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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
April 06 2014 00:11 GMT
#4261
On April 06 2014 06:55 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 17:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
where's the next large normal game

Around when Catastrophe ends probably. Lots of people playing in multiple games at the moment.
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 04:01 Xatalos wrote:
I've got a setup idea that could be either normal or themed (I'm not 100% sure which one). Without revealing too much, since it's a closed setup, here's the basic idea:

- 11 players
- No flips, no notifications, no non-standard roles

Otherwise it's normal, but the fact that there are no role reveals on death makes it kind of non-normal.

What do you people think? How should it be classified?

We'll just call it normal for now unless others think it should be themed.


That is not a normal game. No flips? no notifications?

Themed. 10000%
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 06 2014 01:05 GMT
#4262
I was thinking about that, yeah. It's not really "normal". The only real difference from normal is the no flips part though... Dunno.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
April 06 2014 03:31 GMT
#4263
On April 06 2014 10:05 Xatalos wrote:
I was thinking about that, yeah. It's not really "normal". The only real difference from normal is the no flips part though... Dunno.

That is a very big difference. Imagine you want to join a normal game you see your game with a normal tag and then there are no flips.

It just isn't a normal setup.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-06 04:42:15
April 06 2014 04:41 GMT
#4264
For me, whether a game is normal or not just comes down to how much consideration needs to be given to game mechanics and roles. Personally, I don't see a problem with a no-flip game being run in the normal category. I do think that it would be better to not run it as a closed setup, though.

If you know how many numbers of each alignment there are and if you know what kind of roles will be in the game (most importantly sources of kp), you already have a lot of information on the alignment of dead players. Also, in-person games are usually no-flip and I've never felt that it detracts from behavioral analysis.

It's very hard to tell though what you consider to be a "normal role" without it being specified. Roles like coroner/janitor/reviver are quite common in no-flip games but tend to drastically change the way that the game is played.

On a somewhat related note, that "cell mini mafia" game seems pretty clearly themed to me. That game has unusual lynch mechanics, a role that can massively change the game (the mayor), no kills for mafia, and no flips for "removed players". Almost every aspect is different from what's usually run as a normal game and a considerable amount of attention is given to the game mechanics.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 06 2014 09:25 GMT
#4265
Maybe we should do a vote then (I'll abstain from voting)

Poll: Normal or themed? (only standard roles, no flips, no notifications)

Themed (8)
 
62%

Normal (5)
 
38%

13 total votes

Your vote: Normal or themed? (only standard roles, no flips, no notifications)

(Vote): Normal
(Vote): Themed

"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 06 2014 09:25 GMT
#4266
Oh, and it's a closed setup, so you don't know the exact roles etc.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 06 2014 09:27 GMT
#4267
i voted normal. if it's not normal then it should be.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 06 2014 09:28 GMT
#4268
On April 06 2014 18:25 Xatalos wrote:
Oh, and it's a closed setup, so you don't know the exact roles etc.


in that case i would like to reset my opinion back to null
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 06 2014 09:51 GMT
#4269
On April 06 2014 18:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2014 18:25 Xatalos wrote:
Oh, and it's a closed setup, so you don't know the exact roles etc.


in that case i would like to reset my opinion back to null


Would scum intentionally bring up a point that would make you discard your townread?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 06 2014 10:03 GMT
#4270
Whatever, it doesn't really matter too much to me if it's normal or themed... Maybe themed would be best if it's not 100% normal. On the other hand, like HiroPro said, Cell Mini Mafia is a lot "less normal" and still considered normal. Where do you draw the line?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
April 06 2014 11:08 GMT
#4271
On April 06 2014 19:03 Xatalos wrote:
Whatever, it doesn't really matter too much to me if it's normal or themed... Maybe themed would be best if it's not 100% normal. On the other hand, like HiroPro said, Cell Mini Mafia is a lot "less normal" and still considered normal. Where do you draw the line?


Cell mini was not a normal game either.

A normal game has normal roles and standard mechanics with zero twists. That is it. If there is a twist it is not a normal game.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 06 2014 11:48 GMT
#4272
On April 06 2014 20:08 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2014 19:03 Xatalos wrote:
Whatever, it doesn't really matter too much to me if it's normal or themed... Maybe themed would be best if it's not 100% normal. On the other hand, like HiroPro said, Cell Mini Mafia is a lot "less normal" and still considered normal. Where do you draw the line?


Cell mini was not a normal game either.

A normal game has normal roles and standard mechanics with zero twists. That is it. If there is a twist it is not a normal game.


[M][N] Cell Mini Mafia? :O

I somewhat agree though...

Foolishness, could you rename it to "Mystery Mini Mafia" and reclassify it as themed?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 06 2014 11:48 GMT
#4273
(Also, looking for co-hosts in advance!)
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
April 06 2014 14:13 GMT
#4274
I can co-host.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 06 2014 15:31 GMT
#4275
Ok, nice
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16343 Posts
April 06 2014 16:11 GMT
#4276
On April 06 2014 20:08 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2014 19:03 Xatalos wrote:
Whatever, it doesn't really matter too much to me if it's normal or themed... Maybe themed would be best if it's not 100% normal. On the other hand, like HiroPro said, Cell Mini Mafia is a lot "less normal" and still considered normal. Where do you draw the line?


Cell mini was not a normal game either.

A normal game has normal roles and standard mechanics with zero twists. That is it. If there is a twist it is not a normal game.

I agree 100%.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
April 06 2014 19:29 GMT
#4277
Agreed with DP
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Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
April 06 2014 20:04 GMT
#4278
On April 06 2014 20:48 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2014 20:08 DarthPunk wrote:
On April 06 2014 19:03 Xatalos wrote:
Whatever, it doesn't really matter too much to me if it's normal or themed... Maybe themed would be best if it's not 100% normal. On the other hand, like HiroPro said, Cell Mini Mafia is a lot "less normal" and still considered normal. Where do you draw the line?


Cell mini was not a normal game either.

A normal game has normal roles and standard mechanics with zero twists. That is it. If there is a twist it is not a normal game.


[M][N] Cell Mini Mafia? :O

I somewhat agree though...

Foolishness, could you rename it to "Mystery Mini Mafia" and reclassify it as themed?

It is done.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
April 06 2014 20:10 GMT
#4279
let's not have this argument again ^^
Computer says mafia
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 06 2014 20:38 GMT
#4280
On April 07 2014 05:04 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2014 20:48 Xatalos wrote:
On April 06 2014 20:08 DarthPunk wrote:
On April 06 2014 19:03 Xatalos wrote:
Whatever, it doesn't really matter too much to me if it's normal or themed... Maybe themed would be best if it's not 100% normal. On the other hand, like HiroPro said, Cell Mini Mafia is a lot "less normal" and still considered normal. Where do you draw the line?


Cell mini was not a normal game either.

A normal game has normal roles and standard mechanics with zero twists. That is it. If there is a twist it is not a normal game.


[M][N] Cell Mini Mafia? :O

I somewhat agree though...

Foolishness, could you rename it to "Mystery Mini Mafia" and reclassify it as themed?

It is done.


Thanks. Also DP signed up to co-host.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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