 in the draft order is a liar. If I were Mafia it would have been in my best interest to claim the CC and not create any turmoil whether I received that role or not. I am vanilla townie. That fact gives us a 25% chance of lynching a red. I still think Kenpachi is the red. He lied for no apparent reason. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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Kenpachi
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Kenpachi
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On January 13 2011 07:20 Kenpachi wrote: what did i lie about? ???????? ???????????????????????? ??????????????????????? ?????????????????????? -__- My bad, I feel like an ass now. I thought I read that you claimed JOAT and then stated you didn't. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On January 13 2011 06:22 Jackal58 wrote: If I were Mafia it would have been in my best interest to claim the CC and not create any turmoil whether I received that role or not. I am vanilla townie. That fact gives us a 25% chance of lynching a red. I still think Kenpachi is the red. He lied for no apparent reason. Or you could be a traitor which gives you an excuse for not having a role and causes one of the top four to take a hit. No one has really mentioned who the role blocker should target. Jackal might be a decent choice if you don't have a candidate who you think is scummier. It wouldn't interfere with any pro-town roles if he is vanilla and it allows us to confirm the identity of the role blocker. (Amber?) | ||
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Kenpachi
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On January 13 2011 08:34 kitaman27 wrote: Or you could be a traitor which gives you an excuse for not having a role and causes one of the top four to take a hit. No one has really mentioned who the role blocker should target. Jackal might be a decent choice if you don't have a candidate who you think is scummier. It wouldn't interfere with any pro-town roles if he is vanilla and it allows us to confirm the identity of the role blocker. (Amber?) I could be. But I'm not. I suspect I'll be dead in a few more hours any ways.If I am remember the 4 that picked before me. One is a liar. | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
- deconduo (red) picks CC - Scum buddy further down the draft (as an example, say jackal) picks up CPR doc. - CPR doc is free to hit kenpachi, or jackal, or fishball, whichever mafia finds most beneficial - town believes they have a role confirmed, mafia just picked up another power role. The only benefit we can rely on from 'knowing' deconduo is CPR doc is that we control his KP. I'm sorry I wasn't here to bring this up earlier, but we should not have allowed Deconduo to pick for himself between three people. In future nights, I certainly hope that we make it explicit who we want targeted. On January 13 2011 05:20 deconduo wrote: Grand so, I'll zap one of Kenpachi, Jackal58, Fishball. I'm not going to announce which one however, just to stop mafia screwing me over. I was thinking that if I announce straight out which one I'm going to zap, mafia or SK could target them too so they wouldn't die. This would pretty much fuck me over tomorrow obviously. So is everyone ok with this? Actually, if mafia/SK uses their KP to screw you over, we'll have a very low KP evening which I don't have a problem with. And unless mafia has a bunch of one-time KP roles at their disposal (JOAT is the only one I can think of atm), they won't be able to frame you well because the KP count will be so low. Additionally, if they used this tactic to save on of their own, you would only be as suspicious as the person you targeted. Deconduo: just as one small thing you can do, please announce your target preferably after night actions are due and before the day post is up, if at all possible. If you think this is a bad idea, give me a chance to persuade you please. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On January 13 2011 09:47 aidnai wrote: Hmm... actually, having deconduo hit 'someone' doesn't prove anything, as there could easily be a situation such as - deconduo (red) picks CC - Scum buddy further down the draft (as an example, say jackal) picks up CPR doc. - CPR doc is free to hit kenpachi, or jackal, or fishball, whichever mafia finds most beneficial - town believes they have a role confirmed, mafia just picked up another power role. The only benefit we can rely on from 'knowing' deconduo is CPR doc is that we control his KP. I'm sorry I wasn't here to bring this up earlier, but we should not have allowed Deconduo to pick for himself between three people. In future nights, I certainly hope that we make it explicit who we want targeted. Actually, if mafia/SK uses their KP to screw you over, we'll have a very low KP evening which I don't have a problem with. And unless mafia has a bunch of one-time KP roles at their disposal (JOAT is the only one I can think of atm), they won't be able to frame you well because the KP count will be so low. Additionally, if they used this tactic to save on of their own, you would only be as suspicious as the person you targeted. Deconduo: just as one small thing you can do, please announce your target preferably after night actions are due and before the day post is up, if at all possible. If you think this is a bad idea, give me a chance to persuade you please. Obviously they would be sacrificing deconduo eventually, but they would have +1kp that we wouldn't know where to start looking. Same goes with Vig. It's a easy flaw in LSB's list. I would advise you to take a look at pyp2 and look for radfield's plan. It tries to check these roles by pick checking by percentage chance. It worked decently, but there were still so many flaws in the plan. You can't really guarantee any town plan will deny strong roles from mafia or keep them in check, but we can rely on a massive number of protown power roles to investigate scenarios such as this. While LSB's list may seem too simplistic, it's just a reliance on sheer number of roles given to town. To really check him, we need a blue to claim, but for right now we have to be content with him following the plan. Also if you have better ideas on who we should kill, you should make your case regardless of whether or not he will be here to see it. If non-town KP is used to stop deconduo's hit, then that is amazing for us. His target will be notified and decond will know, giving us info... and one less dead townie yay! | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
On January 12 2011 15:51 aidnai wrote: Well, it's not totally applicable. RoL is dead, and kenpachi isn't the JOAT. That means deconduo's hit is freed up, but we lost our check on kenpachi and amber. As it stands, I'm gonna advocate deconduo hits amber, but I don't know what to do about kenpachi. Additionally, i've seen no evidence of a tracker, which means we won't have any info on fishball either, and there was never any plan to check cubedin. That leaves 4 unknown roles out of 8, which seems like a lot of wiggle room. We really need kenpachi to tell us what he is and how he can prove it. I am thinking of a way for cubed to prove he is a doctor -- asking Ace right now if it's viable/legal. Which leaves jackal and fishball... Any more ideas? tracker care to claim? that would be a big help... based on my analysis of amber here On January 12 2011 09:31 aidnai wrote: We're running out of time to do this, but I would like to present a lynch target based on believing they are scum, rather than based on wanting information. My proposed lynch is Amber[light]. Here is my case. The original post from Amber that caught my attention: This struck me as a possible scum post because of the tone and nature of the advice. Others may agree/disagree, and I can't explain it fully, so I'll just let you look and decide yourself. However, the other two posts below are much better evidence. In this post, Amber is spouting a mix of nonsense and obvious truth. The nonsense: -Don't forget that it would be in the best interest of the mafia to follow the plan. This ensures that they receive a role. Actually, if town follows the plan, then mafia are free to cherry pick any roles that are further down the list than their own and still be assured of a role. -The draft process was too transparent, so infiltration by the mafia is highly likely. Transparent? Infiltration? wtf are you talking about, people picked numbers and pmed them to Ace. Obvious: - but to be honest that's good player strategy to achieve a unique combination that throws them up to the top. Duh. - People who have double are _less_ likely to be mafia, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't put down the same numbers to alleviate some suspicion. Duh, and this doesn't actually say anything one way or another. I honestly don't see any reason for posting something like this other than 1) avoiding modkill AND 2) wanting to not look scummy Mostly another potent mix of nonsense and obvious stuff, so I bolded everything else in this post. How did Amber already seem to pick out that kenpachi is probably CC? Seems pretty smart, especially compared to the rest of the post (suggesting CPR doc to kill people instead of save, you seriously think we needed you to tell us?) Also highly troubling here is the fact that in the prior post, Amber says mafia should follow the plan for their own good, but in this post he says kenpachi and barundar are the obvious lynch targets because they can't prove they followed the plan! If you don't believe your current lynch target is scum, don't lynch them and consider amber please. ##Vote Amber[light] I also had another post requesting discussion of amber directly after RoL flipped. None of this pressure from me has picked up steam, and I understand that is likely because a) I myself was a major lynch target earlier yesterday, b) my timing with the analysis was poor (in my defense, I have never played a majority lynch game and didn't understand the consequences of splitting votes towards the end of the day), and c) fishball posted something that completely took the wind out of my sails, and he continued to write me off in his 'impressions of players' post. All of this made me hesitant to bring up amber yet again, although I'm really itching to hear some thoughts from other players (Bum, fishball, LSB especially) at the very least. As for deconduo's proposed targets, I would be very surprised if Jackal58 was lying (i.e. he's green), Fishball is a hard read but he's active, not behaving insane, and one of our more experienced players. If he's really town, mafia will be targeting him soon anyway, and I think killing him is a bad idea. Kenpachi I'm ambivalent, I wouldn't be surprised if he is scum or if he is town. So of the three, I'd say kenpachi, but ideally, amber.... This is mostly just posted as my thoughts, prolly too late to act now. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
the night kills are: GGQ Barundar Divinek HaploPaithan Jackal58 I have ten minutes to pick a save. Kita (and anyone else who asked): I didn't confirm or deny earlier that I would use my role tonight because while it may have made you more comfortable, there was no real reason to tell the town and hiding intentions or plans from the mafia is a good thing. | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
I don't know which of these is scum KP, SK KP, and town KP. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
Looks like a role snipe/guaranteed hits. Barundar likely has the best role Divinek is probably the most experienced player from the list. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
Jackal58 I think is town, but also should be deconduo's hit which I don't want to mess up (just make us both look like scum) HaploPaithan is a decent save imo (active, level headed) Barundar is a decent save imo (high in draft, probably good role) GGQ is a lurker, don't feel like saving him. Between haplo and barundar, barundar is pretty quiet, he hasn't claimed, and is in the top 4 which is likely where our CC or traitor are. This is rushed, sorry if I'm missing something important, but I choose haplo. Letting ace know now. Sorry to any townies I couldn't save  | ||
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