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On November 22 2010 12:33 Glasse wrote: with tl your birthdays are longer! yay! On TL, Birthday has you! | ||
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On November 27 2010 01:20 Ace wrote: god damn I shoulda read the OP. Why are PMs allowed in a learning game? v_v =O You are violating our People Who Read the Rules alliance?! | ||
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I would say there is 1 elder and 5 witches, so a total of 6 scum. If town does well it shouldn't be too hard to eliminate at least 1 KP within a few days. This game is a boot camp, right? | ||
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On November 27 2010 14:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I was sent this earlier by protactinium There isn't a traitor in this game for one. Is he trying to catch me off guard and make me say something like "oh no i'm not the traitor I'm the X"? I'm assuming we is him and Flamewheel. This PM caught me off guard a bit since I was never accused of making things up and I'd like to know what exactly he thinks I'm lying about. I'm going to put the pressure on him in the open to give us something to discuss at least. I got the exact same PM from him. Being the day after Thanksgiving, I sure have been caught up in festivities. It seemed odd to get this PM though. I have posted 2 (maybe 3?) times in the thread because of the holiday, so there was really nothing for them to analyze. I didn't make the connection that "we" could be protact and flamewheel. This seems like a really lame fishing attempt. | ||
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On November 28 2010 10:17 Aeres wrote: Actually, now that Kenpachi reposted it, I'm getting brain tumors over how badly Pandain butchered the word "suspiciously". >_< I'm gonna bleed out my eyes. But yeah, it's certainly odd that you're so concerned about an analysis that might lead to incriminating you as scum. Perhaps you have something to hide? And not even a great analysis at that... Annul, I understand you get defensive about attacks, but this wasn't really an attack, it's scum hunting. And I daresay, Pandain may have found one in you. You are a good mafia player, but I think you got way too defensive way too quickly with this. Night post isn't out yet and you are freaking. I'mma keep my eye on you (I always do since you raped us in haunted). | ||
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On November 28 2010 10:20 aidnai wrote: Noted: Annul has claimed blue. Interesting. No he hasn't? | ||
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On November 28 2010 21:48 Scaramanga wrote: ebwop and how am i whiny? by pointing out the problem with drh's list? Evidence CAN help town, absolutely. However, it is not good to just let mafia know exactly what you are thinking, especially since it is night phase, the mafia are doing their business right now. Dr.H said that he could give more information when day breaks. You absolutely are whining. Dr.H has responded to your posts and given you his logical reasoning for withholding information for now. As you said yourself, you are not an experienced mafia player, but take note that mafia shouldn't know what town is thinking at all times, they can use it for their own good, especially during the night. Town needs to learn everything eventually, but mafia shouldn't gain more info at night. | ||
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On November 29 2010 01:51 Scaramanga wrote: Well my aim was to ruin the game for others, even up the ledger, so i guess my goal was met Lol get out of here. See you never. Absolutely no reason for this. | ||
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On November 29 2010 11:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote: A town circle is growing. I'm not sure exactly what is safe to say in public yet. Any info/pm's you have from Ghrur could you please post them in the town and/or PM them to me? I'm more interested in wondering why these people who are claiming to you feel they can trust you... | ||
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On November 29 2010 12:10 SouthRawrea wrote: Alright I'm not entire sure of the legitimacy of DrH's town circle but I've had a DT come to me with my correct role so I will act as his mouthpiece for the remainder of this game. Basically in PM land at this point we've been looking for a secure way of connecting with DrH's circle without putting risk to both groups. Well that is some progress at least. However, I won't completely trust this after annul raping us in Haunted... | ||
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On November 29 2010 12:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i'm starting to know you? uh what does that mean exactly It means we're spending WAY too much time with him >.< | ||
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I am still suspicious of protactinum for his awful fishing attempts in PM, but I will leave my stronger judgement of him til later on. | ||
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My suspicions of protact have not faded at all, I want to keep a close eye on him. If kenpachi pops town (and if he does I doubt he will be blue), where will we go from there? Who will it mid incriminate? | ||
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But I honestly don't know who I would rather vote for right now. I don't like how Amber keeps abstaining, I do believe that the town should want to use their lynch as much as they can. Vote going to him for now. | ||
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On December 01 2010 00:52 Amber[LighT] wrote: You are aware that I'm more-or-less confirmed as town aligned, right? I don't think voting for me is going to work. I don't think anyone in their right mind should vote for me more than considering abstaining. You want me (and everybody) to use my power to lynch as much as I can, but you're throwing away your vote by even hinting at voting for me. Do you see the huge gaping hole in your logic? Why would you vote to lynch me? Because I'm abstaining? You are aware that the mafia have probably already thrown their votes in. It wouldn't surprise me if 1-2 mafia members have yet to throw out a vote, but they know what they're doing. You don't want to settle on a nice easy bandwagon, but instead want to focus on me? You want to confirm the PM I received? It's going to do nothing to benefit the town, so maybe you should focus on someone who's actually got a paper trail to follow. By lynching Kenpachi we obtain significant information about the entire day. And you don't want to settle on that? Guess we should just vote based upon post count! Kill inactives first because that method works flawlessly. Yes gunning for people who don't reveal information is the best usage case for day lynches. Don't divert the town, you're looking scummy. Yo chiiiiilllllll. I am not trying to focus on you. I am merely placing my vote on you, which, yes, is effectively abstaining at this moment. I don't honestly think my vote would start a lynch on you. But how are you confirmed town? I must have missed that O_o I will gladly take my vote off of you, I just picked someone who I found to be slightly suspicious. It is more than obvious that kenpachi is most likely going to be lynched, so I don't think you need to freak out that much. | ||
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On December 01 2010 01:36 Coagulation wrote: lol Jcarl "i dont like how amber keeps abstaining" - as he is "effectively abstaining" his vote. Haha shhhhh. Idk what to do, I'm playing way too many games at once O_o | ||
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On December 01 2010 02:36 annul wrote: btw, it goes against my mafia DNA to "give up" - i am only explaining why i am not so active in this one right now when it gets deeper in the game if i am still here i will do my part, for sure. Well why don't you do your job now! =P Come onnnnnn, help us scumhunt! Don't just leave the town out to dry. While you are gone, you would effectively be lynched, and thus useless to us. | ||
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On December 01 2010 10:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: lynching for info is a retarded policy that only mafia ever attempt to implement. in fact i feel it's one of the strongest scumtells since I do it almost every time I'm mafia (until BC told me it makes me too obvious hehe) and that's not true. a lot of people have been discussing DTA and people who defended him seriously are going to get a serious reevaluation from me. I believe that lynching SOLELY for information is a stupid policy, but it should definitely be factored into the lynch decision. | ||
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On December 01 2010 10:48 Eiii wrote: Why are we assuming that if there's another medic ken can't be medic? It might be a reasonable assumption but it's not something to bet a blue on. Honestly, I don't like how this is playing out. Ken has a clear lead, there's a last-second push to a townie thanks to ken's medic claim and some help from a few others, and now you're advocating that DTs shouldn't check him, because you say that another medic claiming to you proves ken isn't what he say he is. It's tough to know anything for sure in this game, but if a DT checks ken and he turns up red I'm sure something'll happen. Well, there could be another medic, but I don't think there would be THAT many medics. A lot of people have claimed to Dr.H, so he knows a lot of roles. He knows how many medics have claimed to him and so forth. The one thing I'm worried about is how Dr.H can know to trust the claims he's gotten, especially if he has formed a town circle with some of them. An infiltrated town circle would suck. | ||
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On December 01 2010 11:23 Glasse wrote: oh god i missed quite a lot, i am also very sad you guys switched to darth oh well, i went 6-0 in my badminton tournament if anybody cares, brb gonna read more carefully | ||
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On December 01 2010 11:32 Eiii wrote: I might be behind on this or just clueless in general, but I'm more concerned with how DrH can be trusted. I know setting up a circle and doing what he does isn't scummy at all, but if he's the elder (and if he's mafia, he's the elder for sure) then he's put himself in a fantastic position to really fuck town up. Well, the only reason I feel like I can trust him at this point is that the only blue that died on Night 1 was deconduo, and he blew up a mafia in the process. The other two KP were wasted on townies. What I AM afraid of, however, is that Dr.H knows this, and is biding his time to screw everyone over when more people claim to him. I feel that Doc may be town though. A mass claim probably wouldn't be that bad of an idea. Since I trust Doc at this point, he could catch any false claims. Anyone who would then refuse to claim would be heavily scrutinized. This would only work if Dr.H is confident that he can weed out the fakes from the reals. I support the idea of a mass claim. | ||
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On December 01 2010 11:56 Eiii wrote: I really like the idea of a mass claim-- but I think it should wait until we have someone who's 99% sure to be town. DrH has only his actions going for him, but he knows that as well as we do. Mass claiming to a mafia would, as far as I can tell, lose the game for us immediately. Well, seeing as almost half the players have already claimed to him, if he's mafia I'd say we're pretty far down the shitter already. That's a lot of information for one man to hold without being kept in check. If everyone knows everyone else's roles (or presumed roles) then if Doc is mafia and slips up, he can be caught. | ||
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On December 01 2010 12:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote: btw southrawrea has already been confirmed by a dt, you can roleclaim to him i've been sharing literally everything with southrawrea and the dt. there is no information i have that they don't. If this can be confirmed by South, that would be lovely. So at least you are being kept in check by them. How do you feel about a mass claim Doc? | ||
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On December 01 2010 12:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: what happened to the modkilled players? aren't there like 100 fucking people who got modkilled? replacements better be active. inactivity, if anything, will screw this town. also would anyone be opposed to me telling you all WHO roleclaimed ot me but not what role they gave me? Well, I'll come out and say that I claimed to you. | ||
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On December 01 2010 12:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm for it. I'm town aligned, it'll do no harm to tell me what you are. I already know who so many people are that the smallest slip-up would be the end for any faking mafia. This means every mafia will probably fake vet or townie, but even that is poisonous for them. The problem is it has to be to me or SouthRawrea and putting all your eggs in one basket is a very risky play. If someone else who wasn't me was in this position I'd be reluctant unless I was as convinced they were town as I am for, say, Amber[Light] Oh, you want a mass claim to just you? I was thinking a mass claim in thread... | ||
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On December 01 2010 22:07 SouthRawrea wrote: I don't quite understand what needs to be confirmed but yeah I was dt checked N1 and DocH has been sharing his info with me. (Be back in about 8 hours TT.TT) I just wanted the fact that he's sharing all his info with you to be confirmed. As much as I trust doc at this point, a little reassurance is nice. | ||
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But I'm with Coag, I don't really see how that confirms you. | ||
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On December 02 2010 01:00 Coagulation wrote: amber is pretty legit. not 100% confirmed but close enough. This. The only thing that I don't like is amber being like "cuz, ya know, I'm confirmed townie and all" in every single post. It's as if he's REALLY trying to ingrain it in our brains. Also, you should have linked the post that showed you were townie, amber, not a post that really proved nothing. But I will trust you for now. | ||
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On December 03 2010 00:18 CubEdIn wrote: And focus on who? Switch to Dr.H? He currently holds a lot of information on this game. I didn't ask people to claim to him, but they did. Now, we go with the flow. We need to put a little faith into Dr.H, or admit he is Mafia and that he knows most of the blue roles, which means that even if we get him, the town is screwed. Now, also consider the fact that we need someone who will gather up more votes then whoever wants to lynch Dr.H. I doubt this will happen in time. Give the town a better target. Not you in particular, but anyone! Yeah, we just have to accept that if Doc is mafia, the game has already been lost for town. Which is why I'm putting my faith in him. Who would you suggest as a better target than Rad youngminii? Aside from Doc, of course. He will be very useful to town because he holds all the information. Hopefully, if there is a leak in the circle, he will find it. | ||
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On December 04 2010 10:54 Pandain wrote: Rule number one: Don't roleclaim to random people LOL Thank god. With that "good luck town" I was afraid he was actually town. Praise jebus! Haha yes, the amount of Day 1 claiming was astounding. | ||
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On December 06 2010 10:33 kitaman27 wrote: Can I request that the mad hatter either pm me or someone they trust to reveal who they have bombs on right now? Since Kav chose me to take on his tasks after Doc handed them to him, the MH has asked me to communicate for him. Why should he trust you enough to tell you kita? | ||
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Basically, I feel like our percentages are the same. Either we lynch a non-MH player, or we lynch the MH. If we lynch town, we lose, if the MH has a bomb on town, we lose. However, if we just do a lynch, I'm not sure we will be able to get 4 consecutive scum lynches, that's a lot without mistakes. If the MH has the bombs on two scum, then boom, we only have 2 scum left, and that will be a lot easier. I am actually leaning towards lynching the hatter being the better choice. | ||
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On December 06 2010 13:32 SouthRawrea wrote: So should we choose to lynch the hatter, we should not reveal who the bombs are on but stick with the decision just so we don't get the mafia turning on us. Keep in mind that the bombs were placed in accordance with who we thought was scummy. I'm almost positive now that one of the targets is mafia. So IMHO, there's 1 near-certain scum + one player we thought was scummy and then 2 lynches vs lynching 1 scum + 3 guesses. The difference is that we save a night at the cost of the MH's life. Unless there's something I'm not factoring in here, this seems to be our best option. I'd like the majority of people to comment on this before we go through with it. I agree. I think that lynching the MH will put the town in a better position should it be successful and hit two scum. If town dies, either by lynch or bomb, then we are screwed either way, and if we manage to lynch scum, we still have a lot of work to do. | ||
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On December 06 2010 13:54 Nemesis wrote: Hmm town's chances are rather looking grim. I am rather leaning towards lynching MH right now because town's chances of lynching right 4 times is rather low especially factoring in that townies might be easily manipulated by witches. It depends on how much confidence MH has on his targets. Does MH still have two bombs right now, and if so, how confident is he? Because if he only has 1 bomb, I think our chances are pretty much the same eitherway, and would rather scumhunt. He has confirmed that he does have 2 bombs left. One is on a target we are pretty certain is scum, the other is on a target that we aren't so sure about. | ||
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On December 06 2010 21:47 CubEdIn wrote: Just going on a side-note here, since we're considering taking down MH, why not take down someone who we're pretty certain is mafia, and take the chance of mafia hitting MH on the following night. I know it's a long shot, but if you are not certain of both of MHs bombs, it's pretty much the same thing. And eventually we'll have to take a stab in the dark anyway. Also, one more thing, if we ARE lynching MH, we have to be very accurate about it. We can't have the lynch derail at the last moment and give away info on who the MH is to the mafia. I know this sounds stupid, but I seen it happen with Pandain in Insane. What was supposed to be a very clear lynch got derailed easily because people were not paying enough attention. So. I'm gonna ask mr. jcarlsoniv: You said you spoke to MH and you're both toying with the idea. Do you happen to have a 3rd target? Someone we can be at least 50,01% sure is mafia tonight? After that's been answered, I propose we vote if we lynch the MH or not. Well, we have a bomb on one target who we are pretty certain is scum. If we were to lynch him, then we would lose one bomb, and cut the MH's effectiveness in half, something we can't afford to do. So we would have to find another player who we think is scum, and even then, if we lynch a townie, it is loss. We are trying to think of a third target, because if we can take a safer route, that would be nice. However, the safer, best case scenario would be this: Find a third target who is mafia, lynch him, hope the MH gets hit tonight and blows up at least one scum, obviously preferably two. Lynching the MH is indeed a huge gamble, but that might be what the town needs at this point. High risk, but high reward. If things don't go perfectly with lynches, we lose. If we get lucky with bombs we will be in much better shape for the coming days. So that's the real question, does the town want to take a big gamble to maybe swing the tide of the game back into its favor? Side note: What happened in insane was ridiculous. I was dead at that point, and Ace was wreaking all sorts of havoc, and there were a lot more players. I will keep the thread on track as best I can so we can actually follow through with a plan. Going to class, be back in a few hours. | ||
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This is an all or nothing situation, we need to figure it out. | ||
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On December 07 2010 10:50 KtheZ wrote: This is true. We should debate on who to lynch first. Is it bad for the hatter to reveal who he has his bombs on? So we don't accidentally lynch that person. The hatter can 100% leave the bomb on the scum-like person, and we can debate whether the 2nd person is scum or not, and the results (if we dont insta-lose) would in turn help us find the other mafia. Of course, this is just my thoughts. Well who does the town think that the scummiest person is at this point? Imo, it's Radfield. Ok great. However, that is where one of the bombs is, so if we were to lynch him, then the MH will be cut in half. So who would you suggest to kill otherwise? | ||
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On December 07 2010 11:56 SouthRawrea wrote: Or maybe I'm confused now. D: Or we try to find a third person to lynch. | ||
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On December 07 2010 12:40 KtheZ wrote: Or we could purposely lynch one of his bombs out of the game. Why would we ever do that? | ||
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On December 07 2010 13:45 Eiii wrote: I wasn't, the hatter plan is terrible. I don't feel like we have strong enough leads on two mafia to bet the whole game on not hitting any town with the bombs. If the hatter has any bombs on people he's not 100% sure are mafia, he should recall them asap. So, we don't have any good leads on mafia, but we should bet on the town being able to lynch right 4 times in a row? | ||
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On December 07 2010 14:07 KtheZ wrote: I'm saying that IF and only IF we get to the point with like 1 or 2 mafia left, and an also dwindled number of townies, that the hatter's bombs may do more harm than good. Ummmm town's numbers are pretty dwindled. We're at a mylo situation right now. | ||
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On December 07 2010 14:56 Nemesis wrote: MH is a townie KP, why would we want to get rid of his bombs? It's the same situation eitherway. If a SINGLE lynch isn't mafia town LOSES INSTANTLY. If we go for the lynch option and manages to lynch a mafia today, all it would take is for mafia to convince 1 person to vote with them and town loses. But if we kill the MH, mafia have no chance at all of trying to convince people who town should kill. This. Nemesis said it pretty much as well as I could have. Lynching the MH will put us in a better position in the coming days if he was right about his targets. If one bomb is wrong, yes, that would suck. However, I feel that I would rather make the gamble that the 2 bombs kill mafia, so we only need 2 consecutive lynches as opposed to 4. | ||
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I have started to become more confident that my bombs are in the right place. I'm still not completely sure, and I apologize if shit doesn't go well, but I feel that a risk must be taken. High risk, high reward. Let Operation 72 Virgins (not 99 =P) commence. | ||
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On December 08 2010 03:27 CubEdIn wrote: What if someone else claims and you two are mafia? Just asking, that would be funny. Why would I tell people to lynch me if I'm mafia? lol | ||
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On December 08 2010 03:34 CubEdIn wrote: First of all, I'm just going into deep WIFOM here, but since you're playing along with the discussion, let's digress! Many reasons! a) Find out who the real MH is (look for the guy with a surprised look on his face that seems to be going "heeeeeeey....") b) Cause a huge shit storm, in case there are 2 MHs claiming. The Mafia will be united, but the town won't. They will no longer know who to trust and votes will be split at least 2-ways (tho, one of them will be the real MHer so no harm there I guess). c) Draw attention to some players while hiding others. A lot can happen if that amount of chaos is ensued. I'm not saying it's a wise move for mafia, It's not. But it would be hella-funny, and not as unreasonable as it sounds. The only real argument against it is that town doesn't have any real leads anyway, so there's no need to push a snowball down the hill. Hah, well, considering the stuff KJ pulled in Doc's Experimental Mafia yesterday, that doesn't sound THAT far-fetched =P But I assure you, I am the real MH. | ||
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On December 08 2010 04:17 Radfield wrote: This is a bad plan people, and not just because I know for a fact that it will lose us the game. Now, obviously me yelling I'm green will not sway anyone, so lets set that aside. If we're assuming here that the two bomb victims are mafia, which we are, then this is STILL the wrong way to go about this. Why not lynch them one after another, today and tomorrow. By voting for the MH today, we lose a day of voting, which at this point is what is going to pin down mafia. Yes 4 lynches in a row is a tall order, but each successful lynch makes it more likely to pin mafia the next night. Why? Because of voting tendancies. Each day gives us another round of votes to look at, and also wipes more townies out of the way, making it easier to hit mafia. The longer this game goes, the more likely we are to win(obviously). Why are we trying to shorten it? If you guys truly believe that me and Eiii the most likely mafia, then lynching one today and one tomorrow is the smarter play(in principal). It keeps a confirmed townie alive(Jcarl) and gives us more votes to analyse as well - Who's defending who? Who's sure player x is mafia? Etc. Why are we trying to stifle discussion by giving the mafia an easy win with the MH? Kitaman you keep talking how because Jcarl is outted now, that puts us at the point of no return, but I don't see how this is true. It gives us a player to rally around, who won't die, who we KNOW is town aligned(no counter-claim). Why is this a bad thing?? Was this a soft claim that you and Eiii are scum and that we should lynch you today and tomorrow? Interesting... Also, now that I'm outed there is no chance for me to get hit by the mafia tonight, so my role is null unless we use it. | ||
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On December 08 2010 04:39 Radfield wrote: Are you joking? I assume you're referring to this sentence: + Show Spoiler + If you guys truly believe that me and Eiii the most likely mafia, then lynching one today and one tomorrow is the smarter play(in principal). Obviously lynching me today is just as much an auto-loss as lynching you(the MH). I'm trying to show that this is a bad idea in principle, and that this is not the optimum strategy right now. Using your role is not a priority by any stretch. Also, there is a very good chance you will get hit by mafia tonight, since at least one of your bombs is on a townie. Also, I would like to point out that we are not trying to "stifle discussion". Kitaman and I brought up the idea at the beginning of the day, almost 48 hours ago. Very little discussion occurred. We are now on the final leg of the day and a decision needs to be made, so I made one. It's not like at the beginning of the day we were like "SHHHHH THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO AND TO ALL THOSE WHO OPPOSE WE CAN'T HEAR YOU". No. | ||
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If you guys truly believe that me and Eiii the most likely mafia, then lynching one today and one tomorrow is the smarter play(in principal). It keeps a confirmed townie alive(Jcarl) and gives us more votes to analyse as well - Who's defending who? Who's sure player x is mafia? Etc. Why are we trying to stifle discussion by giving the mafia an easy win with the MH? Sure sounded like that's what you were insinuating. I am going to stick by my guns (or bombs, I guess). If I learned anything from Experimental mafia yesterday, it's to not doubt myself, no matter how doubtful I am. I am about to go to practice, and I am not sure exactly what time day ends, so I don't know if I will be back before then. The decision is now in the hands on the town. Stay focused, don't let scum cloud your vision. Do you guys want to go for the Hail Mary pass? Or trust Radfield and the ability of the town to get 4 lynches in a row. I apologize beforehand if my plan does not work out. I believe we will blow up some mafia if you follow me though. Best of luck town. | ||
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On December 08 2010 08:46 Eiii wrote: alright this isn't really going in a positive direction here and it's probably too late to do anything about it. Kitaman PM'd me earlier and basically asked if I'd be able to vote later today. I said yeah, I would, and he replied that the town was going to go along with the hatter plan. I checked the voting thread, and there were lots of votes for hatter there, so I threw mine in as well. At the time I didn't know for sure where the bombs were placed. I'm not in the town circle, and I wasn't about to second guess their decision. I feel like we're in an unwinnable situation, and that this is the wrong move to make but I'm not about to potentially let mafia win the game any earlier than they have to by splitting the town's vote. obviously I'm going to take back my vote now that I *know* that I'm a bomb target. Well I believe that is a lie. You placed your vote at 8:48. Kitaman PMd me this from you: From: Eiii Subject: Re: Salem Date: 12/8/10 04:58 :/ alright ----------------------------------------- Original Message From kitaman27: mmk thanks. It looks like we are going to vote for the MH jcarl. Note the time: 4:58. You clearly knew that the bomb was placed on you, hence the ":/" and yet you're not going to argue it. | ||
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On December 08 2010 09:09 Eiii wrote: The ":/" is because I thought the plan had almost no chance of succeeding! My intention with that line was more along the lines of "mark my words..." than a definite statement, and it was dumb to say looking back on it. I had (and have) no trust in the town's ability to identify two mafia with 100% accuracy, and I wasn't happy that that was the plan we were moving forward with-- but I was NOT going to fuck everything up by voting against the town. Problem is, now voting with the town fucks everything up so I have to take the worst of both. No confidence in town being able to identify two mafia with 100% accuracy? Well our other alternative is to lynch 4 with 100% accuracy. I don't quite see how that is any better. | ||
jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
No, I never said the second bomb was on Eiii. That was a ruse put on by kita. | ||
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